| It seems that One Piece's rating is dropping, and a lot of criticism are being directed at the show in an influx much larger than it used to be years back. But what I want to address is the surprise of the long time fans to this sudden drop in interest and praise. Here's what I think: First obvious thing to find is the huge difference of scale and scope between Marineford, the climax of the first half, and Fishman Island, the beginning of the second. FI is like the first arc of one piece, mostly (re-)introductory, but unlike it, it has all these other arcs stacked up behind it, giving promises and hype, only for the audience to be underwhelmed by the nothingness. That in itself is a flaw of its own, but I believe it is a bit more than that. You see, people wonder, why after all the amazing arcs of the pre-timeskip, people criticize one piece entirely for just a handful of bad ones? That doesn't make any sense. My argument is that the pre-timeskip arcs, or a lot of them, were not any better than the oens we have now. Long Ring island for example, was just as silly and out of tone as Fishman Island, and Enies Lobby was just as unnecessarily cluttered with action and fodders as Dressrosa, but all the previous arcs were hanging on the same thread of hype and mystery that kept us interested, and that's what made us continue watching, this brought us to the end of Marineford where we got to see a lot of fanservice (of revelations and more hype), and raised the bar set by an illusion rather than actual build-up. And now, simply, people are seeing through that illusion, or are simply getting disinterested in whatever got them hyped, because of how the show handled previously built up plot points. The show was relying entirely on sheer hype and praise, produced by hype and praise. In Marineford many people just decided to jump on the bandwagon and the show seemed like it was perfect all along, from start to where it was, but now people are being reminded of the tiresome arcs they had to deal with simply to get teased by something with hardly any pay-up. So, in conclusion, no. People aren't suddenly turning against one piece. The show was ranging from good to okay to bad (on repeat), and now it's just going downhill rather fast. Thoughts? |
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Mikasa said: It seems that One Piece's rating is dropping, and a lot of criticism are being directed at the show in an influx much larger than it used to be years back. But what I want to address is the surprise of the long time fans to this sudden drop in interest and praise. Here's what I think: First obvious thing to find is the huge difference of scale and scope between Marineford, the climax of the first half, and Fishman Island, the beginning of the second. FI is like the first arc of one piece, mostly (re-)introductory, but unlike it, it has all these other arcs stacked up behind it, giving promises and hype, only for the audience to be underwhelmed by the nothingness. That in itself is a flaw of its own, but I believe it is a bit more than that. You see, people wonder, why after all the amazing arcs of the pre-timeskip, people criticize one piece entirely for just a handful of bad ones? That doesn't make any sense. My argument is that the pre-timeskip arcs, or a lot of them, were not any better than the oens we have now. Long Ring island for example, was just as silly and out of tone as Fishman Island, and Enies Lobby was just as unnecessarily cluttered with action and fodders as Dressrosa, but all the previous arcs were hanging on the same thread of hype and mystery that kept us interested, and that's what made us continue watching, this brought us to the end of Marineford where we got to see a lot of fanservice (of revelations and more hype), and raised the bar set by an illusion rather than actual build-up. And now, simply, people are seeing through that illusion, or are simply getting disinterested in whatever got them hyped, because of how the show handled previously built up plot points. The show was relying entirely on sheer hype and praise, produced by hype and praise. In Marineford many people just decided to jump on the bandwagon and the show seemed like it was perfect all along, from start to where it was, but now people are being reminded of the tiresome arcs they had to deal with simply to get teased by something with hardly any pay-up. So, in conclusion, no. People aren't suddenly turning against one piece. The show was ranging from good to okay to bad (on repeat), and now it's just going downhill rather fast. Thoughts? The people you describe are the ones that weren't ever real fans of the series. I loved most of the arcs, or actually, ALL of the arcs pre-timeskip. Sure, there are some arcs that are better than others, but all are fantastic. The weekly wait is what's killing the interest, and it's the interest of people who mainly haven't stuck through the series on a weekly basis pre-Whitebeard War arc. There are exceptions of course, but the weekly wait for chapters during Thriller were just as bad. Also, I feel like Oda is trying something new. Everything post-timeskip has been of a much MUCH bigger scale. There's many more threads that have to be entwined, and Oda has only done small scale in comparison. If you think about it, East Blue was Oda getting used to story telling with everything fairly contained, and slight connectivity (Morgan being hypnotized by Kuro etc.). Then for Paradise/beginning of the Grand Line, Oda was doing bigger scale, where characters start having more relationships outside of their introductory arch. Now, post-timeskip, it's even greater. Oda is stumbling, but everything should be better now that he's gotten a bit of experience doing this large an arch. Additionally, I would just like to mention my own speculation on how this isn't the payoff arc. There are two types of island arcs. One is Minor/Connection island arcs. And the other, is Final Boss island arc. In East Blue, every island arc was a Final Boss Island Arc. In the beginning of the Grand Line, you had Laboon, Whiskey Peak, Drum Island, Long-Ring Island, Thriller, Shabondy, Amazon Lily, and Impel Down, as Minor/Connection Island arcs. Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7/Cp9, and Marineford were Final Boss Island Arcs. So, if you hadn't noticed, there are some really big guys that were taken care of on connection arcs. Hopefully this makes sense? Anyway, the point is that Punk Hazard isn't a final boss arc. Many people think that Dressrosa IS, right? Like how Alabasta was. But it's NOT. The Final Boss Island Arcs are the real pay off arcs. Everything else is build up that may or may not have satisfying conclusions. Dressrosa, by my outline, isn't a payoff arc. It's not a final boss arc. The fight/arc against/with a yonkou will be the payoff. This is still part of the buildup. Anyone who's complaining doesn't understand how One Piece works imo. One Piece has always been like this, and to be "disillusioned" just means that the person was never a real fan of the series. There's no disillusionment possible unless the person expected marineford level every single arc. |
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LitzSabr said: One Piece is only getting more better and successful with time. Na since the timeskip it's degraded in quality and I heard the anime is got even worse and I already found it hard to watch with how dragged out it is in the anime. |
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Royalirishman said: LitzSabr said: One Piece is only getting more better and successful with time. Na since the timeskip it's degraded in quality and I heard the anime is got even worse and I already found it hard to watch with how dragged out it is in the anime. What did you find different in OP after TS? |
