Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers (light novel)
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belial said: @L-Ryoshi: Also that point was for Nashetanya to get to the temple and Chamot being already there, not to the sneaking in possibility. If Chamot was the prime suspect she would probably kill some braves just from being falsely accused. Also I doubt that Chamo would let the bunny girl play around on the altar PS - All this to conclude that yes, if the bunny girl is the fake, she needed Adlet alive beast_regards said: L-Ryoshi said: Eh? So you denounce Chamo simply because it's too obvious? No. I denounce Chamo because Moira must cover for her in order to be successful. (alternative is that Moira is complete idiot, trolling genie or both) Only person who behaved like idiot was Nashetania, like "look at me, I am idiotic little princess smashing things so just trust the head priestess over there saying it's normal ... and forgetting to say things because you don't ask her right questions." I'm sorry, but you're making less and less sense. Why would Mora have to be an idiot for Chamo to be able to pull off the deed? I feel like you're all assuming that Chamo is some sort of simple idiot who can't put two thoughts together here, and needs special treatment just to function in life. I don't see why you guys are discounting her abilities so easily. And yes, all this time I have been talking about the sneaking in possibility. |
L-RyoshiAug 11, 2015 5:08 PM
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| Sneaking in possibility is taken out of question if it's not a saint with teleport or stealth ability. Also like stated before, for Chamo to kill the fiend after it ran and be the 4th entering the temple she could not "sneak in", also she has no abilities to pull it off. She has no motive She has no reason to do an overcomplicated plan and would never try that approach unless she was told to, even if she did do it, Maura would be the fake as she is covering for her. Also, she CAN'T be the fake as she is the strongest of the saint. Dunno why you are still trying to force something so illogical. Edit: worded it badly =p |
belialAug 11, 2015 5:56 PM
belial said: She has no motive We don't know anything about anyone, they could all have a motive. Flamie for instance has said she wants to be the one to kill the demon king, but could easily be lying. Even Adlet might have a motive. Maybe he wants to be the strongest man in the world... to team up with the demon king and wreak his revenge on the kingdom that killed his parents! We haven't seen enough flashbacks yet to be sure. The only reason we KNOW it isn't Adlet is because we saw him get his mark, we know it isn't fake, and we have to assume the Goddess doesn't select bad people because if she does it would already have been game over. |
| I worded it poorly. I meant if she was siding with the demon god she wouldn't do it with a complicated setting like this when she could simply kill every brave one by one. Also if she is the strongest saint, she can't be the fake. Even if she was collaborating with the fake (assuming Maura) the plan would be very simple to execute instead of going for a locked room setting. |
belial said: Sneaking in possibility is taken out of question if it's not a saint with teleport or stealth ability. Also like stated before, for Chamo to kill the fiend after it ran and be the 4th entering the temple she could not "sneak in", also she has no abilities to pull it off. She has no motive She has no reason to do an overcomplicated plan and would never try that approach unless she was told to, even if she did do it, Maura would be the fake as she is covering for her. Also, she CAN'T be the fake as she is the strongest of the saint. Dunno why you are still trying to force something so illogical. Edit: worded it badly =p First, you're assuming that the sneaking in is out of the question because no one has shown an ability that would allow them to sneak in, but just how many people's abilities have not been shown yet? Have you seen Chamo perform a single attack yet? Have you seen Mora use her abilities? Heck, all you've seen of Goldov is his ability to use that broadsword. That doesn't mean he, or any of the others, don't have other abilities. All it means is that those abilities have not been shown yet. There could still be some person (or persons) with abilities that would allow them to perform the sneaking in. It's just that it hasn't been shown yet. The only thing we know is that Mora stated that none of the "Saints" have the ability to sneak into the temple before Adlet blasted the door. That is all. I don't understand your obsession with teleportation and stealth just to sneak into the temple. Just because we have limited broadcast time, and the director made it seem like Adlet stood there for all of thirty seconds staring at the fog before running back towards the temple, you assume that 30 seconds was all the time he actually took standing there. You can only