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Feb 9, 2015 7:46 AM
#51
StrayBotato said: kokusho36 said: Technically it did though. The show WAS supposed to have more episodes and explore the other characters; that's the expectation it built up. Suddenly cutting it short like that and making the mess that was the last arc lessened the enjoyment of many.-Oreki-Houtarou- said: Minor characters have been obliterated in one ep without backstories. Needed more episodes. Again, this is your own wishful thinking and it has no impact on the show's quality. The last part (episodes 11-12) is horribly written, with poorly explained character motivations, nonsensical dialogue and a ridiculous infodump taken straight out of The Matrix Reloaded. This does not mean, however, that the show being 24 episodes long and having an episode dedicated to each character is automatically a plus. It should have been better written, and having 1 additional episode would have helped with the pacing in this arc, but I could use every other Key anime/VN as proof that more arcs, more episodes, more main characters are often unneeded and end up hurting the series. The 24-episode-long Angel Beats doesn't exist, the side characters are used as comic relief and their backstories are not hinted at or built up (with the exception of a 2-second scene with Noda at the end of the aforementioned shitty arc), and saying that they should have had more episodes focused on them is wishful thinking, it's not a flaw of the show. |
Feb 9, 2015 7:52 AM
#52
It had potential, but failed miserably in the execution. The pacing was merely one of those failures. |
Feb 9, 2015 8:27 AM
#53
kokusho36 said: The thing is the last arc came out of nowhere. No kind of 'good writing' could fix that in just one or two episodes.StrayBotato said: kokusho36 said: -Oreki-Houtarou- said: Minor characters have been obliterated in one ep without backstories. Needed more episodes. Again, this is your own wishful thinking and it has no impact on the show's quality. The last part (episodes 11-12) is horribly written, with poorly explained character motivations, nonsensical dialogue and a ridiculous infodump taken straight out of The Matrix Reloaded. This does not mean, however, that the show being 24 episodes long and having an episode dedicated to each character is automatically a plus. It should have been better written, and having 1 additional episode would have helped with the pacing in this arc, but I could use every other Key anime/VN as proof that more arcs, more episodes, more main characters are often unneeded and end up hurting the series. Sure more arcs doesn't mean better, but sticking to the original plan will at least be more coherent. The show went in an unexpected direction, in a bad way. kokusho36 said: But that's not how it was in Angel Beats!The 24-episode-long Angel Beats doesn't exist, the side characters are used as comic relief and their backstories are not hinted at or built up (with the exception of a 2-second scene with Noda at the end of the aforementioned shitty arc), and saying that they should have had more episodes focused on them is wishful thinking, it's not a flaw of the show. The show DID hint at them having backstories; the mere fact that they are humans and are in that world makes them eligible to have one. And unlike, say, the nameless people down at the "Guild" making guns or that silent moeblob spy that reports to yuri, there were named characters that had a few lines and a bit of screen time, like Noda, Matsushida, TK, Shiina, and Jesus obsessed glasses guy who also were at the center of some important events. The show is about them getting over their pasts, but it didn't have enough time to do that. Basically, it started out introducing a rather big cast of characters, all hinted to have backstories and deep emotional scars or whatever, it then proceeds to explore some of them one by one only to suddenly go "oh lulz we're out of time, here have this out of nowhere new enemy and nonsencial finale arc instead, oh and all the characters moved on xD too bad." Why would a show introduce so many characters and hint at them having interesting backgrounds and personalities, but not bother exploring them? It teases you with them but then does nothing, which is annoying. You're basically trying to justify the equivalent of this: A show about car races suddenly turns to a detective/police story after 8 episodes when a famous driver gets murdered mysteriously, because "24 episode of car racing don't exist, so this is not a flaw in the show." To you, it's not, to people who were promised car races and got something different half way through, it is. Edit: probably a bad example but whatever. If the point gets across then cool, if not then nevermind. I may think of something else. |
Feb 9, 2015 10:10 AM
#54
