Owari no Seraph Episode 10 Discussion

mrdkreka said:

Okay I give up, please tell me what makes this show worth watching?

zilch16 said:
Wow! And now, the supposedly Episode 10 Discussion has become the Whole Series Discussion with all those hates, complains coming from.

Can we just all go with the already created discussion? " Why so much hate ?" rather than saying how much you think this series sucks in an episode discussion?

Just saying.

zilch16 said:
All I see are complain about the still frame animation...

I really can't understand people why they are so much complaining at a scene that didn't even last long for 30 seconds. All you see are the bad side of the anime.

Oh well, i forgot that most of you are the same people who hate those other new shows as well~

Maybe, i am wrong in coming here. It is not MAL (My Anime List) but MCL (My Complaining List).

Arashi_ said:


Cause most people on MAL think they're superior and they will have better taste than other people if they complain about everything in these anime and praise how masterpiece LOGH is. You should just ignore them like I'm doing.

TheCorruptedOne said:
Stab first, ask questions later.

On another note, after all that talk, Guren is just as idiotic as Yu... At least the OP vampires set him straight.

Inugirlz said:


Yet he's still fighting along side them by helping them get rid of the human army.

mira-nyan said:



He's actually really smart, tho...

fst said:


o rly?



I mean fuck, he didn't even know he got stabbed in the heart until I told him about it.

mira-nyan said:


Obviously I have taken control over him :^)

mira-nyan said:


He doesn't talk to me often D=

fst said:

Well I wonder whose fault that is

Sourire said:
calm down fanboy, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Pat_To_Do-List said:

Be patient. That's simply the fate of an anime with this quality.

Chuunichan said:
Oh the haters. This is the reason why MAL episode discussion is like a tornado, but worse. Everything that isn't my cup of tea (which mean anything that isn't seinen/josei) sucks. Only talk about the flaw to make it looks shit. If this show is trying too hard to be edgy, than those haters are trying harder to look mature and edgy. And more cringeworthy. Hating on the popular shounen show doesn't make you any more mature, really. Sometimes we need to just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.

And also, to not go off topic, FINALLY! Yuu and Mika's reunion!!!

zilch16 said:


well, I can agree that those still really is the center of discussion this episode. And well, what we will expect in MAL. This is why most people didn't go here since every anime discussion won't loose this kind of storm. Obviously, this is the name that curves within the MAL.

One of the outrageous and crazy discussion thread. And mostly all haters are lurking ^_^

Chuunichan said:

GAH!!! I fucking agree with you!!! But the worst part for us fan is how the haters aren't just the more vocal one, but they also constantly shoving their opinion to our throat. I hate it when they constantly insisting that it's bad because they say so. Mature people my ass.

L-Ryoshi said:


Hrm.... the Story, the Characters and the awesome OP and ED songs? XD

The only thing bad about it all is that the animation for the fight scenes are unbearably slow and that the characters talk way too much DURING the fights. Apart from that I'm willing to forgive the jerky animated movements for moments that are either filler or don't matter as much (like the Corporal walking the kids to the vehicle from last episode).
Do you think my question is a joke? You can't say only, and then afterwards mention even more they did terrible, the filler served zero purpose, and was not worth watching for any reason.

Okay you have been very contradicting in your comment, but this have piqued my interest, what show have a bad enough plot that it isn't worth watching?

Chuunichan said:
*sigh* Do I have to say it every time we talk about this anime?! This anime is not your cup of tea.

KokoroYuudai said:
k im gonna say it. this is horrible. i love the story and read the manga, but wtf.

this episode was horrible l, so was last. the Anime cant seem to place its bgms correctly leaving akward silence in fights. while that may work sometimes l, its n out working here. and the fucking still frames annoy me to no end. seriously, we never even actually see a real war beteeen human and vampire. just one person doing something thrn mov3 on to the next frame. plus the deafening silence kills the feeling that this is war. MOST OF THEM DISSAPPEAR HALFWAY THROUGH THE EPISODE. LIKE WTF. its not even fighting half
of the time. its just more horrible character development scenes of yu and hus friends over and over and bunch of gloating and ego fluxes.

and whats up withwith fucking sound effects. i didnt know clashing swords make those boom sounds. wtf.

we need a fight like shinoa vs yu in ep 2. that was fluid, exciting with orgasmic animation and great coreagraphy. now we have stiff, akward silence fights. this adaption has really let me down.

