Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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fourbucks said: 1 episode left and the braves haven't taken a step to save the world at all, what the hell? I think they've been in the same area for like 8+ episodes?? How boring. Okay, Naruto guy. darboux said: Whats the point of the rules its a story set in a fantasy magical setting.The posibilities are too much and in this type of setting you cannot rule out any theory because magic tbh.Its not set in a normal world where you can make completely logical assumptions and rule out certain theories. Even if as a viewer you guessed that Riura was used to make the fake fog and how the barrier got up you still was not shown anything about her power to say it made sense or not.Example noone can really explain beyond doubt how her power worked and why when she died the temperature dropped in 2 secs.Even if she was the heat source the temperature does not make sense to drop so easy,unless its magic.Also adlet figured it out completely by luck/chance. Even if it sounded logical her corpse to be inside the fiend,the fiend had a small mouth how on earth did it shallow her as a whole and why didnt it chew her head in pieces and rest of her body so in case they figured it out they couldnt tell it was riura? There is also no way to figure out how the barrier can get activated,so again it will be a result/guess by chance on who did it by adlet and there is no chance for him to tell the motive,the reason any human would side with the fiends. So the ''detective'' in this case solved this by chance in the end and is not able to fully prove who did it or what his motive was. Its fun and entertaining and the mystery was abit clever but it does have some holes but average it is a good show.But a masterpiece of mystery writting or sth hell no. Why can't you type properly? |
UgokiSep 15, 2015 6:09 AM
Ugoki said: fourbucks said: 1 episode left and the braves haven't taken a step to save the world at all, what the hell? I think they've been in the same area for like 8+ episodes?? How boring. Okay, Naruto guy. Now that I think about it, Naruto has comparable pacing. with 300+ episodes of the first season, and probably some more in shippuuden, Naruto hasn't yet earned the title of Hokage, right? I hope Rokka no Yuusha will defeat (or befriend) the demon god faster than that. |
Tylaen said: Splitting myself from the debate, I just leave this here.  Haha, GATE is going down after the novelty wore off. flannan said: Ugoki said: Okay, Naruto guy. Now that I think about it, Naruto has comparable pacing. with 300+ episodes of the first season, and probably some more in shippuuden, Naruto hasn't yet earned the title of Hokage, right? I hope Rokka no Yuusha will defeat (or befriend) the demon god faster than that. Naruto has stopped being about wanting to be hokage since ages ago. And a lot of those episodes are just fillers. |
UgokiSep 15, 2015 6:12 AM
Zefyris said: @Jagd84 : that's precisely because burrying it isn't a possibility that I'm saying that. Even Adlet mentioned it clearly in this episode. They cannot bury it because chamo's pets tunnel. Fremy mentioned that fact to adlet in episode 6. Confer all what I list as proof/hint of chamo's pets activity, they are usually roaming around her so they're roaming around the temple. Hiding a corpse in the ground would risk either for a currently tuneling pet to detect it, or for a pet roaming around to see the ground freshly returned, and immediately bury to search what has been burried here (the pet would do that without Chamo ordering anything anyway) . The fiends knows of CHamo's abilities, and they're "desperate" as Fremy said. Burying a corpse in the ground is a bad idea. Worse, it's hard to bury it. Why? Because the ground is full of those poles seen in episode 10. Fremy just randomly threw a grenade, ad the pole were there, too compact to easily put a cadaver, and not scratched by the bomb. And she said they are everywhere around. -> they cannot bury it into the ground The hollow tree is a better idea. But it's still not as good and by far than the current choice. The whole point is to have the rokka stay long enough inside for several rokka to kill each other. A corpse with a lot of moisture in the air will start to rot quickly. it will SMELL. It will attract insects. If the corpse is inside another corpse, the smell won't be suspicious. But if alone in a palce where no corpse other than this can be seen? It may also be discovered if the tree are thrown around by the saint's power like Mora did in episode 11. whereas in a big fiends the chance of that happening are far less. So this one is possible, but far less likely. The whole point is, Adlet choose the most efficient place for them to hide the corpse. Good points, the make sense. darboux said: There are no big fiends like the one shown that can chew/has gastric fluid that can dissolve the corspe---->area was under attack anyway a fiend having human remains is not so unlikely if it fed ----> No there is no fiend that can do it,because ye we were never told anything about fiends. Okay now your just being ridiculous and arguing for the sake of it. By your logic Fiends can't eat anyone despite have mouths, stomachs and whatnot because we never see do (they're usually killed). The author doesn't need to tell you something can be deduced from common sense. Stop making simply task to be what it was. GSupernova said: I don't see how you can argue it would take too much time when you have no knowledge of A) How much time it would have taken B) How much time was available to be taken If this operation was so time sensitive that a difference in seconds could mean success or failure, it is so plot convenient it is painful to consider. I don't see how anyone could praise such an idiotic plan. AND EVEN THEN, if it's about RISK vs REWARD, the reward far outweighs the risk because discovery of an intact corpse will always yield failure, whereas finding a brontosaurus in the middle of making corpse pudding does not. Here is problem with your suggestion, even if they smashed the body or cut it up the Fiends wouldn't be able to touch it anymore. Because her blood would be everywhere which cause too much damage them on contract. They have leave it where it is and it would discovered in just few minutes by the smell. There is no reward in that, only risk. Your method is just asking to leave unintentional traces all over the place compared to what we have no obvious evidence could be found because the body is still intact . |
