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| Goddamn, Gilgamesh's dialogue reads like an emo teenager. The fight between Assassin and Saber was less a fight and more like a confession you'd see on the Jerry Springer show and the part played by the person with ambiguous gender is Assassin. I'm not this because I'm really this. Even that is only half true and let me tell you why. |
ANGRY2011 said: WrongPriest said: I too held the same belief, however I think this episode broke me. Everything they did right had two things wrong with it, as an adaptation and as an anime. You've lost your light, Wrong. Perhaps it's better to never know love, than to lose it. - WrongPriest 2015 |
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| Damn I was really hoping gil would say "ENUMA ELISH" |
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zurgboy00 said: if he had actually invoked the ability the entire area would have been wiped including the grail more than likely. or not he has used it at like 5% and still invoked it.Damn I was really hoping gil would say "ENUMA ELISH" |
WrongPriest said: ANGRY2011 said: You've lost your light, Wrong. Perhaps it's better to never know love, than to lose it. - WrongPriest 2015 And so yet another falls to the mud salt |
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| I forgot how overpowered Gil's noble phantom was from Fate/Zero. |
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Eylandos said: heh, you didnt even see it at maximum power either.I forgot how overpowered Gil's noble phantom was from Fate/Zero. |
| Dreading next week's episode. That line from the preview just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. |
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Maloghurst said: Eylandos said: heh, you didnt even see it at maximum power either.I forgot how overpowered Gil's noble phantom was from Fate/Zero. One truly has to wonder how Shirou will pull this off. |
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| Ok, so there's a couple of things I'm a bit lost on. First, what exactly do those curses do? Like, they said there's no way a human could handle them, but they didn't exactly say why or what they do to your body/soul/whatever. Second, why would the arm-penis thing (as people seem to be calling it) go for Gilgamesh? Wouldn't it go for Rin since the Grail needs a mage? Is there something I'm missing? Also, which of the three routes has the "best" ending? I mean, not subjectively the best, but rather, which one benefits the world the most? Like, maybe one route has the heroes defeat the big bad but there's a bigger bad later on as a result while another has them beat a different big bad and the world is peaceful afterwards. In that sense, which one ends "best?" |
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Eylandos said: i've got mixed feelings about the Ea scene here. on one hand it's foreshadowing one thing on the other hand if they went with the original scene they could have maybe made a minor tweak to ensure to foreshadow another thing. i personally would have preferred the latter. it would at least answer some questions that i KNOW will be asked later...Maloghurst said: heh, you didnt even see it at maximum power either. One truly has to wonder how Shirou will pull this off. |
TheHonestThief said: Dreading next week's episode. That line from the preview just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. Yeah. It should be "Here I come, King of Heroes. Do you have enough weapons in stock?" not "Let's do this, King of Heroes. Do you have enough weapons stored up?". Of course, they might fix it next ep. I meant HoribbleSubs, btw. |
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Maloghurst said: Eylandos said: i've got mixed feelings about the Ea scene here. on one hand it's foreshadowing one thing on the other hand if they went with the original scene they could have maybe made a minor tweak to ensure to foreshadow another thing. i personally would have preferred the latter. it would at least answer some questions that i KNOW will be asked later...One truly has to wonder how Shirou will pull this off. Well at least you have legitimate complaint and not "the Ea only blew off the arm and not the whole thing. Bullshit!" |
