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guntther said: Noticed this because of the German setting. Early 80s cold war focus on the eastern german part is a very interesting setting. Probably better for japanese viewers, because they don't have to dig to deep into german culture. Communists tried to replace german traditions with their own. The vietnamese girl surprised me, because the "Vertragsarbeiter" contract workers from other communist states are a small part of especially east german history. The defection of the west german girl to the east is explained with the search of a person. None the less she is very idealistic. But it surprises me way more that she is accepted so fast. Don't know the Muv-Luv Setting, and I hope this isn't necessary. And if it is set in a later year, it may be a huge spoiler. But I think it's not to difficult to follow. Aliens attack Earth. First landing in Soviet Territory is mentioned. Most of the Warsaw Pact states should be overrun. There seems to be no part of the series covering the timespan before 1983? If so I would watch / read this first. Pretty much you're correct. I'll add some more details. 1. First contact of Humanity with BETA is at the moon, at the very peak of space race (explained briefly at Total Eclipse, detailed in original VN). It soon evolved into Moon War which were a lost cause, and few years later BETA landed in Soviet territory near Chinese Border iirc. 2. At first, humanity is not exactly losing since Soviets and Chinese could handle it with combined arms. However, suddenly laser class popped up and reversed the flow of battle as humanity lost air superiority. TSF (the mech) is developed as a counter, since it's very versatile at ground battle and extreme low altitude flight which is crucial to counter laser class (Laser class basically is an optical weapon, which could shot anything in the sky but can't shot anything which is low enough due to earth curvature). 3. Europe's current situation: NATO + Warsaw Pact collaborated for joint assault to BETA's hive in East Europe (Somewhere near Ukraine iirc). It failed, and the counterattack pushed humans up to Germany where East German served as the frontline. Poland eastward is basically gone, Soviets are starting to escape to Alaska, and Chinese+Korea are going to be dead soon. Right now NATO + Warsaw Pact is defending furiously at East German, collaborating temporarily. 4. While this is set similarly to our world setting, there are few differences other than the obvious alien threat. One of the main difference is that Japanese weren't nuked by the end of WW2 (thus preserving Shogunate society up till now), and both NATO + Warsaw were advancing more rapidly even before BETA come. 5. There are no series/spinoff taking place before this one. There are other spin offs/short story based in Europe later day, such as in Britain and South Italy, but they take place in 2000ish. 6. Some extra details: The fucked up German title name is acknowledged in the novel, iirc the name was given by non German in the game universe. Did not made the name to be less silly. Navy in this universe is still very crucial, since they were untouched by BETA (there's no anti naval BETA so far) and very important in blocking BETA from crossing sea/straits. Since this takes place in Germany I don't think we are going to see their roles, though. Tanks still used alongside infantry and TSF, but they proved to be not agile enough against BETA due to the presence of Destroyer Class BETA (High Speed Ramming BETA which killed the girl in this episode). Some BETA class are geared to be anti infantry, while some other are anti machinery. Some of them are capable to sense electronics. |
| more total shit, what a surprise. |
InsertanamehereJan 12, 2016 7:18 AM
| expect every episode someone will die, "Muv Luv Alternate" logic |
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| pretty disappointed but will continue watching a bit to give it a chance. 15 year olds operating high performance military hardware is a bit hard to look past. |
Grunkalunka said: pretty disappointed but will continue watching a bit to give it a chance. 15 year olds operating high performance military hardware is a bit hard to look past. They have no alternative to that.Humans are going extinct faster than they grow up. Pilots and overall soldiers have extremely low life expectancy. To add to that, not every person is compatible with being a pilot. Thus using child soldiers, especially in terms of piloting, etc is common in this setting. |
AhenshihaelJan 12, 2016 10:07 AM
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| Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? |
| Not a bad start to the series, though I've always been confused with all the alternate timelines in this title. And they were totally blatant at teasing a certain character in the post-credits there. |
