who do you like more kaneki or sasaki ?

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Honestly i like Kaneki and want him back as fast as possible, for me it's just bad excuse that the author need to "reset" his character to become some unknown person that is Sasaki after receiving so much development. The CCG itself actually not that interesting with their whole point was just to wipe out the ghouls.

So in my eyes, it's just like the author just want to hold back the strong and bad ass Kaneki, probably his influence and characteristic just too high and the author faced difficulties how to execute Kaneki, that's why he "nerfed" him (both power and mentality) to fit him well to the story.

Not that it's that bad, rather than forcing him but resulted a bad writing, Sasaki actually much better solution if that's the case. But still i want Kaneki back as fast as possible, because in my eyes Sasaki was fake no matter how i see it. If he Kaneki and still want to siding with CCG then that's fine, but this Sasaki one is often make me cringe. But with Sasaki's story side, i can see Juuzou's development, so there's a plus point from it in the end.

May 22, 2015 4:43 PM

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Kaneki. I like Sasaki, but he can be annoying at times (especially now), while I loooved Kaneki. Everytime he got a panel I was always super excited to see what he would do next, but with Sasaki I just hope he sees or does something that would bring him closer to recovering his memories.

May 22, 2015 5:05 PM

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Sasaki is more handsome. LOL

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May 22, 2015 6:00 PM

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Flashoftheback said:
Honestly i like Kaneki and want him back as fast as possible, for me it's just bad excuse that the author need to "reset" his character to become some unknown person that is Sasaki after receiving so much development.

if it was that poorly contrived then why would Ishida switch Amon (and Seidou) in the overall duality of TG? don't you think maybe there's a greater point brewing here?

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May 22, 2015 8:02 PM

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Mack2 said:

Flashoftheback said:
Honestly i like Kaneki and want him back as fast as possible, for me it's just bad excuse that the author need to "reset" his character to become some unknown person that is Sasaki after receiving so much development.

if it was that poorly contrived then why would Ishida switch Amon (and Seidou) in the overall duality of TG? don't you think maybe there's a greater point brewing here?

Like i said, if Kaneki was being Kaneki and then siding with CCG himself, it's fine for me. But perhaps such thing is hard to execute or rather impossible and will mostlikely sound forced if author insist it, that's why author "reset" him by this amnesia plot so he can fit well siding with CCG and for the so called "greater point" speculation.

He just got nerfed both mentally and strength there is no debate on that, and the fact that now or later he need to gain back his memory as the story progress just prove my point further, that's the one of the point of his brawl against this Aogiri Tree especially when now he's facing against Seidou right now. This Sasaki role mostlikely is to create some kind of conflict for Kaneki once the later "got in control" once again.

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May 22, 2015 8:13 PM

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Flashoftheback said:

Mack2 said:

if it was that poorly contrived then why would Ishida switch Amon (and Seidou) in the overall duality of TG? don't you think maybe there's a greater point brewing here?

Like i said, if Kaneki was being Kaneki and then siding with CCG himself, it's fine for me. But perhaps such thing is hard to execute or rather impossible and will mostlikely sound forced if author insist it, that's why author "reset" him by this amnesia plot so he can fit well siding with CCG and for the so called "greater point" speculation.

He just got nerfed both mentally and strength there is no debate on that, and the fact that now or later he need to gain back his memory for further story progress is prove my point more. This Sasaki role mostlikely is to create some kind of conflict for Kaneki once the later "got in control" once again.

I personally think the author had to reset Kaneki because he wants Kaneki to view CCG in neutral perspective without any influence from his ghoul side.

May 22, 2015 8:37 PM

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This right here is greatness:

I like that ruthless and badass Kaneki the most, however I find Haise's struggle between who he is now and his former yet-unknow self really interesting.

I'm fine with both.

May 22, 2015 11:29 PM

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well..i would say Sasaki because he combines both the pure kaneki and the badass kaneki

if being a punching bag is badass then I agree:)

haha, but i was referring more when he was fighting Nishio.