Chuunichan said:
Oh the haters. This is the reason why MAL episode discussion is like a tornado, but worse. Everything that isn't my cup of tea (which mean anything that isn't seinen/josei) sucks. Only talk about the flaw to make it looks shit. If this show is trying too hard to be edgy, than those haters are trying harder to look mature and edgy. And more cringeworthy. Hating on the popular shounen show doesn't make you any more mature, really. Sometimes we need to just sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride.

Takeoff31 said:
I don't really get the complain about the still frame, i think Mika vs Guren is fine, so does Kimizuki and others fights in central park, If the one people complain is the vampires army vs the human army, it is not easily to animate so much movements together, that is why you either get that still or horrible CG like Arslan, i don't really bother with them fighting fodders with still frame we gets so many scene of them fighting fodders already, why would they spend budget on that. and if you want to see more of Guren's team fights the vampires fodder, they didn't even draw their fights in the manga.

Pat_To_Do-List said:

Not easy, but achievable.
While I agree the CGI in Arslan was bad, at least they managed to capture the atmosphere of the war & how colossal it was. But here, not even close. And actually, for a clash between two groups of elites from humans & vampires, it was really quiet.

Pat_To_Do-List said:

Not easy, but achievable.
While I agree the CGI in Arslan was bad, at least they managed to capture the atmosphere of the war & how colossal it was. But here, not even close. And actually, for a clash between two groups of elites from humans & vampires, it was really quiet.

Takeoff31 said:


Actually only Guren's fight scenes that matters, because even in the manga they didn't draw the fight of rest of Guren's team, at least they showed some frames in the anime, that is why i have no problem with that.

Monad said:
Oh God! This show really has no budget at all does it? It was so obvious they had no budget to animate the fights and they tried everything to get around it, lol.

-BTW did you hear that Guren is currently in a bloody life or death battle? Should we run there immediately and help?
-No lets just walk slowly around the camp while talking and maybe we can even overhear shit. No need to hurry at all.
LATER:
-Great we found our friends. Btw we were suppose to be helping that Guren guy that as i mentioned some time ago his in a life or death battle. So NOW should we hurry?
-Nope. Let's just have a slow chat with the other guys of our group we just found. No need to hurry at all.
LATER:
-Finally we are here. OH SHIT! Guren is about to get stabbed! If only we were here a minute or two earlier.
-Yeah go figure is not like we were wasting time by chatting and walking slowly around our camp and shit. Weird huh? Oh wait a minute... Btw arrow guy should you use that long range fucking thing you got(it's chopper case all over again) for something? I don't know like shooting at the guy that is about to stab Guren since we won't be able to get there in time despite not delaying at all(just saying)?
-No, didn't you realize from the previous episode that i left the choppers shoot at you a tone of times before i did anything that i just don't do such shit? Let him get stab at least once and we will see.
-O_O ok then...





You people are full of shit. You just don't want to hear any bad criticism for your little love animu.
No one is trying to be edgy here. This is from the times that 90% of criticisms are very valid. The problems they say this show has are clearly there.
Try to at least have half the brain to realize when people are being obnoxious against a popular show and when they make valid criticisms. If you can't find that balance and you ether criticize everything or you just hate hearing criticism about everything then you are out of touch.
And this show is very much our cub of tea. That is what is making it more annoying that is being so badly made. When i starter i was like "Vampires vs Demon weapon wielding humans in a destroyed world? FUCK YEAH!" But after seeing all the hopes i had being animated and directed so badly i am like "WTF is this shit?!"

zilch16 said:
Just like we repeatedly said. The lack of animation is really not always lack of budget. if you could say, WIT has a lot of it since until now, they are still gaining some glory from SnK. What lack here is an enough of time to make a better animation. We knows that animators has this freaking deadlines to finished an episode on before it airs.

But if some of you don't know, watch Shirobako and you can understand that the reality is not really that of a fantastic one.

Monad said:


So they have money but can't use them because they don't have time? Same shit really. It makes no difference. Also is not just the lack of decent animation. Is also the lack of good directing. I have seen low budget shows trying to make fight scenes with not very expensive animation and if the director is smart even if what he can do is mostly stills then he knows what stills he can use and in what way to make the experience decent. This is not happening in this show.

zilch16 said:
Wow! And now, the supposedly Episode 10 Discussion has become the Whole Series Discussion with all those hates, complains coming from.

Can we just all go with the already created discussion? " Why so much hate ?" rather than saying how much you think this series sucks in an episode discussion?

Just saying.

