| In Israel, even secular schools have Bible lessons. However, these are not from a religious perspective, but literary. Contradictions in the Bible aren't hidden but discussed. It's like one giant literature lesson around the book. A friend says this is still an attempt to spread religion and should not be mandatory. I disagree with him, since the Bible is an important and influential text so it's important to learn some of it. I got to thinking - there are other mythic texts that are very influential (Paradise Lost, the New Testament, the Odyssey). Why not study them too? What do you think? Should any of these be taught or not at all? |
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| The new testament is the bible. |
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| no. because all the fedoras would start a riot |
| I dont see anything wrong with teaching about the bible as long as they arent forcing a religion onto someone. Educating someone about one is a good thing though. |
| I don't see why not. |
| Sure, if it's for history purposes and shit and not trying to force people into religion. I don't think it should be mandatory though. |
| No Don't they have Catholic schools for that |
| Fanatical muslim conservationists in my place would start rioting like mad then go ahead beating up every single christians they could find and burning down every single churches they could see, then proceed to thrashing educational departments for poisoning the minds of youths with infidelities etc etc etc should that happen. So, no. |
| Absolutely. I never understood this need to expunge Christianity from society. I thought been Atheist just means you lack faith so why are so many Atheists going out of their way to get rid of a religion. Just ignore it in your life rather than try to influence society into your perfect image. Christianity hardly forced anyone to worship, just gives them the option. |
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| No since repercussions would be bad. |
| Well, being educated about a religion is very great but I'm personally not down with that. |
Interrrrrpetgyu said: No, the bible has no literary value. Might as well teach A Song of Ice and Fire while you're at it. |
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| In History I was taught (literally) only about the Nazi's (our teacher was a neo I think) did it turn me into a Nazi? (don't answer that) Teaching the bible in school won't brainwash kids. I was raised in two Christian schools and I turned out super Atheist. |
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| I would also have to agree that the bible's literary value is not worth much. Something that is long and influential like the bible doesn't mean it has merit. In my opinion, it's no 'A tale of two cities'. Though, I can see the perspective of it being taught on these grounds as it is an important book in human history. However, teaching it in schools, especially in the U.Sm would be a violation of separation of church and state(not that we don't have that already) and would be turned into something-or rather started-as a way to spread Christianity, rather than teach a book as if it were being taught as Romeo and juliet. Also, is the bible in Israel the new testament being taught to point out contradictions or the old testament? If it's the new testament, that might work tbh. |
| I think the history of religions and the outcome they've had on our civilizations over these thousands of years should be taught in school. I'm all for freedom of religion though, just should not favor any religions in a public school. |
| No. You can learn nothing from it by itself. Religion should be taught in an objective way, and more religions should be covered. |
Pacifica_Ocean said: Absolutely. I never understood this need to expunge Christianity from society. I thought been Atheist just means you lack faith so why are so many Atheists going out of their way to get rid of a religion. Just ignore it in your life rather than try to influence society into your perfect image. Christianity hardly forced anyone to worship, just gives them the option. I'm surprised to hear this from you, for some reason. I hope everyone understands I'm talking about a LITERARY study of the Bible, not a religious one. |
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| Should definitely not be taught in elementary school, the idea that you go to hell if you don't behave properly is a horrible message to children. Sure, majority don't get affected by it, but still many kids do and it's sickening. I think it's much better to learn about religions as you're older, and note the plural. |
| As an elective sure. Making it mandatory? Unless it is a Catholic school, I don't see why they should. Public schools have students from many different faiths and it would be unfair just to teach one. |
| We had religious studies classes when I was a kid, and we did plenty of bible analyses and readings, and it was honestly so drab that I don't wish that upon any child. I think it's important that young students are educated about religion and its history and the effect it has had on us throughout the ages, but don't make them actually read the bible, let alone give it to them as a piece of literary work that they have to study. I wouldn't give them the Odyssey either for that matter. |
TheBrainintheJar said: I'm surprised to hear this from you, for some reason. I hope everyone understands I'm talking about a LITERARY study of the Bible, not a religious one. You're not the only one surprised trust me. Even as a literary study the impact the book has had over the years and through the worlds civilization is massive and cannot be denied. I fail to see how any school can teach anything about the history of society and not include the bible and the religion that fueled so much of the changes the west and a lot of the middle east experienced. |
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| I grew up in the Philippines and I studied in a Catholic school. There's a subject dedicated to Christianity. The Old Testament, The New Testament, etc. and all that stuff. It isn't really necessary if you'd ask me. We studied the same stuff over and over again until the end of primary school. Learning about the bible isn't exactly what you'd call something you need to learn. After all, it's just a collection of scriptures that have deeper meaning in them. There's nothing bad in studying it though. While studying the subject, we weren't only subjected to exclusively sudying the bible. We talked about the commandments, beatitudes, and laws. Which helped me as a person today because of the values I learned from it. |