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Royalirishman said: Nah, One Piece is still the same and the anime is still great too.LitzSabr said: One Piece is only getting more better and successful with time. Na since the timeskip it's degraded in quality and I heard the anime is got even worse and I already found it hard to watch with how dragged out it is in the anime. |
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LitzSabr said: Royalirishman said: Na since the timeskip it's degraded in quality and I heard the anime is got even worse and I already found it hard to watch with how dragged out it is in the anime. What did you find different in OP after TS? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1353301 |
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tsudecimo said: LitzSabr said: What did you find different in OP after TS? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1353301 Yeah I'm one piece fan and all but I agree with most of them points and I don't think they should of included a timeskip none of them changed they just got stronger and I've never really liked timeskips I feel they don't help the story they work in something like JoJo as it's a different story their telling. But at least it's entertained me since the timeskip and I hope it will improve in the future arcs. |
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tsudecimo said: LitzSabr said: What did you find different in OP after TS? http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1353301 Can be already seen that Robin is now way more open than before and there's more to come for her character.. and the guy ignored usopp's development in the arc yada yada. Though Luffy's personality won't be changing, its because who he is, is why he's widely loved. Most of the development will come with time, that is what is remaining of it. It's unfortunate my goldfish here has more patience than these people. P.S I'm not biting on all of that. |
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DarkAngelz said: Mikasa said: It seems that One Piece's rating is dropping, and a lot of criticism are being directed at the show in an influx much larger than it used to be years back. But what I want to address is the surprise of the long time fans to this sudden drop in interest and praise. Here's what I think: First obvious thing to find is the huge difference of scale and scope between Marineford, the climax of the first half, and Fishman Island, the beginning of the second. FI is like the first arc of one piece, mostly (re-)introductory, but unlike it, it has all these other arcs stacked up behind it, giving promises and hype, only for the audience to be underwhelmed by the nothingness. That in itself is a flaw of its own, but I believe it is a bit more than that. You see, people wonder, why after all the amazing arcs of the pre-timeskip, people criticize one piece entirely for just a handful of bad ones? That doesn't make any sense. My argument is that the pre-timeskip arcs, or a lot of them, were not any better than the oens we have now. Long Ring island for example, was just as silly and out of tone as Fishman Island, and Enies Lobby was just as unnecessarily cluttered with action and fodders as Dressrosa, but all the previous arcs were hanging on the same thread of hype and mystery that kept us interested, and that's what made us continue watching, this brought us to the end of Marineford where we got to see a lot of fanservice (of revelations and more hype), and raised the bar set by an illusion rather than actual build-up. And now, simply, people are seeing through that illusion, or are simply getting disinterested in whatever got them hyped, because of how the show handled previously built up plot points. The show was relying entirely on sheer hype and praise, produced by hype and praise. In Marineford many people just decided to jump on the bandwagon and the show seemed like it was perfect all along, from start to where it was, but now people are being reminded of the tiresome arcs they had to deal with simply to get teased by something with hardly any pay-up. So, in conclusion, no. People aren't suddenly turning against one piece. The show was ranging from good to okay to bad (on repeat), and now it's just going downhill rather fast. Thoughts? The people you describe are the ones that weren't ever real fans of the series. I loved most of the arcs, or actually, ALL of the arcs pre-timeskip. Sure, there are some arcs that are better than others, but all are fantastic. The weekly wait is what's killing the interest, and it's the interest of people who mainly haven't stuck through the series on a weekly basis pre-Whitebeard War arc. There are exceptions of course, but the weekly wait for chapters during Thriller were just as bad. Also, I feel like Oda is trying something new. Everything post-timeskip has been of a much MUCH bigger scale. There's many more threads that have to be entwined, and Oda has only done small scale in comparison. If you think about it, East Blue was Oda getting used to story telling with everything fairly contained, and slight connectivity (Morgan being hypnotized by Kuro etc.). Then for Paradise/beginning of the Grand Line, Oda was doing bigger scale, where characters start having more relationships outside of their introductory arch. Now, post-timeskip, it's even greater. Oda is stumbling, but everything should be better now that he's gotten a bit of experience doing this large an arch. Additionally, I would just like to mention my own speculation on how this isn't the payoff arc. There are two types of island arcs. One is Minor/Connection island arcs. And the other, is Final Boss island arc. In East Blue, every island arc was a Final Boss Island Arc. In the beginning of the Grand Line, you had Laboon, Whiskey Peak, Drum Island, Long-Ring Island, Thriller, Shabondy, Amazon Lily, and Impel Down, as Minor/Connection Island arcs. Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7/Cp9, and Marineford were Final Boss Island Arcs. So, if you hadn't noticed, there are some really big guys that were taken care of on connection arcs. Hopefully this makes sense? Anyway, the point is that Punk Hazard isn't a final boss arc. Many people think that Dressrosa IS, right? Like how Alabasta was. But it's NOT. The Final Boss Island Arcs are the real pay off arcs. Everything else is build up that may or may not have satisfying conclusions. Dressrosa, by my outline, isn't a payoff arc. It's not a final boss arc. The fight/arc against/with a yonkou will be the payoff. This is still part of the buildup. Anyone who's complaining doesn't understand how One Piece works imo. One Piece has always been like this, and to be "disillusioned" just means that the person was never a real fan of the series. There's no disillusionment possible unless the person expected marineford level every single arc. So people have to like everything to be real fans? The plot wasquite poor, and wasreceived poorly back then, but somewhere people forgot and thought they had liked most of it-- in comparison to the new arcs. Trying something new? Large scale? I don't see anything new for the last 400 chapters. And fighting fodders, making bosses fodder isn't large scale at all. All arcs have to have payoffs. That's why they're separate and are called arcs. Each should have some independence at least. Problem is, Oda and the "real" fans think only of action when it comes to lay off. Funny thing is, neither Alabasta nor Enies Lobby nor Skypiea had any pay off at the end. The fights were a chore. Jaya had no fights but it paid off by being smart and building the world. But now Oda has been out of Ideas for the last decade and we are likely not to get that ever again. Calumz said: dropping where?? Sales of the last few years, TV ratings, MAL ratings both anime and manga. And people generally associate one piece with bad storytelling nowadays, it's lost its respect by many. |