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hawk222 said: Ok, so there's a couple of things I'm a bit lost on. First, what exactly do those curses do? Like, they said there's no way a human could handle them, but they didn't exactly say why or what they do to your body/soul/whatever. Second, why would the arm-penis thing (as people seem to be calling it) go for Gilgamesh? Wouldn't it go for Rin since the Grail needs a mage? Is there something I'm missing? Also, which of the three routes has the "best" ending? I mean, not subjectively the best, but rather, which one benefits the world the most? Like, maybe one route has the heroes defeat the big bad but there's a bigger bad later on as a result while another has them beat a different big bad and the world is peaceful afterwards. In that sense, which one ends "best?" -the curses is all the worlds evil. it can do things ranging from mentaly bombarding you with madness to completely melting you. Rin normally would have desolved in the mud but she swallowed a gem to boost her mana and reinforce herself. -gil being a servant is a being made of prana is going to draw the attention of the grail far more than a magus. especially seeing how the grail has to comsume servants to gain enough power to be completed. it's def going to prioritize a powerhouse of mana over a magus despite how powerful of a magus rin is. -all the endings work out really. all the character plot threads are resolved in some way shape or form. it's not all sugar tops though. as for big bads well..this is a massive expansive world there are def more big bads out there. some of which can never be really dealt with. |
MaloghurstJun 13, 2015 10:27 PM
| They shattered my already low expectations, how did they make this boring? |
| I recall the VN emphasizing just how dangerous the pool of curses was, spending a great deal of time describing Tohsaka's pain and struggle wading through it, which built tension making you wonder whether she was going to make it. In this episode you just see her sweating and looking mildly uncomfortable as she walks through. Even with the gems she swallowed, it's still supposed to be very potent. You can't just pop some magic pills and trudge on through. But whatever, a minor gripe I can let sli-- Oh look, more overdone repetitive dialogue used to artificially inflate the runtime of uneventful static scenes so ufotable doesn't have to animate as much. So much for "Unlimited Budget Works". The fights this season have been a joke with totally underwhelming choreography broken up by far too much superfluous dialogue. And they clearly have no problem with letting the viewer peer into Saber's mind with inner monologues moments before the final clash, yet forgot to actually use this to explain how she defeats him. So Ufo apparently likes having run-on extraneous dialogue, but then omits it where it would actually be pertinent information to know. Lap1 said: btw didn't the quality of the animation diminished a bit since the Archer-Vs-Shirou fight? No, it diminished well before that, starting with the Caster v. Rin fight. Or did no one else notice the blatant copy-pasta animation of Rin shouting Sieben! only a few minutes apart in the very same episode? |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
MiniSiets said: So much for "Unlimited Budget Works". They ran out of mana and couldn't maintain it. No mana required retcon be damned. |
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VarunaBles said: they probably skimmed on the budget this episode considering what's gonna happen next episode...MiniSiets said: So much for "Unlimited Budget Works". They ran out of mana and couldn't maintain it. No mana required retcon be damned. |
VarunaBles said: TheHonestThief said: Dreading next week's episode. That line from the preview just leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. Yeah. It should be "Here I come, King of Heroes. Do you have enough weapons in stock?" not "Let's do this, King of Heroes. Do you have enough weapons stored up?". Of course, they might fix it next ep. I meant HoribbleSubs, btw. You misunderstand, I'm dreading the fight. |
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Maloghurst said: VarunaBles said: they probably skimmed on the budget this episode considering what's gonna happen next episode...They ran out of mana and couldn't maintain it. No mana required retcon be damned. TheHonestThief said: VarunaBles said: Yeah. It should be "Here I come, King of Heroes. Do you have enough weapons in stock?" not "Let's do this, King of Heroes. Do you have enough weapons stored up?". Of course, they might fix it next ep. I meant HoribbleSubs, btw. You misunderstand, I'm dreading the fight. Meh, that line is badass, especially the delivery. |
| Are you guys talking about the budget now... of all things, really? LOL The special effects this episode looking beautiful. Not even anime movies have this level of animation, let alone a regular episode. Assassin's noble phantasm, Shirou's projections, Ea... only a blind person could watch an episode like this and claim the budget was an issue. |
Zorrents said: yes. they have to create an entirely different one for shirou. though i get the feeling that his is probably gonna be all that it ends up doingMaloghurst said: they probably skimmed on the budget this episode considering what's gonna happen next episode... |