Oh man this is gonna be a long post... StrayBotato said: kokusho36 said: The thing is the last arc came out of nowhere. No kind of 'good writing' could fix that in just one or two episodes.StrayBotato said: kokusho36 said: Technically it did though. The show WAS supposed to have more episodes and explore the other characters; that's the expectation it built up. Suddenly cutting it short like that and making the mess that was the last arc lessened the enjoyment of many.-Oreki-Houtarou- said: Minor characters have been obliterated in one ep without backstories. Needed more episodes. Again, this is your own wishful thinking and it has no impact on the show's quality. The last part (episodes 11-12) is horribly written, with poorly explained character motivations, nonsensical dialogue and a ridiculous infodump taken straight out of The Matrix Reloaded. This does not mean, however, that the show being 24 episodes long and having an episode dedicated to each character is automatically a plus. It should have been better written, and having 1 additional episode would have helped with the pacing in this arc, but I could use every other Key anime/VN as proof that more arcs, more episodes, more main characters are often unneeded and end up hurting the series. Sure more arcs doesn't mean better, but sticking to the original plan will at least be more coherent. The show went in an unexpected direction, in a bad way. kokusho36 said: But that's not how it was in Angel Beats!The 24-episode-long Angel Beats doesn't exist, the side characters are used as comic relief and their backstories are not hinted at or built up (with the exception of a 2-second scene with Noda at the end of the aforementioned shitty arc), and saying that they should have had more episodes focused on them is wishful thinking, it's not a flaw of the show. The show DID hint at them having backstories; the mere fact that they are humans and are in that world makes them eligible to have one. And unlike, say, the nameless people down at the "Guild" making guns or that silent moeblob spy that reports to yuri, there were named characters that had a few lines and a bit of screen time, like Noda, Matsushida, TK, Shiina, and Jesus obsessed glasses guy who also were at the center of some important events. The show is about them getting over their pasts, but it didn't have enough time to do that. Basically, it started out introducing a rather big cast of characters, all hinted to have backstories and deep emotional scars or whatever, it then proceeds to explore some of them one by one only to suddenly go "oh lulz we're out of time, here have this out of nowhere new enemy and nonsencial finale arc instead, oh and all the characters moved on xD too bad." Why would a show introduce so many characters and hint at them having interesting backgrounds and personalities, but not bother exploring them? It teases you with them but then does nothing, which is annoying. You're basically trying to justify the equivalent of this: A show about car races suddenly turns to a detective/police story after 8 episodes when a famous driver gets murdered mysteriously, because "24 episode of car racing don't exist, so this is not a flaw in the show." To you, it's not, to people who were promised car races and got something different half way through, it is. Edit: probably a bad example but whatever. If the point gets across then cool, if not then nevermind. I may think of something else. The thing is, the main conflict of the series was resolved in episode 9, when Kanade becomes an ally. The series could have continued for 14 episodes following the same pattern as the Yui episode, repeating the same message that the series had already expressed with the Iwasawa and Naoi episodes, while there is no conflict driving the series since Kanade is only playing the bad guy to help Otonashi. Or, as the series does (badly), it could have tried to resolve Yuri's interior conflict, the ONLY one that was left hanging from previous episodes. Yuri is the cause of the situation that had formed in the afterlife: normally, people with terrible pasts would come to the afterlife, they would be rebellious and angsty for a while, but then they would accept the possibility of living a normal adolescence in the purgatory-school and disappear after a while (there are exceptions, like Naoi and Yuri). Yuri managed to create a group of rebels against God, mostly because she could use Kanade as a scapegoat, as someone to fight with in order to reach God, giving her and her underlings a reason to stay in the static and lifeless purgatory. Once Otonashi hears Kanade's reasoning for fighting the SSS and proves them that she's not an Angel, they basically have no choice but to accept that their struggle was pointless, and to start doing what I described earlier (This is made obvious in episode 11). Hinata is an example of someone who didn't need to fulfill his fairly trivial wish to pass on, but he's staying in the school only because he had already figured out the real purpose of purgatory and he wanted to help Otonashi (as he does in episode 10). The shadow-thing is not as important as you might think, it's just a vessel for Yuri's character development (taken straight out of Jun Maeda's ass). The conflict was already resolved and people would have started disappearing by themselves, without the need for a story to be made out of it. Basically, it's because of Yuri and her hatred for God that they were doing what they were doing, and once Otonashi gives them a reasonable alternative, even Yuri is eventually forced to accept what he said. To sum it up: 1) The conflict in the series was already resolved and the only things left to wrap up were Yuri's inner conflict (which is the only decent part of the shadow arc), and Kanade's reason for staying in purgatory. 