Iron_MawSep 15, 2015 1:32 PM
flannan said: "Dew point" is a function of amount of moisture in the air. By raising temperature, you can get a lot of moisture in the air, thus raising its dew point. Also, at any temperature below dew point, fog will also form, unless the temperature if so cold it will form too quickly and condense into rain or snow. Example: The "steam" raising out of a kettle is in fact fog. It is there because the air is full of moisture (evaporating from the boiling water) and cools faster than it can re-distribute moisture to other air around it. ^This By raising the temperature, you raise the amount of moisture in the air, increasing the dew point. Given this is a swamp, the extra moisture is readily available. In this type of location, you'll pretty much always have a high relative humidity, keeping the dew point at or just below whatever the current temperature is. Any sudden drop in temperature is going to result in precipitation/fog. |
DariamusSep 15, 2015 12:39 PM
| Damn, I knew it would end in a cliffhanger but this one packed some serious punch. |
| At the start of this mystery. I cut Hans out of the possible Seventh because that's too predictable and when he admitted being the seventh(Well as a ruse) I was so disappointed. Then it gets more and more intense. I always did had my suspicions the most on Mora but by itself is also too predictable and right now I'm not even sure if she's the Seventh with the way she acted near the end of this episode. (Still her reckless actions on the previous episodes so far had me thought that I nailed it) Now I don't know who to blame now lol. The big guy? Chamot? Nah hope not. He went on an to whatever adventure on finding the brave killer before all these shitstorm. He had all the time in the world to coerce the Sun saint before he meet back with Nashetania. Since he's also has a hard on for the princess, I can see him doing everything he can just to become a Brave(Albeit fake) and protect the princess. Heck maybe all this locking everyone in a temple is to protect the princess. Would be funny if the Seventh is totally harmless and all of these was meaningless and a third party did all these shenannigans. Also lol this flip flop Nashetania going back to cock ride Adlet and acting insane beforehand. |
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| Still this anime is weird. It started out as a JRPG plot then turned into a mystery in an enclosed area. I don't even know what's gonna happen next after this? Back to trying to defeat the Demon God? From mystery to Jrpg plot again. So weird. |
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HandsomeMan said: He's right though, this series breaks pretty much every rule laid down here: http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/vandine.htm Whatever people want to believe, this is not the next coming of jesus. In fact as far as detectives stories go, this is mediocre as fuck. You have to never had read proper detective books to not see it. I still enjoy the show, but due to how entertaining it is, not how profoundly "clever" it is. um...rokka is a mystery story...not detective... |
skudoops said: Another thing is the saint of fog can't produce a fog in that area, yet the saint of the sun can heat up that entire area + more? This came back to my point about us not knowing about the abilities of the saints.. why can't the fog saint create a barrier that big yet the sun saint can heat up an area that big? This is actually mentioned in the show like I stated before. you must haven't been watching carefully. neither the fog more the sun saint can affect the entire area immediately. BUT, Adlet had explained that Riura had been heating up the area for three months (and it was shown episodes ago that riura had been missing for months). three months is enough time to heat up a forest. but if you tell her do it in an instant, then it's impossible, just like the saint of fog can't produce fog that covered the entire forest in an instant. |
| From Google search: Fog is mist when it is very thick. It may appear on land or sea. It usually lowers visibility (makes it hard to see very far). When fog forms at high levels it creates a cloud called stratus. When the air chills, moisture will turn to fog. Riura's death chilled the environment. |
darboux said: @zefyris : ''1)Wrong. When the fog rised the other rokka were still fighting in the forest. So when Riura died, the fiend with her wasn't the last one around. And then the fiend died right afterwards, quite obviously. There is no reason for that fiend to die last. Make sure you put the fiend a little away (but just a little) from the fight together with several others, then the moment the signal is sent, kill riura, and all the remaining fiends assault the rokka, that specific one quietly dying in the following chaos in the middle of other corpses. Done. At the very least, it wasn't the last one to die, no matter if they did like I described. '' How did she survive in the belly?how did she breathe?how did the fiend kill her?magic?there were no cuts and the saint's body seemed intact. So if it wasnt the last one to die who and how did it? ?? THere was a lots of possibilities here. Why would I know which one they used? As long as the possibilities exists, it means that it ending like that makes sense. anyway. The mystery required to find the body, not to find how it lived inside the belly and how it died. Notice that none of the Rokka even inspected the body