Monad said:


It doesn't matter what the manga did. The manga is still pictures anyway. It can't show you every little movement. Few manga manage to capture fighting scenes movements very well. You expect the animation company to give life to it and enhance it. That's what a good studio and director does. They made the opposite. They make you want to prefer the manga because at least the suffering will be less since it's not an animated medium butchering everything.

Monad said:
Oh God! This show really has no budget at all does it? It was so obvious they had no budget to animate the fights and they tried everything to get around it, lol.

-BTW did you hear that Guren is currently in a bloody life or death battle? Should we run there immediately and help?
-No lets just walk slowly around the camp while talking and maybe we can even overhear shit. No need to hurry at all.
LATER:
-Great we found our friends. Btw we were suppose to be helping that Guren guy that as i mentioned some time ago his in a life or death battle. So NOW should we hurry?
-Nope. Let's just have a slow chat with the other guys of our group we just found. No need to hurry at all.
LATER:
-Finally we are here. OH SHIT! Guren is about to get stabbed! If only we were here a minute or two earlier.
-Yeah go figure is not like we were wasting time by chatting and walking slowly around our camp and shit. Weird huh? Oh wait a minute... Btw arrow guy should you use that long range fucking thing you got(it's chopper case all over again) for something? I don't know like shooting at the guy that is about to stab Guren since we won't be able to get there in time despite not delaying at all(just saying)?
-No, didn't you realize from the previous episode that i left the choppers shoot at you a tone of times before i did anything that i just don't do such shit? Let him get stab at least once and we will see.
-O_O ok then...





You people are full of shit. You just don't want to hear any bad criticism for your little love animu.
No one is trying to be edgy here. This is from the times that 90% of criticisms are very valid. The problems they say this show has are clearly there.
Try to at least have half the brain to realize when people are being obnoxious against a popular show and when they make valid criticisms. If you can't find that balance and you ether criticize everything or you just hate hearing criticism about everything then you are out of touch.
And this show is very much our cub of tea. That is what is making it more annoying that is being so badly made. When i starter i was like "Vampires vs Demon weapon wielding humans in a destroyed world? FUCK YEAH!" But after seeing all the hopes i had being animated and directed so badly i am like "WTF is this shit?!"

zilch16 said:
Well, this might be the last post I will made since people can't seem to understand our fans reasoning as we are trying our hardest to understand those who criticize.

But I will just say that mostly in Japan, animation quality isn't the most prioritize but the story plot itself. They are watching on TV so the viewers really doesn't that much cared about the animation quality. We are just mostly watching in the net, so why do we have to butch over a series that originally shown in the TV. Why don't we just enjoy watching the series since at least we can watch it free?

Well, not that I care anymore. As far as I know (thanks for my friend from japan), OnS is quite appreciated there [Greatly appreciated], unlike us who just watches it free but still can't appreciate the series.

And sorry for the lack of budget you said. If you said that I am just nothing but protecting the anime I love. Sorry but I can understand what those animators going on (As I am 4 years studying animation now). And I will really said that the quality of animation is not just the lack of budget bt greatly in lack of time (already said it for almost 4x).

Ok, gotta leave now. Since no one really cares about anything we fans says.

Monad said:
I have seen a lot worse CG than that. There not being used much when it matter really so they are fine. And the few fight scenes were a ton of times better than this show ether because of good directing or better animation. Sorry but the two shows aren't even comparable in quality. Arslan steps over this like an ant.

Monad said:
It doesn't matter what the manga did. The manga is still pictures anyway. It can't show you every little movement. Few manga manage to capture fighting scenes movements very well. You expect the animation company to give life to it and enhance it. That's what a good studio and director does. They made the opposite. They make you want to prefer the manga because at least the suffering will be less since it's not an animated medium butchering everything.

Takeoff31 said:
The problem is the priority and time, they clearly prioritize to animated the scenes that matter, they spend more efforts and times for that, meanwhile the ones that do not matter don't get as much of treatment since even the original source didn't even draw them, it is lucky they even add some frames for that, the anime didn't butcher anything.

Chuunichan said:
I'm sorry, but I'm nothing like what you think. What I mean is to stop being obnoxious about your opinions. All the haters here are more annoying than the fans!

zilch16 said:
Well, this might be the last post I will made since people can't seem to understand our fans reasoning as we are trying our hardest to understand those who criticize.

But I will just say that mostly in Japan, animation quality isn't the most prioritize but the story plot itself. They are watching on TV so the viewers really doesn't that much cared about the animation quality. We are just mostly watching in the net, so why do we have to butch over a series that originally shown in the TV. Why don't we just enjoy watching the series since at least we can watch it free?

