Pandering to the Western anime fandom..

Sep 17, 2015 4:36 AM

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What's the difference between pandering to the Japanese and to the Western fanbase?

Sep 17, 2015 4:38 AM

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It´s bullshit, the truth is that Madhouse delivers more towards Anime fans in general and not towards Otakus.Less Moe shows with cute girls doing cute things, less fanservice and no adaptations of borderline hentai like To love ru.

It´s basic logic, is Toei catering towards the western audience because they brought us Dragon Ball and One Piece.Or is Pierrot catering towards the westerners when they brought us Naruto and Bleach?
Is Miyazaki catering towards us? No he just took inspiration from Disney and gave it his own spin, their primarly goal is to make a living and showcase their art.

If you ask me though what´s better spirited away or the Lion King I´d tell you even in 20 years the Lion King because I found spirited away confusing and boring, still millions of non japanese people suck Miyazaki off.

IsterioSep 17, 2015 4:44 AM

Sep 17, 2015 4:42 AM

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PeripheralVision said:
What's the difference between pandering to the Japanese and to the Western fanbase?

Idols, little sisters vs big explosions

Sep 17, 2015 4:44 AM

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Who cares?

Sep 17, 2015 4:45 AM

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Praland said:

PeripheralVision said:
What's the difference between pandering to the Japanese and to the Western fanbase?

Idols, little sisters vs [b]big explosions

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It said western fanbase not Michael bay.

Sep 17, 2015 4:45 AM

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Really? This is news to me

I think it's just coincidence

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Sep 17, 2015 4:46 AM

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Praland said:

PeripheralVision said:
What's the difference between pandering to the Japanese and to the Western fanbase?

Idols, little sisters vs big explosions

harems, boobs

F0XFIRE said:
OP 4 most butthurt bitch on MAL.

Sep 17, 2015 4:51 AM

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peeyaj said:

Praland said:

Idols, little sisters vs big explosions

harems, boobs

Everything you describe is Otaku culture, the same thing Miyazaki considers a mistake, it´s a widespread disease in Japan. Welcome to NHK is basicly a parody about those circumstances.

Sep 17, 2015 4:54 AM

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>doing anything for baka gaijin
OP, pls.
If elevens ever decide to do something for us, it will be subs on the BD releases, not some sort of PLOT you're assuming is "westernized" for western audiences.

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Sep 17, 2015 4:59 AM

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I don't think so. From what I see, there isn't much of a difference between "Western" and Japanese audiences. The moe/loli/ecchi slice of life niche is also big among non Japanese audiences. I don't really see the deal that so many other fans fuss about when it comes to audiences. It just so happens that more "serious" shows are less popular among both audiences. I bet you that there's a sizable portion of Japanese fans that loatheeeeee moe/loli and other current popular trends in anime.

peeyaj said:

Praland said:

Idols, little sisters vs big explosions

harems, boobs

Moe/Ecchi/Harem/slice of life/school is also big among non-Japanese audiences.

Sep 17, 2015 5:04 AM

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It's just a huge load of bullshit like what most anime fans think or say about the anime industry.

Sep 17, 2015 5:19 AM

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Praland said:

PeripheralVision said:
What's the difference between pandering to the Japanese and to the Western fanbase?

Idols, little sisters vs big explosions

That's all they like. It's hard getting my friends to watch anything other than action.

Sep 17, 2015 5:23 AM

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''Highest viewer rating late-night anime shows of each year.
2001 6.1 Hajime no Ippo Madhouse
2002 6.1 Hajime no Ippo Madhouse
2003 4.7 Hanada shounenshi Madhouse
2004 4.9 Gokusen Madhouse
2005 4.2 Monster Madhouse
2006 6.3 NANA Madhouse
2007 6.1 NANA Madhouse
2008 6.6 Nodame Cantabile J.C.Staff
2009 5.8 Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 BONES,Kinemacitrus
2010 4.5 K-on!! Kyoto Animation
2011 4.1 Kaiji-hakairoku hen- Madhouse
2012 3.3 Chihayafuru Madhouse

They are just adapting more famous souces than more otaku context souces that is about it.If they want dise sales they would adapt souces from otaku context just like they did No Game No Life''

Sep 17, 2015 5:47 AM

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I think some people here incapable of telling what are mainstream context souces and what are otaku context souces in japan that leads to misconception.