here. Why? Because contrary to you, they arlready understood that it has no value. The point is to prove Adlet's innocence as well as the seventh's culpability. Would finding how Riura lived her last moments and how she died be important (except if the seventh killed her obviously) ?No, it's not. So they didn't care, didn't inspect the body after identifiying it. It was enveloped by something that looked a bit like a placenta, so maybe it was working the same, providing to Riura the oxygen she needed directly. Is there any reason to check? No, there is isn't. The fiends had dozens of way to do it. What's important here isn't how they did, but the fact they did. IE, with what they choose to do Riura's body was intact, and inside the corpse of a fiend. Was that possible? Yes. Was that a good idea? yes. Was there a better idea? You have yet to find one, sorry. Did they had other fiends that could have done better than that? We don't know, so they don't exist per se. darboux said: Also chamo could sense riura as well.You see you seem 100% that riura was all the time inside the fiend.So see we learn something that was never shown about fiends and saints : Fiends can keep intact and alive saints and they can also use their power while inside just fine. Again, you're making complain about things that have no importance. The mystery implied to discover Rirua's body. Could you do that? YES. WAS IT NECESSARY TO GUESS IF THE BODY WAS INTACT OR NOT? NO. The mystery wasn't asking you for that. As such, we don't care (was I clear here? we don't CARE) if the story told us that we could find an intact body inside a fiend. Could we find a body inside a fiend? Obviously YES. That's all that matters. IF the body wasn't identifiable, it doesn't change the fact the guess about the body being here was logical AND correct. You can deduce what happened to the body by looking at it AFTER you find it (if you need to, that is). Where the hell is the necessity of deducing before finding it in which state it will be? Does the detective searching for a clue deduce is the clue will be in decomposition, well conserved, and in how many part it's cut before going to the place it is? Except if it's immediately relevant to finding it, then the answer is NO. NO detective story requires the reader and the detective to be able to guess in which taste the proof will be after finding it. It requests to find IT. Why are you asking for RnY something other detective stories never do? You're not making any sense here. Also, what the hell with you saying Chamo could detect Riura when she was inside a fiend's stomach? Since when did she become a saint radar? darboux said: And when the fiend wants he can magically kill the person inside him? Ok cool the show does not need to explain right? Why would it explain it? Do you want the story to explain why the sky is blue to? Is that relevant? Does it changes the state of the story? NO. The point was to find the clue, not to guess in which state was the clue, as said above. darboux said: 2) ''You're really trying hard now lolz~'' ------> ''And she is kept intact since she was intact. So that weird stuff around the body was keeping her intact. And therefore alive. Same as above. It's not needed to go further. BEcause if she's properly isolated from gastric fluid, maybe they put some type of tube in her mouth that was going up in the fiend mouth, allowing it to breath like you can breath under water with a reed. Again, possibilities are plenty, so describing which one falls under unnecessary description. '' LMAO yes no need to explain or show it at all that for sure.It happened because it happened lol. Exactly, there is no need. 3rd time in a row. You're asking for an explanation that doesn't even belong in a detective story. Again, it would be different if there was no way, when we looked at the corpse to make proper guess about what happened for the corpse to be in this state. Did I made myself clear here? When we looked at the corpse. not BEFORE. And there are plently of possibility for the corpse to become like that, I only listed a few. Since those posisbility exist, and that the state of the corpse's explanation isn't relevant in solving the mystery, this fall under the rules that unnecessary explanation are to be avoided. You want to know? Too bad, you aren't going to know. Cry me a river. And learn what is a detective story afterwards. Seriously, I'm not going to discuss any longer the state of the corpse, this is going no where. If by now you're still unable to understand that this is unnecessary and that therefore you're never going to receive an official explanation because no one needs it, nor the reader, nor the work, nor the characters in it, then that's hopeless to continue here anyway. darboux said: Yes ''different'' because it suits you.Lore coherence what? we talking about an old handicapped lady the fiends were shown from a distance and didnt need to be that much bigger tbh even the ones we saw could be only with just bigger heads.Or yes guess what they could actually chew her,yea it would take 10 seconds. IF they chew here, they die. Same answer as for GrumpyWolf on that point. The explanation is currently only available in the novel since the scene was skipped. But if they chew her, they first need to have her OUTSIDE. and if they have her outside, someone can see her? Why is that sodifficult for you to understand something that simple? If she's inside the belly all the time the chance of her being seen is ZERO. but if she's outside to be eaten afterwards, the chance are ABOVE ZERO. What you're suggesitng is removing the risk to find the corpse and replace it by a risk of being seen from the start. This isn't any better, this is worse. darboux said: So why can Fremy accurately target small targets like rokka in the fogged forest but couldn't target a huge ass flying fiends slowly taking flight? The fog was never thick enough to stop fremy from aiming from start to finish, and aiming at a quick human is far harder than aiming as a huge ass flying chicken. Taken down? As i said same plan as the ground fiend stay hidden with the saint when fog goes up it flies to the sky with fog noone can see it. darboux said: Not a problem not a risk?? a)it could have accidentaly get his belly sliced in a battle. It is a risk.you cannot rule it out.It is big it could have be attacked by more than 2 braves and one of them slice him.It is not something it could control.so it is a risk.