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ANGRY2011 said: Well, it is a start. I'm not familiar with the story of this spinoff, so maybe it will be pretty decent - Total Eclipse left me feeling like I wasn't sure what exactly they decided they wanted to make when it was all said and done, and it certainly didn't give me the joy that Muv Luv should have. Here's to hoping that this one will deliver better. As for everyone who hasn't read Muv Luv and Alternative: I would really prompt you to do so, and not watch the spin off animes beforehand. I know people probably won't, simply because they don't want to read a VN or invest any time/effort into their entertainment, but you're missing out. BGMaxie said: So umm seems you seem to be the most experienced of all people here regarding Muv Luv, can I ask: 1) What is or are the main series about. 2) What's the idea or differences between Total Eclipse and Alternative. 3) Where is THIS series placed at. 4) If possible a brief description of each. Onegaishimasu. I'm not Fai, and I'm guessing he's more knowledgeable than me, but I've read Muv Luv and Alternative as well as watched Total Eclipse, so I can give you my trimmed-from-spoilers version, if you wanted. Fai said: BGMaxie said: 1) What is or are the main series about. War, bonds between people, cruelty of life, awfulness of human nature, value of love and the price of making sacrifices. The main series consist of two games, Muv Luv and Muv Luv Alternative. The first game is separated into two parts Extra and Unlimited - Extra deals with the main characters life and interactions before he gets fully involved in the conflict, while Unlimited deals with the actual war. To say more would be spoiler. 2) What's the idea or differences between Total Eclipse and Alternative. Total Eclipse is spin off visual novel that follows different cast during the events of Alternative. The anime version is non-canon fuck up while the visual novel is at least partially canon. It is known to be way lighter and fanservicey than the main franchise and is believed to be the worst part of muv luv franchise. 3) Where is THIS series placed at. Its a prequel to the events depicted in Alternative, set in 1983, less than a decade after the BETA invasion started. It depicts a series of events that sets in motion certain event in Total Eclipse visual novel. 4) If possible a brief description of each. Muv Luv is set in after 2000 and focuses on a normal highschool boy who wakes up one morning only to find out a beautiful girl right next to him. The mystery that transpires slowly draws him into a war that has lasted decades already. Muv Luv Alternative is a sequel to that covers the last years of the war and the sacrifices to be made for betterment of humanity. So to sum it up. There is Muv-Luv and then Unlimited that first deal with highschool setting and somehow the other is parallel in which they fight "something". Then there is the Alternative line that composes Schwarzenmarken, Alternative and then Total Eclipse in THAT chronological order, that deals with the BETA invasion. So basically most of this VN deals with war and a lot of conflict. That it? And apart from that the adaptation of Alternative is it? Is on popular belief to be awful to watch, but is it needed to watch it? Did I nail this right? |
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WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Judging from the 1st episode, I say you don't need to watch muv-luv. Also, all the characters are new But I still recommend watching muv-luv because it is good |
| apocalipseee goreee boobs are real globes in that uniform I can smell some romanticism here and there........ |
| This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol |
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WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Not at all. Most people would also say you probably shouldn't, because it's not particularly good. Whether this will turn out better than Total Eclipse remains to be seen. I really hope it'll be a good series, but the first episode is best described as "meh" to me. I can easily see this turning into a train wreck, but the visual novel and light novel seem to be have good ratings so perhaps it will become more engaing. That being said, only 20ish have read them so these ratings aren't exactly reliable by any stretch of the imagination. It's just an indication that this could actually be a good story. Chiibi said: This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol The visual novel seems to be much more graphic, so I believe if you can handle something as brutal as this, you should be able to handle the series without much trouble. They'll most likely censor the natiest stuff, so I don't think it'll get worse than the picture below. There are no "guts" in it, but it's as brutal as it gets imo. This does spoil one of the scenes in the first episode, so it's up to you whether you care about it. I don't think it's a big deal, but I think it's a fair warning. Here's the screenshot, which is obviously nsfw: |
FlamepriesTJan 12, 2016 2:30 PM