assume this, you don't know how much time he actually took before running back towards the temple, all we know is that it wasn't immediate. Ergo you don't know just how much time had passed between him observing the fiend fleeing and him finally snapping out of his trance and running back towards the temple. No one even brought this point up, because they were all suspicious of Adlet and disapproving of his incorrect assumption that the barrier had been activated BEFORE he blasted the door open. Also, Adlet had no time to suggest the theory of someone sneaking in, because he was already panicking and accusing others of being the traitor by then, just before Goldov attacked him and all hell broke loose. And I don't know how many times I've repeated this. Just because Chamo is the strongest and hence is a real Rokka, is not mutually exclusive from the fact that she could still be a traitor (just not the 7th). Like Sokah said, we don't have sufficient information for everyone right now, hence anyone could have a motive. Apart from what we've seen from Adlet's point of view being (what we would assume to be) real, you cannot just denounce any of the others as not possibly being a suspect. For all we know Chamo's parents are being held hostage and she's doing things against her will. We simply don't have sufficient information at this point in the series to know everything. Are you sure that you have seen Chamo enough to deduce her true character, aside for the fact that she appears to enjoy inflicting pain on others, I can't say I really know all that much about her right now. Based purely on the limited scenes that we have seen, how can you be so sure as to how complicated her character is. For all we know she is putting on an act in front of others, and her true character is entirely different. Same could be said for almost every other character here. You assume the soldier is lying by watching just one scene of him in it, yet we've only been introduced to some of the Braves for less than 3 episodes (less considering how much screen time and dialogue they actually get), and you already assume that their characters are genuine and set in stone already? That doesn't make sense to me. There's a seventh Brave, and if Adlet's guess is correct, there is an accomplice, meaning one of the true Rokkas may have turned traitor (against their will or not), instead of a mysterious assumed "8th" person. Tell me this, if we aren't sure of what Chamo's true character is thus far, then how could you assume that she does not have the ability to pull of an intricate plan, especially considering as you assume that someone else (Mora) was pulling the strings? Also, if she really is as simple as you make her out to be, doing something outside of her normal characteristics would help to save her from persecution, because no one would suspect her of doing something completely opposite of her character trope, no? Again, I'm not saying it absolutely must be Chamo. All I'm trying to say is that to discount any possibilities purely based on "lameness" or "doesn't fit with character" would be foolish at this point because we only met the entire cast at the very end of episode 4, so we've only known them for 2 episodes. Can you truly say that you've figured out each and every single Rokka's characteristics entirely already? Especially when we know for a fact that one ore more of them could be lying/hiding something/not what they seem? I don't know about you, but personally I can't. I can' only make assumptions based on what the anime has shown. Anything that is not absolutely impossible could still be the true answer. |
L-RyoshiAug 12, 2015 1:21 AM
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| Nachetania can control swords so it should be easy for her to have put the sword in the altar. She's the only one "on Adlet's side" to draw more suspicion towards him and make Goldov dislike him more. Adlet's been with Flamie for most of the series so rather than rule of first making Nachetania Adlet's love interest, she's probably the villain |
NineThousandOne said: Nachetania can control swords so it should be easy for her to have put the sword in the altar. She's the only one "on Adlet's side" to draw more suspicion towards him and make Goldov dislike him more. Adlet's been with Flamie for most of the series so rather than rule of first making Nachetania Adlet's love interest, she's probably the villain She cannot control swords. She can materialise blades and then have complete control what she materialised. That's completely different. If she could control blades that aren't her own, she could just disarm hans and goldof and Adlet in episode 6 without moving from her place, talk about overpowered. