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TrueKirei said: New preview for FSN Episode 21: Tohsaka taking the lead eh? |
Zuihou said: TrueKirei said: New preview for FSN Episode 21: Tohsaka taking the lead eh? What's your sig from? It looks familiar.... |
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Zuihou said: well...unless shirou unleashes his Bankai, the art of the jackhammerTrueKirei said: New preview for FSN Episode 21: Tohsaka taking the lead eh? |
R_Turn said: Archer cares about her up to a certain degree. He was not desperate enough to go suicide attack Gilgamesh in his weakened state and ruin his plan to kill Shirou, but he actually wanted Rin to make a contract with Saber.Can someone explain me why rin gave a shit when archer got killed i mean he didnt give a flying fuck when shinji wanted to rape her |
KamiCity said: Zuihou said: Tohsaka taking the lead eh? What's your sig from? It looks familiar.... It's Kancolle fan art. |
| I personally found this episode fine, maybe because I didn't read the VNs ? Well I don't understand why there is so much hatred about this adaptation. 3/5. |
frenze12 said: That too. I was more addressing the point with Archer not caring about Rin.CapsuleCore said: Archer cares about her up to a certain degree. He was not desperate enough to go suicide attack Gilgamesh in his weakened state and ruin his plan to kill Shirou, but he actually wanted Rin to make a contract with Saber. Well that but also, read the last conversation between Lancer and Rin when they where talking about being paired with "bad partners" and Rin's response to that gives you a pretty good reason why she cares for archer. |
VarunaBles said: Nice going, ufotable. Way to top DEEN on that giant sword spam. Disgusting. I don't care if the first 2 faded, the third and fourth ones clearly didn't. Imo, ufoAnswer's last blow was also quite underwhelming. Emiya was barely noticeable and did not play long enough. Too bad. I actually like Fukusawa's version. Saber and GAR flashbacks were nice. Loved LE Saber cameo. Of course, who could forget Gil, who was, imo, pretty good? First time I actually was impressed with his dialogue, probably because his mongrel speak returned. Overall: 3.5/5. I was tempted to give this a 2.5 but those Saber, Archer flashback, and Gil moments were great. Not even LE. DamnThatsTheSpot said: Also I always disliked LE Saber's look but i actually found it quite nice in ufo-style art Not even LE. FlamepriesT said: Ufotable certainly hasn't been in your face with a few things, but even if they're subtle it's still possible to get a good idea what these things mean. Saber's identity, for instance, is heavily implied in some of these recent scenes if you pay attention and read between the lines. They may not have said out loud who she is, but they've definitely shown it. It's also pretty clear she regrets the outcome of her decisions in life. It's definitely possible to infer who she was and what her wish is, even if you only have a vague idea. At the beginning of the fight between Archer and Shirou, you could see they swords been "traced" every time they clashed - a hint that Shirou is trying to improve his technique. Archer does mention that out loud though, but you can see they're also showing it. Well, if said AO didn't know about the Nasuverse's uhh, changes, they'd pass it off. I mean, she's wearing what looks like a french dress. ~.~ |
mira-pyonMay 31, 2015 12:10 AM
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| Regarding Shinji, all I have to say is it's about damn time :D |
Strawberry-RainMay 31, 2015 12:22 AM
| MAL: A community that thinks every anime is bad, but rates everything a 7/10. |
| Gilgamesh enters the scene he explains alot of things Shinji got what he deserve |
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mira-nyan said: Not even LE. O-oh........I see. More Saber is good nonetheless. |
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VarunaBles said: mira-nyan said: Not even LE. O-oh........I see. More Saber is good nonetheless. It's peasant Seibah. But they took away her Alice-in-wonderland dress D=  Can't find the other one >.< |
The sun is a deadly laser |
| Shinji had that coming to him |
| Ah yes, Gilgamesh's most prized possession. I can recall a time when I went to lunch with Saber one fateful day. We engaged in many interesting exchanges. |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
| Good thing I was absent until now... damn the reactions are really laughable this time. Considering the "big swords" are canon (Rin prison) and Archer wasn't going all out and Shirou didn't block successfully without his swords breaking and later only redirected the swords or dodged them, it seems fine to me. I don't think anything is missing out, if you watch EP20 and EP21 one after another, though admittedly just going with EP21 can be a bit confusing. But that's just the weekly episode format, that is going to fade in the future anyway. And next-ep preview heavily implied crest transfer... so yea we get RN mana transfer it seems... I don't really care much about it in UBW, but it's not a good signal for the HF movies. |