umashikanekoSep 17, 2015 5:53 AM

Sep 17, 2015 5:50 AM

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yeah; madhouse anime have relatively good tv ratings, and some of their most well received anime in the west also sold rather well in japan (nana, tatami galaxy, death note, claymore, black lagoon, ngnl)

and from umashikaneko's post, i can assume they have other low sales-good ratings shows; the general TV audience is pretty different from the BD buying one, and they both can be seen as factors of success

they just don't pander that much to mecha/moe/shounen/fujo fans which are responsible for most best sellers, yet some of their low selling shows have actually been quite successful on TV

this might also be the case for Manglobe... though they're obviously less successful... maybe the production committees give them a fixed sum to make the anime, and if the project fails, the committee loses the money, not the studio (same if it succeeds - the committee gets all the money); this is just a hypothesis tho... who knows.. maybe there's some eccentric western billionaire who funds Manglobe

romagiaSep 17, 2015 6:11 AM

Sep 17, 2015 6:09 AM

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romagia said:
yeah; madhouse anime have relatively good tv ratings, and some of their most well received anime in the west also sold rather well in japan (nana, tatami galaxy, death note, claymore, black lagoon, ngnl)

and from umashikaneko's post, i can also assume they have other low sales-good ratings shows

they just don't pander that much to mecha/moe/shounen/fujo fans which are responsible for most best sellers

Yet another bullshit myth made up by retards.

HxH is a shounen, Death note is a Shounen.Claymore is a Shounen.
Death Note and Nana outsold One Piece during their prime.
Stop spouting stuff that´s plain wrong.

IsterioSep 17, 2015 6:13 AM

Sep 17, 2015 6:14 AM

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Isterio said:

romagia said:
yeah; madhouse anime have relatively good tv ratings, and some of their most well received anime in the west also sold rather well in japan (nana, tatami galaxy, death note, claymore, black lagoon, ngnl)

and from umashikaneko's post, i can also assume they have other low sales-good ratings shows

they just don't pander that much to mecha/moe/shounen/fujo fans which are responsible for most best sellers

Yet another bullshit myth made up by retards.

HxH is a shounen, Death note is a Shounen.Claymore is a Shounen.
Death Note outsold One Piece during it´s prime.
Stop spouting stuff that´s plain wrong.

hm.. yes, shounen might not be the right word, but i can't find a better umbrella term for (urban) fantasy like SAO, SNK, FMA, fate, raildex, kekkai sensen, ..

oh well, even so, they're not so strongly represented .. you can just call them "etc"

Sep 17, 2015 6:30 AM

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romagia said:

Isterio said:

Yet another bullshit myth made up by retards.

HxH is a shounen, Death note is a Shounen.Claymore is a Shounen.
Death Note outsold One Piece during it´s prime.
Stop spouting stuff that´s plain wrong.

hm.. yes, shounen might not be the right word, but i can't find a better umbrella term for (urban) fantasy like SAO, SNK, FMA, fate, raildex, kekkai sensen, ..

oh well, even so, they're not so strongly represented .. you can just call them "etc"

How do HxH Claymore and to an extent Death note not fit into this category.

HxH is basicly set in a fantasy world so is Claymore (excluding the bullshit plottwist that killed the series), even Deathnote to an extend is pretty fantasy based. Oh yeah their Shinigami perform their task different than the ones in Bleach.
Seriously elitist pricks can fuck off, Light Yagami from Death Note isn´t any more complicated or well written than Madara Uchiha or Itachi from Naruto.

The sole difference is Madhouse adapts mostly short series that are hit or miss, when they miss they pay a high price as they put a decent amount of budget in each episode, which is why alot of us " westerners" praise Madhouse and spread retarded rumors like these leading up to threads like these spreading those retarded rumors further.

IsterioSep 17, 2015 6:35 AM

Sep 17, 2015 6:35 AM

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Isterio said:

romagia said:

hm.. yes, shounen might not be the right word, but i can't find a better umbrella term for (urban) fantasy like SAO, SNK, FMA, fate, raildex, kekkai sensen, ..

oh well, even so, they're not so strongly represented .. you can just call them "etc"

How do HxH Claymore and to an extent Death note not fit into this category.

HxH is basicly set in a fantasy world so is Claymore (excluding the bullshit plottwist that killed the series), even Deathnote to an extend is pretty fantasy based. Oh yeah their Shinigami perform their task different than the ones in Bleach.
Seriously elitist pricks can fuck off, Light Yagami from Death Note isn´t any more complicated or well written than Madara Uchiha or Itachi from Naruto.

The sole difference is Madhouse adapts mostly short series that are hit or miss, when they miss they pay a high price as they put a decent amount of budget in each episode, which is why alot of us " westerners" praise Madhouse and spread retarded rumors like these leading up to threads like these spreading those retarded rumors further.

death note maybe, but it's not fighting oriented
claymore and HxH sold less than 10k => doesn't fit

just like there are many moe, mecha, fujo shows with <10k sales

the point was that some of these 'miss' series actually had good ratings on tv

romagiaSep 17, 2015 6:46 AM

Sep 17, 2015 6:43 AM

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romagia said:
death note maybe, but it's not fighting oriented
claymore and HxH sold less than 10k => doesn't fit

just like there are many moe, mecha, fujo shows with <10k sales

the point was that some of these 'miss' series actually had good ratings on tv

You do know that Claymore was killed due to it´s horrible manga conclusion and already was poorly adapted by Madhouse?