2) The themes of the series were already established and they're reinforced with Yuri's character arc, without the need for the series to become formulaic and repetitive with more tragic backstories. 3) The last arc could have worked by adding foreshadowing and clarifying Kanade and Yuri's situation (and improving the quality of the dialogues, which is horrible). Both of those could have been accomplished by dedicating an episode to how the two girls met. Keep in mind that this is a very messy series and that some of the things I said are assumptions to fill the holes in the narrative (although I believe my interpretations are correct). I hope I managed to convince you that the show did not suddenly run out of time and introduced stuff just to end the series quickly (again, the shadows are relevant to Yuri's development and not to the other characters' disappeareance), but most of it was about the conflict with angel, which is resolved gradually. Still, if you think that some characters should have been given backstories simply by the fact that they exist in this world and have a name, we will never agree on this topic. They are never defined by more than a character quirk. |
Feb 9, 2015 11:44 AM
#55
Huh.. So you're adding the rest of the characters resolutions into Yuri's arc. That's interesting. I don't particularly agree with the whole Yuri this Yuri that thing though. She is a main character indeed but she isn't what the show revolves around. And btw by the time Yui's arc was done the show did the tragic backstory thing 6 times already (Yuri, Iwasawa, Hinata, Naoi, Otonashi, Yui), saying "there's no need for it to become repetitive and formulaic" is kinda pointless since it already established a sort of formula to go by. kokusho36 said: If the final arc didn't feel like it came out of nowhere, I might have agreed. And I still don't buy that the show is about the conflict with Angel, if it was then the show would have moved in a different direction after the clones' arc, but instead of doing that it went back to Angel vs. SSS, but in a less heated manner I guess.I hope I managed to convince you that the show did not suddenly run out of time and introduced stuff just to end the series quickly (again, the shadows are relevant to Yuri's development and not to the other characters' disappeareance), but most of it was about the conflict with angel, which is resolved gradually. And I certainly can't agree with that after reading somewhere that Jun Maeda was unhappy with how the show turned out and that he wanted to do more. It also gives me an excuse to not mind the asspull too much. kokusho36 said: Now let me be clear, I'm not saying everyone with a name should get a resolution and a character arc, I'm saying there are characters that the show portrayed as fairly important that should have received some development, and it would have done if the show followed the formula from previous episodes. Those character quirks may seem generic and pointless, but that's just on the surface and due to the show not exploring the characters. It isn't as if they gave them quirks just to make them less boring, the ones that were lucky enough to have an on screen resolution are examples of the opposite case.Still, if you think that some characters should have been given backstories simply by the fact that they exist in this world and have a name, we will never agree on this topic. They are never defined by more than a character quirk. In short, you're taking the show as a plot driven story, I'm taking it as a character driven one; so we'll just have to agree to disagree here. I don't think any interpretation is wrong, as long as you don't go down to the "omg dirt = guns so dumb much plothole" level of course, because honestly that's just stupid. Frankly though I haven't re-watched the show in a long time, so I may have a different opinion if I do re-watch it now to refresh my memory. |
Feb 9, 2015 6:39 PM
#56
It was rushed, most tragic anime make me cry this one didn't it was more like oh someone disappeared, okay. It was rather boring if we are being honest almost throughout the whole middle segment of Angel Beats is just kids playing games or fighting kanade. The only sad parts I would have to say is the ending, the ending msuic/visual picture, and the ending after the credits. Everything else was whatever If you want to watch an anime that makes a girl disappearing actually sad watch a flower we say that day. They did it right. |
Feb 9, 2015 6:45 PM
#57
Why EXACTLY Do Peopple Hate Angel Beats Here? Score: 8.511 (scored by 275813 users) ok |
Feb 10, 2015 3:39 AM
#58