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| Man, the issues with this series are standing out more with every episode. Which is really disappointing me, considering how much I've defended it by now. First off, the constant repetition of basically the exact same thing with the ideals and whatnot started getting really grating. We've been over this extensively by now. We get it. Stop talking, please. Second, because Shirou's conclusion last episode was really clunkily delivered/expressed, the impact of the end of the Shirou/Archer fight had little impact, even if the scene itself was admittedly handled quite well (the music really sold it). Hell, even the direction itself of the ending sequence last episode was really effective. It's the dialogue that killed it. The dialogue tends to be this series' biggest problem. Speaking of bad dialogue:  This line made zero sense. Rin had nothing to do with what just transpired between Archer and Shirou. And if that isn't what Archer was talking about, then it was made nowhere clear enough exactly what that line was supposed to be referring to or mean. Even further, the dialogue concerning the grail and the details about it was similarly choppy and confusingly presented. I got the basic gist of it, but there are a lot of details I'm positive I missed because they weren't expressed nearly as clearly as they should have been, considering the time devoted to their explanation. Also, Gilgamesh leaving the fight was handled extremely poorly and jarringly, laughably even. I actually did start chuckling a bit at how ridiculous it was. This was by far the worst example of the "I'm going to retreat from the fight now because [insert some reason here so that the protagonists can live]" trope that Fate seems to overuse. The last scene with Gilgamesh and Shinji was good. Gilgamesh's motivations are alright. Just... man, this series is not doing too well. I've noticed that for the majority of the time, even with its gorgeous animation, it feels...soulless. And even worse, as a result of its clunkiness, tensionless and providing extremely little payoff (if any at all). Hopefully the Heaven's Feel movie(s) will be better. |
| I am an anime viewer only for this production. Plus, I may not be the dumbest nor am I the brightest. But, I felt a slight disappointing feeling on this Anime, I mean EMIYA vs. Shirou is one of the most iconic fights in UBW, and a hell of a battle between two wills. However, first of all Archer's Chant was only three lines (It has a lot more), 2nd the emiya remix which lasts only 30 seconds when it is supposed to be played a lot longer, I wouldnt care if it is looped lol. Also, I kind of understand what is going on, but I kind of don't. So, I want to ask a favor if someone could enlighten me about what the heck is going on? Well, the only good thing is that Shirou will hit a homerun next episode ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
ElectricRedMay 31, 2015 12:49 AM
ElectricRed said: I am an anime viewer only for this production. Plus, I may not be the dumbest nor I may not be the brightest. But, I felt a slight disappointing feeling on this Anime, I mean EMIYA vs. Shirou is one of the most iconic fights in UBW, and a hell of a battle between two wills. However, first of all Archer's Chant was only three lines (It has a lot more), 2nd the emiya remix which lasts only 30 seconds when it is supposed to be played a lot longer, I wouldnt care if it is looped lol. Also, I kind of understand what is going on, but I kind of don't. So, I want to ask a favor if someone could enlighten me about what the heck is going on? Well, the only good thing is that Shirou will hit a homerun next episode ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Nope, we get RN crest transfer instead it seems, unless they do crest transfer mixed with "anime only" content. |
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FlamepriesT said: Ufotable certainly hasn't been in your face with a few things, but even if they're subtle it's still possible to get a good idea what these things mean. Saber's identity, for instance, is heavily implied in some of these recent scenes if you pay attention and read between the lines. They may not have said out loud who she is, but they've definitely shown it. It's also pretty clear she regrets the outcome of her decisions in life. It's definitely possible to infer who she was and what her wish is, even if you only have a vague idea. Saber litteraly said her wish in episode 19, I think. |
| Rereads review is up btw |
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mira-nyan said: It's peasant Seibah. But they took away her Alice-in-wonderland dress D= Can't find the other one >.< Oh crap! I totally forgot about that scene. Thank you for reminding me pure greatnesscorrecting me. They should've kept the ponytail, though. |
VarunaBlesMay 31, 2015 1:11 AM
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| Everyone should just watch this scene made by Deen. I mean, as much you hate their adaptation, they did A LOT better job to animate what the battle should look like. Whilst on the other hand, Ufo failed to deliver its message miserably. |
| lol I almost took the bait. That was a close one. tl;dr response: DEEN was closer to the VN and that's why it's bad, because that scene, cannot be easily adapted 1:1, due to different format. The changes were seen as necessary much earlier. |
Grey-ZoneMay 31, 2015 1:26 AM
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Mich666 said: Everyone should just watch this scene made by Deen. I mean, as much you hate their adaptation, they did A LOT better job to animate what the battle should look like. Whilst on the other hand, Ufo failed to deliver its message miserably. [yt]8JEA62J1lKo[ /y t] Personally, I find the fight Shirou vs Archer from episode 20 and 21 way better than this movie. |