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Why would Mora have to be an idiot for Chamo to be able to pull off the deed? Whenever power and abilities of the saints come to the question, it is Moira who is expected to give a testimony on the matter, while there is no way to confirm why Moira saying is truth. When it comes to Chamo's abilities, Moira is the one you would ask. When Adlet starts accusing Chamo she could've tunnelled into the temple, it is Moira who said it wouldn't be possible. But what if Chamo was indeed able to sneak into the temple and get out in the matter of 30 seconds? As far we can tell, there is a possibility she is that good. And who would you ask to find out? Of course, you would ask Moira! And unless Moira does have a personality of the trolling genie that abuses an exact words, she would have say straight away that Chamo isn't a mole, but she is fast and sneaky enough to activate the barrier. Because that is something a real hero would do. Not hiding the truth, but speaking the truth, even if "wrong question" has been asked. On the point where round of suspition would come to Chamo, Moira would have easily said that "Chamo wouldn't be able to tunnel in, but she would be able to sneak in anytime once you blasted the door". Because you didn't ask a right question? If Chamo indeed does have the ability, there is no point of hiding. Or would Moira hide the Chamo's ability only because you didn't ask the right question? No one in right mind would abuse the exact words in situation like this unless (s)he is an accomplice. Or do you have any other reason why Moira would cover for Chamo? |
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beast_regards said: L-Ryoshi said: Why would Mora have to be an idiot for Chamo to be able to pull off the deed? Whenever power and abilities of the saints come to the question, it is Moira who is expected to give a testimony on the matter, while there is no way to confirm why Moira saying is truth. When it comes to Chamo's abilities, Moira is the one you would ask. When Adlet starts accusing Chamo she could've tunnelled into the temple, it is Moira who said it wouldn't be possible. But what if Chamo was indeed able to sneak into the temple and get out in the matter of 30 seconds? As far we can tell, there is a possibility she is that good. And who would you ask to find out? Of course, you would ask Moira! And unless Moira does have a personality of the trolling genie that abuses an exact words, she would have say straight away that Chamo isn't a mole, but she is fast and sneaky enough to activate the barrier. Because that is something a real hero would do. Not hiding the truth, but speaking the truth, even if "wrong question" has been asked. On the point where round of suspition would come to Chamo, Moira would have easily said that "Chamo wouldn't be able to tunnel in, but she would be able to sneak in anytime once you blasted the door". Because you didn't ask a right question? If Chamo indeed does have the ability, there is no point of hiding. Or would Moira hide the Chamo's ability only because you didn't ask the right question? No one in right mind would abuse the exact words in situation like this unless (s)he is an accomplice. Or do you have any other reason why Moira would cover for Chamo? My simple answer would be: Mora doesn't know of an ability that Chamo acquired after her training with Mora. Mora may be the trainer of Saints, and may be well versed in Saint lore and abilities, but what if the ability isn't something related to the Saints, but to Chamo herself. Then there's the possibility that if she were indeed working for the Demons, the ability was something acquired/learned from them instead. That would be a simple explanation as to why Mora wouldn't know of that ability, no? Mora could be answering in the negative using the knowledge that she has of Chamo's "Saint abilities", but there could also be things that she does not know about Chamo as well. |
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L-Ryoshi said: Then there's the possibility that if she were indeed working for the Demons, the ability was something acquired/learned from them instead. Fair enough. Your theory basically imply that Demon God (either himself or by proxy) is able to bestow their own version of blessing on humans, giving them some special abilities and thus create "anti-rokka" (for lack of better terms) in the process. Nothing in the show implies that this theory is impossible. I do agree with your reasoning except the one thing ... But how do you know that Adlet did received a genuine blessing from the goddess and not from the Demon God? Your theory implies that both sides can now get champions (and obviously, Demon's Rokka got the mark too) |
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darboux said: 2)That mechanism works like this : once the door seems to be opened without the key like adlet blew it up the guards immediately activate the barrier. I thought this at first, but there was no suspicion or questions about how Adlet was able to get in the temple. Also, if it was true there would be no need for a fake, as the 6 would be trapped there without any way of deactivating the barrier ever. As for @L-Ryoshi, we already discussed everything about that. if it was Chamo (activating the barrier), Maura is the fake, and Chamo can't be the fake, so stop trying to find ways to make Chamo the fake, you are wasting your time imo. |