StrayBotato said: Huh.. So you're adding the rest of the characters resolutions into Yuri's arc. That's interesting. I don't particularly agree with the whole Yuri this Yuri that thing though. She is a main character indeed but she isn't what the show revolves around. And btw by the time Yui's arc was done the show did the tragic backstory thing 6 times already (Yuri, Iwasawa, Hinata, Naoi, Otonashi, Yui), saying "there's no need for it to become repetitive and formulaic" is kinda pointless since it already established a sort of formula to go by. kokusho36 said: If the final arc didn't feel like it came out of nowhere, I might have agreed. And I still don't buy that the show is about the conflict with Angel, if it was then the show would have moved in a different direction after the clones' arc, but instead of doing that it went back to Angel vs. SSS, but in a less heated manner I guess.I hope I managed to convince you that the show did not suddenly run out of time and introduced stuff just to end the series quickly (again, the shadows are relevant to Yuri's development and not to the other characters' disappeareance), but most of it was about the conflict with angel, which is resolved gradually. The Yui episode, the one that happens after the clones arc, shows us 2 different things: 1) You don't need to fulfill your wish to pass on. Again, Hinata has already made up his mind and he's only staying because he wants to help Otonashi. (Even in the previous episode, Otonashi realizes that he doesn't have regrets but he decides to stay in the afterlife to help the others). 2) Otonashi and Kanade are not able to save everyone with their shenanigans. Yui couldn't care less about the football match and the german suplex. Both those things are relevant in the next arc: 1) No one of the other SSS members cares about rebelling against God. They're only messing around and obeying Yuri because it's fun and because they want to help her, since she is the only one that's obsessed with her rebellion. This is shown in eps 11-12 (and even in the rest of the series), but it could have been expressed better. Still, all those SSS members already had plenty of time to collect their thoughts and live part of the adolescence that was taken away from them, and the fact that they're basically staying behind because they want to help Yuri is coherent with the show's internal logic (again, just like Otonashi and Hinata, and just like the latter, they don't need to fulfill their wish or reach an emotional climax in order to pass on. They're minor characters and I'm willing to accept that). 2) The problem with the shadows forces Otonashi to reveal his intentions to everyone. If he had done this before Yui's episode, he would have saved himself some time since Yui and Hinata would have settled their forced romance without his (useless) involvement. Basically, episode 10 set up the events of the shadow arc and it wasn't a prelude to a series of episodic stories. The only thing left to do for the show is to wrap up Yuri's character arc, since she's not going to disappear that easily. And I certainly can't agree with that after reading somewhere that Jun Maeda was unhappy with how the show turned out and that he wanted to do more. It also gives me an excuse to not mind the asspull too much. I don't like the "Maeda wanted to do more" excuse. It's not relevant to the show's flaws. They could have been fixed with better writing and more episodes, without the need to bring other characters into the mix. I wish I could say that I don't mind the show's asspulls/flaws because it was rushed and it will get a VN remake, but the truth is, Maeda and Key can write garbage-tier stuff even when they're not bothered by time constraints. |
Lollo36Feb 10, 2015 3:49 AM
Feb 11, 2015 2:17 PM
#59
Feb 26, 2015 12:18 PM
#60
it was rushed I love Clannad so I was looking forward to this only to be disappointed as hell this needed at least 25 episodes oh well maybe the incoming VN will be good |
Feb 28, 2015 1:30 PM
#61
I'm not taking anything away from the show I did enjoy Angel beats and sure it had some touching moments but I think it felt a little rushed. It would have been much better in my opinion had it been 24+ Episodes. |
Apr 14, 2015 4:06 AM
#62
I love angel beats but I think here are some of the reasons why some people hate it. - 13 episodes = rushed - supporting characters got thrown away like they're nothing - plot holes or unexplained things - they wanted yuri to be with yuzuru, not kanade - too comical then gets very tragic at the end. - some characters don't have enough audience-to-characters emotional connection - overrated |
Apr 14, 2015 5:57 AM
#63
IDK, its fine in my opinion. Every anime has it's haters, you should just deal with it. TK's the best though. |
Apr 16, 2015 6:03 AM
#64
StardustNyako said: Also, do you feel YuiHinata was forced or adorable/ I see a little of both ._. ONly great thing in this.. Main problem whit the anime is tha they waste so many potential. UpBoat said: I liked it, but there could have easily been 10-15 more episodes. Just for waste more episode? Thanks but no.. 12-3 episode is perfect for a story like this. They just waste lot of episode for nothing. An thsi is the main problem of the anime. |
Jun 24, 2015 1:12 AM