FlamepriesT said: WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Not at all. Most people would also say you probably shouldn't, because it's not particularly good. Whether this will turn out better than Total Eclipse remains to be seen. I really hope it'll be a good series, but the first episode is best described as "meh" to me. I can easily see this turning into a train wreck, but the visual novel and light novel seem to be have good ratings so perhaps it will become more engaing. That being said, only 20ish have read them so these ratings aren't exactly reliable by any stretch of the imagination. It's just an indication that this could actually be a good story. Chiibi said: This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol The visual novel seems to be much more graphic, so I believe if you can handle something as brutal as this, you should be able to handle the series without much trouble. They'll most likely censor the natiest stuff, so I don't think it'll get worse than the picture below. There are no "guts" in it, but it's as brutal as it gets imo. This does spoil one of the scenes in the first episode, so it's up to you whether you care about it. I don't think it's a big deal, but I think it's a fair warning. Here's the screenshot, which is obviously nsfw: That's not too bad. Okay. Domo arigatou Mr. Roboto :'D |
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BGMaxie said: Did I nail this right? Mostly? |
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ixarising said: SPOILER Neat. Didn't know that. I'd say the relation is completely unimportant, but cool. Also, spoilers. |
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| Katia looks like Misuzu. XD Hopefully she won't die. :/ |
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| BETA 0____0 I hope Theo gets along well with Katia. Even if she looks like his sister |
| I'm quite interested in this as a whole more so than I was in Total Eclipse from the get-go, altho I felt TE's slower start was a bit better. The cold war atmosphere, besides the BETA war is more interesting than one who's main purpose is to test a new TSF. Theodor doesn't seem to be a mechaphile like Yuuya, which is a + for me(tell me he isn't) and he prob had the best line this ep "Insane pilots need to stay off the battlefield." I don't care how good or genius that pilot is, if they can't control themselves, they're a threat to their comrades, as seen. |
| Oh yes this is much better than Total Eclipse although I'm having a hard time liking the main guy ! |
Bibimbapski said: Kazuboredlife said: can i watch this without watching muv-luv ? Same question. Should I watch Muv-Luv and Total Eclipse first before watching Schwarzesmarken? I can pretty much catch the drift of the story but it's not really reeling me in as of yet. @this question and all like it. There is no Muv-Luv anime. Total Eclipse was the only MLA side story adaptation released prior to Schwarzesmarken. Seeing TE is optional - though there are some things that TE explains that Schwarzesmarken doesn't. Reading the source VN's is more comprehensive and informative. Again, both are optional. I personally don't think TE was as bad as some are proclaiming in this thread. Could it have been better? Yes. It's your call. |
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| A very eventful first episode! Might turn out being just another mecha-drama anime, but we'll just have to wait & see! |
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| realy good start tho, 1983 with mechas and automatic door, why not? |
HiirodaJan 13, 2016 1:49 AM
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soluuloi said: ...And what's with Katia? I know she's supposed to be UN pilot but god, she's dumb...or she's actually smart and is the spy of UN? ... I think she is dumb. She looks like exactly like a typical dumb/annoying character. |
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BGMaxie said: And apart from that the adaptation of Alternative is it? there's no such thing |
Insertanamehere said: BGMaxie said: And apart from that the adaptation of Alternative is it? there's no such thing tLDR: THERE'S no adaptation at all. Total Eclipse anime is a botched "thing" with most of content removed that does not even cover everything 52 episode Muv Luv Extra/Unlimited adaptation by Sunrise when? |
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| Looks like this show will be depressing as hell. Plus, such amount of pretty girls I'm sure it will include fanservice as well. I don't actually care but I hope they focus on battles and plot development rather than other things. This... Katia girl seems really persistent though. I don't think she has a realistic view on what's going on around her. Deserved bitch slap. Her attitude seems annoying although that may be because she's innocent in spirit. We'll see how she wakes up later on. Main guy Theodor seems to have lots of personality problems but he seems cool. He looks a whole lot like Lindo from Dance with Devils for some reason... Anyway, I like him. If they can make him grow up as a person and companion later if would be fucking great. Also voiced by Suzumura Kenichi so that's one huge extra point. Art is nothing special but does good at battling scenes. Also, the german and war setting seems really interesting, as well action shots. Anyway it was a good start. It began directly with violence and deaths from the beginning so that managed to convince me enough to keep watching and interested. |