Well, not that I care anymore. As far as I know (thanks for my friend from japan), OnS is quite appreciated there [Greatly appreciated], unlike us who just watches it free but still can't appreciate the series.

And sorry for the lack of budget you said. If you said that I am just nothing but protecting the anime I love. Sorry but I can understand what those animators going on (As I am 4 years studying animation now). And I will really said that the quality of animation is not just the lack of budget bt greatly in lack of time (already said it for almost 4x).

Ok, gotta leave now. Since no one really cares about anything we fans says.

Takeoff31 said:


The problem is the priority and time, they clearly prioritize to animated the scenes that matter, they spend more efforts and times for that, meanwhile the ones that do not matter don't get as much of treatment since even the original source didn't even draw them, it is lucky they even add some frames for that, the anime didn't butcher anything.

zilch16 said:
Well, this might be the last post I will made since people can't seem to understand our fans reasoning as we are trying our hardest to understand those who criticize.

But I will just say that mostly in Japan, animation quality isn't the most prioritize but the story plot itself. They are watching on TV so the viewers really doesn't that much cared about the animation quality. We are just mostly watching in the net, so why do we have to butch over a series that originally shown in the TV. Why don't we just enjoy watching the series since at least we can watch it free?

Well, not that I care anymore. As far as I know (thanks for my friend from japan), OnS is quite appreciated there [Greatly appreciated], unlike us who just watches it free but still can't appreciate the series.

And sorry for the lack of budget you said. If you said that I am just nothing but protecting the anime I love. Sorry but I can understand what those animators going on (As I am 4 years studying animation now). And I will really said that the quality of animation is not just the lack of budget bt greatly in lack of time (already said it for almost 4x).

Ok, gotta leave now. Since no one really cares about anything we fans says.

Chuunichan said:
I'm sorry Pat, but here the 'critics' are more vocal than the fans, not to mention they always push their opinions like it's a fact, and that's why they're more annoying and obnoxious, not to mention why most fans I meet prefer to stay away from episode discussion like this. Like you say, it's how you say things here (I'm too lazy to type the word you say), but the problem here it's not how polite you are, but how people present their opinion here. 'I hate spicy food' is not the same with '2+2=4' and saying 'this is objectively sucks' is not the same with saying 'I don't like this anime' or 'this anime don't work for me'

Also, I only made half-assed attempt to defend the show, unlike zilch. And I think Kekkai Sensen is better than this tho.

Barion-Zara said:
Ep was okay overall but well That ending was pretty intense at least :O Didn't expect Yuu just charging in and stabbing Mika right away. And honestly didn't expect Mika to be stronger than Guren :/ Did he train and stuff or all this is because of Krul's blood?

Ferid sure sent Guren flying tho ^^;

Berserking Yu incoming XD Why am I not surprised lol
Ashuramaru did say he'd take over if he felt any hesitation afterall :P

animefan8800 said:
Quite the reunion huh? :D Well I'm sure Mika and Guren will both be fine...well that's my guess anyway. First half felt kinda slow, but we did get a nice kill pose from best girl Shinoa. :D Looks like Yu undergoes some kind of transformation in the preview...interesting...

Pat_To_Do-List said:

I can see that clearly, but that does not mean they are more annoying. They're simply vocal about their opinions. Yes, some of the vocal critics here are annoying, but some of the fans are also annoying. "People who do not like this anime clearly have a bad taste." "You do not like the background scenery? You should learn more about art & go away." Those are some of things the fans said. Clearly annoying. Yes, they're minority, but still annoying.
It's normal for people to say things like that, that's because they're sure what they're saying are right. So they tend to look assertive. When you believe something is right, of course you would be just like that. And to be honest, some of the fans are like that too, very assertive about their opinions.

L-Ryoshi said:

Woah, take a chill pill, mate. You sound like you need a Snickers bar or something.

Not sure about your own personal opinion, but I've seen enough praise on these forums to know that I'm not alone in appreciating the OP and ED. And just because the OP spoils viewers by, what showing Mika was alive after they "killed" for two episodes(?), makes it a bad song? I think you might have to reevaluate how you appreciate music, mate. Yamada and the 7 witches showed all 7 witches in their OP before introducing them one by one, Shokugeki Soma also showed scenes in the OP that won't appear until a couple more episodes in (that means past Episode 10) as well. Does that make them bad songs? I think not.