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Mikasa said: Sales of the last few years, TV ratings, MAL ratings both anime and manga. And people generally associate one piece with bad storytelling nowadays, it's lost its respect by many. Best volume sold in mid Year -> 3,079,249 copies(bigger than 2014, 2013 an just 82k less than 2012) Last TV ratings -> 8.8(In second place in the top, just below Sazae-san) MAL Anime and Manga Ratings -> Decreased just 0.01 points and this is just MAL So huge exaggeration! Also you're an One Piece hater, so what are you trying to prove with this? |
DarkAngelz said: Mikasa said: It seems that One Piece's rating is dropping, and a lot of criticism are being directed at the show in an influx much larger than it used to be years back. But what I want to address is the surprise of the long time fans to this sudden drop in interest and praise. Here's what I think: First obvious thing to find is the huge difference of scale and scope between Marineford, the climax of the first half, and Fishman Island, the beginning of the second. FI is like the first arc of one piece, mostly (re-)introductory, but unlike it, it has all these other arcs stacked up behind it, giving promises and hype, only for the audience to be underwhelmed by the nothingness. That in itself is a flaw of its own, but I believe it is a bit more than that. You see, people wonder, why after all the amazing arcs of the pre-timeskip, people criticize one piece entirely for just a handful of bad ones? That doesn't make any sense. My argument is that the pre-timeskip arcs, or a lot of them, were not any better than the oens we have now. Long Ring island for example, was just as silly and out of tone as Fishman Island, and Enies Lobby was just as unnecessarily cluttered with action and fodders as Dressrosa, but all the previous arcs were hanging on the same thread of hype and mystery that kept us interested, and that's what made us continue watching, this brought us to the end of Marineford where we got to see a lot of fanservice (of revelations and more hype), and raised the bar set by an illusion rather than actual build-up. And now, simply, people are seeing through that illusion, or are simply getting disinterested in whatever got them hyped, because of how the show handled previously built up plot points. The show was relying entirely on sheer hype and praise, produced by hype and praise. In Marineford many people just decided to jump on the bandwagon and the show seemed like it was perfect all along, from start to where it was, but now people are being reminded of the tiresome arcs they had to deal with simply to get teased by something with hardly any pay-up. So, in conclusion, no. People aren't suddenly turning against one piece. The show was ranging from good to okay to bad (on repeat), and now it's just going downhill rather fast. Thoughts? The people you describe are the ones that weren't ever real fans of the series. I loved most of the arcs, or actually, ALL of the arcs pre-timeskip. Sure, there are some arcs that are better than others, but all are fantastic. The weekly wait is what's killing the interest, and it's the interest of people who mainly haven't stuck through the series on a weekly basis pre-Whitebeard War arc. There are exceptions of course, but the weekly wait for chapters during Thriller were just as bad. Also, I feel like Oda is trying something new. Everything post-timeskip has been of a much MUCH bigger scale. There's many more threads that have to be entwined, and Oda has only done small scale in comparison. If you think about it, East Blue was Oda getting used to story telling with everything fairly contained, and slight connectivity (Morgan being hypnotized by Kuro etc.). Then for Paradise/beginning of the Grand Line, Oda was doing bigger scale, where characters start having more relationships outside of their introductory arch. Now, post-timeskip, it's even greater. Oda is stumbling, but everything should be better now that he's gotten a bit of experience doing this large an arch. Additionally, I would just like to mention my own speculation on how this isn't the payoff arc. There are two types of island arcs. One is Minor/Connection island arcs. And the other, is Final Boss island arc. In East Blue, every island arc was a Final Boss Island Arc. In the beginning of the Grand Line, you had Laboon, Whiskey Peak, Drum Island, Long-Ring Island, Thriller, Shabondy, Amazon Lily, and Impel Down, as Minor/Connection Island arcs. Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7/Cp9, and Marineford were Final Boss Island Arcs. So, if you hadn't noticed, there are some really big guys that were taken care of on connection arcs. Hopefully this makes sense? Anyway, the point is that Punk Hazard isn't a final boss arc. Many people think that Dressrosa IS, right? Like how Alabasta was. But it's NOT. The Final Boss Island Arcs are the real pay off arcs. Everything else is build up that may or may not have satisfying conclusions. Dressrosa, by my outline, isn't a payoff arc. It's not a final boss arc. The fight/arc against/with a yonkou will be the payoff. This is still part of the buildup. Anyone who's complaining doesn't understand how One Piece works imo. One Piece has always been like this, and to be "disillusioned" just means that the person was never a real fan of the series. There's no disillusionment possible unless the person expected marineford level every single arc. It's pretty stupid saying someone isn't a true fan because they can see flaws in a show and not blindly follow it I've seen "true fans" of naruto say this as well. No I don't expect a marineford level arc every arc and your whole thing with it being bigger in scale doesn't really matter because the start was a lot better than it is now. |
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G_Spark233 said: That's a very narrow point of view. If the series's chapters have enough content and or its episodic then it sounds like a great idea to me, theoretically it can go on forever with no filler or breaks.One chapter per episode is not a good way to adapt any series. |
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If you think the fights were poor and there was little payoff in Alabasta, Cp9, etc., then I can't imagine how horrible you must think Dressrosa is in comparison. I never said that a fan had to like all the arcs + everything. I'm not going to rephrase myself to someone who doesn't want to listen. I'll just settle for copy and paste: darkangelz said: The people you describe are the ones that weren't ever real fans of the series. Anyone who's complaining doesn't understand how One Piece works imo. One Piece has always been like this, and to be "disillusioned" just means that the person was never a real fan of the series. There's no disillusionment possible unless the person expected marineford level every single arc. And to be clear about the type of people you described: mikasa said: In Marineford many people just decided to jump on the bandwagon and the show seemed like it was perfect all along, from start to where it was, but now people are being reminded of the tiresome arcs they had to deal with simply to get teased by something with hardly any pay-up. See? Already answered you, and you didn't care to pay attention. Yes, all arcs need payoffs. There's different levels though. The payoff for something like the fight with Wapol in Drum Island, should be of different scale to the payoff for the fight with Crocodile in Alabasta. When I used the term payoff in my previous posts, I meant it to refer to the HUGE payoffs that were present in the final boss arcs, than the minor ones that were present in all other arcs. My bad for not clarifying that earlier. mikasa said: Trying something new? Large scale? I don't see anything new for the last 400 chapters. And fighting fodders, making bosses fodder isn't large scale at all. Well, 400 chapters ago, we