[ b)The other fiends that are keeping the braves busy as you said above?or there are many of them hidden around just in case?but noone managed to scout them afterall. c) Rofl using a straw to breathe like you said if it got its head cut off riura might not have been able to breathe haha. By the moment the battle beteen the rokka started, completely dying by lack of air was already impossible before being killed anyway... Especially since that hug ass fiends was definitely not approaching the rokka before it was time... They were too busy to attack it anyway. Even if it were to be killed before the time is right, that would be like 30s-1min before the right time at worse. As long as Riura herself doesn't die, everything is fine. You're complaining over nothing. ''The thing is, can you actually see it enough to see the signal? That's a different thing. If it's just a point in the horizon, that's bad news, you can't see anything relevant and may start the barrier at the wrong time. Also, what do you did if that precise fiend is shot down while being a big huge sitting duck in the sky? darboux said: Oh, look, it's a very big flying fiend circling around the temple! this looks bad, why is that fiend not throwin bomb and just circling around? Maybe it has an enormous amount of bombs or maybe it's the leader of the troop or something! Fremy, shot it down before it does anything! *Pan*! "Oh well, the plan just got screwed up completely with a single shot of Fremy. Talk about years for nothing. Who again gave birth to that half human? Such a pain in the ass ..." Dude,just because it can fly it does not mean it is always on sky flying around.Do you understand or not? I will say it again : Remain hidden in the forest,like the fiend they used,either keep riura in its belly,or in a sack (or w/e way you want),or just be the signal fiend.When you get the signal mist goes up.It flies with no worries understand now??? And as the only flying fiend starting to fly rather than being very high in the sky, get shot by Fremy as an easy target. Smaaaaart darboux said: 0 visibility,flammie wouldnt even be able to see it not to mention her musket seem old and not so strong.So dont think she could actually shot down something she could not see in 600m distance.But to you this is something so unlikely and illogical and makes their plan worse.But because it suits you ok.Flamie is a magic sniper that can shoot in mist a moving target 500-1km away from her in the sky.Yes it makes sense i agree with you.... Same answer as above. Why is Fremy able to shoot human sized target in the mist if she couldn't shoot a flying brontosaurus just starting to fly. Something that huge would have such a big silhouette that even if she cannot see exactly, she could still kill it with ease. I'm not going to answer again any suggestion of using a flying fiends because you're unable to prove that it's a better or viable idea. There is no proof of such a huge thing existing, we have not seen it and therefore we're not supposed to be taking it in account. And any fiends starting to fly even in the mist would be a prime target for Fremy as the most suspicious thing starting to move after mist appeared, and an easy target even in the mist. darboux said: 1)Adlet 1 brave killed. 2)Goldov no need to sleep.He got a thing for her and she is a nice actor.She can make him drop his guard.(tho i have to admit i not sure about his power yet so as you say maybe its not possible so cant argue back atm) 3)Flammie in general would have died as a brave killer she is just lucky with adlet.....either braves would kill her or prolly fiends would get her if she tried to do it alone....nash could know considering she is cooperating with fiends. You know... You really are not thinking this through at all there. It's the same with you continuously trying to prove that there was better for Riura. The one they choose was extremely clever, extremely difficult to solve, and therefore, they didn't need to do anything more. You saying they did need because in the end the corpse was found is using an a posteriori knowledge they had no way of getting beforehand. Furthermore, if a flying fiends was spotted without getting killed at that time, that would be hell of a suspicious thing happening. So Adlet would instead have as a theory "they killed riura and then the corpse was taken by that suspicious flying fiend". Again, for Fremy, you're using a posteriori knowledge that the seventh has no way to know before hand. They do not know that one of the brave is the brave killer. So any plan involving to reach 3 deaths of rokka by using that knowledge 'one is the brave killer so she will be killed anyway" is completely VOID. This is worse than Charlotte's level of story telling here. And that one is bad already. A plan requiring you to attack alone someone stronger than you for 1/3rd and requiring a knowledge that you have no way to know for 1/3rd? Outside of killing Adlet everything else is non-nonsensical here. and are you taking Goldof for an idiot? You think that because he has a crush for her, he will not react to her attack? You are clearly underestimating goldof here. By a lot. The guy may be in love, but he's not blind, and he's definitely neither stupid nor slow to react to surprises either. Please i cant post more essays i give up you win. And damn, why didn't I read that before answering. Well it's written now, so can't be helped even if you don't intend to answer. |