belialAug 12, 2015 8:34 AM
L-Ryoshi said: Fourthly, going back, I found that it was truly Nashetania who spoke up about the barrier being activated. You are correct in this instance. However, before they even arrived, Adlet had already spoke up saying that the barrier had already been activated. Now how would he know that it had been activated by just looking at the altar and the walls? I am not sure, but if it hadn't already been activated by then, then why would Adlet say so? In short: How would HE know? I guess he has seen the sword in the altar, not lying nearby, and thought that somebody did activate the barrier. |
| You guys are speculating too much on the theories and most are to a point where their stupidity have gone 9000% higher than normal and some arrogant pricks retaliating some theories with their useless opinions of the anime are making it worse for the people who really want to discuss. If you feel offended, then you're one of them. I will now lay hints: 1)It has been proven that there was too few time for someone to sneak in when Adlet bombed the door and fought the guards. Are you looking at the correct time to activate the barrier? Take a look back and think a bit more out of the box. 2)Don't understimate Chamo. How you want to interpret this will help you in finding the 7th, or possible "8th" which Adlet mentioned. 3)Nashetania can only control swords she created. The seal of the Temple was done more than 4 years ago(considering that the last Saint of Seal died 4 years ago, it was almost impossible for Nashetania to know such plan and create a sword to put it in the altar). So the theories regarding her controlling the blades are wrong, but doesn't makes her less suspicious. 4)Mora can talk in behalf of Chamo's powers because as she mentioned, she knows all of the Saints and their abilities(potential). Kyouma-born Saints like Fremy are an exception(which is kinda obvious on why she didn't knew.) 5)There's no fake scenes in the anime. All you saw is real. No scene is fake. I will mention it once: this isn't a cheap mystery adaptation. 6)Don't exclude Adlet. I mean, give it the benefit of doubt, it is the best option. For now, this should be enough to have a hang of what is leading to the 7th. Some have posted the right 7th but their theories aren't facts and can't be backup by what we have seen. Will be fun seeing more theories that don't follow the normal ("...") template. |
| @ValhasDrew: Everything you said aligns with what me and darboux have said. As for "fake" we mean the fake brave, no one talked about "fake scenes". I exclude Adlet as it would be a cheap of a twist as it was discussed on ep5 thread I think. Your 2nd point seems like a spoiler, if you read the LN you shouldn't be commenting here. Also, we didn't underestimate chamo, we did the opposite, we are assuming she is too strong to need such a complex plan. Also as the strongest saint she can't be the fake brave Edit: darboux said: If there was no fake then prolly they would not kill each other.The whole thing started because there were 7 of them meaning that 1 of them was on demon king's side.Or something like that dunno^^ They would still be all trapped, so whoever activated it would be helping the demon god, no? |
belialAug 12, 2015 11:43 AM
belial said: Actually, I haven't read the last pages but previous pages which shut down theories that had valid points and were back up with stupid facts.@ValhasDrew: Everything you said aligns with what me and darboux have said. As for "fake" we mean the fake brave, no one talked about "fake scenes". I exclude Adlet as it would be a cheap of a twist as it was discussed on ep5 thread I think. Your 2nd point seems like a spoiler, if you read the LN you shouldn't be commenting here. Also, we didn't underestimate chamo, we did the opposite, we are assuming she is too strong to need such a complex plan. Also as the strongest saint she can't be the fake brave Edit: darboux said: If there was no fake then prolly they would not kill each other.The whole thing started because there were 7 of them meaning that 1 of them was on demon king's side.Or something like that dunno^^ They would still be all trapped, so whoever activated it would be helping the demon god, no? In other words, I didn't target those at you or the other guy. It is my first time seeing you around here so it is unlikely it was target for you. Regarding 2nd point, it is no spoiler and wasn't target at you but in general which people are saying Chamo's dumb or too obvious. I read the LN and I have the right to post. Important thing is not spoiling the facts, I'm just giving hints, not how it was done or how it will be done so I'm safe. Other LN readers wouldn't consider this spoilers since I just hinted at parts that we have seen. |
