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| Ranked #203? Score: 8.30? 1 episode the hype is strong in this one XD |
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| This episode was a soap opera with some psychological twist. I had to keep switching sides throughout the whole thing. This really makes you think of who's going to the void and who's being reincarnated. akutasame94 said: Anyone thinking that the chick lied at the end? It confuses me a bit. I believe she didn't lie, but the scene when she took the elevator to the void, I think she was either feeling regret for what she did or she did lie to her husband to protect him and let him be reincarnated. I think it was both. She did actually cheat, but realizing things and how paranoid her husband became about her affair, she allowed him to be reincarnated instead of herself. The OP was so unexpected for the atmosphere and theme of the show........and I love that OP. I am definitely getting the full version of this when it comes out. The ED was really good as well (the band/artist who made the Barakamon ED is back! I love Innocence!). 5/5. |
| Had to watch this twice. So awesome. It maade so many twists and turns and left me with so many mixed feelings xD |
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| This kind of makes me wish Skyhigh would get an anime. |
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| Art and animation are gorgeous as expected based Madhouse. The concept is similar with the OVA, Death Billiards and it's going to be episodic I assume. There are many things still unanswered but judging from the OVA and this episode, I believe all the flashbacks were real and actually did happen. Thus.. Silvertongue00 said: OutZoned said: I don't think that she was actually cheating. It definitely appeared to me that she was lying just to strike back at him. She sarcastically told him what he wanted to hear because he couldn't handle the truth. We also don't know the criteria for how people are chosen for "the void" and "reincarnation." For all we know, "the void" could be "heaven" because it releases you from life, while "reincarnation" could be "hell" because it subjects you to the pain of living again. Based on the fact that we don't know the criteria, we also can't make assumptions that cheating on someone is an action that sends you to one place or the other. This system may not even take actions into account, and instead focuses only on emotional and mental states. There are far too many unanswered questions that need resolved before we can draw any sort of conclusions, especially ones based on a system of morality that may not even exist in the show. She cheat on him and she feel bad for it. When she see Takashi going nuts from distrust she feels she deserve some 'punishment'. http://i.imgur.com/04gpXu4.jpg I believe the winner have right to choose like in "Death Billiard", hence she choose to disappear and let Takashi reincarnated. This expression tells that "She did cheat on him, but she is truly in love with Takashi and the child is his" http://i.imgur.com/Q3IF9jE.jpg +1 Basically this. I like your take on it. |
| One thing i want to denote is, if the couple refuse to play the game, the bartender shows this: http://i61.tinypic.com/2qbyus3.jpg "corpses" hanging. But in the op appears this guy: http://i61.tinypic.com/200dvgy.jpg "manequins" hanging. So, what happen if they refuse to play? Some people mentioned that "hell" means staying in the bar forever. For one method or other, that will be the case. Finally, the design for this character is a clear reference... http://i57.tinypic.com/2vxk32g.jpg http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iEKLFS-aKcw/maxresdefault.jpg |
RanntaJan 10, 2015 1:19 PM
| If you think she actually cheated on him, you should watch the episode again. Originally, I thought she actually had an affair. After my second watch, and really paying close attention, it's pretty apparent that she did not. |
Satire said: If you think she actually cheated on him, you should watch the episode again. Originally, I thought she actually had an affair. After my second watch, and really paying close attention, it's pretty apparent that she did not. How so? Can you explain? |
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Satire said: If you think she actually cheated on him, you should watch the episode again. Originally, I thought she actually had an affair. After my second watch, and really paying close attention, it's pretty apparent that she did not. I actually think she cheated and then regretted it, thats why she goes to the void to think about what she did. There is another thread where we discuss the interpretation of the masks and the void and reincarnation itself. |
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| I felt like I got slapped in my face really hard after watching this OP. I was all happy and thinking to myself that it couldn't be too bad if it starts like this... I've never been so wrong in my life before! I really liked this as an first episode. It doesn't take it easy and doesn't waste time explaining things. You will find out as you go and watch. I do believe the wife cheated on her husband. She just broke after realizing she won and seeing how pathetic her husband had gotten in her eyes. I am happy to see that she is the one going to the void instead of her husband. I mean the one who wins this kind of game, torturing his or her partner and thinking you're condemning them to a terrible faith, should be the one that goes into the void. |
