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| i'd say Fate/Zero. practically minimum fanservice (yeah i know, the one gilgamesh scene), different female characters, horrible deaths... if that is what you are looking for but i get what you mean. it just seems to me that nearly all animes only consist of stereotypical female characters, (being useless in a shounen battle... yes, i am looking at you, sakura...) so the male community can fawn over dreaming being protective for a woman. at least there are some mangas/manwhas trying to break out of this concept (like akame ga kiru) |
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| I agree with your post Kolasi, but this thread has been dead for 14 months! |
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| great! bringing Feminism crap in anime. good god. |
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Blazebolt7 said: great! bringing Feminism crap in anime. good god. indeed. makes me sick |
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fst said: For the record, I'm congratulating you on the epic necro. I didn't read what you wrote. I wouldn't bother. |
KLKfanboy said: Blazebolt7 said: great! bringing Feminism crap in anime. good god. indeed. makes me sick I know right? I thought anime was the only thing free from it. Now I kinda feel why Japan look down on everyone. |
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| This has probably been mentioned but Hunter x Hunter is devoid of sexism. Their is very little fanservice and what little there is is spread out equally between males and females. I.E. largely proportioned chimera ant and Hisoka's bath scene. |
minipok said: i am the original poster and very sorry for this threadanita is that you? seriously stop it with that feminazi bullshit men's are litteraly considered like disposable object in most anime . this whole post is garbage plz delete it i will delete it immediatly in order to not bring shame and dishonor to my family for such a garbage post but seriously i kinda missed this guy/thread |
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romagia said: minipok said: i am the original poster and very sorry for this threadanita is that you? seriously stop it with that feminazi bullshit men's are litteraly considered like disposable object in most anime . this whole post is garbage plz delete it i will delete it immediatly in order to not bring shame and dishonor to my family for such a garbage post but seriously i kinda missed this guy/thread Well at least you acknowledged it. >_< |
| Kekkaishi |
| Fanservice=/=sexism. The fan service in FMA kinda levels out with mustang and all anyway. The author was a women too. |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Urek said: i'd say Fate/Zero. practically minimum fanservice (yeah i know, the one gilgamesh scene), different female characters, horrible deaths... if that is what you are looking for but i get what you mean. it just seems to me that nearly all animes only consist of stereotypical female characters, (being useless in a shounen battle... yes, i am looking at you, sakura...) so the male community can fawn over dreaming being protective for a woman. at least there are some mangas/manwhas trying to break out of this concept (like akame ga kiru) F/Z had a minority of female characters and two of them where part of kiritsugu's harem. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
Kolasi said: I think HxH is probably good for gender equality. There is ecchi-esque fanservice but it's equal for male/female characters (I mean there was fanservice with nude Hisoka and some pretty yaoi moments). How can HxH have gender equality, if the percentage of female characters in the cast, is most likely 10% at best. There is not enough female characters, for the series, to have a lot of female fanservice, in the first place. And in this few female characters, I can count the even remotely relevant/important ones in one hand. I will take other ''sexist'' shounen over the female treatment in HxH. |
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| Bleach, skip fillers if you want. |
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ooo333 said: lol? :D i said that too last year when this thread was actualKekkaishi but not as a serious answer, i was just looking for random obscure shounen |
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tsudecimo said: Kolasi said: I think HxH is probably good for gender equality. There is ecchi-esque fanservice but it's equal for male/female characters (I mean there was fanservice with nude Hisoka and some pretty yaoi moments). How can HxH have gender equality, if the percentage of female characters in the cast, is most likely 10% at best. There is not enough female characters, for the series, to have a lot of female fanservice, in the first place. And in this few female characters, I can count the even remotely relevant/important ones in one hand. I will take other ''sexist'' shounen over the female treatment in HxH. You'd rather watch a series with blatant sexism then one with few female characters? Also one of the series most important characters is a female. |
| The problem with many "feminists" who wrote about "sexism in fiction" is the fact that they tend to "speak for all women on the world", as if their view is shared by 3-4 billion women. For example the "wearing skirts" aspect: It basically implies that every single woman on the world who likes to wear skirts is "sexist against herself". At that point the whole argument already falls apart and it's clear that the whole argument is just ridiculous SJW talk from someone who thinks their world view is absolute. It's even much, MUCH worse if the feminist is male... because that person would not even remotely able to emphasize with what he is talking about. I am not talking about the "women rights" aspects here, because that is a completely different and valid issue, but it's not what is being presented here. |
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Syndiciate said: tsudecimo said: How can HxH have gender equality, if the percentage of female characters in the cast, is most likely 10% at best. There is not enough female characters, for the series, to have a lot of female fanservice, in the first place. And in this few female characters, I can count the even remotely relevant/important ones in one hand. I will take other ''sexist'' shounen over the female treatment in HxH. You'd rather watch a series with blatant sexism then one with few female characters? Also one of the series most important characters is a female. No, he would rather have the sexism shown in other shounen - which to him aren't sexist, because he doesn't think that fanservice equates to sexism - than watch a show that completely ignores woman.... I think. |