Mich666 said: Everyone should just watch this scene made by Deen. I mean, as much you hate their adaptation, they did A LOT better job to animate what the battle should look like. Whilst on the other hand, Ufo failed to deliver its message miserably. I see what you mean. The battle is more intense and isn't continuously stopped by repetitive dialogue. It actually feels like a battle between two men who despise each other (and a convincing fight at that) whereas Ufotable's version was a lot of talking over things we already knew about and blatant hesitation by Archer to grant Shirou plot armor. |
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| DEEN best adaptation confirmed I never doubted them |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
Mich666 said: Everyone should just watch this scene made by Deen. I mean, as much you hate their adaptation, they did A LOT better job to animate what the battle should look like. Whilst on the other hand, Ufo failed to deliver its message miserably. I know your all bait but whatever: Well the battle looks cool, that's about it. The message, not even close. Yes I can read spanish. The only thing I wish Ufotable had done better was have the dialogue while the battle was flowing like this. Everything else though, Ufotable kicked Deens ass. Deens version is missing like 80% of the dialogue, how exactly did it portray the message correctly? Please, it didn't fail miserably, this was already proved incorrect by Anime only viewers that completely got the message. |
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| After fate/zero showing us naked Gil UBW is doing it again??? 10/10 for those abs. Also, that preview *giggle* we're going to have dolphins next episode! Oh, and finnaly we see the Grail! (Well, kinda) And Shinji's face is going to be in my nightmares -.- Anyway, people who didn't watch fate/zero are probably very confused as to what Gil said. The music was great, and the only thing about the animation that bothers me is how gross and creepy the grail was. All in all, 5/5 |
"People die if they are killed" -Emiya Shirou  |
Grey-Zone said: ElectricRed said: I am an anime viewer only for this production. Plus, I may not be the dumbest nor I may not be the brightest. But, I felt a slight disappointing feeling on this Anime, I mean EMIYA vs. Shirou is one of the most iconic fights in UBW, and a hell of a battle between two wills. However, first of all Archer's Chant was only three lines (It has a lot more), 2nd the emiya remix which lasts only 30 seconds when it is supposed to be played a lot longer, I wouldnt care if it is looped lol. Also, I kind of understand what is going on, but I kind of don't. So, I want to ask a favor if someone could enlighten me about what the heck is going on? Well, the only good thing is that Shirou will hit a homerun next episode ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Nope, we get RN crest transfer instead it seems, unless they do crest transfer mixed with "anime only" content. Dolphins with dragon monologues. |
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fimbu1vetr said: Is it just me is Gil way lamer than F/Z lols. Read/watched F/Z only watched UBW. Lamer idk how, although I do agree that his motivations in this route aren't that great. Gil as the final villian here seems out of place, while I liked him a lot more in the Fate route. Still best Gil is supposedly Fate/Extra CCC Gil, which I have yet to play. |
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antonn said: Grey-Zone said: Nope, we get RN crest transfer instead it seems, unless they do crest transfer mixed with "anime only" content. Dolphins with dragon monologues. Wearing funny hats |
I am the Priest of my church Yuetsu is my body, and wine is my blood I have trolled over a thousand users Unknown to sympathy, nor known to apathy Withstood Shirou to eat Mapo Tofu Yet, my question will never be answered So as I rejoice, Unlimited Kirei Works! |
KamiCity said: fimbu1vetr said: Is it just me is Gil way lamer than F/Z lols. Read/watched F/Z only watched UBW. Lamer idk how, although I do agree that his motivations in this route aren't that great. Gil as the final villian here seems out of place, while I liked him a lot more in the Fate route. Still best Gil is supposedly Fate/Extra CCC Gil, which I have yet to play. Best Gil is shota Gil. |
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Mich666 said: Everyone should just watch this scene made by Deen. I mean, as much you hate their adaptation, they did A LOT better job to animate what the battle should look like. Whilst on the other hand, Ufo failed to deliver its message miserably. I agree, DEEN excelled in animating the fight, I was on the edge of my seat with all the action going on, but I felt UFO dialogues and monologues gave a little bit more in depth about Archer, Both of their Ideals and how it ties in with everyone. I wish it could have been animated like this though |
antonn said: KamiCity said: Lamer idk how, although I do agree that his motivations in this route aren't that great. Gil as the final villian here seems out of place, while I liked him a lot more in the Fate route. Still best Gil is supposedly Fate/Extra CCC Gil, which I have yet to play. Best Gil is shota Gil. You got me there, Fate/Kalied for some reason slipped my mind but yea, this one takes it. [spoiler]  [spoiler] |
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| Aron's video pieces are always so on point. Its hilarious on how you can put worst things about this adaptation into 2 minute video. |
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| That was an okay episode. Glad Archer vs Shiro is over since that was dragged out quite a bit. Nothing excited me in this episode, but it wasn't trash. |
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DregranEntropy said: That was an okay episode. Glad Archer vs Shiro is over since that was dragged out quite a bit. Nothing excited me in this episode, but it wasn't trash. I know. Can't believe they wasted that many episode on a boring sidestory. Get to the main event dammit. |