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Chiyousagi said: ...... A fog is not the result of temperature DROP. NEVER. Fog formation is when temperature approach a nice number, known as DEW POINT(which essentially refers to the temperature for air to be 100% saturated). This value varies for place to place, and is really not relevant in this case except for judging whether should fog even be able to form naturally. ie Dew point of area is 90C and therefore it is total bullshit to claim fog is forming at that area unless proven temperature of that area also can reach 90C. So back to our RNY universe. I am following exactly the telling of the anime. Obviously the area around the temple has to be naturally fog 24/7, or if not, during the day. Remember the Sun Saint is used to raise the temperature to above what is natural. Let me use arbitrary value just for the sake of example. Dew point of area=25C Natural temp of area surround temple=26C Fiend force Sun Saint to raise temp=32C Now if you kill off the Sun Saint, temp will naturally drop from 32C back to 26C, which is close to dew point and thus fog will form. If Natural temp of area surround temple=10C and you force Sun Saint to raise temp to around 24C, fog will also form. So I hope you understand that fog formation is not due to temperature DROP. As for why the area is naturally fogged, I don't think any further explanation is needed. Killing off Sun Saint means no one is manipulating the temperature anymore thus temp will revert back to default. And the only way for fog to form must be the default temp is suitable for fog formation. As for the rest of your post trying to reason out why there is no conflict in magical fog in an area that is fogged, I never even fault that in the first place. What I said was although everything was made logically, it seems to be forced. Meaning the flow isn't perfect. The thing that seems out of place is why will the Salt Saint do such a thing? Setting it up such when the barrier is activated, a magical fog will form in an area that is already naturally fogged. Like you have observed, there is no difference, precisely because there is already fog over there. So in this case, the whole point of the magical fog appearing was just force in for no reason other then "plot purpose" flannan said: "Dew point" is a function of amount of moisture in the air. By raising temperature, you can get a lot of moisture in the air, thus raising its dew point. Also, at any temperature below dew point, fog will also form, unless the temperature if so cold it will form too quickly and condense into rain or snow. Example: The "steam" raising out of a kettle is in fact fog. It is there because the air is full of moisture (evaporating from the boiling water) and cools faster than it can re-distribute moisture to other air around it. Okay, thanks both of you, I stand corrected. Question : does the dew point varies with the amount of particle in the air then (since it's said that it's easier for the fog to form in those situation). Not only is that a forest, and near the sea, but bombs threw in the air a lot of particles right before it. So wondering exactly in which places does that play. Rising temperature raises also the dew points, alright. Which means that even if the area is usually not fogged, they technically can create flash fog there due to that since it's changing the prerequisites for it to happen. Bu what is the "content' of the air doing in this then? |
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| No, no,no, no. The state of the corpse is found out AFTER the mystery is solved, and is therefore irrelevant for the mystery. If anything, if you want to associate the fact that the corpse is intact to a mystery, then it would be a new mystery " why is the corpse intact" resulting from solviing the previous one. Putting the mystery in a fantasy setting doesn't change the fact that any new surprising stuff coming up AFTER the mystery is already solved doesn't change the fact that the mystery was solved. Except that there is absolutely no reason for the character to solve that second "mystery". They will win nothing from it, and there is a lot of possibilities which can explain that "mystery" as well, so it's not like it's a weird happening. The corpse is intact, there's a lot of possibe reason for it, and they just don't care. And you shouldn't either. But if you want some info, know that later on, some kyouma are shown to be able to swallow alive a human and keep it alive inside them without the human suffocating. That's why I compared the thing around Riura as a placenta. A human can carry another human inside without the human suffocating: that's what every mother do. Yes, they are relied. We didn't see the corpse in detail here. They may be relied in one way or another, that's something some kyouma can do, and that those who can carry a living creature inside them for whatever reason can do. So yeah, while it's absolutely of no interest for the story, there are actually similar cases explained later (when they ARE actually relevant). Riura's case is most probably similar. And as such, peoples like Adlet who studied kyouma aren't even interested in it since it's absolutely banal. Again, from the moment the mystery was solved, any new question you can think about isn't related to the mystery already solved. Adlet was logical enough to find the corpse. The mystery from that moment on is solved. The corpse is intact which allow to convince Mora without waiting. That's good, that means we aren't going to see 12 more episodes of infighting with peoples thinking it's Adlet even thought the mystery is already solved, which would be completely boring to be honest. That's the only difference with a corpse unidentifiable. A solved mystery is a solved mystery. "you been sarcastic for the sake of it. She can shoot a rokka in the ground because he is right in front of her. Sniping a fiend with fog on the air while it is flying is not easy target" The target with its wing would be easily 100 times more surface to hit than a rokka, and it would be slower because starting to fly from the ground. So a slower and 100 times more surface