| [/quote] beast_regards said: darboux said: Or adlet did it,for some reason.And the director is just trolling us. Which would make entire story stupid cheap mystery and everyone will hate it once it is revealed ... then it comes to the point where what we saw isn't true (and that one of the points) This is the quote I was referring to about the fake scenes belial. Not sure how you misunderstood it was for you. Nerolunar said: It isn't that hard. If Mora wasn't told about the seal(considering she is the Head of temples), can we verify that the activation mode is the truth? That's pretty much what I will say. I love the discussion going on, lots of good arguments. Reminds me of the countless discussions about Higurashi and Umineko, the latter still going strong. ValhasDrew: If the activation didn't occur when Adlet looked away, then I don't understand how it could be done. The door can't close again after all, so it couldn't have happened before the guards went out. Even if Mora were to be the traitor, other people(like Nashetania or Goldof) would have heard a rumour due to their positions in this verse. Yet, no one heard until they reached the fortress. Isn't that fishy? Give it some thought. |
ValhasDrewAug 12, 2015 12:22 PM
| Well, if you've read the LN, you can always tell everyone who did it and how. Some people will hate you for spoilers, but it would end the discussion (along with all the theories) once for all. Main selling point of the series is the mystery which forces you to make the craziest of theories to share with others. |
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Malise said: I can spoil but there's no point in doing so. When people ask for spoilers, I abstain even more for the same reason. If they ask for spoilers so easy, it means they will spoil others easily so it is really worth spoiling? Well, if you've read the LN, you can always tell everyone who did it and how. Some people will hate you for spoilers, but it would end the discussion (along with all the theories) once for all. Main selling point of the series is the mystery which forces you to make the craziest of theories to share with others. I have seen crazy theories and that's nice, but some are just blant arrogant when defending their theories which ends up worsening the discussion's mood. It has happened in past episodes threads which is quite sad since it still persists, even more in this thread. |
| I think goldov is starting to suspect nashetania. If so, he will be the first person in the group who would start suspecting her (ironically). The reason why I think so is because in the previous episodes we saw that during the numerous conversations between aldlet, goldov and nashetania, goldov seemed to have gotten the idea that nashetania grew some romantic feelings towards aldlet during their brief time together (he probably has a thing going for her himself, so he has gotten jealous). HOWEVER, at the end of this episode we saw that when the group really thought the fake was aldlet, nashetania said "I can't believe aldlet really did it" - as in, she agreed with the group. He probably thought that someone who gains romantic feelings for someone would continue to defend them and not take a 180 degree turn like nashetania did. We saw this in his expression once she said that. |
HandsomeMan said: nashetania said "I can't believe aldlet really did it" - as in, she agreed with the group. He probably thought that someone who gains romantic feelings for someone would continue to defend them and not take a 180 degree turn like nashetania did. We saw this in his expression once she said that. However wouldn't he remain loyal to her if she was the fake? I think so. It would also be interesting as the traitors side would have 3 people, bunny girl, goldov and the assumed 8th. Currently there are too many clues pointing to Nashetanya, though the other possibility I also leave open is Maura, as she is the only one who can validate any info discussed by the group. Can we discuss the colors of the crest? Since I brought it up everyone ignored it ; ; belial said: At first I was assuming there were actually 7 Braves, as Flamie was half-human, half-kyouma, she wouldn't count. Then I read all this thread, the ep didn't get me convinced about an 8th person existing but that talking about Riura made some sense. Anyway, I was doubting Maura and the Bunny Girl (for a lot of reasons already stated ITT). So I decided to rewatch all openings and endings and found this:  http://picpaste.com/Belial.Rokka_no_Yuusha_-_05-iCYuAP00.jpg Maura tells us that if a brave dies, a petal disapears, so each petal is assigned to a brave, and they disapear if they die. So if the petals are colored.. =p Assuming I didn't fail guessing their colors: Red - Adlet Dark Blue - Maura Light Blue - Flamie Dark Green - Goldov Light Green - Chamo Yellow - Hans Missng: Bunny Girl (Nashetania) I rewatched the eps and went teorycrafting, but I still found no way for the bunny girl to activate the fog even assuming Riura activating a fake fog, as someone said in here. That panic mode is the key imo, assuming the fog can be activated without saying the words, or her placing the word (as she can control blades and then finishing the ritual on the panic mode (touching the tablet)). But the bunny girl seems like the obvious target, though I have no idea how or what's her motives. Edit: Typos (Some of the points I said then are invalid now, eg. Nashetanya can only control blades created by herself. Riura or another saint creating a fog still seems probable to me though) Now that I think of it, wouldn't Maura be able to create a fake fog too? |