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May 23, 2015 1:03 AM

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Flashoftheback said:

Mack2 said:

if it was that poorly contrived then why would Ishida switch Amon (and Seidou) in the overall duality of TG? don't you think maybe there's a greater point brewing here?

Like i said, if Kaneki was being Kaneki and then siding with CCG himself, it's fine for me. But perhaps such thing is hard to execute or rather impossible and will mostlikely sound forced if author insist it, that's why author "reset" him by this amnesia plot so he can fit well siding with CCG and for the so called "greater point" speculation.

He just got nerfed both mentally and strength there is no debate on that, and the fact that now or later he need to gain back his memory as the story progress just prove my point further, that's the one of the point of his brawl against this Aogiri Tree especially when now he's facing against Seidou right now. This Sasaki role mostlikely is to create some kind of conflict for Kaneki once the later "got in control" once again.

You're shonen-izing this. The main prism we've been presented with, at the very least since Kaneki met Amon, was the idea of Kaneki communicating or at least offering some form of mending to the relationship between Ghouls and Humans. Sasaki's experience at CCG will add to this ideal. Amon will play a huge part in this as well, solely because he's served as another duality piece for Kaneki.

Your point earlier that I was addressing was that Kaneki's encapsulation within Sasaki was bad/lazy writing based upon the acceleration of Kaneki's shonen-based development, IE, his superficial characteristics(Strength, etc). I don't see you proving it, at all. On the macro level, with Sasaki supplementing the aforementioned ideal, it's not bad writing. On the micro level, as in how Haise Sasaki was created and how the CCG both revived Kaneki and encapsulated him, is still completely unknown.

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May 23, 2015 1:29 AM

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Isn't it downright foolish to compare Haise with someone who had 143 chapters worth development and characterization?

Come on I thought TG fans were better than this.

May 23, 2015 1:55 AM

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xRydia said:
Isn't it downright foolish to compare Haise with someone who had 143 chapters worth development and characterization?

Come on I thought TG fans were better than this.

haha no, most TG fans are not.

May 23, 2015 2:05 AM

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I had a feeling these were the same people who complaint about pre-Aogiri Kaneki before the manga's translation reach post-Aogiri Kaneki.

And I like both but people are glorifying Kaneki way too much. Tell me how did he fair the last time he fought an SS-rated before going insane. Now he's facing a hybrid who's already SS-rated without even using Kagune and people started to call him a punching-bag... -_-

May 23, 2015 2:06 AM

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xRydia said:
Isn't it downright foolish to compare Haise with someone who had 143 chapters worth development and characterization?

Come on I thought TG fans were better than this.

strengthwise ,it's foolish because what Haise do was restraining his ghoul side to the point of life - death choice . c'mon , logically , if you die , you disappear too -.-

well , I don't think it's foolish if we only compare personality and such , new character and old character shouldn't matter .

May 23, 2015 2:25 AM

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Which is not possible were Kaneki didn't lost his memory. Perhaps you can say that author probably want to "Ichigo-ing" Kaneki. With he is human, ghoul, CCG, and everything else. Want him to see things from any perspective side to idealizing him or make it difficult for him or whatever author intent is. But the fact that he needed to be neutralized in order for that to work is my problem about it, that's so fake however i see it. As if the author concluded that it's impossible to make Kaneki goes into CCG without his memory got erased, that's why author make it easy and erased his memory so he can be a neutral.

May 23, 2015 2:31 AM

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Woah they're tied :O Nice! I like both. I just hope that when Ken comes back he and Haise's personality can be interchangeable ^^;

Honestly didn't know that many were starting to like Haise this much :P Cool to know

May 23, 2015 2:32 AM

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frankykun13 said:

xRydia said:
Isn't it downright foolish to compare Haise with someone who had 143 chapters worth development and characterization?