target is still easy to hit. A fiend huge enough to do that needs very large wings (and the fiends above already had very large wings btw) Fremy was able to pinpoint her bullet to target easily 50 meters away in the fog. So a target with hundred more surface could be hit from far further away. It's not like the fog seemed especially thick here. You could still thing pretty well in that fog. So what are you suggesting? To hide the corpse in a tree, BUT to hide it near the other corpse? WHat's the point? I clearly thought that your point was to hide the corpse somewhere else than there, and so it's why I was talking about the stench. If you're going to hide that corpse near the fiends' corpse anyway, why not in the corpse of one of the fiend? It's far better. *Shake head* Sorry, but how can you call that smart? You're a few meters away of a place 10 times better to hide a corpse and you choose to ignore it for... what? Just to show you can do something else even if it's not as good? The fiends choose the best place to hide the corpse, PERIOD. A hollow tree will never be as good as that fiend, and that's so obvious it's not funny. Adlet choose to check first the best place he could think of. BEcause a hollow tree s far more risky. As I said, the rokka were supposed to battle here. Including Mora, who send around tree, and NAshetania, who cut trees as if they were butter. Both of those characters have cut LOTS of trees around the temple with their attack already. Smashing randomly you say ? Didn't you see all those trees being cut and all the places being bombed? Them fighting was the GOAL. Hiding them in a place that may be open by a random attack, it's a joke as a hiding place you know? Fremy's and Adlet's bombs may actually brake that tree as well, which means that 4 of the 7 may actually break the problematic tree with an attack . The chance of it happening with a fiend is far lower. Because that fiend's skin is far more resistant than a hollow tree... laying on top of Riura would mean having Riura outside of the body, so any scout around can see her before she's crushed by the fiend. Once again, while it's not by a lot, you're rising the chance of having them discovered from the start in order to lower the chance of the body being identified afterwards. So what's the point, exactly. That kind of plan was probably in motion months ago. Corrupting the right peoples at the right place and getting all the infos and kidnapping/threatening a saint was definitely something planned far before that. Most probably, far before Adlet appeared in that tournament a few months ago. No need to be seven indeed. But if you read my spoiler, you would know that if Nashetania is the seventh, then Yes, you're right about the fact that killing one wouldn't be a problem since one petal supressed would still bring the same case : they should be 5 left but they are 6". And that's why P.S : can you spoil me something ? Is the 7th a half-fiend or how can it be alive inside the poison. I don't even need a spoiler tag to answer that. Adlet said that the barrier was activated afterwards by the seventh. So the seventh touched the blade. But on the blade, there was no trace of kyouma touching it (that's what proved that Fremy wasn't the seventh). So whoever the seventh is neither half fiend, not completely a fiend, but a human. And I insist on this. No matter what the answer will be next time, no matter what happen. If a half kyouma touched the blade in the altar, it would have left a mark. Furthermore, if the seventh is a saint, a fiend cannot be saint, either. (that's why they used Fremy to create one, obviously, because a half fiend can be saint). Also, Fremy is the only half fiend in the world, and this probably forever. Her existence herself is an insult to the order of thing, a pure product of something that shouldn't be allowed to happen. Fiends are born from the demon god, they don't reproduce themselves. They are born hating humans, and loving their mother. That's automatic. Fiends can evolve, sure, but it require their will. And they cannot wish to evolve for being able to copulate with something they hate. Same on the other side. No matter what kind of monsterfillia, there should be no way a human want to copulate with a fiend. This shouldn't be possible. As such, even thought it happened once, there is no way a second half fiend exist. There is not even a chance on 10,000,000 for this to happen again, let alone for it to happen around the same time in history. However, it is exact that the seventh |
ZefyrisSep 16, 2015 2:20 PM
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| Zefyris you telling that Adlet was 7 scapegoat yes i will admit that's true but Adlet was a plan b to be a scapegoat in fiends plans .. in my opinion in the fiends plans they want to make scapegoat another brave Mora . She receive a key from Lauren ( he even told Fremy/Adlet that Mora has the only key something around 3 times :P ) to open the temple however the wild card has appeared ( Hans) but that time fiends switch to plan b and took action ( it wasn't possible for fiends to use now Mora because Hans would know that she didn't do that ) . But if Mora was alone and make to the temple before Adlet then she would be fuck up :P once the 7 tell about the doors ... of course it's only my opinion /theory can be far away from true . |
| Adlet was a far better scapegoat than Mora. Hence killing him would be bad. |
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Zefyris said: i've never say that it would be good move it would be bad because of petal disappeared after brave death ( Mora and Nash point that out ) i just wanted to point that Mora was candidate for scapegoat .. but so far we don't know what the fake crest is and how much it's similar to real crest i mean :Adlet was a far better scapegoat than Mora. Hence killing him would be bad. -protect from poison ? -there's a posibility that petal can be gone from fake crest as well . And even if only fake crest protecting from poison how it was create/obtain. i doubt that it can be create even only for protecting from poison so only one answer comes to my mind but it's somehow stupid because we have been told that crest slowly disappears ( but considering who told that it might be lie if she is who i think ) . i'm overthinking sry :D |