Z4k said: Because I agree with some parts of your post? Besides, I simply thought it was a fitting/amusing comparison, especially considering how both fanbase tend to use the same excuses when dealing with criticism concerning the anime adaptations of their beloved series. Not sure why you're getting so worked up about it.xenovibe said: Who said anything about attacking anybody's preference? I was just voicing my opinion and disappointment, just like you're doing. This is a discussion forum, if you can't comprehend that there are people with different views than yours, you probably should refrain from going on here in the first place. Cartoons sure are a serious business nowadays for some folks... Yes people have different views but what does that even have to do with anything I said? |
| Bleh. UBW climax is one of the worst parts of the VN. Still, I liked the Ea change, I prefer this version as opposed to what transpired in the VN, and the OST was nice too. Whatever. Reading the comments, it's amazing how some people forgive the outright badly written mess that's the VN UBW climax and yet have the gall to rip the anime apart to shreds. |
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RabidFantasy said: Bleh. UBW climax is one of the worst parts of the VN. Still, I liked the Ea change, I prefer this version as opposed to what transpired in the VN, and the OST was nice too. Whatever. Reading the comments, it's amazing how some people forgive the outright badly written mess that's the VN UBW climax and yet have the gall to rip the anime apart to shreds. Let me point out that I'm mostly salty because of what they did to Saber vs. Assassin. Seriously though that was some bullshit. |
RabidFantasy said: laidellent said: This is the start of one of the most OMFG EPIC scenes in the VN.You yourself stated...it lacked ...something....people will be dissapointed as they really have high expectations for this one.. Thanks, I had a good laugh. It's amazing how some people forgive the outright badly written mess that's the VN UBW climax and yet have the gall to rip the anime apart to shreds. This fanbase never fails to surprise me. Stop generalizing first of all. And maybe you and I have read different things? Because if you consider UBW TE to be a bad mess,then I don't know what to say actually because atleast from whatever interactions I had with those who had the played the VN,irrespective of the fact whether they are part of this fanbase,UBW TE is unanimously considered to be one of the best endings in Fate VN. Still though,I would like to hear why do you actually think so,if you really have legitimate point that is. |
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Zorrents said: TheHonestThief said: You misunderstand, I'm dreading the fight. Meh, that line is badass, especially the delivery. Maybe it would be if it wasn't so asinine. For the writers to even think about Shirou fighting Gilgamesh is complete absurdity. They should've made Gilgamesh far less powerful if they want the fight to feel even remotely believable. |
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TheHonestThief said: Zorrents said: Meh, that line is badass, especially the delivery. Maybe it would be if it wasn't so asinine. For the writers to even think about Shirou fighting Gilgamesh is complete absurdity. They should've made Gilgamesh far less powerful if they want the fight to feel even remotely believable. But the show does do that, because the show makes it quite clear that he's only toying with Shirou, not going all out. He literally says he's just fighting him for sport. It's obvious that he's not even using 10% of his full power against Shirou. Probably not even 5%. |
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| So after hearing a shit ton of VN readers, not all mind you, complain about the Saber vs Assassin fight I was curious and I went to go read....and it was exactly the fucking same except I got to hear Saber's thought, which was nice I'll admit, but it was almost a carbon copy of the VN. So why the complaining? |
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laidellent said: RabidFantasy said: Thanks, I had a good laugh. It's amazing how some people forgive the outright badly written mess that's the VN UBW climax and yet have the gall to rip the anime apart to shreds. This fanbase never fails to surprise me. Stop generalizing first of all. And maybe you and I have read different things? Because if you consider UBW TE to be a bad mess,then I don't know what to say actually because atleast from whatever interactions I had with those who had the played the VN,irrespective of the fact whether they are part of this fanbase,UBW TE is unanimously considered to be one of the best endings in Fate VN. Still though,I would like to hear why do you actually think so,if you really have legitimate point that is. When I mean climax, I'm talking about what happens post-Answer. I'm not talking about the True Ending. I'm genuinely annoyed at how people rarely mention the glaring plot holes and inconsistencies during the final showdown in the VN - they just forgive it because it was awesome, or something? |