| If you want a shonen that enforces gender equality in every single way, the good and the bad, then Gintama is the right answer. Anyway this matter is not that relevant. Just because there is fanservice doesn't mean that something is sexist. Just because the female characters follow tropes doesn't mean that a show is sexist, specially when the male characters follow tropes as well. Just because the girls are weak or motivated by love interest doesn't make something sexist. One Piece? It has fanservice. Growing boobs. Okay, got it. It has as well a lot of character exposition precisely on female characters. If this is sexist, then it's a particularly mild form of sexism that recognizes the individuality and decision of its main females. And I assume it's the same for most of these other series. |
| Shōnen (少年?), shonen, or shounen, is a kango word literally means few years and generally referring to a typical boy, from elementary school through high school age if shounen is oriented towards males, then it's obviously gonna be sexist (in the eyes of angry feminists). I would say that some shoujos I have seen are very sexist against males, but I don't really give a shit. Regardless you're probably not gonna find (in the eyes of a raging feminist) gender equality within anime. Women are pretty much the center of fan service and to any ranting feminist this is clearly objectifying women and portraying their bodies as their most important trait. Also through correcting the female characters' personalities by removing all those annoying traits that women, and especially feminists have simplifying the minds of women and forcing them into archetypes, women are desecrated and suited towards the people who are sick of feminists and real women filthy anglo saxon capitalist Caucasian pigs. regardless I think companies produce anime so that they can make money. More men watch anime. I tend to think like this. "I like women. I like me some tits. Real women are awesome hard to deal with, annoying, expensive, and the good ones never wanna show me their tits. But the women in anime are pretty sexist awesome. They have half decent personalities, and always show me their tits." I think a lot of other men think the same way and maybe this is why anime is sexist awesome. as such, sexism, objectification and desecration actually desirable women, not feminists, is the reality of anime. also as one of my friends said. "Feminists are all ugly, so when there's actually beautiful women in something they all get angry." |
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jal90 said: this, and d-grayman and KHR are another choice. the law of ueki also good. If you want a shonen that enforces gender equality in every single way, the good and the bad, then Gintama is the right answer. she just avoid it, not hate it. damn people this day. like to bully everything that he/she dont like. |
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FloatsBoats said: Syndiciate said: You'd rather watch a series with blatant sexism then one with few female characters? Also one of the series most important characters is a female. No, he would rather have the sexism shown in other shounen - which to him aren't sexist, because he doesn't think that fanservice equates to sexism - than watch a show that completely ignores woman.... I think. I don't believe fanservice is sexist but I believe he was stating that he did. Also Hunter x Hunter doesn't ignore women. There's plenty of important female characters. It just so happens the MC's are males. |
| I love how OP mentions SnK as something that's not sexist. Please. There's like, what, 4 named female characters who have on screen deaths? As opposed to like.. well, a lot more than 4 male characters. |
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DrCoppelius said: I'm amused that Attack on Titan was listed by the OP as being the most perfect at not being sexist, when it doesn't even have a single female character that's really interesting and well-developed, aside from maybe Annie. Even Annie doesn't get much characterization though. Mikasa could have counted but she doesn't ever evolve beyond silent badass that completely clings on to Eren and she has zero depth so nope. There are good action shounen out there with good female characters, like Soul Eater and Hunter x Hunter mentioned above. Attack on Titan just isn't one of them. Season 2 will have great development of two female characters, but yeah Season 1 isn't about developing characters. It's all about world creation. |
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AttackOnTetris said: DrCoppelius said: I'm amused that Attack on Titan was listed by the OP as being the most perfect at not being sexist, when it doesn't even have a single female character that's really interesting and well-developed, aside from maybe Annie. Even Annie doesn't get much characterization though. Mikasa could have counted but she doesn't ever evolve beyond silent badass that completely clings on to Eren and she has zero depth so nope. There are good action shounen out there with good female characters, like Soul Eater and Hunter x Hunter mentioned above. Attack on Titan just isn't one of them. Season 2 will have great development of two female characters, but yeah Season 1 isn't about developing characters. It's all about world creation. Which isn't a bad thing. |
DrCoppelius said: AttackOnTetris said: Season 2 will have great development of two female characters, but yeah Season 1 isn't about developing characters. It's all about world creation. World creation isn't a bad thing, but there is in fact focus given on Armin and Eren's developments and I thought Mikasa got the short end of the stick compared to them. It struck me as rather unfair considering she's clearly supposed to be a main character in the same capacity as Armin and, to an extent, Eren. I honestly thought most of the side cast was underdeveloped so it's not as though it's an issue exclusive to her, but she's still a main and I wish they'd given her more in terms of personality beyond her hard work and her dependence onto Eren. It's good to hear Season 2 will improve on that though. Did they really develop Armin that much? Honestly AoT's weakest aspect is its characters which is why I didn't really think about the anime being sexist. |
| OP trolling or what? |
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Milk_is_Special said: OP trolling or what? Nah I think they posted this when they were still plebs and now have realized the egregious error. |