would be in Enies Lobby, so of course you didn't see anything new since then. Cause we're puting aside the saga immediately after that which was one that completely deviated from any formula/pattern Oda used before. Though Thriller, the start of the saga was normal (not including the teamwork needed to take down an opponent which was never done prior), everything following that, plot wise, was extremely different. Straw Hats get introduced to island, check. But them versing opponent 3 times or even DEFEATING the opponent? Nope. Them leaving together? Nope. They get split up. Had that ever happened before? Nope. Then they go check out their islands INDIVIDUALLY, and even then we only really saw Amazon Lily, where there was no big bad take down. Everything was all over the place but contained. Everything was really different from the norm, so... nothing new for the past 400 chapters? Well.... yeah, if we bar the Whitebeard War Saga... right? Which only takes up 200 of those 400 chapters. So, let me correct your statement. You haven't seen anything new in the past 200 chapters. Okay. Well, we haven't even completed one saga yet, so... *shrug* You say Oda has been out of ideas for the past decade. If those are exaggerated statements, then they don't belong in this type of argument, because of how insanely inaccurate they would be otherwise. 4 years ago we were in Marineford. 10 years ago? That would be skypiea or Water 7 or somewhere there. I already explained how the Marineford Saga was completely different from his usual ways, so him being out of ideas for even the last 5 years would be faulty. But anyway... And about your fodder comment. Well, like I said, this arc isn't a payoff arc, but then again, you didn't like any of the payoff arcs before either. Actually, what arc DID you like? Cause it seems like you hated ALL of them..... royalirishman said: It's pretty stupid saying someone isn't a true fan because they can see flaws in a show and not blindly follow it I've seen "true fans" of naruto say this as well. No I don't expect a marineford level arc every arc and your whole thing with it being bigger in scale doesn't really matter because the start was a lot better than it is now. I never said that. Please refer to the beginning of this post for further clarification. Just because I said I liked all the arcs, and that I'm a fan, doesn't mean that all OP fans have to like all the arcs. That's faulty logic. Also, just because you like all the arcs, love them even, doesn't mean you can't see the flaws. Another faulty logic of yours. I realize the pacing is horrible. Sometimes it's hard to understand what's happening because artwork. Sometimes we see little of main characters. Many characters haven't been kept in the 3-Dimensional department after making it there. So yeah, I see the flaws, and I'm a fan. but regardless of them, I've loved all the arcs and most of the characters. You can love/like something that has flaws. But again, you don't have to like all the arcs to be a fan. All I said, is that people who expected Marineford level every arc, aren't fans, never were. These people who are being "disillusioned" were never fans. They may have acted like fans, but they obviously never liked what made One Piece... One Piece. What I see, and like... what One Piece fans see, and like.... is what the Marineford bandwagoners are now seeing and are not liking at all. They are being disillusioned, sure, but what they are now seeing is the true One Piece. Their problem if they don't like it. bigivelfhq said: Mikasa said: Sales of the last few years, TV ratings, MAL ratings both anime and manga. And people generally associate one piece with bad storytelling nowadays, it's lost its respect by many. Best volume sold in mid Year -> 3,079,249 copies(bigger than 2014, 2013 an just 82k less than 2012) Last TV ratings -> 8.8(In second place in the top, just below Sazae-san) MAL Anime and Manga Ratings -> Decreased just 0.01 points and this is just MAL So huge exaggeration! Also you're an One Piece hater, so what are you trying to prove with this? +1 to this. I was like, how have they dropped? Yes, yearly sales aren't as great as they were in 2011, which was the boom of Marineford, but that's to be expected. The market is completely saturated. People think Shingeki No Kyojin's boom was huge, and sure, it was I guess. And think, Shingeki has completely saturated the market, all over the web, the craze was ginormous.... so if that market was saturated for Shingeki.... and One Piece sold more when it boomed.... goes to show that sales CAN'T be as high as it was. It's nearly impossible. In 10 years, if there's something huge that happens then, then the boom can be higher cause there would be double the volumes and a new generation to buy... but right now everyone has 'em so sales obviously won't be high for previous volumes. So yeah, they "dropped" but because past volumes have already been sold and the market is saturated. The yearly series sales simply show if there's a boom in popularity. Volume sales show the fans/popularity, not the popularity SPIKES. And as you said, volume sales have been quite good. So... *shrug* 8animet said: I agree on everything except the Dressrosa part You sure that it isn't a payoff arc? I thought it was more like W7 and Enies Lobby Punk Hazard was build up and Dressrosa was pay off The Kaidou arc (which is coming no doubt) will be its own thing (I think) It's definitely not a payoff arc. The Connectivity/Minor Arcs and their respective Final Island Arc are what make up the One Piece Sagas. All the Sagas have been self contained, with the only real carry over being the overarching mysteries of One Piece, Will of D., etc. There are of course characters brought back and name drops, but everything that is introduced gets taken care of and has a conclusion to their meaning in the arc. For example, in Alabasta, Smoker, though he wasn't taken care of in a physical fight, had a conclusion to his involvement. He told the marines to 'eat shit' and helped wrap everything up. He decided to stay behind. The story pretty much finished. With Water 7/Cp9 everything was resolved. Even though Aokiji wasn't dealt with, he had his conclusion moments with Robin, telling her he's not going to get involved. Yes, there were name drops of what was to come, but the arc was done. A good example to compare Dressrosa with is Thriller Bark, which is a connection arc, even though originally it felt like a final boss arc. Thriller was the start of the Whitebeard War saga. It started the momentum with Kuma's introduction. With the Vivre card. The end of CP9 was extremely contained. So was Skypiea's, and Alabasta's. Yes there were hints of what was to come, like the Impel Down name drop in CP9, etc., but there wasn't any momentum throwing us immediately into another arc. When you go from one arc to immediately another one, where the events of one carry over A LOT into the other, then the arc, no matter how great in scheme, gets turned into a connection/minor island arc. I guess another name for these arcs could be "a momentum arc". I'm really making up the labels as I go. LMAO. Anyway, with Dressrosa and Punk Hazard, the story they've built up is definitely not over. Big Mom and her crew haven't had a conclusion to their involvement. Law's involvement hasn't ended. Momonosuke and Kinemon aren't done. There's way way too much momentum for the next island for this to be the payoff arc. They agreed to take on a yonkou, and one has shown up, and one is going to get involved soon. There's certain parts that are teased, and may not be dealt with until much later, but there has to be some conclusion to the involvement of the characters that are currently involved with the Straw Hats. And that won't happen in this arc. Some characters' roles are over here, like probably Fujitora. But there's way too many characters that aren't done. Too much left