#65
This site tends to hate on anything popular, i've noticed a HUGE incline of angel beats haters. It's what the cool people do. Hate and negativity in the anime community spreads like wild fire. Lots of "sheep" circle jerkers in the community, this site in particular. |
Jun 24, 2015 1:14 AM
#66
The plot was going nowhere, the show itself was too rushed. No background story on some of those i actually liked in the show. And it ended up being boring. No thanks. |
Jun 24, 2015 1:19 AM
#67
Jun 25, 2015 2:40 PM
#68
-People who don't like a show will look for any way they could criticize it. -A popular show attracts all kinds of people, drawing in those who aren't the targeted demographic. Their expectations weren't met, but that's not the show's fault. It just isn't their thing. -Because it's popular, we get more people who will look for any way they can criticize it. It's like this for all popular series. I hate Kill la Kill, but I don't think it's a bad show or overrated. Overrated is just a term people use when they are hurt because everyone else likes a show they dislike. They need a reason to justify that they dislike a well-liked show. Really, you don't need a reason, because it's just natural to have your own tastes. So really, all the people who give you reasons why the show is bad just weren't the show's target audience. Those things people call bad aren't objectively bad, they're subjectively bad. I like that there is a huge cast of characters, and that we didn't focus on every single one of them. I like that it is melodramatic. I like that comedy and angst are both prominent. I like the last arc, despite it seeming rushed. It impacted me. People say things are good or bad, but they're basing it off of what they think is good and bad. That's why everyone has different tastes, and every show will be loved and criticized. You can't please everyone. People would save a lot of time and energy if they'd stop arguing about whether a show is good or bad and they'd just realize our values of good and bad are completely subjective. |
RippleshadowJun 25, 2015 2:46 PM
"Between the first and the second is a huge gap. Being second is just a consolation for the loser. Yes, a consolation for them not to think that, as long as there's someone above them... they're nothing but a loser. The gap between a perfect 100 mark and a 99 is not just one point." -Seidou Takizawa (Tokyo Ghoul manga) |
Jun 25, 2015 8:35 PM
#69
^Well said, +1 Awesome Point |
"Fuck this shit, fun things are fun!" |
Jun 25, 2015 8:55 PM
#70
^^ Really well said. +1 Also, Angel Beats is basically a by-product, an adaptation or a teaser for the upcoming Angel Beats Visual Novel. The true material and the summit of the potential will be found in this VN. |
Jun 26, 2015 1:37 AM
#71
Jun 26, 2015 8:23 AM
#72
I am not a "hater" of it by any means I just wasnt very impressed with it, i feel like it was just ok good enough for me to finish it but thats about it. For me i felt like it was over hyped, i usually love dramas with romance but this just felt rushed and forced. I would constantly read people saying how it made them cry and how great it is and what not and i really enjoy those anime's that can get an emotional response but this just felt to forced and i never bought into any of the characters thus i didnt get an emotional response from it and found it to be an average anime not great but not terrible |
Jun 26, 2015 12:28 PM
#73
wolfbreed said: I am not a "hater" of it by any means I just wasnt very impressed with it, i feel like it was just ok good enough for me to finish it but thats about it. For me i felt like it was over hyped, i usually love dramas with romance but this just felt rushed and forced. I would constantly read people saying how it made them cry and how great it is and what not and i really enjoy those anime's that can get an emotional response but this just felt to forced and i never bought into any of the characters thus i didnt get an emotional response from it and found it to be an average anime not great but not terrible I really appreciate the fact that you're using your feelings to describe your opinion of the anime instead of trying to point out things that are "wrong" with it. It's very easy for me to be receptive of these kinds of opinions because even though I feel differently, I can accept that you didn't like it and we're just into different things, you know? You said you usually love dramas with romance, so maybe AB! is just different than the prototype of drama with romance. I always thought AB! as more of a drama and comedy with a hint of romance. I mean, I've never encountered an anime that simultaneously captures the same melodrama, emotions, and humor that AB! did. Even other Key works have a different "feel" to them than AB! does. |
"Between the first and the second is a huge gap. Being second is just a consolation for the loser. Yes, a consolation for them not to think that, as long as there's someone above them... they're nothing but a loser. The gap between a perfect 100 mark and a 99 is not just one point." -Seidou Takizawa (Tokyo Ghoul manga) |
Jun 26, 2015 12:31 PM