| YEs I know you didn't say that. And yes I agree that if Nashetania is the fake, then Mora was probably the original candidate for scapegoat. That sounds logical. The crest isn't made to slowly disappear. The crest system protect them until the end of their mission. Unless you mean one petal disappearing each time a rokka dies by that, obviously. But that doesn't affect its effectiveness. |
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| you could spoil that part about 7 since as i know you read a LN :P ...need to get to LN after anime end to much question in my head .. Edit:nope i mean the crest that will fade away after Demon god is slayed . If this info was lie then it would possible for fiends to obtain crest from the braves they kill 300 years ago.but only assuming it was a lie .. |
ViciLockhartSep 16, 2015 3:29 PM
| Well it's a "if" as I said. If it's nashetania, then that would make Mora a potential scapegoat. But if it's mora, it obviously doesn't work~ :] ViciLockhart said: Edit:nope i mean the crest that will fade away after Demon god is slayed . If this info was lie then it would possible for fiends to obtain crest from the braves they kill 300 years ago.but only assuming it was a lie .. AFAIK, someone who get killed lose its crest completely. SOy ou can't take it from a dead ROkka from 300 years ago. As for those still alive, AFAIK the crest isn't supposed to remain after it has severed its purpose either. If that info was a lie, then they could have used that tactic about an extra brave 300 years ago already. |
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Zefyris said: +1 ;D i have seen what i wanted :P ..Well it's a "if" as I said. If it's nashetania, then that would make Mora And now you corner me to the point that i have no idea/theory about fake crest ..;/ |
| You're not supposed to have a proper theory about the crest that soon honestly. It's not that it's impossible actually, but that would be a wild guess without any proper back up. Some of the stuff which happened about the crest are quite surprising after all. |
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| Well the crest isn't the only thing i don't know 2 random things : -Why Fremy didn't have as a target Mora ( well maybe Mora was after Chamo on list ) -How Mora and Fremy are involved in the incident that have place in Adlet village . But still much thing i don't know will be trigger for me to pick up Novel and enjoying reading it so giving much hints and few answers works for the sake of this show :P .. |
| Damn cliffhanger |
"I have been wielding a blade since before your were swimming around your father's scrotum." - Kurou |
| Lmao the length of this thread is too damn high! I'm glad Rokka is finally receiving the recognition it deserves, though. |
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Zefyris said: fog science Okay, thanks both of you, I stand corrected. Question : does the dew point varies with the amount of particle in the air then (since it's said that it's easier for the fog to form in those situation). Not only is that a forest, and near the sea, but bombs threw in the air a lot of particles right before it. So wondering exactly in which places does that play. Rising temperature raises also the dew points, alright. Which means that even if the area is usually not fogged, they technically can create flash fog there due to that since it's changing the prerequisites for it to happen. Bu what is the "content' of the air doing in this then? 1) The only weather-manipulation technique involving spreading something in the air that I know is inducing rain by "seeding" clouds with particles that serve as condensation centers and cause fog to become rain. 2) At a first glance, it doesn't seem that adding anything to air will meaningfully decrease its ability to retain water vapor. If you really want to, your best bet is adding water. 3) Weather manipulation not involving magic is most likely beyond the reach of pseudo-medieval world science. They have neither the theory, nor the resource base for the massive experimentation necessary. So I don't think bombs had any fog-inducing effect. Dariamus said: By raising the temperature, you raise the amount of moisture in the air, increasing the dew point. Given this is a swamp, the extra moisture is readily available. From my knowledge of geography, the area is very unlikely to be a swamp. But with sea, forest and streams in it, it should be quite moist. |
NeutralSide said: Still this anime is weird. It started out as a JRPG plot then turned into a mystery in an enclosed area. I don't even know what's gonna happen next after this? Back to trying to defeat the Demon God? From mystery to Jrpg plot again. So weird. Worry not, it will have some more mysteries later on. They aren't closed room mysteries, and my knowledge of mysteries isn't good enough to classify them. Demons love scheming and cunning plans. Also, there is nothing in RnY that makes is specifically a "JRPG", not just "epic fantasy". |
NoongaJuice said: Well some people will pick it up after it finish i think .. Also we will see how much ppl will pick up LN after this ( i will definitely) but most can just read summaries of each Volume and leave it .Lmao the length of this thread is too damn high! I'm glad Rokka is finally receiving the recognition it deserves, though. |
| Great episode I am wondering what the fog does exactly? I thought it confuse them so they can't find the way out but we saw bunny and goldof on the edge of the barrier so what stops them from getting out? |
"When /a/ sends its fags, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending fags that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing cancer. They’re bringing bait. They’re shitposters. And some, I assume, are good fags." -@Xinil |