undecided. What's happening with Big Mom and Sanji? We have to go to Wano because of the samurai. These things will all be part of this same saga. And the end arc of this saga will be the payoff arc. There's way too much momentum going into the next arc, and too much left unwrapped. EDIT: There's also Ceaser. Caeser is currently the crux of the saga, or so it seems. Big Mom is there, and after him. That, will somehow be entwined with Zou and Wano. That's probably going to be where the payoff arc is. One of those islands, or afterwards, but probably with a yonkou. East Blue's payoff villains were smallfries. In Paradise, they fought a warlord and a god for payoffs, but then the second warlord wasn't the payoff, it was something much greater. For the New World to start with a war lord payoff, would obviously be a fail payoff. We already did that. Even if he's greater than Crocodile in his status, it's still virtually the same thing. The payoff antagonist has to be someone greater than a shishukai, greater than a god, and around the level shown in the War of the Best. As in, a yonkou. Well, remember, this is all my own speculation. --- A mod edited my post because double post, and made the post hell on earth cause spoilers. Hopefully this is right and I didn't erase anything important (had to take out the quotes.... cause double quoting is retarded when done as it was shown here.) |
DarkAngelzJul 2, 2015 12:28 PM
[/spoiler] banimet said: I hope you are right since the Dressrosa arc was not as great as I initially thought I really hope the next one will be a pay off arc Although I also want a "chill" arc with just the Straw hats interacting Since the New world its been a constant wild ride, they need a break The lack of focus on the Straw hats has been one of my biggest gripes with post time skip OP Dressrosa has been pretty good, though not fantastic, imo. I, too, would like to see more of the Straw Hat crew and the dynamics. I want a breather arc, but I don't think we're going to get many of those anymore, outside filler which even then will be minimal. I really want one though >.< I don't think the next island will have the payoff. We're going to Zou and Wano definitely. So, if both of these places are in the saga, which they should be, then that means that next island won't be one. It could also be connected though, like Water 7-CP9, but I doubt that. So, Wano looks like, right now, the payoff arc, but even then we're not sure if there'll be another island in the saga... which I think there will be. It would be weird to have a yonkou fight on Wano lmao, but that might happen. IDK, we might not even go to Zou next, though we probably will. I'm thinking that Luffy, Law, etc. will go there, regroup, plan, and then head for Big Mom. IDK, there's so many ways this can go. So many. And this isn't really the place for that type of speculation. So, suffice it to say, the payoff arc won't be for a while. That being said, I do expect everything to get better as we go on. For all the arcs really, whether they start off strong or not, through each connection arc, the quality increases. For instance, We went from Laboon, which imo was so so, to Whiskey Peak, which was pretty awesome, to Little Garden which wasn't as good imo, to Drum Island which was supposed to be even better than the others (I'm not a fan of Chopper so the arc isn't ranked high on my list), then Alabasta.... where every location had more relevance than the ones before. Marineford started with Thriller which was okay, then Shabondy whicih was AWESOME, BETTAH THAN AWESOME, EPICCCCC, Amazon Lily which was pretty good, Impel Down which was AWESOME AS FUDGE, BATSHIT EPIC (for me, Shabondy and Impel Down are tied for best arc, and Marineford Saga which consists of both is my favorite saga. I'm actually not a fan of the War of the Best, but those flashbacks of Luffy were so adorable!!!!). Well, enough of the personals, the basic idea is that as the saga progresses, it's supposed to get better, with minor fluctuations. So, Wano/Zou should have slight fluctuation, probably in Zou, and then get really good at Wano, if this is how the story goes anyway. |
| Sales don't skyrocket based on the quality or even content of volumes. It's prime was due to the Strong world movie hype, as it boosted the older volumes. Since Film z wasn't able to do the same, it's unlikely that one piece, will ever have another boost, before the actual end. |
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| Of course some volumes sell more or less than others, but not by a significant difference like 500k or something, they are still in the same range (I don't keep up with OP volumes but I doubt the difference is bigger than 400-500k). Let alone being so good, that it boosts older volumes or increase the sales per volume above 3 million. It like many other manga titles, has an established fanbase. Increase can only come from new fans who buy the old volumes, like what happens usually with adaptations (Nanatsu no Taizai for example) |
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bigivelfhq said: Mikasa said: Sales of the last few years, TV ratings, MAL ratings both anime and manga. And people generally associate one piece with bad storytelling nowadays, it's lost its respect by many. Best volume sold in mid Year -> 3,079,249 copies(bigger than 2014, 2013 an just 82k less than 2012) Last TV ratings -> 8.8(In second place in the top, just below Sazae-san) MAL Anime and Manga Ratings -> Decreased just 0.01 points and this is just MAL So huge exaggeration! Also you're an One Piece hater, so what are you trying to prove with this? 30 millions less volumes sold now, MAL Anime went from 8.66 to 8.62 which is a HUGE feat considering the fanbase. The larger the numbers, the harder it is to change the numbers. Manga was in the top 5 or 6 and now it's top 8, also a difficult feat considering the few contenders. |
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Mikasa said: bigivelfhq said: Best volume sold in mid Year -> 3,079,249 copies(bigger than 2014, 2013 an just 82k less than 2012) Last TV ratings -> 8.8(In second place in the top, just below Sazae-san) MAL Anime and Manga Ratings -> Decreased just 0.01 points and this is just MAL So huge exaggeration! Also you're an One Piece hater, so what are you trying to prove with this? 30 millions less volumes sold now, MAL Anime went from 8.66 to 8.62 which is a HUGE feat considering the fanbase. The larger the numbers, the harder it is to change the numbers. Manga was in the top 5 or 6 and now it's top 8, also a difficult feat considering the few contenders. Manga has a lower place, because other series have gotten better scores, not because One Piece's fell down. 30 milions is a number that was achieved only because people had been buying older volumes. You can't buy old volumes forever, so it's obvious that total sales went down. In reality volumes sales are on more or less same level since the time skip(there was like 5% fall in sales per volume, which is not much). So nice try twisting the facts, I wouldn't expect anything less from you. |
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Mikasa said: bigivelfhq said: Best volume sold in mid Year -> 3,079,249 copies(bigger than 2014, 2013 an just 82k less than 2012) Last TV ratings -> 8.8(In second place in the top, just below Sazae-san) MAL Anime and Manga Ratings -> Decreased just 0.01 points and this is just MAL So huge exaggeration! Also you're an One Piece hater, so what are you trying to prove with this? 30 millions less volumes sold now, MAL Anime went from 8.66 to 8.62 which is a HUGE feat considering the fanbase. The larger the numbers, the harder it is to change the numbers. Manga was in the top 5 or 6 and now it's top 8, also a difficult feat considering the few contenders. Where the hell came that less 30 millions? You don't know what you're talking about right? One Piece did his highest in 2011 with 37,996,373 sales in that year(Dahaka_ already said why the number was so high). Note how the new volumes being sold that year were the ones from Return to Sabaody and Fishman Island Arc! If it sold less 30 Millions that would mean that right now it was selling around 7,996,373 copies, with 4 new volumes. That obviously didn't happen and it sold 11,885,957 copies last year, and that with less 1 volume released that year due to Oda Health problems. MAL anime just got down from 8.63 to 8.62. It was for a long time in 8.63. When was it 8.66? Also MAL numbers mean little, when you have it in Japan getting better TV rankings. Manga had just decreased by 0.01. The position in the top matters little. |