#74
This thread is just bitter, and Angel Beats was a fantastic show regardless of the critical remarks others make about it. And most of those critical remarks are about the little details. How about you just stop being bitter and enjoy it for the message. |
Jun 29, 2015 4:35 AM
#75
Because it's cool to hate on new (2010 and beyond) popular anime. MAL hates anything that is widely praised by the rest of the anime community. They think there opinion matters when it doesn't. There was also a thing on MAL where people circle jerked and down scored anything related to KEY or tried too. It's similar to whats happening to gintama, but the opposite. Happened a month or so before the recent gintama started to air. Certain group of people created alts and/or campaigned to get all of the gintama's in the top 10. It's hard to take MAL seriously. |
davinci12Jun 29, 2015 4:43 AM
Jun 29, 2015 4:40 AM
#76
It's because Angel Beats! was short. 'nuff said. If it were longer, there would be more plothole explanations and more character backstories. |
Jul 2, 2015 6:38 PM
#77
Rippleshadow said: wolfbreed said: I am not a "hater" of it by any means I just wasnt very impressed with it, i feel like it was just ok good enough for me to finish it but thats about it. For me i felt like it was over hyped, i usually love dramas with romance but this just felt rushed and forced. I would constantly read people saying how it made them cry and how great it is and what not and i really enjoy those anime's that can get an emotional response but this just felt to forced and i never bought into any of the characters thus i didnt get an emotional response from it and found it to be an average anime not great but not terrible I really appreciate the fact that you're using your feelings to describe your opinion of the anime instead of trying to point out things that are "wrong" with it. It's very easy for me to be receptive of these kinds of opinions because even though I feel differently, I can accept that you didn't like it and we're just into different things, you know? You said you usually love dramas with romance, so maybe AB! is just different than the prototype of drama with romance. I always thought AB! as more of a drama and comedy with a hint of romance. I mean, I've never encountered an anime that simultaneously captures the same melodrama, emotions, and humor that AB! did. Even other Key works have a different "feel" to them than AB! does. My true feeling is that if they had given more depth to the characters and given me the opportunity to buy into them and relate to them i could have immersed myself into the story more. Basically if they had added a few more episodes, what some people might call filler episodes, if done right and if they focus on character development and some more subtext even of some side characters i believe i would have found more enjoyment from it as i could have gained an attachment to those characters and would most likely have found more enjoyment. As a side note thank you for taking the time to read and respect my opinions it is quite refreshing |
wolfbreedJul 2, 2015 6:41 PM
Jul 4, 2015 11:57 AM
#78
Why are so stupid. too hard to like an anime? not one anime is perfect |
Sep 15, 2015 8:29 AM
#79
It's writing, ending and teasing is downright insulting. |
Oct 24, 2015 7:31 AM
#80
I enjoyed this anime, I really did, but looking at it from an objective viewpoint, putting my enjoyment aside, I can't say this is a great anime. It was rushed, had characters doing things that only an idiot would do and it had way too many plot holes and unanswered questions. My enjoyment was probably a 9/10. The anime was probably only 7/10, and that might even be generous. |
"It's a tragic misunderstanding that could have been easily avoided if he just finished his sentence in time!" — Richard Watterson (The Amazing World of Gumball) |
Oct 24, 2015 6:25 PM
#81
I understand people have their opinions and such, but just seeing as to why people didn't like Angel Beats, makes me so mad. I just can't agree with their reasoning. I thought Angel Beat's music was awesome. The right songs came at the right times. Supporting characters did get back stories. Well not all. But I can agree there weren't enough episodes. But that's just me not being satisfied when a good anime ends, and you want more. Not where an anime hasn't reached it full potential because of episode count. But I'm sure Key couldn't have made more episodes because of a proposed budget at the beginning of the project. Still a great anime to me though. |
Nov 14, 2015 11:58 PM
#82
Feb 26, 2016 2:02 PM
#83
Shitty development And because fuckers fan girl over Kanade and Otanashi, come on, they never kissed and what not, i didn't grow attatched to any characters, if it was 24 episodes, lots of good development, i would've cried harder and it would become an instant favourite. But because not, it fucking sucks. |
Feb 26, 2016 6:51 PM
#84
Terrible development, forced feelz ending, little exploration for any of the characters besides Otonashi & Yuri, random villain whose existance is still a huge mystery and alot more. But sure, keep ignoring it's various flaws and say it's "only because AB! is popular" |