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0_Cypher said: I felt like I got slapped in my face really hard after watching this OP. I was all happy and thinking to myself that it couldn't be too bad if it starts like this... I've never been so wrong in my life before! I really liked this as an first episode. It doesn't take it easy and doesn't waste time explaining things. You will find out as you go and watch. I do believe the wife cheated on her husband. She just broke after realizing she won and seeing how pathetic her husband had gotten in her eyes. I am happy to see that she is the one going to the void instead of her husband. I mean the one who wins this kind of game, torturing his or her partner and thinking you're condemning them to a terrible faith, should be the one that goes into the void. Are you serious? So (possibly) cheating is worse than wanting to stab and beat your defenseless wife because she cheated? Let's not forget that during the game he was bullshitting around and tried to harm her. Let's also not forget that he's the one to blame for getting them and the unborn child killed. Machiko only won because Takashi attacked her as she was about to purposely miss the board and thru off her aim when he grabbed her. Takashi was the true piece of shit here. Also, the Void =/= Hell, and Reincarnation =/= a good thing or Heaven. |
| So, he thinks she has an affair, finds out she has an affair, in denial, insists she has an affair, so she says she has an affair out of anger, and they play a game of darts, to convey their emotions, be it fear of death or anger or revenge. That was.... messy to be sure. I liked the art style, but it wasn't as impressive as you people make it out to be. This will get the SAO treatment, I guarantee it :) |
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| Now that was a great start :> Some time ago I've been wondering if they use the OVA as the first episode to introduce all the stuff, but fortunately we got new players for the beginning. I really liked the OP, so different than the episode's plot when it comes to atmosphere. |
Mikasa said: So, he thinks she has an affair, finds out she has an affair, in denial, insists she has an affair, so she says she has an affair out of anger, and they play a game of darts, to convey their emotions, be it fear of death or anger or revenge. That was.... messy to be sure. I liked the art style, but it wasn't as impressive as you people make it out to be. This will get the SAO treatment, I guarantee it :) Not possible, as unlike SAO, this isn't utter shit from the jump. |
| That was intense, I'm going to enjoy watching this one. Can't wait for the next episode already! c': I also love how the OP turned out. (I should go and watch Death Billiards right about now.) |
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Makaze_no_Moujuu said: Mikasa said: So, he thinks she has an affair, finds out she has an affair, in denial, insists she has an affair, so she says she has an affair out of anger, and they play a game of darts, to convey their emotions, be it fear of death or anger or revenge. That was.... messy to be sure. I liked the art style, but it wasn't as impressive as you people make it out to be. This will get the SAO treatment, I guarantee it :) Not possible, as unlike SAO, this isn't utter shit from the jump. Actually SAO ep1 had the same high reception and even more than this episode, it's one of the most well-received premieres of all time. Then came the rest and people were like....nah. |
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| I don't really understand. What was the point of the game if Machiko got sent into the void despite winning? Also, I couldn't tell if she was really lying about their relationship the whole time or if she was just upset at what her husband thought of her, so she said those awful things. The ED theme DID show that there was a Machida at their wedding like she said... Next episode looks really interesting though. I care more about the world these people live in then 12 episodes of random death games. |
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HeavensC said: Satire said: If you think she actually cheated on him, you should watch the episode again. Originally, I thought she actually had an affair. After my second watch, and really paying close attention, it's pretty apparent that she did not. I actually think she cheated and then regretted it, thats why she goes to the void to think about what she did. There is another thread where we discuss the interpretation of the masks and the void and reincarnation itself. What's actually ahead for them behind those elevators/masks is difficult to tell. But it was so obvious that Machiko lied. Lied about not falling in love. Didn't you realize after seeing the flashback she had. While Takeshi only recollected Machiko cheating on him and accumulating nothing but hate for her ever since the day they got married, Machiko's recollections were the face of the man she fell in love with. As she walked down in despair, she clenched her lips, wiped off her tears started saying the opposite. Watch the episode again if it will help make sense. :) |
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| It was great. It really got that psychological theme going. I know the ending was left up for interpretation, but since I'm dumb to catch on to things. What happened to the woman and man? Did the game really decide who went to heaven or hell? Or was it a judgement sort of thing? |
