| By the title, do you mean the adaption from light novel to anime was poorly done or they're just bad because your opinion? |
| most of them for original source ads. so, aslong they done, it's done. but PeripheralVision said: is not. it's anime is also made for it own profit.Noucome, NGNL, Oreimo, Rail Wars, The Familiar of Zero, Henneko, Haganai, SAO, and these are just the ones I've seen. |
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| Untalented authors pandering to popular audiences on a tight and rushed schedule write lazy mediocre fiction that's only appealing on a skin deep level and will be forgotten within the decade. When writers are required to write something every week/month in order to meet deadlines, it's not surprising that what they write is rushed, lazy, and sophomoric. Especially if they haven't thought that far in advance and find themselves scrambling to find excuses to keep the story alive. |
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| It's not the adaptations fault though if the source materials are bad. Most light novels are wish fulfillment crap and when it's not it's usually stuff that is very hard to translate into anime like internal monologues or long conversation/explanations. I stopped looking forward to light novel adaptations even those that are hyped by readers because those still ended up being shit. |
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Red_Keys said: When writers are required to write something every week/month in order to meet deadlines, it's not surprising that what they write is rushed, lazy, and sophomoric. Especially if they haven't thought that far in advance and find themselves scrambling to find excuses to keep the story alive. That's manga, not novels. While they have deadlines as well when a series is being published, it's at the very least 4 months between 2 book of a series, most of the time it's more. and a lot of author are not respecting deadlines among novel writers. It's not as strict as manga since there is no magazine that need to be filled. IF they're 2 months or even one years late, the book is simply published late, no other consequences. |
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| I disagree. I think there's a wide volume of LNs out there that get a lot of face time (SAO for instance) and get a lot of hate, so the natural tendency is for people to say that LN adaptations are bad. That being said...I think there are a lot of great LN adaptations. I think people forget anime like Juuni Kouki, Beast Master Erin, Seirei no Moribito, Kino no Tabi, Baccano, Durarara, and others are all adaptations from light novels and I find all of them incredibly engaging and interesting shows. I believe confirmation bias is one of the reasons why we are so misled to believe that LN adaptations are bad. |
Zefyris said: Besides their paycheckIF they're 2 months or even one years late, the book is simply published late, no other consequences. |
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masterofgo said: The Monogatari adaptations is worth a mention tooThat being said...I think there are a lot of great LN adaptations. I think people forget anime like Juuni Kouki, Beast Master Erin, Seirei no Moribito, Kino no Tabi, Baccano, Durarara, and others are all adaptations from light novels and I find all of them incredibly engaging and interesting shows. |
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Red_Keys said: Zefyris said: Besides their paycheckIF they're 2 months or even one years late, the book is simply published late, no other consequences. Yes, but that's the author's problem. Lots of authors have another job outside of being an author since living only from the books you're writting is difficult when you're not selling a lot. You have authors who clearly favor quantity over quality and clearly publish a lot knowing that will still sell (like Index' author) but they aren't that common. Mostly because most authors simply don't have the popularity necessary for them to sell no matter what. You have a lot of authors who take the time they need too. Even among popular ones, like NGNL's author who was almost one year late for his 7th volume. He rewrote 5 times the volume until he was satisfied. Just like any media, you have poorly written novels not because of deadlines, but because like in anime media, you have talented peoples and then there's the others. And the talented peoples aren't always those who sells, too. And if the talented peoples don't sell, they can't leave from writing alone, just like the others. |
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| It's just you OP. |
PoeticJustice said: nigga i am black, do you think my ass would fit in? "Oh look it is negro kun." Hell no. |
Suikomaru said: masterofgo said: The Monogatari adaptations is worth a mention tooThat being said...I think there are a lot of great LN adaptations. I think people forget anime like Juuni Kouki, Beast Master Erin, Seirei no Moribito, Kino no Tabi, Baccano, Durarara, and others are all adaptations from light novels and I find all of them incredibly engaging and interesting shows. You could add a lot like Spice & wolf, Saiunkoku monogatari, the currently airing Rokka no Yuusha, and so on. But recently most novel adaptation are extremely rushed, besides a few exception. This doesn't help to see the standard becoming 4-6 novels per cour, it's awfully cut to pieces in order to fit in such a small time spawn. |