bobzanny said: So after hearing a shit ton of VN readers, not all mind you, complain about the Saber vs Assassin fight I was curious and I went to go read....and it was exactly the fucking same except I got to hear Saber's thought, which was nice I'll admit, but it was almost a carbon copy of the VN. So why the complaining? Because it wasn't the same and you either didn't read it or you're blind? The anime doesn't explain or even show Assassin's sword being bent. It doesn't show that he blocked a blow instead of parrying to gen in position to use Tsubame Gaeshi. And it doesn't show or explain that his sword being bent creates a cap in Tsubame Gaeshi that allows saber to get through it and kill him. All we got was the hilt being a bit cracked after the fact. It was really stupid of them to have him monologue about who his is, but skip out on all of that explanation; on top of that, it barely showed them actually fighting at all. |
TheHonestThief said: Zorrents said: Meh, that line is badass, especially the delivery. Maybe it would be if it wasn't so asinine. For the writers to even think about Shirou fighting Gilgamesh is complete absurdity. They should've made Gilgamesh far less powerful if they want the fight to feel even remotely believable. He was litteraly sitting :p He is toying with Shirou. Ea that he didn't even use at full power against the grail show how powerfull he is if he was serious. |
fst said: bobzanny said: So after hearing a shit ton of VN readers, not all mind you, complain about the Saber vs Assassin fight I was curious and I went to go read....and it was exactly the fucking same except I got to hear Saber's thought, which was nice I'll admit, but it was almost a carbon copy of the VN. So why the complaining? Because it wasn't the same and you either didn't read it or you're blind? The anime doesn't explain or even show Assassin's sword being bent. It doesn't show that he blocked a blow instead of parrying to gen in position to use Tsubame Gaeshi. And it doesn't show or explain that his sword being bent creates a cap in Tsubame Gaeshi that allows saber to get through it and kill him. All we got was the hilt being a bit cracked after the fact. It was really stupid of them to have him monologue about who his is, but skip out on all of that explanation; on top of that, it barely showed them actually fighting at all. Then go reread those sections because I just did and most of it was exposition and Saber and Assassin talking which is far more important for the characters. They maybe exchange blows 3 times. And when dealing with the whole sword being bent, yes I'll admit that it would've been a nice feature but it doesn't take anything away from the scene. The animation for the Tsubame Gaeshi depicted the VN beautifully. |
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FlamepriesT said: Are you guys talking about the budget now... of all things, really? LOL The special effects this episode looking beautiful. Not even anime movies have this level of animation, let alone a regular episode. Assassin's noble phantasm, Shirou's projections, Ea... only a blind person could watch an episode like this and claim the budget was an issue. Where can I watch your version? |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
GreenSnow said: AnimeFanJoe123 said: Why so much hate for UBW? Sure, Fate/Zero was better but this is still good. In my opinion, it's better than most of the recent anime. From winter and spring. Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the shows the past two seasons. But comparatively, it's better than most of them. Because the fandom had to deal with a mediocre "Deen" adaptation and the bad image that it gave to the anime-comunity for years. A study by the name of UFOTABLE came and did a great adaptation of Kara no Kyoukai, another work by the author of fate (something that giving Nasu's writting is not easy), years later they animated Fate/Zero and did a good job. When this series was announced the hype of the fandom couldn't be contained, and that lead to this disappointment when thing were done in a half-assed way. The thing is, adapting a VN is not easy, adapting something written by Nasu is even harder given his writting style and the length of his works. A good adaptation would require the staff to have a concrete idea of what they need to show and how to show it, it would require time and talent to portray things visually in a good way. But apparently that much effort is unnecessary when you can put all your efforts and resources into a good "animation" and still earn a big profit. This is not a bad anime, is ok, even "good", it's just not good enough. Rather than the practically useless spoiler, baiting and "don't compare with the VN or F/Z" warning at the top of the forum, this post would be much better placed there. |