bigivelfhq said: Oh shit. Yesterday it was still 9.00. :/Manga had just decreased by 0.01. The position in the top matters little. bigivelfhq said: It was 8.66 before it dropped to 8.63. :p In all seriousness, I think it was still 8.66 at the beginning of Dressrosa/the end of Punk Hazard.MAL anime just got down from 8.63 to 8.62. It was for a long time in 8.63. When was it 8.66? Also MAL numbers mean little, when you have it in Japan getting better TV rankings. |
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| I was SHOCKED and in DISBELIEF that the 8.63 rating went down to 8.62 all of a sudden. Those so called "real" fans don't understand how OP works. Its a series of small but meaningful events which in turn leads to one epic event that will etch itself in history e.g: Water 7 was slow and informative, then, Einies Lobby came which brought hype for NEW Powers and Buster Call and Aokiji flashbacks. That is what's happening in the second part of the series right now. F.I was just the starter or the appetizer course, then Punk Hazard was the Entree, then Dressrosa is the Main Course. People just want to see upgrade after upgrade. It takes time. Real fans appreciate the work and the effort put into the arc or series and understand why those things are happening. Those fake fans just watch OP since its really popular and "rush" watch the series. Those are the kinds of OP fans that are "OMG OP is soooo GOOD", "OP is MASTERRACE", "OP < FT, Bleach, Naruto, HitmanReborn". I know a person who only watches One Piece and says its the greatest anime in the world. Like fuck you man. I am a Suuuuperrrr One Piece fan but I did not ever once say OP was the best in the world. TL;DR: One Piece is getting a lot of hate since the current arc Dressrosa is taking a 1yr+ to get it done. But when the arc gets uber good then they turn tail and come back like a dog and lick the True OP fans feet with regret in their eyes. and we're at MAL so people just calm down. It's still the leading anime around the world. East or West, mostly EASTERN part. EDIT: Even the manga got fucked up. I swear it was 9.01 when I started MAL 8months ago. I will use the Guiness Book of World Records and slap those hoes who caused the manga to go down hard. |
MantaBabyJul 5, 2015 10:08 AM
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MantaBaby said: I was SHOCKED and in DISBELIEF that the 8.63 rating went down to 8.62 all of a sudden. Those so called "real" fans don't understand how OP works. Its a series of small but meaningful events which in turn leads to one epic event that will etch itself in history e.g: Water 7 was slow and informative, then, Einies Lobby came which brought hype for NEW Powers and Buster Call and Aokiji flashbacks. That is what's happening in the second part of the series right now. F.I was just the starter or the appetizer course, then Punk Hazard was the Entree, then Dressrosa is the Main Course. People just want to see upgrade after upgrade. It takes time. Real fans appreciate the work and the effort put into the arc or series and understand why those things are happening. Those fake fans just watch OP since its really popular and "rush" watch the series. Those are the kinds of OP fans that are "OMG OP is soooo GOOD", "OP is MASTERRACE", "OP < FT, Bleach, Naruto, HitmanReborn". I know a person who only watches One Piece and says its the greatest anime in the world. Like fuck you man. I am a Suuuuperrrr One Piece fan but I did not ever once say OP was the best in the world. TL;DR: One Piece is getting a lot of hate since the current arc Dressrosa is taking a 1yr+ to get it done. But when the arc gets uber good then they turn tail and come back like a dog and lick the True OP fans feet with regret in their eyes. and we're at MAL so people just calm down. It's still the leading anime around the world. East or West, mostly EASTERN part. EDIT: Even the manga got fucked up. I swear it was 9.01 when I started MAL 8months ago. I will use the Guiness Book of World Records and slap those hoes who caused the manga to go down hard. Not sure if sarcastic or not e.e |
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tsudecimo said: MantaBaby said: I was SHOCKED and in DISBELIEF that the 8.63 rating went down to 8.62 all of a sudden. Those so called "real" fans don't understand how OP works. Its a series of small but meaningful events which in turn leads to one epic event that will etch itself in history e.g: Water 7 was slow and informative, then, Einies Lobby came which brought hype for NEW Powers and Buster Call and Aokiji flashbacks. That is what's happening in the second part of the series right now. F.I was just the starter or the appetizer course, then Punk Hazard was the Entree, then Dressrosa is the Main Course. People just want to see upgrade after upgrade. It takes time. Real fans appreciate the work and the effort put into the arc or series and understand why those things are happening. Those fake fans just watch OP since its really popular and "rush" watch the series. Those are the kinds of OP fans that are "OMG OP is soooo GOOD", "OP is MASTERRACE", "OP < FT, Bleach, Naruto, HitmanReborn". I know a person who only watches One Piece and says its the greatest anime in the world. Like fuck you man. I am a Suuuuperrrr One Piece fan but I did not ever once say OP was the best in the world. TL;DR: One Piece is getting a lot of hate since the current arc Dressrosa is taking a 1yr+ to get it done. But when the arc gets uber good then they turn tail and come back like a dog and lick the True OP fans feet with regret in their eyes. and we're at MAL so people just calm down. It's still the leading anime around the world. East or West, mostly EASTERN part. EDIT: Even the manga got fucked up. I swear it was 9.01 when I started MAL 8months ago. I will use the Guiness Book of World Records and slap those hoes who caused the manga to go down hard. Not sure if sarcastic or not e.e A little bit of both ~.~ |
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bigivelfhq said: Mikasa said: 30 millions less volumes sold now, MAL Anime went from 8.66 to 8.62 which is a HUGE feat considering the fanbase. The larger the numbers, the harder it is to change the numbers. Manga was in the top 5 or 6 and now it's top 8, also a difficult feat considering the few contenders. Where the hell came that less 30 millions? You don't know what you're talking about right? One Piece did his highest in 2011 with 37,996,373 sales in that year(Dahaka_ already said why the number was so high). Note how the new volumes being sold that year were the ones from Return to Sabaody and Fishman Island Arc! If it sold less 30 Millions that would mean that right now it was selling around 7,996,373 copies, with 4 new volumes. That obviously didn't happen and it sold 11,885,957 copies last year, and that with less 1 volume released that year due to Oda Health problems. MAL anime just got down from 8.63 to 8.62. It was for a long time in 8.63. When was it 8.66? Also MAL numbers mean little, when you have it in Japan getting better TV rankings. Manga had just decreased by 0.01. The position in the top matters little. Those 30 millions were from new fans, whether it's old volumes or not, One Piece no longer attracts new fans, just one or two OP was 9.02 and now 8.99 (ignoring the emergency fake account boosts lately) Anime was 8.66 and now it's dropped by 4. That's HUGE considering the size. Not to mention the overall lack of interest in the chapters lately. Dressrosa polls are all unfavorable. |