I dunno about HxH but it doesn´t surprise me if Claymore did bad in general.

Link to the sale numbers please, as people love to spout BS in tose forums and Idk where to look em up.

Sep 17, 2015 6:45 AM

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Isterio said:

romagia said:
death note maybe, but it's not fighting oriented
claymore and HxH sold less than 10k => doesn't fit

just like there are many moe, mecha, fujo shows with <10k sales

the point was that some of these 'miss' series actually had good ratings on tv

You do know that Claymore was killed due to it´s horrible manga conclusion and already was poorly adapted by Madhouse?

I dunno about HxH but it doesn´t surprise me if Claymore did bad in general.

Link to the sale numbers please, as people love to spout BS in tose forums and Idk where to look em up.

sigh..
Claymore - 6k ( http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view )
HxH 2011 - 443 ( http://www.someanithing.com/2581 )

HxH did reach top 10 tv anime ratings at least once
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-29/japan-animation-tv-ranking-september-16-22

also, what do you mean by "Claymore was killed"? i believe claymore was meant to be 26 eps from the beginning

romagiaSep 17, 2015 6:49 AM

Sep 17, 2015 6:47 AM

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romagia said:
hm.. yes, shounen might not be the right word, but i can't find a better umbrella term for (urban) fantasy like SAO, SNK, FMA, fate, raildex, kekkai sensen, ..

They are often called "shounen fighting anime" or just "shounen". Calling them just "shounen" is incorrect (perfectly peaceful harems can be marketed to shounen audience too), but often done anyway.

Sep 17, 2015 6:48 AM

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Isterio said:

Praland said:

Idols, little sisters vs [b]big explosions

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It said western fanbase not Michael bay.

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Sep 17, 2015 7:05 AM

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Isterio said:
It´s bullshit, the truth is that Madhouse delivers more towards Anime fans in general and not towards Otakus.Less Moe shows with cute girls doing cute things, less fanservice and no adaptations of borderline hentai like To love ru.

It´s basic logic, is Toei catering towards the western audience because they brought us Dragon Ball and One Piece.Or is Pierrot catering towards the westerners when they brought us Naruto and Bleach?
Is Miyazaki catering towards us? No he just took inspiration from Disney and gave it his own spin, their primarly goal is to make a living and showcase their art.

If you ask me though what´s better spirited away or the Lion King I´d tell you even in 20 years the Lion King because I found spirited away confusing and boring, still millions of non japanese people suck Miyazaki off.

This, MadHouse are aware of western fans but mostly they cater towards fans of animation rather than Otaku. That's no bad thing though, just look at Death Parade and The Girl Who Leapt Through Time to name just two. They are great anime for it.

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Sep 17, 2015 7:09 AM

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NudeBear said:
I bet you that there's a sizable portion of Japanese fans that loatheeeeee moe/loli and other current popular trends in anime.

There is, there have been a number of opinion polls over the last year (or two?) that highlight trends Japanese fans dislike and fan service, moe and loli are high on those lists. Also most Japanese people feel much the same way about those trends as westerners do.

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Sep 17, 2015 7:12 AM

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Gangsta shits all over Love Live, no matter what part of the world you live in.

Sep 17, 2015 7:24 AM

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peeyaj said:

Praland said:

Idols, little sisters vs big explosions

harems, boobs

Blame Miyazaki for the current state of anime.

All credit goes to Sacred.

Sep 17, 2015 7:26 AM

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Sep 17, 2015 7:29 AM

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romagia said:

Isterio said:

You do know that Claymore was killed due to it´s horrible manga conclusion and already was poorly adapted by Madhouse?

I dunno about HxH but it doesn´t surprise me if Claymore did bad in general.

Link to the sale numbers please, as people love to spout BS in tose forums and Idk where to look em up.

sigh..
Claymore - 6k ( http://www.someanithing.com/series-data-quick-view )
HxH 2011 - 443 ( http://www.someanithing.com/2581 )

HxH did reach top 10 tv anime ratings at least once
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-09-29/japan-animation-tv-ranking-september-16-22

also, what do you mean by "Claymore was killed"? i believe claymore was meant to be 26 eps from the beginning

Death Note had a second season run, while the Mangaka was probably forced by Jump to extend his series in order to milk it, while Claymore´s manga was axed after doing terrible during the end of it´s lifespan. It released 28 volumes and barely sold in the millions.

Series like Shaman King, Reborn, Beelzebub or HSDK were all axed and besides HSDK the other 3 are Jump series. If Claymore´s source material had any worth to it, it would have done better, but Madhouse did it´s part in degrading it, through cencorship and changing plotlines (anime original ending).

Sep 17, 2015 8:07 AM

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I don't expect it to.
If I wanted to read something western I would look for something Western from Western sources.
I want to see Japanese takes on Western Fantasy, Western Moderns etc etc.
I don't need something basically the same as what is produced in Europe and America.

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