belialAug 12, 2015 4:05 PM
belial said: HandsomeMan said: nashetania said "I can't believe aldlet really did it" - as in, she agreed with the group. He probably thought that someone who gains romantic feelings for someone would continue to defend them and not take a 180 degree turn like nashetania did. We saw this in his expression once she said that. However wouldn't he remain loyal to her if she was the fake? I think so. It would also be interesting as the traitors side would have 3 people, bunny girl, goldov and the assumed 8th. That is a good question, if only because we still don't know much about Goldov. How loyal is he to the princess? How righteous is he (as in, is he really determined to save the world from the demon king and restore peace)? He is still mysterious, and personally, looking at his character I would say he is a decent man who would be on the side of justice and not the princess (if she's the fake), even if he might have feelings for her. But from a story's perspective it would be more interesting if he and Nashetanya would fight the others since brave x brave seems to be an interesting idea for sure. |
GSupernova said: After he attacked Adlet out of jealousy I can't really say for sure he is on the side of justice tbh... Him disliking Adlet does not mean he is not on the side of justice. Just means he dislikes Adlet. And I'm pretty sure he heard that Adlet sabotaged the tournament in episode 1, so to Goldov, Adlet was already suspicious before he started getting chummy with the princess or being the fake suspect. |
| No LN reader should be providing hints. If viewers are the on the wrong track then let it be. You should only question the logic certain theories that have obvious holes, but don't tell whether they're right or wrong. darboux said: Well ye the whole point of this was why the nashe theory doesnt seem so smart. 1)Yes she could kill him easily along with the rest of the guards that saw his mark.Then problem solved.She is the princess of the kingdom she could some excuse prisoner tried to escape and killed the guards so i killed him or just run away the same way she did with adlet.... 2) Yes if she came on him all of sudden sure.But she could act like ''oh i was so scared i ran away for the first from the kingdom'' hug him and do the deed when he drops his guards.Goldof is crazy about her and she knows it. 3)I mean frame the gun girl as in for killing goldof or making sure the braves would kill her once they encounter her....who would they believe a half fiend or the princess that would claim she saw her killing Goldof... anyway im tired with this whole mystery stuff gonna wait till it gets explained.Just hope it wont be some utterly stupid explanation. 1) Dude, she killed a hero. That's not gonna fly even for her. All they need to do his check his body and they will see the mark. And the people in the palace would know it was her since her attacks leave distinct wounds. Besides the Demon God has been beaten by just 2-3 Braves before so killing Adlet then is no guarantee of victory. You need to better than that 2) Um I'll say this as an LN but Goldof isn't shallow person you think he his. He definitely likes her, but he not accept kind of behavior from her. He views her as someone very dignified. Furthermore he not kind who fall easily to attacks like that. His battle sense are sharper than hers. 3)You 3rd doesn't make any sense and requires Nashetania to be much stronger than everyone else there to pull it off. She isn't. |
Iron_MawAug 12, 2015 9:22 PM
belial said: Mora is the Saint of the Mountain. As seen in the opening, she gathers strength from the mountain grounds and enhances her fists & kicks. If she has other type of power(e.g. healing), it has yet to be shown but it is unlikely she created the fog since her saint powers doesn't really sound like able to do so.(Some of the points I said then are invalid now, eg. Nashetanya can only control blades created by herself. Riura or another saint creating a fog still seems probable to me though) Now that I think of it, wouldn't Maura be able to create a fake fog too? |