Feb 26, 2016 6:54 PM
#85
General Key/Maeda problems. The anime was rushed, so it tried to throw feels at you, which definitely didn't make up for the lack of plot progression and logical behavior in characters. Definitely forced. All romantic interaction was forced. You just don't have two characters be nothing but annoyed with each other and then try to convince the viewer they make a good pair. It's not convincing at all. |
Feb 26, 2016 7:02 PM
#86
KaoruMatsuoka said: I still wonder to thi day why I bought the Yui Hinata coupling . . .General Key/Maeda problems. The anime was rushed, so it tried to throw feels at you, which definitely didn't make up for the lack of plot progression and logical behavior in characters. Definitely forced. All romantic interaction was forced. You just don't have two characters be nothing but annoyed with each other and then try to convince the viewer they make a good pair. It's not convincing at all. |
"Fuck this shit, fun things are fun!" |
Feb 26, 2016 11:28 PM
#87
Feb 26, 2016 11:28 PM
#88
What anime is this http://imgur.com/H311rYa |
Mewmew |
Feb 27, 2016 4:35 AM
#89
LOL Amnesia. Personally I would not reccomend it- Starts off horribly generic, becomes really unsettling and crazy . . . |
"Fuck this shit, fun things are fun!" |
Mar 9, 2016 11:13 AM
#90
Mar 28, 2016 6:16 AM
#91
I can't speak for everyone else but I can tell you some of you why I hate it so much. The main reason I hate it is because it's false. It's a fake show with fake characters with false emotions. It's sole purpose of being is to try and illicit some sort of emotional response in order to sell more books, movies and music cd's. It is a marketing gimmick, plain and simple. The characters. What few characters get any actual story to them are horribly cliché. It's like the writer took every single cliché he could find from anime's and stuffed them into every single character and then multiplied it by infinity. There is NO depth to any of the characters and what little interesting characters they do have are glossed over and never really expanded upon. Basically for all intents and purposes this show actually has three characters. There's the emotionless Angel, The main guy Yuzuri and the brain dead but angry Yuri who leads her crew against Angel because....well why not. It has a wide cast of secondary characters that are never even touched upon. Not even a tiny bit of back story which is a shame because there was one or two of them that I would have really liked to know more about. It's pointless, there is NO real impact of anyone's actions. No one can die so there's nothing at stake. If you get crushed, oh well, we all laugh and do it again. The same gags are used over and over ad infinitum nauseum like the exploding chair that slams into the ceiling. They literally waste 1/3 of a entire show reusing the same formulaic gags. It's hard to get emotionally invested in characters that are this shallow plus nothing bad can really happen to them. It just makes it all seem so meh. I really thought Angel was a freaking robot. She was just so emotionless throughout the whole show and even at the end where everyone is supposed to tear up she's still emotionless. How am I supposed to show emotions if the characters won't? My main gripe about the show is that it has one purpose and one purpose only. To make money. I get all shows want to make money in some form but it's rarely so obvious that the show is created with this one purpose in mind. Look at that pointless band in the show. The ONLY reason it's in the show is for them to sell cd's of that band. Of course not many people fell for that so they didn't make a fortune off of that horrible music but still. It was way too obvious and was just a slap in the face. There are bazillion posts about his fact that can explain it better than I can. For the life of me I'll never understand how anyone can tear up over this show. It was purposely created to try and illicit a fake emotion out of you and people fall for it. It would be like getting to the end of a really good tearjerking movie but instead of an old man holding his dear wife as she dies it would instead cut to a blank screen while the words "She died and I'm so sad." flashed by on the screen. It is one of the best examples I've seen of "Show and not tell." This show never shows you anything. Instead it constantly tells you how to feel. Oh, this is funny, you should laugh. See, here it is again. It's funny. Now this is sad. You should cry. Any good story teller learns how to let their work show you what's happening. They do it through their characters, their actions, the setting, etc. Really bad authors don't understand this show they have to tell you how you should feel about any particular scene. It was rushed, formulaic, fake and there wasn't an ounce of character growth or depth. The main guy just goes along with a bunch of moronic terrorists. His first scene involves one of them shooting Angel and even despite what he's seen he just goes along with the whole: She's evil and we need to stop her" malarkey. Not once does anyone even think to actually you know talk to Angel. Instead they just all blindly follow while trying to kill this one girl because she's the class prez. Seriously, I could go on and on pointing out everything that's wrong with this show but if you haven't noticed that for yourself then there's no point. I will never watch or read anything else from the creator of Angel Beats. He has a bad habit of reusing the same things on everything he does. To me he's a con man and he's gotten away with scamming people out of their hard earned money for too long with his false anime's. Just fake fake fake. |