Yuu and his team were rushed into action because of an impending Vampire attack. It's not like they had months and years on end to practice and prepare for an invasion (they wish). Everything is happening within a very short timeframe. I don't see what there is to complain about, besides the skipping of their first battle (which, if you read the manga, did showcase their teamwork).

And please elaborate on your "more BS stuff", because somehow it seems like every complaint I've seen on the characters thus far revolves around Yuu's attitude and not what you've been mentioning. That said, his character has been improving of late.

No the literately stood still without saying anything for 32 seconds after arriving, while the team was talking, it certainly wasn't very urgent.

Then there are stupid animation/audio error like the one at 20:10, where that red head is talking with closed mouth and the rest of his dialogue is out of sync with the mouth >.>

Wow this show have terrible writing.
1. Why put a squad together made of only teenager, like that is a good idea in any way.
2. three of them are complete rookies with only two of them having experience (if you can call it that), that is not a good way of handling training of rookies.
3. Well at least they received training in working together before entering the battlefield, oh wait they didn't >.>
4. Good thing all of them have great personality for working together, oh wait they don't got that either.
5. Did they at least receive education in the way vampires operate, and how the battlefield work. Doesn't look like it
6. Tsundere:"This is a trap, don't break formation"
reasonable character respond"ah so we are gonna save the child together in formation? Or you know we have a ranged character that could shoot it, how about we do that?"
Tsundere stares silently at MC for 20 second.
"fuck it, I'm going in"

It was so stupid, I can't even, aaargh, and to top it of with the cherry on the top we have a fan service bathing scene with grouping of course.

I think I mentioned in an earlier thread about how interesting the plot is, with all the geo-political infighting both within the Vampires' camp and the Imperial Japanese Army. Thing is, we haven't yet arrived at that portion of the story yet. The fight (NOT the fight SCENES, mind you) with the Vampires is also interesting in the manga, because essentially it's a case of 2 noble vampires against a whole company of humans, and the humans would still be on the losing side. The tactics which they use in the series make for an interesting read. I can only lament how little those things have yet been translated onto the small screen thus far, but as I said I have high hopes things can still change for the better.

As for being contradicting. All I said was that I've seen worse in terms of plot and still managed to finish those shows.

If you really want to torture yourself with ridiculous, I suggest you try the following:

Personally I don't see how my views are any more contradictory than those shows that you gave 3s and 4s to, and yet still managed to complete.

But anyway mate, I've explained my part, pray do explain what you hate so much about the Characters and the Plot.

Having read the manga and knowing how good this story can be, I am optimistic that issues they have can and will be addressed come next cour (it's too late for the current one). I don't see an issue with the plot nor the characters thus far, and I also do enjoy the OP and ED, but that's my opinion.

Monad said:
Look the background scenery is made more like a painting style here etc. Whether you like that truly is a matter of taste. I can get why a fan would find that as a ridiculous criticism although someone has the right to not like that style is not really a flaw.
I also got annoyed by the "OMG loli Vampire queen. This show is officially shit herp derp". This are the same folks going "OMG saw a half boob, this means fanservice, the show is ruined". This are pseudo-intellectuals trying to play the great critics by supposedly show how modest serious they are by not accepting fanservice or getting annoyed by lolis no matter how anything is presented or if it has a bad impact or not. They are like "if i see this i'll call it shit" no matter what.

But when i say the fights were horribly animated and the conflicts non-enjoyable i really don't see why this fans hate me. They should be upset about that too.
The bad animated fighting scenes truly are a fact. There is no debate about that. Tons of people saw them and commented on them. They miss atmosphere and animation and that making them dull and non engaging. Instead of getting up from your seat when shit are supposedly going down you end going "Whatever" because the scenes are like that and because the show frustrated you so much with all the previous scenes.

The show ruins the immersion by frustrating slow insensible scenes(example: The scenes in the camp. They were walking around like they had nothing to do slowly and annoyingly when at that time the show should be showing us all hell breaking lose. It was like having big letter on top flashing "NO BUDGET"). The characters also acting completely incoherent and illogically in context of the show is something also that is very valid criticism.

To me this are very valid criticisms that were pointed out by users but this people get annoyed because they just wanted to enter the discussion and have some fun by reading how others love it and now they are annoyed by the negative energy they feel because of criticism.
I know the feeling. Sometimes i watch a show and i think it's enjoyable and i get to Mal forums and all i read is complains and negativity. It makes you lose your enjoyment some times but not all negativity is with out merit and pointless. Some times criticism does have a valid point.