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| It seems like this "real/fake" fan stuff is rapidly becoming a meme within the One Piece fanbase. Reminds me of the word "secondaries" used by UBW VN fans. |
| The only problem I have is the slow pace sure it saves us from fillers but each episode is a grind to get through making them basically fillers, Plus we get flashbacks and useless junk all the time. Also lol what's this bullshiet about "True Fans"? I've been watching since it first aired on Cartoon network dubbed years ago and I'm upto the latest episode out to date, I used to praise One piece and gave it a fairly high score (8 I believe) before the Punk Hazard Arc came out but because all of a sudden I criticize something for not living upto it's potential I'm not a "True Fan"? If anything I'm the "True Fan" for believing the anime could 100% be better instead of blinding myself to such obvious flaws. Also who cares about sales? If someone has been watching for 700 episodes I doubt they will stop any time soon |
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exLightning said: The only problem I have is the slow pace sure it saves us from fillers but each episode is a grind to get through making them basically fillers, Plus we get flashbacks and useless junk all the time. Also lol what's this bullshiet about "True Fans"? I've been watching since it first aired on Cartoon network dubbed years ago and I'm upto the latest episode out to date, I used to praise One piece and gave it a fairly high score (8 I believe) before the Punk Hazard Arc came out but because all of a sudden I criticize something for not living upto it's potential I'm not a "True Fan"? If anything I'm the "True Fan" for believing the anime could 100% be better instead of blinding myself to such obvious flaws. Also who cares about sales? If someone has been watching for 700 episodes I doubt they will stop any time soon Beware to all the people on this thread, I am about to go apeshit cause of the outside world problems. I'm pissed off and I'm going to take it out on you guys, which I shouldn't do, but I want to respond, and my aggression will bleed into the post. So, disclaimer done: Do you guys not know how to read? I mean c'mon! I've already said this a million f-ing times! In what language does what I write correlate with you not being a true fan?!?!? Are you one of the people who joined the Whitebeard bandwagon? Are you one of those people that expected Marineford every f-ing arc? Are you one of those people who rushed through the first 400 episodes, watching 5 minutes an episode because you chose to only pay attention to the fights and skip everything else? Were you one of the people who even skipped important arcs while watching- not because people told you they were filler and were mistaken- but because you thought they were BORING? If you are one of the people that LOVE One Piece because of one arc, while hating/disliking/not caring for EVERY SINGLE OTHER F-ING ARC, then guess what, you're not a true f-ing fan! In what planet does a person who skips shit call themselves a fan? You're not a fan of One Piece, if you don't like it when the Straw Hat's are together- or rather, any of the content that had them together. You're not a fan if you don't like anything but that one single Marineford Saga. That's the bottom line. That's what I've been saying. If you want to not read posts, and yet act like people are victimizing you, then go ahead and expect people to look at your posts with incredulous-ness. Legit. You're not even the only one in this thread. Who said that a fan can't see flaws? Name one person in this thread that argued such. No one did. Not one f-ing person. K? There's no real argument on here about real/fake fans. Everyone's in agreement, and acting like there's some sort of heated debate about whether true fans are blinded or otherwise. F this. Can you guys not understand english? C'mon! READ. READ. READ. F-ING IDIOTS JUST WANT TO BE VICTIMS. It's not just here. All around the world, and all around political issues too. Stop playing the f-ing victim. No one said anything that would illicit your antagonism. No one. Anyway, sorry for all the cursing.... I'm mad, and this is a very tame version of what I'm feeling inside... At least I've cooled off... I hate antagonizing people and speaking condescendingly/throwing insults, but i'm Peeved, thankfully not to the max. 8animet said: exLightning said: The only problem I have is the slow pace sure it saves us from fillers but each episode is a grind to get through making them basically fillers, Plus we get flashbacks and useless junk all the time. Also lol what's this bullshiet about "True Fans"? I've been watching since it first aired on Cartoon network dubbed years ago and I'm upto the latest episode out to date, I used to praise One piece and gave it a fairly high score (8 I believe) before the Punk Hazard Arc came out but because all of a sudden I criticize something for not living upto it's potential I'm not a "True Fan"? If anything I'm the "True Fan" for believing the anime could 100% be better instead of blinding myself to such obvious flaws. Also who cares about sales? If someone has been watching for 700 episodes I doubt they will stop any time soon Yeah this forum is full of silly haters (the OP for an example) but also blind fanboys who just praise everything about OP and claim that one isn't a true fan if you don't like everything about it The anime definitely doesn't deserve to be called good anymore Each to their own. I think the anime is still good. It used to be great. It used to be fantastic. Now? It's simply good. The problem is the wait. For me, I abhored watching Fishman island weekly. For the first time ever, I put the anime on hold. And I don't do that with One Piece. I've been following it since Thriller, weekly. But anyway, Fishman Island was horrible to watch weekly. Then when I rewatched it, I actually enjoyed it. I didn't like how they treated the fight against Hody. They made Luffy look really weak. Animation wasn't good either. Which is why, out of all the arcs, Fishman is one of my least liked arcs. The anime now, is okay. It's good. Nothing more imo. (Return to Shabondy was glorious though). Punk Hazard was also tough to watch weekly. Dressrosa has been much better, which is the only reason I'm using good instead of okay these days. I haven't rewatched Punk Hazard or Dressrosa yet, but they should be much more enjoyable when marathoned. Actually, I've been putting Dressrosa on hold every now and then to watch 2-3 episodes at a time, and it's really helped! When watched like that, it's actually MUCH MUCH better. I have had zero complaints about pacing/etc. since doing such. Weekly watch, you can tell that the pace is 1 episode = 1 chapter/less. But when you watch 2-3 episodes at once, it really gets more exciting and the pacing is less noticed... by me at least. -- Something else I noticed: Every single year since 2000, there's been a One Piece movie- until 2011. In 2011, we had our first One Piece film (which is a movie... but there's been made a distinction). Anyway, since 2011, we've had a movie/film etc. once every 2 years or so.... but of MUCH higher quality. (So not getting one this year is strange, but oh well). Anyway, since 2011, we've also had specials, which were once movies. So, there exists the Alabasta movie, which is essentially a summary of the Alabasta arc. Now, instead of titling them as movies, these condensed versions of arcs are now being made into summary specials. The