| the Grail creating scene was top kek |
| What I liked: -Archer flashbacks scenes -Saber flashback scenes(still not sure if see was looking at her after death self or her country girl self) -UBW's gears stopping when Archer's mind wavers,Shirou's memories being forcefully sent to Archer.Shirou's UBW overwriting Archer's UBW with Emiya.ost. -One handed last charge. -Changing Archer's last move from a defense to attack. -Archer's lines. Disliked: -Bad transitions just like ep 18. -Shirou doesnt look running on fumes.At least not BEFORE Archer says that. -Archer doesnt notice Gil's first spam. -They really tried hard to avoid mentioning Angra Manyu. -For some reason Gil doesnt know about the goal of the 3 families being reaching the Root.Like what?Your previous Master was like the epitome of stubbornly talking about the Root magi. -Aniplex subs..."daughter of Tohsaka"="Tohsaka wench"?Really aniplex? -But the worst?Stupid ass giant swords.Fuck.And I thought we dodged that bullet in ep18. Still a 4/5 but come on. |
MostRealArcher said: Guess it was wrong to have my hopes up after ep 20. Calls it the answer and only half of the ep was used on the conclusion. Was hoping for shirou to monologue his "answer" to archer but nope, can't give him anything. The "it's my win archer" and "and it's my loss" had completely no impact and archer's face was completely emotionless too. One of the few things I can honestly say DEEN did better than UFO. |
SaintEmiya said: MostRealArcher said: Guess it was wrong to have my hopes up after ep 20. Calls it the answer and only half of the ep was used on the conclusion. Was hoping for shirou to monologue his "answer" to archer but nope, can't give him anything. The "it's my win archer" and "and it's my loss" had completely no impact and archer's face was completely emotionless too. One of the few things I can honestly say DEEN did better than UFO. I literally facepalmed when they casually started talking as if it was some highschool test they did after the stab... |
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SaintEmiya said: MostRealArcher said: Guess it was wrong to have my hopes up after ep 20. Calls it the answer and only half of the ep was used on the conclusion. Was hoping for shirou to monologue his "answer" to archer but nope, can't give him anything. The "it's my win archer" and "and it's my loss" had completely no impact and archer's face was completely emotionless too. One of the few things I can honestly say DEEN did better than UFO. Archer was full of emotion the whole ep.And what emotion should he make there?In the end he let his old self win. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20218/198-UBW15-03-451.jpg I dont know what emotion you expect from this. Lets not even go into that they actually showed why Archer lost. |
TrueKirei said: New preview for FSN Episode 21: HAHAHAHA xD ROFL. |
Othi-tan said: SaintEmiya said: One of the few things I can honestly say DEEN did better than UFO. Archer was full of emotion the whole ep.And what emotion should he make there?In the end he let his old self win. http://lparchive.org/Fatestay-night/Update%20218/198-UBW15-03-451.jpg I dont know what emotion you expect from this. Lets not even go into that they actually showed why Archer lost. I've already said this, but I'll say it again. The episode was technically done very well, UFO IMO (apart from the giant swords + wtfpower Avalon) did everything REALLY well in my opinion DURING the fight and Answer. But the end of it had 0 fucking impact, which is an opinion shared by most of the people here. Whilst I think most can agree that they felt impact at the end of DEEN's fight, also it's well known that DEEN are rather great at still images. Just saying, the end of the fight looked a billion times better with DEEN, Archer looked like he finally got some resolution, the sword looked better, basically everything looked better. The only other complaint is that the atmosphere and emotion did feel lacking (which others have said), there's a reason a lot of anime onlies here said that it was dragging, if UFO had upped the tension and atmosphere everyone would be on the edge of their seats. Instead the fight was actually Shounen-ish, Talking-Fighting-Sitting-Fighting. When DEEN themselves actually showed you can have the talking WHILST fighting and it still looks good. Also I'm not gonna comment again on how fucking silent this whole scene was, barely any emiya? Whatever, the music has been done poorly this entire adaptation. Honestly, everyone loves to bash DEEN, and I was going to say that after episode 20 that UFO was going to completely smash DEEN to pieces, but UFO let the ball drop this episode. Both adaptations of Answer are good for different reasons, UFO is better but definitely was worse in some aspects. |
GradationAir said: DregranEntropy said: That was an okay episode. Glad Archer vs Shiro is over since that was dragged out quite a bit. Nothing excited me in this episode, but it wasn't trash. I know. Can't believe they wasted that many episode on a boring sidestory. Get to the main event dammit. Explaining what the Holy Grail has become and why it was created, essentially revealing the true reason why they are even fighting in the "Holy Grail War" is sidestory? I had no idea. Zero gave us a bit of insight as to why the grail acted the way it did and Why Gil was allowed to remain on earth but this clarified it and went into more depth in some aspects. |
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