Mar 28, 2016 9:59 AM
#92
Just finished it. I don't really hate it, it had some sad scenes and I liked some of it's comedy, but it's just way too many characters for a 12 episodes show. I didn't care about many of them, hell even the main character was pretty bland. Still I don't think the show was bad, but I can see why many people call it overrated. |
Apr 14, 2016 2:51 PM
#93
I don't hate it. I was disappointed and feel that it is overrated. I'll state some reasons why it is overrated: - Forced drama that never felt genuine and tried too hard to make you cry - Lack of character development (undeveloped characters for which we are supposed to care about) - Lack of proper story progression (rushed and a mess) - Lack of explanation on certain issues (why only teenagers are there in the purgatory, how does Angel have Otonashi's heart and be there before him,etc.) {this is a minor issue compared to the others} All in all, it felt forced and contrived. I rate anime according to genre they belong to and this show didn't do justice to its genre. I would give it at best a 7/10 or even a 7.5/10. It doesn't deserve an 8.5/10. I'm also a very generous person when it comes to ratings, so keep that in mind when I say I'd give it a 7/10. |
bikers123Apr 14, 2016 2:54 PM
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May 6, 2016 1:49 PM
#94
So full of plot holes I couldn't be bothered to care about anything that was happening. I don't think there was a moment in this show that made sense. I couldn't get into the show at all. Never made me actually care about the characters. I thought TK was entertaining but that was it. Same problem as the original Clannad series in that it goes in trying to give you TEH FEELZ without actually taking the steps necessary to make me actually care, it just dumps these cartoonishly sad backstories for the characters as if I'm supposed to care about these pieces of cardboard. At least here it wasn't as bad because it at least makes sense why everyone has sad backstories. I gave the show a 2. I gave it an extra point because I really like the sound track. |
May 10, 2017 7:06 PM
#95
I loved angel beats. It became one of my favorite animes when I finished it. There was only one thing I hated about it... Yui x Hinata. I'm not trying to hate on any yui x hinata lovers, I'm just stating my opinion. I think it was very rushed/sudden, and I don't really understand why that many people are obsessed and in love with them being together so maybe I need someone to help me understand... |
May 10, 2017 7:36 PM
#96
I don't hate it, but i can see why people do. It was rushed, plot holes, side chars were introduced then thrown to...well the side. If it was 24-26 episodes people may be saying something different. It had so much potential in it, but sadly it was wasted. |
May 11, 2017 6:01 AM
#97
StardustNyako said: i DO NOT ask this as someone who can't acept that people don't like what I like. I am FINE with people not liking Angel Beats. I am just really curious of the exact reasons why people hate/dislike the show. I don't exactly hate the show, but I only hate one thing: I hate Otonashi as the main protagonist. The only thing I want is Yuri as the main protagonist. |
May 11, 2017 6:05 AM
#98
Too much music. While Japanese voice acting is brilliant, music/singing in anime grates on my brain |
May 11, 2017 7:16 AM
#99
realSuki306 said: Holy. Crap. I can only try to help you...There was only one thing I hated about it... Yui x Hinata. I'm not trying to hate on any yui x hinata lovers, I'm just stating my opinion. I think it was very rushed/sudden, and I don't really understand why that many people are obsessed and in love with them being together so maybe I need someone to help me understand... I think the thing people love about them is their pure animosity and seeming incongruity at first. It blossoms into one of those love-hate relationships where they enjoy beating each other up, and thus really appreciate each other. It's really cute. But then, every thing in Angel Beats is polarizing. I, for one, hated just how many plot threads were left dangling at the end. Can someone explain to me what the entire arc with Naoi was even about? What was with the Controller or whatever in that computer room? Why were there all those clone Tenshis? And of course, there's the whole "the show suddenly cutting to the end" thing. |
May 11, 2017 7:20 AM
#100
I did not know there were people who hated Angel Beats. |
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