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Guilek said: TheHonestThief said: Maybe it would be if it wasn't so asinine. For the writers to even think about Shirou fighting Gilgamesh is complete absurdity. They should've made Gilgamesh far less powerful if they want the fight to feel even remotely believable. He was litteraly sitting :p He is toying with Shirou. Ea that he didn't even use at full power against the grail show how powerfull he is if he was serious. I know, that's why I loved this episode, but the line from the preview is what I found sickening. |
CamTheThiefJun 14, 2015 2:14 AM
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TheHonestThief said: I know, that's why I loved this episode, but said the line from the preview is what I found sickening. Why though? Shirou is the only one of the cast that actually stands a chance against Gil. Rock doesn't beat Paper just because of Scissors. Plus, as said, he never gets serious when dealing with mongrels. The reason for that line is because of Unless, you're an AO viewer and only watched DEEN UBW (which is a stupid adaptation) then I can understand why you'd get mad or disappointed. |
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VarunaBles said: TheHonestThief said: I know, that's why I loved this episode, but said the line from the preview is what I found sickening. Why though? Shirou is the only one of the cast that actually stands a chance against Gil. Rock doesn't beat Paper just because of Scissors. Plus, as said, he never gets serious when dealing with mongrels. The reason for that line is because of Unless, you're an AO viewer and only watched DEEN UBW (which is a stupid adaptation) then I can understand why you'd get mad or disappointed. No one knows what UBW actually does, so I don't know why he should think that Shirou stands a chance against Gil. |
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Lollo36 said: Too bad no one knows what UBW actually does, so I don't know why he should think that Shirou stands a chance against Gil. I'm sure he'll still think like that even if they fully show what UBW is capable of. This is Gil we're talking about. |
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| So, finally got to watching the episode. I think i can forgive everything i had an issue with, except how they made the episode more boring than it should've been. Seriously, most of the events scream to be epically depicted in anime form, yet they managed to make them... dull. I'm actually kinda impressed. 4/5 for Shinichiro Miki's awesome voice. |
| Shirou was great in this episode.Even though Gilgamesh held back,the way he projected his swords was awesome.Even Gilgamesh looked badass,he finally showed his sword of rupture.Assasin looks kinda stupid fighting Saber without any valid reason but he was defeated easily,He's no match against saber's technique that's for sure but the way they showed how assasin moved in his final attacked was cool.Overall,it was great only,Gilgamesh looked better than the last few episodes. |
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| That...was pretty underwhelming. I can't even really put my finger on it, but the saber vs assassin fight just felt so flat. I was hoping ufo could at least partially redeem themselves for goofing up on shirou vs archer by nailing this climax, but it isn't going well so far. I'm a bit worried about the final fight coming up. Never thought I'd see myself joining in with the salt brigade, but the way things have panned out with this adaption, I'm finding myself leaning that way. The execution of this second cour has just been very sloppy. Poorly implemented flashbacks, way too reliant on talking heads, it's felt very rushed at times, yet dragged out at others. The fights have received a severe downgrade in both quality and quantity, and that's a real big problem in the half that's supposed to have the best fights. And ultimately, everything just seems to lack impact. This is all very disappointing after what I considered to be a solid first half. I realise a lot of the hardcore VN purists were shitting all over that as well, and while I didn't think it was perfect by any means, I still hold that it was a decent adaption of the first half of UBW. Even during the first half of this season, when it became evident that things were being rushed, I could still enjoy it. But these last few episodes have cemented the adaption as a disappointment for me. I can appreciate the second cour for giving us a pretty kickass OP, but that's about it. I'm still gonna hold out hope for HF, but with only 2 episodes left UBW is a lost cause by this point even if those final 2 are perfect. |
WilliwodJun 14, 2015 4:55 AM
Loserguy said: next week finale? Nope. There are two episodes left. |
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