InstaKiller said: Maybe barrier stopping them ? :P .. Barriers from definition prevents from anything get out and in so when the barrier was up they can't leave even when they stand at the edge .As for the fog the first one that show up was a normal fog that the only purpose was to make braves think that a barrier was activated ( explained in this episode ) .Great episode I am wondering what the fog does exactly? I thought it confuse them so they can't find the way out but we saw bunny and goldof on the edge of the barrier so what stops them from getting out? |
InstaKiller said: Great episode I am wondering what the fog does exactly? I thought it confuse them so they can't find the way out but we saw bunny and goldof on the edge of the barrier so what stops them from getting out? 1) Barrier only disrupts their sense of direction when they attempt to leave. 2) Nashetania and Goldof weren't stated to be near the edge of the barrier at any point. They were near Mora and Hans' hideout (which might be near the edge of the barrier), and they were on a beach (which wasn't, because the edge of the barrier was partially over the sea). |
ViciLockhart said: InstaKiller said: Maybe barrier stopping them ? :P .. Barriers from definition prevents from anything get out and in so when the barrier was up they can't leave even when they stand at the edge .As for the fog the first one that show up was a normal fog that the only purpose was to make braves think that a barrier was activated ( explained in this episode ) .Great episode I am wondering what the fog does exactly? I thought it confuse them so they can't find the way out but we saw bunny and goldof on the edge of the barrier so what stops them from getting out? I don't like the answer "it works because it works" We saw adlet and hans scouting around after the activation and they end up doing circles so it's heavily implied that fog has special properties that prevents them of finding the edge and yet bunny and goldof found the edge somehow and they still can't get out, what stops them? Is fog they can pass through it or at least try and see what happens |
"When /a/ sends its fags, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending fags that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing cancer. They’re bringing bait. They’re shitposters. And some, I assume, are good fags." -@Xinil |
InstaKiller said: ViciLockhart said: Maybe barrier stopping them ? :P .. Barriers from definition prevents from anything get out and in so when the barrier was up they can't leave even when they stand at the edge .As for the fog the first one that show up was a normal fog that the only purpose was to make braves think that a barrier was activated ( explained in this episode ) . I don't like the answer "it works because it works" We saw adlet and hans scouting around after the activation and they end up doing circles so it's heavily implied that fog has special properties that prevents them of finding the edge and yet bunny and goldof found the edge somehow and they still can't get out, what stops them? Is fog they can pass through it or at least try and see what happens The fog had nothing to do with them getting lost, I assume that was an effect of the barrier. |
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geralt said: The fog had nothing to do with them getting lost, I assume that was an effect of the barrier. What? The fog is the barrier |
"When /a/ sends its fags, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re sending fags that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing cancer. They’re bringing bait. They’re shitposters. And some, I assume, are good fags." -@Xinil |
InstaKiller said: ViciLockhart said: Maybe barrier stopping them ? :P .. Barriers from definition prevents from anything get out and in so when the barrier was up they can't leave even when they stand at the edge .As for the fog the first one that show up was a normal fog that the only purpose was to make braves think that a barrier was activated ( explained in this episode ) . I don't like the answer "it works because it works" We saw adlet and hans scouting around after the activation and they end up doing circles so it's heavily implied that fog has special properties that prevents them of finding the edge and yet bunny and goldof found the edge somehow and they still can't get out, what stops them? Is fog they can pass through it or at least try and see what happens Illusion Fog Barrier is a magical barrier that either feels their attempts to cross it or their desire to cross it, and then messes with their sense of direction and/or sight, making them incapable of walking across it no matter how hard they try to, and how simple it looks. For example, There is a character in Ranma 1/2 (Ryouga) who has a similar effect as a permanent disability. Except he is very persistent, and eventually gets where he set out to go, but with Illusion Fog Barrier it won't work, because there is no chance to take the right path. |
 InstaKiller yeah i agree with you that explanation " it works because it works " is cheap but we haven't got any information from anime how the barrier works except " it will be impossible to enter or leave the fog/barrier" so we can only guess how it works . The barrier but in alone purpose should be preventing from enter/exiting ( that's the barriers we all know ) by mess with sense of direction , visible/invisible wall i once saw a barrier that teleport anyone who want leave to the center of the barrier .. what type of barrier is this we haven't been told exactly unfortunately. we only know that the one who help create it was Saint of illusion so messing up with senses to prevents from leaving /enter it's most logical choice |
ViciLockhartSep 17, 2015 5:57 AM
| I don't think it is the right place to ask, Lelazzo. |
| Woow, really started to hate nashetania in this episode, great episode overall! |
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