| There IS a saint of fog, since he was mentioned as participating in the creation of the barrier. We know that the saint of seal cannot be the traitor since the new one isn't experienced and the former is long dead, but no one said the saint of fog is out of the equation. Usually however, they would create all those huge temple and stuff working for a long time because they aren't able to create it with that scale directly. If they were, then just ask the saint of fog and illusion to come the right day and case the spell : you don't need to make all those risk and precaution any more. Just build a simpler stuff protected by the saint of salt, and have them run inside. If they don't do that, most probably the land covered by the saint of fog are too small. And if the saint of fog cannot do that, I doubt another saint can do better than her, right. That's supposed to be her main role. It'll be like if a saint of mountain could do better blades than the saint of blade, that would be very illogical. Also, if the saint of fog created another fog, then he should be inside the barrier since I doubt he can create that while being outside of the range. Since far too powerful to me. |
ZefyrisAug 13, 2015 2:36 AM
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| We are going in circles... There isn't a way for one of the heroes to activate the barrier without other knowing provided that Moira isn't lying, what we saw is true and soldier in the fortress wasn't lying too. No one has a chance to activate the barrier without at least one other brave covering for them. If we are all wrong about it, aren't there actually seven or eight valid braves? Because flower also had two leaves (dunno, support roles?) |
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GSupernova said: HandsomeMan said: Him disliking Adlet does not mean he is not on the side of justice. Just means he dislikes Adlet. And I'm pretty sure he heard that Adlet sabotaged the tournament in episode 1, so to Goldov, Adlet was already suspicious before he started getting chummy with the princess or being the fake suspect. Trying to kill someone out of jealousy is an evil act, imo. Even if he had cause to suspect him anyway, I don't think his actions were motivated by those reasons at all. Though admittedly we haven't learned anything about his thoughts at all really. That's what I'm saying, we don't know what's truly on his mind since he barely even talked openly. And he might just wanted to give Adlet a good ass-wooping and not kill him ;-) |
ValhasDrew said: belial said: Mora is the Saint of the Mountain. As seen in the opening, she gathers strength from the mountain grounds and enhances her fists & kicks. If she has other type of power(e.g. healing), it has yet to be shown but it is unlikely she created the fog since her saint powers doesn't really sound like able to do so.(Some of the points I said then are invalid now, eg. Nashetanya can only control blades created by herself. Riura or another saint creating a fog still seems probable to me though) Now that I think of it, wouldn't Maura be able to create a fake fog too? Your posts are spoilerish enough, we never saw what powers Maura has and healing would be out of context to even assume. I only mentioned Maura because she replaced Riura ten years ago, so I asked if she could have done it because she is also the one with all the info. (I didn't ask if another brave could do it because Maura would confirm/deny and that would make Maura culprit) Babyfac3e said: I know is a bit late but just watched the episode and noticed that in the OP the flower has 6 petals and 2 leaves...meaning 8?? I see no leaves, please post a pic or the time it happens 1:02 on ep6 we have a Fiend that seems on guard and that didn't show up yet At 1:17 flamie is in front of the firewood from the end of ep 6 ^^ Rewatching the op also get the feeling Flamie dies ; ; that focus at her flower! |
belialAug 13, 2015 6:45 AM
darboux said: To me at the end of the day Nashetania is the most suspicious out of all in everyway.....but same as the chars said flamie couldnt be the one coz she didnt kill adlet when she had t he chance is same with Nashetania.She had chances to kill adlet and could kill goldof +flamie so it cant be her as well...unless the plan is not really to kill the braves but something else^^. Like we already said, if she is the fake, she needed Adlet to take the blame and she was the one who set it up telling him to go ahead. It's easier to deceive someone who trusts you |
| Its a fucking pain to venture into MAL forums without knowing a source material because you never know when someone is actually speculating or when someone is just an asshole who pretends to speculate and is actually spoiling shit(like how with ubw adaptation, certain fucker idiots pretended the main big twist was "obvious" and spoiled it under premise of "speculation" and appearing smart). I guess from now on I won't take that chance as this show is certainly not the one I'd ever want to get spoiled for. I'll just post my thoughts and avoid episode threads. Then once the season ends I will know which posts to report. |