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| I think the problem is more with the source material or rather more specifically there is a glut of adaptations to promote the source material so lots of mediocre series get adapted. |
| In objective fact, they are poorly done often because they leave out details or cut out scenes possibly crucial, making some things not make sense, seem awkward, or like an asspull. Not just in Light Novels, any real type of story adaption can be poorly done if details are not conveyed properly. This is why 12 episode adaptions are generally a bad idea. With a higher episode count, you have more time to convey the story properly and don't have to worry as much about condensing the narrative. Which, if you are interested in making an adaptation, is what you should be doing in the first place. |
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Isterio said: That's when a little thing called "talent" comes in handy.Red_Keys said: Untalented authors pandering to popular audiences on a tight and rushed schedule write lazy mediocre fiction that's only appealing on a skin deep level and will be forgotten within the decade. When writers are required to write something every week/month in order to meet deadlines, it's not surprising that what they write is rushed, lazy, and sophomoric. Especially if they haven't thought that far in advance and find themselves scrambling to find excuses to keep the story alive. And yet you have Death Note in your favorites that literally had to go through the same deadline process and didn´t end the way the Author wanted it because he had to extend the story out of company pressure. And nonono don´t come with the excuse of exceptions exist, because there are shitloads of series who deliver the same amount of creativity appeal and thought process behind their work, if not more with the same deadlines. Since those authors don´t share the work of writing and drawing like the Dethnote team, which lessens their work. |
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| A HUGE lot of anime out there are LN adaptations. With that in mind, it's pretty obvious that there will be a lot of mediocre adaptations. I think you're just looking at the wrong places, OP. |
| Yes. Yahari is the most recent crap I just watched. |
PeripheralVision said: >6 is mediocreI'm watching the Devil is a Part Timer and so far it's going into maybe 7 territory. By mediocre I mean my 6s and below. Jesus. |
Isterio said: The Hunger Games is better than Battle Royale.Zefyris said: Just like any media, you have poorly written novels not because of deadlines, but because like in anime media, you have talented peoples and then there's the others. And the talented peoples aren't always those who sells, too. And if the talented peoples don't sell, they can't leave from writing alone, just like the others. Yes or you have the peoples who just go ripoff twillights and write a battle Royale for teenager, with some 7th grade philosphy and a girl as the protagonists. So that all the gamergate bitches can shove it deep into their hairy "free bleeding" you know what, for the sake of saving the world of this men dominated society who kills and rapes women for fun. So that some japanese motherfucker can go to the cinema and say to himself. OKKAAAY, I likd Moviiiiii. So I´m gonna write what happen in Movviii in my story so that peoples will like Sao 5 because it is like Movvii although no consistensiieee. |
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HighKing77 said: xbobx said: A HUGE lot of anime out there are LN adaptations. With that in mind, it's pretty obvious that there will be a lot of mediocre adaptations. I think you're just looking at the wrong places, OP. Are you not concerned? It has been like that for ages. |
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PeripheralVision said: 5 is "average", MAL even has it right next to the number.Mediocre means average, though you do make a point that perhaps it is not the best word to use, but I stand by it. |
HighKing77 said: xbobx said: A HUGE lot of anime out there are LN adaptations. With that in mind, it's pretty obvious that there will be a lot of mediocre adaptations. I think you're just looking at the wrong places, OP. Are you not concerned? It does not seems worth it. Looks like it's a new trend going on within the cool kids. PeripheralVision said: xbobx said: A HUGE lot of anime out there are LN adaptations. With that in mind, it's pretty obvious that there will be a lot of mediocre adaptations. I think you're just looking at the wrong places, OP. I just realize I never watched Juuni Kouki, Beast Master Erin, Seirei no Moribito, Kino no Tabi. Lets be fair, there are 10k animes out there, and perhaps 7k seperate franchises. (Don't quote me on this.) After around Rank 4k we get into the 6s. That's a pretty tell tale sign that there most animes are mediocre. Yep. I actually did the math once in a thread. It's like this for every medium, you just need to find the good chocolate stuff and ignore the shitty taste-like-Styrofoam frosting that comes together. Just don't generalize stuff. Generalizations are bad :| |