Come on I thought TG fans were better than this.

strengthwise ,it's foolish because what Haise do was restraining his ghoul side to the point of life - death choice . c'mon , logically , if you die , you disappear too -.-

death=disappearing/(kaneki reawakening) reflexively for Haise, at least that's what the CCG has convinced him of. Fairy-tale outcome being that Kaneki and Haise acclimate for one another, but who knows..perhaps the CCG-constructed Haise personality really does dissipate if Kaneki comes back like this.

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May 23, 2015 2:54 AM

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Flashoftheback said:
Which is not possible were Kaneki didn't lost his memory. Perhaps you can say that author probably want to "Ichigo-ing" Kaneki. With he is human, ghoul, CCG, and everything else. Want him to see things from any perspective side to idealizing him or make it difficult for him or whatever author intent is. But the fact that he needed to be neutralized in order for that to work is my problem about it, that's so fake however i see it. As if the author concluded that it's impossible to make Kaneki goes into CCG without his memory got erased, that's why author make it easy and erased his memory so he can be a neutral.

but I can't say ishida(damn quincy) was ichigo-ing kaneki because ichigo inherited everything, even if he gradually came to realize it, and he's been far less introspective about any of it. *crosses fingers* Kaneki has been presented so far as a literature student with introverted tendencies and significant baggage who was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time, whose responses to the ensuing circumstances was.. interesting..

anyway, lets not forget that kaneki's still an experiment, even now. first he was kanou's, now he is CCG's. the CCG needed to at least attempt to compete with Aogiri's "innovations." the CCG's motivation is transparent, and the consistency of the plot is still there...I don't know about you, but if Arima had been like "hey! you broke my quinque..and you scratched my face! here's a job app. we look forward to hearing from you *walks away*" I'd still be calling bullshit to this very nanosecond.

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May 23, 2015 3:19 AM

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I prefer Kaneki as the character development was just amazing from the timid human college student to the psychopath half kakuja Kaneki.

Haise on the other hand we just get the finished product without seeing how he came to terms with having no memories/how he developed as a person (obviously was heavily influenced by how kaneki is) and him joining the CCG etc.

I'm just looking forward to when all the memories merge together and if Kaneki did in fact kill Hide whether the guilt will do to him.

May 23, 2015 12:36 PM

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Mack2 said:

Flashoftheback said:
Which is not possible were Kaneki didn't lost his memory. Perhaps you can say that author probably want to "Ichigo-ing" Kaneki. With he is human, ghoul, CCG, and everything else. Want him to see things from any perspective side to idealizing him or make it difficult for him or whatever author intent is. But the fact that he needed to be neutralized in order for that to work is my problem about it, that's so fake however i see it. As if the author concluded that it's impossible to make Kaneki goes into CCG without his memory got erased, that's why author make it easy and erased his memory so he can be a neutral.

but I can't say ishida(damn quincy) was ichigo-ing kaneki because ichigo inherited everything, even if he gradually came to realize it, and he's been far less introspective about any of it. *crosses fingers* Kaneki has been presented so far as a literature student with introverted tendencies and significant baggage who was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time, whose responses to the ensuing circumstances was.. interesting..

anyway, lets not forget that kaneki's still an experiment, even now. first he was kanou's, now he is CCG's. the CCG needed to at least attempt to compete with Aogiri's "innovations." the CCG's motivation is transparent, and the consistency of the plot is still there...I don't know about you, but if Arima had been like "hey! you broke my quinque..and you scratched my face! here's a job app. we look forward to hearing from you *walks away*" I'd still be calling bullshit to this very nanosecond.

Heh, i bet there's a rat inside of CCG, there is no way an organization like that didn't have any other mad man, it's just Kanou was the first one we know.

As for now, the thing that i can clearly see was Sasaki's role is nothing but to experiencing CCG side and pass it to Kaneki afterward. But if by being there he can discovered something deeper, perhaps it has (another) good reason that author can deliver after all. If Hide is alive then the possibility of it could be higher.