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shanimebib said: What's actually ahead for them behind those elevators/masks is difficult to tell. But it was so obvious that Machiko lied. Lied about not falling in love. Didn't you realize after seeing the flashback she had. While Takeshi only recollected Machiko cheating on him and accumulating nothing but hate for her ever since the day they got married, Machiko's recollections were the face of the man she fell in love with. As she walked down in despair, she clenched her lips, wiped off her tears started saying the opposite. Watch the episode again if it will help make sense. :) Building on this, keep in mind that the screenplay (edit: and cinematography, which I forgot to add) play a big part as well. The sequence of events should lead you to see that she was lying when she said "Who could love you?, etc." when you watch it a second time. That scene, where she's in bed with the other guy, is how she pictures her husband's view of her. If you remember, her flashbacks were all about him and how happy she was with him. The pregnancy part of the flashback was a big giveaway as well. If that was a child of a possible affair, she would not be smiling; she would be worried. She even wipes away her tears before she turns and starts going off. She loved him. He did not love her the same way, as you can see by his flashbacks where he's constantly paranoid and sure that she cheated on him. Also, there is a wedding invitation (picture above) that shows she wasn't lying about her friend being invited to the wedding. |
SatireJan 10, 2015 5:25 PM
shanimebib said: HeavensC said: I actually think she cheated and then regretted it, thats why she goes to the void to think about what she did. There is another thread where we discuss the interpretation of the masks and the void and reincarnation itself. What's actually ahead for them behind those elevators/masks is difficult to tell. But it was so obvious that Machiko lied. Lied about not falling in love. Didn't you realize after seeing the flashback she had. While Takeshi only recollected Machiko cheating on him and accumulating nothing but hate for her ever since the day they got married, Machiko's recollections were the face of the man she fell in love with. As she walked down in despair, she clenched her lips, wiped off her tears started saying the opposite. Watch the episode again if it will help make sense. :) Hmmm That's interesting. |
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| Great ep : ) think I am going to enjoy the show Not sure if the woman cheated or not. Her flashbacks from where she experienced happy times with the husband seemed rather legit. Also judging from her behaviour when she confessed, maybe she was just lying to him, because he changed so much and she realized it was eating him up. Judging from the Ova, where the young, corrupted man went to reincarnation, and the old happy man went to the void, and this ep, where the man who was tortured by suspicion and the woman who was living a happy life (regardless wether she cheated or not. I mean if, she got what she wanted, if not she was happy with her husband seen from flashbacks like the car scene), I guess that those who are seand to reincarnation get another chance to be happy, those who lived a fulfilled life go into the void. (One can see where they ended up by the masks over the elevators) |
| Madhouse you spoil us so. I'm honestly a bit speechless; all I can really say is that it was utterly marvelous in every regard. From the hilariously awesome opening to the preview of episode two I was completely entranced. Very rarely does a show fulfill everything I could possibly need or ask for from fiction, but this one did. I am intellectually, artistically, and emotionally satisfied. This is what I watch anime for -- hell, this kind of shit is what I watch anything for. Hell fucking yes. |
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| That was intense, loved it from beginning to end. |
| wait...why do people think she cheated? I saw no indication of that, just that she was lying that she did cheat wtf that's why the ending confuses why she went to the void.... |
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| I'm very much sadist, I'm in love with this anime :3 I can try to explain you what I think about this couple.. |
GaichiJan 10, 2015 6:06 PM
"A half moon, it has a dark half and a bright half, just like me…", Yuno Gasai |
| That was a fun anime to watch and very interesting. The flashbacks between Takashi and his wife (I can't remember her name atm) both contrast one another. His wife's flashbacks showcased her moments with Takashi. On the other hand, Takashi's flashbacks were entirely made out of his disgust and jealousy towards his wife. There are so many other little details I probably missed when watching the first episode. For example, I was unaware that Takashi originally came from the "void" door, where as for his wife, she came from the "heaven" door. |
| Quite disappointing to be honest. The whole point is to not reveal who went into the void or got reincarnated. |
bla bla bla The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.Niko-kun said: On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard? |
| Awesome episode, enjoyed it more than the OVA, I really love the use of the emotions and subtle things to tell you what's happening. I'm confused af about the ending tho. PS. I still think the woman didnt cheat, that flashback could mean a past relationship, the woman gave up for the man, you can even see how surprised the Bartender is, because he already knoes the truth. The man acted like a psycho :/ Cant wait for more! |