Red_Keys said: Untalented authors pandering to popular audiences on a tight and rushed schedule write lazy mediocre fiction that's only appealing on a skin deep level and will be forgotten within the decade. When writers are required to write something every week/month in order to meet deadlines, it's not surprising that what they write is rushed, lazy, and sophomoric. Especially if they haven't thought that far in advance and find themselves scrambling to find excuses to keep the story alive. I really enjoyed Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria. For a LN (or for fiction for that matter) it was actually pretty good. |
TonyTheme said: PeripheralVision said: 5 is "average", MAL even has it right next to the number.Mediocre means average, though you do make a point that perhaps it is not the best word to use, but I stand by it. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mediocre pls |
PeripheralVision said: Something can be overall average and still somewhat enjoyable, you just said so. That kind of defeats the purpose of your personal rating scale, but you can do whatever you want. I use my own rating scale. 6 is the lowest enjoyable score for me. It's a cop out rating for me when I enjoy something not good at all. I'm missing a point here. Zergneedsfood said: It's all right. A lot of people love it.I mean if we're going to be perfectly blunt, Battle Royale is not really good either. |
HighKing77 said: It's never worth it. Was you actually concerned in the first place? Perhaps concerned was a poor choice. I should've worded that as "it keeps surprising me that people still do this at the current day and age, with the basic grammatical knowledge that comes free with the access to an internet connection" but then considered "goddammit I had forgotten there's a lot of kids on these forums". I'm afraid there ain't a synonym for that. |
| More often then not an anime is used to advertise the light novel with 0 intention on finishing it unless it sells realy well. So sometimes you get half assed adaptations. You also cant make a good adaptation when the source material wasnt good to begin with |
| The publishers have picked up a bad habit, all ln adaptations are now cheap advertisements unless they sell REALLY good. BUT Thanks to based Madhouse that is changing, a lot of their ln adaptations sell great. |
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| I definitely agree with you, light novels (including adapations) have some of the worst endings to tell especially in the romance department. Watched Oreimo, literally cried on how bad the ending was. Watched Haganai and continued on to read the light novel, and wanted to break my computer. Watched SAO, loved it, the first season that is. Went downhill since the secnd season arrived, read the light novels and died of boredom. Lastly, read Mashoku Tensei and wanted to was so dissapointed by the outcome, that l've decided to stray from them. Light novels are the worst, don't read them. I expect Yahari Ore no Seishun wa Machigatteiru to be joining the list of horrible LNs. Lord have mercy on these stories. |
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| ONE WORD. Monogatari.    ^Nuff said... |
| I have no idea why the hell was this thread resurrected, but here's my opinion: PeripheralVision said: Noucome, NGNL, Oreimo, Rail Wars, The Familiar of Zero, Henneko, Haganai, SAO, and these are just the ones I've seen. Most of these are pretty damn good! Especially Haganai and SAO. Ignore the elitist snobs who don't like them. |
_LorDNiCo_ said: I definitely agree with you, light novels (including adapations) have some of the worst endings to tell especially in the romance department. Watched Oreimo, literally cried on how bad the ending was. Watched Haganai and continued on to read the light novel, and wanted to break my computer. Watched SAO, loved it, the first season that is. Went downhill since the secnd season arrived, read the light novels and died of boredom. Lastly, read Mashoku Tensei and wanted to was so dissapointed by the outcome, that l've decided to stray from them. Light novels are the worst, don't read them. I expect Yahari Ore no Seishun wa Machigatteiru to be joining the list of horrible LNs. Lord have mercy on these stories. More like, your ability to properly pick novels that you would enjoy indeed appears to be the worst. I have no problem picking light novel I enjoy and that left me satisfied even at the end of them. Oh, I makes some mistakes here and there, but they're fairly rare so it's fine. Sucks to be you, I'd say. |
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| Not only you, a lot of light novel adaptation are mediocre, some are very good though like Fate/Zero even excellent. |
Finally an honest Monogatari fan :) |
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