May 23, 2015 2:51 PM

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Flashoftheback said:

Mack2 said:

but I can't say ishida(damn quincy) was ichigo-ing kaneki because ichigo inherited everything, even if he gradually came to realize it, and he's been far less introspective about any of it. *crosses fingers* Kaneki has been presented so far as a literature student with introverted tendencies and significant baggage who was simply at the wrong place at the wrong time, whose responses to the ensuing circumstances was.. interesting..

anyway, lets not forget that kaneki's still an experiment, even now. first he was kanou's, now he is CCG's. the CCG needed to at least attempt to compete with Aogiri's "innovations." the CCG's motivation is transparent, and the consistency of the plot is still there...I don't know about you, but if Arima had been like "hey! you broke my quinque..and you scratched my face! here's a job app. we look forward to hearing from you *walks away*" I'd still be calling bullshit to this very nanosecond.

Heh, i bet there's a rat inside of CCG, there is no way an organization like that didn't have any other mad man, it's just Kanou was the first one we know.

As for now, the thing that i can clearly see was Sasaki's role is nothing but to experiencing CCG side and pass it to Kaneki afterward. But if by being there he can discovered something deeper, perhaps it has (another) good reason that author can deliver after all. If Hide is alive then the possibility of it could be higher.

kanou could be considered the top mad-scientist of the organization with others in line who're still inferior. that's just speculation. there's also the organization V, who may or may not be connected with the CCG.

we can agree that the CCG's experiment with sasaki/kaneki is an act of desperation, simply because of the apparent risk involved, especially if, say, kaneki awakened and somehow took the Q squad with him through loyalty to Sasaki alone. worst of all, it's desperation that shows they're willing to try and rebuild from kanou's leftovers.(the bullshit front-story about CCG's sympathy for kaneki and its/arima's altruism is...laughable.)

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May 30, 2015 8:12 AM

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Kaneki is Kaneki to me. But if I were to treat Sasaki as a different person and pretend he wasn't Kaneki in the past then definitely Kaneki. Also I really want his memories to return. I think we are going to eventually end up with a new personality that will be the result of Kaneki accepting all his sides (even though I thought that's what happened by the end of TG part 1)

Also why do I get the impression that people think Post-Aogiri Kaneki was just some heartless badass type character. He still had moments where you could see his old self.

May 30, 2015 9:55 AM

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i like them both, but i like kaneki more. he was more like... a part of me. idk, some sort of, maybe. but haise is more like an adult and that makes me feel... idk, not close maybe. even though he is 22 and im 21. how can a 22 year old boy be an adult? sasaki is like that and that and so ... yes. kaneki rulez.

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May 30, 2015 2:58 PM

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Can't make me choose they are both awesome.
But then again Kaneki is Kaneki I accept what ever personality he is .

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May 30, 2015 3:22 PM

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Ken Kaneki and I finally want him to come back

Absolutely hated how Sasaki said "I'm Sasaki don't care about Kaneki" in the latest chapter

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May 30, 2015 3:28 PM

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xRydia said:
Isn't it downright foolish to compare Haise with someone who had 143 chapters worth development and characterization?

Come on I thought TG fans were better than this.

Haise is a fake and always will be

May 30, 2015 5:15 PM

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xRydia said:
Isn't it downright foolish to compare Haise with someone who had 143 chapters worth development and characterization?

Come on I thought TG fans were better than this.

Haise is a fake and always will be

and kaneki's a white haired little boy now

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May 30, 2015 7:34 PM

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Mack2 said:

FanEu said:

Haise is a fake and always will be

and kaneki's a white haired little boy now

Try harder

May 30, 2015 8:07 PM

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FanEu said:

Mack2 said:

and kaneki's a white haired little boy now

Try harder

try harder to what? read the spoilers

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May 31, 2015 1:02 AM

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Kaneki was always a scared little boy who didn't want to deal with the things that bother him. Haise is not like that. Haise > Kaneki.

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