quality of the anime has been on the decline ever since 2011, when these specials started being released yearly. We are getting high quality films every 2 or so years, and high quality summary specials on a yearly basis. So, it's not just that the budget is going towards these side creations, I think there's more to it. So, it's either a reward or a money maker. Lemmie explain: It could be a money milker, but it could also be in order to compensate. We will be getting very slow episodes because of how close we are to the manga. It's inevitable, no matter how many filler episodes they add. So, they probably decided to give us a better version of the arc in special format. So, the entire Dressrosa arc which is getting so many complaints for, will be re-animated in GREAT quality in a special. All big arcs will have specials made of the content re-animated into BEAUTIFUL FANTASTIC AWESOMENESS. (Again, they'll also make a lot of money from it). They are also making them so people can more easily catch up. I was originially thinking that they would remake the entire series with great pacing etc., in 10 years so that they could make even more money and get rid of all the problems... but the specials were made so I'm not sure if it'll happen as soon... Anyway, Dressrosa will be re-animated most likely, so all I can do is shrug at that point. I'm hopeful is all, and mostly speculating. There's lots of flaws with the anime, but if you're having trouble I recommend 2-3 episode bulk watching. I had complaints back in the beginning of the arc, but now alls good. The arc really isn't that badly adapted. It's dragged, but 2-3 episode bulk watching alleviates that problem. {EDIT: I think the arc will be AMAZING to watch when marathoned. Thriller wasn't all that good on my first watch but marathoning it made it much much more enjoyable. Some arcs are barely salvaged- like FI- but I have a feeling Dressrosa will be great when marathoned. 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DarkAngelzJul 6, 2015 12:37 PM
DarkAngelz said: [ Do you guys not know how to read? I mean c'mon! I've already said this a million f-ing times! In what language does what I write Are you for real. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1400749#msg40696415 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1400749#msg40692419 You are not the only one who said something about 'true fans' |
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tsudecimo said: DarkAngelz said: [ Do you guys not know how to read? I mean c'mon! I've already said this a million f-ing times! In what language does what I write Are you for real. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1400749#msg40696415 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1400749#msg40692419 You are not the only one who said something about 'true fans' I don't get how the first point supports you. That post doesn't say anything about true fans being fans that see no faults. If anything, the post says the opposite. MantaBaby said: Real fans appreciate the work and the effort put into the arc or series and understand why those things are happening. Those fake fans just watch OP since its really popular and "rush" watch the series. Those are the kinds of OP fans that are "OMG OP is soooo GOOD", "OP is MASTERRACE", "OP < FT, Bleach, Naruto, HitmanReborn". I know a person who only watches One Piece and says its the greatest anime in the world. Like fuck you man. I am a Suuuuperrrr One Piece fan but I did not ever once say OP was the best in the world. This person, if I'm reading it correctly, is saying that real fans understand the effort put in, etc. Never was it said that real fans don't see flaws. If anything, she explained that fans- like herself- don't necessarily think it is "the best in the world". The post is filled with sarcasm and whatnot, but it's clear that there is no implication or stance saying or siding with "TRUE FANS DONT SEE FLAWS!!! >.<" The second one... I didn't notice when I re-scanned the thread for the post. Eh, darn. Heko said: Those who realy love One Piece , not matter what will hepens still love's it, and those fo is reall fan of it never hate or tallks bad about it One Piece live's forever I didn't take this post seriously when I first saw it. If the entire argument stems from this single post, then I still have a problem here. I concede, there was an argument placed (one I hadn't taken seriously,) so there's that. I was wrong there. BUT, the people on this thread are acting like they've been antagonized and verbally manhandled by people of this thread, for their opinions. ExLightning hadn't seemed like he was responding to an offhand comment that had no examples to its name. Exlightning seemed to be responding to a comment that had an example, definition, or specific distinction that made him feel defensive. Look, I might be wrong about who he and others were responding to. My original, and probably mistaken, understanding of the word forum was of this thread. Well, technically it means, in this case, MAL as a whole, not this thread... so they might have been speaking about OP fans on MAL. For some reason, through red shades perhaps, I understood it to mean this thread, and was put off by a generalization for the people in this thread when there really weren't any such antagonisms etc. Eh. *shrug* [EDIT: Also, I already know my post was unwarranted. Only wrote it cause I was peeved elsewhere- which is not a good reason but tis the reason regardless. The "Are you for real" well, red shared. Red shades. Off right now hallelujah, but they'll prob come back if I get anymore verbally assaulted irl. Not a good day at all.] |
DarkAngelzJul 6, 2015 1:03 PM
| umm, my point was that exlighting wasn't directly calling you out or something. Other two users brought up 'true fans'. So he was talking about the whole notion, rather that direct individuals. I didn't read your rant past what I quoted. |
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tsudecimo said: umm, my point was that exlighting wasn't directly calling you out or something. Other two users brought up 'true fans'. So he was talking about the whole notion, rather that direct individuals. I didn't read your rant past what I quoted. Yeah that works. But I wonder what post set him off. I realize, by the fact that I wasn't quoted, that it wasn't a direct response to my post, but I felt like his post was to some degree a response to my own. I had red shades on so I'll just put my tail behind my legs and concede haha. Meh, too meek sometimes. Ah well. |
| lol Toei does suck. :D But One Piece is One Piece so no* matter how much the production company sucks, gotta watch it. Even if the OP anime* degrades into manure, I'd still rate it well and think of it fondly (and continue to watch) because 1. source material 2. history and 3. loyalty. Plus, manure has a special place in my heart after Biff got shoved in it so hard time after time. Teehee. But seriously, Toei does suck. LMAO |
| The anime is dragged out the only reason people are watching is because why drop a show 700 ep in? It's also playing it way to safe, fishman, punk hazard were average, dressrosa has it's moments but WAY to dragged out. |
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ichii_1 said: The anime is dragged out the only reason people are watching is because why drop a show 700 ep in? It's also playing it way to safe, fishman, punk hazard were average, dressrosa has it's moments but WAY to dragged out. If that were true, then I wouldn't be rewatching any of the arcs... multiple times even. Why watch a dragged out arc again if I only was watching due to loyalty? I'm not that strange! (to be the only one to rewatch these episodes that is) EDIT: I plan to rewatch the PH and Dressrosa arcs once Dressrosa ends. I wouldn't be doing this if the anime sucked so badly. |
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