HeiizeJan 13, 2016 6:18 AM
| I really liked the first episode but couldn't keep up with all the characters names lol so many |
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Seiya0890 said: soluuloi said: ...And what's with Katia? I know she's supposed to be UN pilot but god, she's dumb...or she's actually smart and is the spy of UN? ... I think she is dumb. She looks like exactly like a typical dumb/annoying character. She's not dumb. She's 15, bro. "Insane pilots need to stay off the battlefield." I laughed at that. Theodor seems like one of those guys who is easily annoyed and everything pisses him off and those can be pretty fun characters. |
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| This one already darker at start. Musics and battle scenes are awesome though. |
| Pretty good episode, a bit melodramatic though. |
Chiibi said: Seiya0890 said: I think she is dumb. She looks like exactly like a typical dumb/annoying character. She's not dumb. She's 15, bro. "Insane pilots need to stay off the battlefield." I laughed at that. Theodor seems like one of those guys who is easily annoyed and everything pisses him off and those can be pretty fun characters. Lol, age has barely anything to do in anime. You think it's normal to send a little girl at the battlefield ? In anime, characters are usually created according to their settings (you probably have heard the word "sette" many times in animes). The age does influence it, but is not that relevant. Here Katia experienced death situation, killed alive creatures, this should be more important to forge the personality. |
Seiya0890Jan 14, 2016 12:23 AM
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| Dark atmosphere right from the start. Also those history related stuff sounds really convincing. |
FlamepriesT said: WhipItGood said: Do I need to have watched muv-luv alternative :eclipse to watch this? Not at all. Most people would also say you probably shouldn't, because it's not particularly good. Whether this will turn out better than Total Eclipse remains to be seen. I really hope it'll be a good series, but the first episode is best described as "meh" to me. I can easily see this turning into a train wreck, but the visual novel and light novel seem to be have good ratings so perhaps it will become more engaing. That being said, only 20ish have read them so these ratings aren't exactly reliable by any stretch of the imagination. It's just an indication that this could actually be a good story. Chiibi said: This looks good but how gory is it? I'm ok with blood and corpses....not so okay with seeing guts and other internal organs. lol The visual novel seems to be much more graphic, so I believe if you can handle something as brutal as this, you should be able to handle the series without much trouble. They'll most likely censor the natiest stuff, so I don't think it'll get worse than the picture below. There are no "guts" in it, but it's as brutal as it gets imo. This does spoil one of the scenes in the first episode, so it's up to you whether you care about it. I don't think it's a big deal, but I think it's a fair warning. Here's the screenshot, which is obviously nsfw: Damn...the anime censored the death scene too much. |
| Meh, the show is edgy enough. Any more gore and you can expect Terra Formars tier censorship. |
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ixarising said: karmenmeghan said: You don't know how thankful I am when I saw your comment ixarising. You're welcome. Thanks |
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| Total Eclipse had a really good first episode too... before it turned harem. I'm hoping this one sticks to the action. Great music too. |
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Fai said: They have no alternative to that.Humans are going extinct faster than they grow up. Pilots and overall soldiers have extremely low life expectancy. To add to that, not every person is compatible with being a pilot. Thus using child soldiers, especially in terms of piloting, etc is common in this setting. Yea that reason gets used alot in animes. I get it. But it just doesn't sit well with me. It seems like a lazy reason and also just allows them to use children in order to get a larger/easier target audience (children). Not every person is compatible - really? who the hell engineered these machines in such a way that a % of the population can simply never use them due to an 'incompatibility' which good training cannot overcome. And there are plenty of adult soldiers around. I saw what looked like several thousand pointlessly die in the first episode. They can't spare 6 soldiers every now and then to train a squad? |
| Average start for the show but I'm sure it's only gonna get bloodier as we go. Looks like Lise is in Stasi from the looks of the epilogue while Irisdina and Beatrix are the main leads for fanservice if they choose to go the extreme. |
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