Syndiciate said: AttackOnTetris said: Season 2 will have great development of two female characters, but yeah Season 1 isn't about developing characters. It's all about world creation. Which isn't a bad thing. Exactly. AoT defies conventions by focusing on detailing the structure of the world within the walls, using the characters as barometers of danger. As such the story can explicitly be about humanity rather than humans, which is rare in the world of shounens which use "character development" on larger-than-life characters. Adhering to this shounen convention in this setting would shine light into the dark, brutal atmosphere and thus be very counterproductive. I find it ironic that a lot of those who hate on the show are elitists who somehow find the ability to: a) rage at the lack of character development in AoT b) hate on "typical shounen" c) fail to realize that with (a), they are requesting the show be more "typical shounen" AoT actually deviates from the formula in many ways, masterfully in my opinion, but this is one shining example. |
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AttackOnTetris said: Syndiciate said: Which isn't a bad thing. Exactly. AoT defies conventions by focusing on detailing the structure of the world within the walls, using the characters as barometers of danger. As such the story can explicitly be about humanity rather than humans, which is rare in the world of shounens which use "character development" on larger-than-life characters. Adhering to this shounen convention in this setting would shine light into the dark, brutal atmosphere and thus be very counterproductive. I find it ironic that a lot of those who hate on the show are elitists who somehow find the ability to: a) rage at the lack of character development in AoT b) hate on "typical shounen" c) fail to realize that with (a), they are requesting the show be more "typical shounen" AoT actually deviates from the formula in many ways, masterfully in my opinion, but this is one shining example. Well I'm not going to say they couldn't character build a bit more whilst continuing to do a great job of world building but I agree that AoT is very innovative. |
DrCoppelius said: Syndiciate said: Did they really develop Armin that much? Honestly AoT's weakest aspect is its characters which is why I didn't really think about the anime being sexist. Dear me, I would undoubtedly be able to defend this better had it not been almost two years since watching the show (not to mention I honestly found it a bit forgettable) but I did recall there being some things with Armin finding his place in the world. He starts off as very weak physically compared to Eren and Mikasa and just overall not being the best, but there was this episode where he gives a speech to save his friends and starts to figure out that, even if he's weak physically, he can still be helpful. He seems to also begin understanding that his intelligence is just as much of an asset as his friends' strength are throughout the show and gets some respect for that. I started to root for him at that point. Mikasa on the other hand? No feelings for her whatsoever. Tragic past, so what. That's not personality and it's not growth. Eh I guess. 2 moderately developed male characters and 2 acceptably developed female characters with a cast of fodder doesn't imply sexism in my eyes. |
DrCoppelius said: Syndiciate said: Eh I guess. 2 moderately developed male characters and 2 acceptably developed female characters with a cast of fodder doesn't imply sexism in my eyes. Not sexist perhaps, but my original was to comment on OP listing it as an utterly perfect instance of non-sexism when I think it has its flaws. I'm not offended by it, I just don't see why it should be held up as an example as opposed to, say, Soul Eater. Now that I can agree with. Although... Syndiciate said: To be fair this is a thread that was necro'ed from a long time ago and the creator of this thread publicly disavowed it. |
FloatsBoats said: Syndiciate said: You'd rather watch a series with blatant sexism then one with few female characters? Also one of the series most important characters is a female. No, he would rather have the sexism shown in other shounen - which to him aren't sexist, because he doesn't think that fanservice equates to sexism - than watch a show that completely ignores woman.... I think. Yeah, that's most of what I meant. |
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| If girls kinds anime aimed at boys offensive then they don't have to watch it. |
Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
MotRin said: Not sure what you mean by horrible death. No female characters died by getting ripped apart or bitten in half. Petra only got stomped. Say hello to Blood-C. OT: Makes you wonder why Kishimoto put so many female characters in Naruto. |
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| It's been mentioned 100 times already, but I will repeat it for emphasis - HunterXHunter. There are few women in it but all of them are treated the same way as the men. |
| HxH goes as far as to put no emphasis on gender with Pitou being a male but looked female same as Alluka and Kalltuo |
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| I agree with AoT, all the characters are treated equally and It's nice. Another series: 'Witch Hunter Robin' does the same, It's more of a mystery series than an action, but it has its moments. |
Darklord_bg said: Funny that it's mentioned so much when it has so few females.It's been mentioned 100 times already, but I will repeat it for emphasis - HunterXHunter. There are few women in it but all of them are treated the same way as the men. OT: I agree that SNK has gender equality. But I disagree that a good female character has to be written like a male, that's sexist. She should be written like a female, she can be drawn with attractive curves and wear sexy clothes if necessary, just not to the level of a borderline hentai character (except if it serves a plot point obviously, like say if the female is a slut). Giving said female a good personality, some independence or development is where it's at. Oh, and weaknesses too, cause women empowerment=/=perfect woman. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
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| Can someone explain to me, how exactly a disproportion in the number of both genders is sexist? |
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KLKfanboy said: maybe, just maybe, they not even know that anime have demographic.Can someone explain to me, how exactly a disproportion in the number of both genders is sexist? |
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