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| It's too soon to speculate on motives, assuming it's the bunny girl setting this plan I have no idea how she could get Chamo killed, assuming it's Maura she wouldn't need this plan if she could use Chamo to kill other braves (starting with Flamie). So I guess we are missing too much info to speculate on motives. Btw, I find the defense for Flamie that she didn't kill Adlet a bit weak, after Adlet is the suspect Flamie is back being a suspect as well as the argument wouldn't defend her anymore. (it might go around this logic when she decides to team up with him), as I believe she will and the OP clues to it. (No idea what Adlet will be able to discover on the next ep to convince her though) |
Luna_Shantessa said: I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but if they cleared Flamie of suspition because she didn't kill Adelt when they were together, then isn't that a valid arguement to defend this innocence? Why didn't he say that instead of grasping straws? There was a good argument some time ago that that argument would only work for Fremy, the most suspicious Rokka who is already known to be the brave killer. Luna_Shantessa said: Also, they shouldn't risk killing someone just because they're worked up. Plus, if they killed the wrong guy, then they'd know by checking their marks. Plus the barrior wouldn't disappear. Maybe the idea of the trap is to get them to kill each other so that no one has to worry about the Six anymore? There is no reason to assume that the 7th's mark won't work the same way as the rest of the marks. For example, one of theories is that Nashetania made Adlet show his mark first so that she could copy it (yes, in just a few seconds before showing her own). So just checking the marks won't help them find out who is the 7th. They will just know they killed an innocent person and will have to kill somebody again, until they finally get the 7th. Luna_Shantessa said: Also, it stands to reason that the 7th has to be a man, because the women are all Saints, and I don't think you can fake powers given by the goddess, can you? Like you can the mark. Or can you? Being a Saint and having powers is no proof of being good. Fremy the brave killer was both a saint and 100% on the Majin's side before she decided to kill him. Chamo is a saint too, and she is no good. Besides, Chamo didn't even use her powers, so we can't be sure it is not just a really good copy of Chamo. There are a lot of saints who aren't chosen to be braves, and any of them might be secretly working for the demons, got a fake Brave mark and infiltrated the 6 braves. |
Nerolunar said: Mora might be really hungry for power. Killing Riura also grants her the position as the leader of the All Heavens temple. Mora was the leader of saints (and whatever titles accompany it) for 10 years, because Riura has already retired from this position. There is nothing for Mora to gain by Riura's death (except that a new saint of the sun will be chosen, who might be easier to manipulate and/or weaker). belial said: Your 2nd point seems like a spoiler, if you read the LN you shouldn't be commenting here. Also, we didn't underestimate chamo, we did the opposite, we are assuming she is too strong to need such a complex plan. Also as the strongest saint she can't be the fake brave Being strong doesn't guarantee being chosen as a Brave. You also have to be brave and willing to kill the demon god. And proving your strength in one of the world's temples of Fate, but that's the easy part. |
flannan said: Being strong doesn't guarantee being chosen as a Brave. You also have to be brave and willing to kill the demon god. And proving your strength in one of the world's temples of Fate, but that's the easy part. By that definition Hans wouldn't be a Brave, and right now Flamie would be questionable too (as we don't know what motive she has to have changed sides or when that happened). Being a Brave doesn't mean they are good or that they want to kill the Demon God. So afaik being strong is all that it takes. Edit: If being a Brave meant being VS the Demon God, they would never doubt Flamie before they got to the temple |
belial said: flannan said: Being strong doesn't guarantee being chosen as a Brave. You also have to be brave and willing to kill the demon god. And proving your strength in one of the world's temples of Fate, but that's the easy part. By that definition Hans wouldn't be a Brave, and right now Flamie would be questionable too (as we don't know what motive she has to have changed sides or when that happened). Being a Brave doesn't mean they are good or that they want to kill the Demon God. So afaik being strong is all that it takes. no no, in theory at least, it requires to have the will to carry out the mission. The reason that this will comes from can be anything including sense of duty, hatred or money, but you need it in one way or another, and you need to prove yourself in front of one of those statues indeed (that's an absolute condition). Also, according to Adlet and Nashetnaia episode 2, being too old is also a condition that can eliminate someone. |
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quick some one call a defense attorny before this gets out of hand |
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