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FrancoGYFV said: Pacifica_Ocean said: Absolutely. I never understood this need to expunge Christianity from society. I thought been Atheist just means you lack faith so why are so many Atheists going out of their way to get rid of a religion. Just ignore it in your life rather than try to influence society into your perfect image. Christianity hardly forced anyone to worship, just gives them the option. It's not about expunge Christianism from society, is about to not influence children into any religion. What you believe (or in my case, don't believe) it's something that should be completely up to yourself. Exactly. Indoctrination is an ugly thing indeed, and by that I mean any kind of indoctrination. And if I remember correctly, children weren't even supposed to be christened in the first place. |
| in public school, no If you are homeschooling or unschooling then that's the choice of the parent as long as it's not a violent, extremist interpretation of Christianity. Extremism is tyranny and should not be taught to kids. |
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| No, not in public schools. Because not every one believes in the same thing and some people don't follow religion at all. |
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FrancoGYFV said: Pacifica_Ocean said: Absolutely. I never understood this need to expunge Christianity from society. I thought been Atheist just means you lack faith so why are so many Atheists going out of their way to get rid of a religion. Just ignore it in your life rather than try to influence society into your perfect image. Christianity hardly forced anyone to worship, just gives them the option. It's not about expunge Christianism from society, is about to not influence children into any religion. What you believe (or in my case, don't believe) it's something that should be completely up to yourself. But isn't denying them the chance at becoming religious because of say parental Atheist belief the same? they're influencing those children to denounce the very idea of God telling them its silly or not even worth thinking about. To remove it from children all together is attempting to influence their development is it not? removing something you personally don't agree with so children don't learn about it and develop the way you wish them to, free from religious belief is no different than the alternative. It shouldn't be if they teach it but how they teach it thats important. Let children make up their own minds. |
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Interrrrrpetgyu said: A Song of Ice and Fire has better writing than the bible and you can tell that the authors are more intelligent. I think it seems like the better choice. From what I know it might also be less violent than the bible so it's safer for kids.No, the bible has no literary value. Might as well teach A Song of Ice and Fire while you're at it. |
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| no, not even from the literary point of view. literature in school was a complete bore anyway, we never did anything else than western writers, just how biased is that? |
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TheBrainintheJar said: I got to thinking - there are other mythic texts that are very influential (Paradise Lost, the New Testament, the Odyssey). Why not study them too? What do you think? Should any of these be taught or not at all? if such lessons exist, I would gladly attend the class. it will be fun |
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Pacifica_Ocean said: TheBrainintheJar said: I'm surprised to hear this from you, for some reason. I hope everyone understands I'm talking about a LITERARY study of the Bible, not a religious one. You're not the only one surprised trust me. Even as a literary study the impact the book has had over the years and through the worlds civilization is massive and cannot be denied. I fail to see how any school can teach anything about the history of society and not include the bible and the religion that fueled so much of the changes the west and a lot of the middle east experienced. What about other mythic/influential texts like Paradise Lost and The Odyssey? zombie_pegasus said: Interrrrrpetgyu said: A Song of Ice and Fire has better writing than the bible and you can tell that the authors are more intelligent. I think it seems like the better choice. From what I know it might also be less violent than the bible so it's safer for kids.No, the bible has no literary value. Might as well teach A Song of Ice and Fire while you're at it. How does Martin write better than the dudes who made KJV? The Bible has very precise language. It's minimalistic, sticks to what's important and doesn't drag on. Have Martin wrote something like "Render unto Caesar..." or "Thou art dust..."? |
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| Include it in the subjects seen at school would be a great idea tbh. But not only the Bible : Important influential texts must be known too ! |
TheBrainintheJar said: What about other mythic/influential texts like Paradise Lost and The Odyssey? If school had enough time I'd have them teach as much as possible on all types of books and ideologies, religions, spirituality, mysticism. Everything, schools are really restrictive with their learning material. |
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| Why not just encompass the main religions, I'd love to learn more about buddhism. |
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| no it shouldnt. everybody should be able to have and learn their own religion |
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| Even twilight has more literature value than bible |
| No. It's against the law to teach anything about religion in schools where I live, and it should remain that way. |
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| I think it should be treated like any other book, and if someone wanted to have a elective bible class why not? |
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Seiya said: No. It's against the law to teach anything about religion in schools where I live, and it should remain that way. That sounds awesome. We were force-fed bible bullcrap from the 1st grade to the seventh. |
CondemneDio said: Seiya said: No. It's against the law to teach anything about religion in schools where I live, and it should remain that way. That sounds awesome. We were force-fed bible bullcrap from the 1st grade to the seventh. Why aren't you brainwashed then? |
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| No absolutely not. Religion and school should be completely separated from each other. Churches just want to brainwash the kids when their young.. |
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