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| i dont think the woman cheated... and at the start she came out of the reincarnation door so does it mean your fate can change based on what you confess to, no matter the 'truth' of it. |
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| This could easily be aots, no wonders, Madhouse. |
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| Welp There it goes Everyone's dancing nowadays Gugure Ansatsu Kyoushitsu (THAT WASN'T EVEN DANCING. THAT WAS JUST RAISING YOUR PALM OR YOUR FIST IN THE AIR) And now, Death Parade Shit. That penis was nasty. That's definitely MADHOUSE quality right there, but I only see NTR fags fawning over this. |
wakka9ca said: Quite disappointing to be honest. The whole point is to not reveal who went into the void or got reincarnated. I don't think it's disappointing at all. If you watched Billiards, this would not be surprising. If anything, knowing who went where is good in it's own way. Now you can think about why one person got the heaven door and why the other got the hell door. CuteMelita said: . I'm confused af about the ending tho. PS. I still think the woman didnt cheat, that flashback could mean a past relationship, the woman gave up for the man, you can even see how surprised the Bartender is, because he already knoes the truth. The man acted like a psycho :/ That flashback doesn't even come close to hinting at a past relationship that she gave up. That flashback was about a supposed affair, in which the truth is open to interpretation. There's really only two theories you can go with. 1. She cheated on him and got the hell door 2. She lies and gives her husband an out. They both are fully aware that he is the reason for the accident and why they're both dead to begin with, hence why he comes out of the hell door in the beginning and she comes out of the heaven door. However, her lying consequently gets her the hell door. There's far more evidence to suggest #2, so that's what I'd assume is the truth. Both theories are covered in the thread. Also, there is no evidence to suggest that Decim knows the truth about their lives and circumstances of their actual deaths. All he knows is that they are already dead. The game does not matter. What they say and do determines what elevator they take at the end. |
Satire said: having an episodic series where it always ends vague would get old quickwakka9ca said: Quite disappointing to be honest. The whole point is to not reveal who went into the void or got reincarnated. I don't think it's disappointing at all. If you watched Billiards, this would not be surprising. If anything, knowing who went where is good in it's own way. Now you can think about why one person got the heaven door and why the other got the hell door. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| I thought this was a really solid first episode. Will be looking forward to rest of the show. This is my take on this episode. Her story about Macchi seems to be true which is supported by the picture in the credits of her spot at their wedding. I highly doubt they would have included this if her story was indeed just a farce. She told the story way too well and the story was much too elaborate for me to believe that it was all made up. However, it's also clear that she indeed did cheat on him after their marriage from the one flashback where she is in the bed with another man. From her expression during this scene she clearly feels regret for this. This may have been due to her husband's suspicions of her cheating after hearing the story from her friends and believed it to be her. I'm inclined to believe the phone calls that she keeps receiving during their honeymoon is from the man that she cheated with. She is pregnant with her husband's baby. Her facial expression from the positive pregnancy test is of joy which makes me inclined to believe that it's her husband's. From the flashback of her cheating she obviously does not love the man she cheated with and there's no indication of any other man that she really loves except for her husband. From the details given in the episode it makes no sense for it to be anyone but her husband's baby. It's painfully obvious that she was bluffing at the end with her "confession" about cheating on him and the baby not being his just from how forced and overblown it is. I believe this is supported from Decim's surprised face following her act. This was simply her trying to make it seem like she was completely guilty of everything to her husband. She doesn't want her husband to feel guilty that he sent her to hell or whatever the void is while he is reincarnated. I'm inclined to believe that it is either the winner that decides the fate of the two or it's simply through the actions/words of the two during/following the game. If it's the former then obviously she made the choice to take the sacrifice for her husband. If it's the latter then I guess Decim decided that this would the better conclusion that would leave them happier overall (?). Unless the masks being flipped at the conclusion of the episode compared to the beginning is a lie and he lied to the two people at the end as well. tl;dr: Wife took sacrifice for husband. |
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| That was a bit more drastic with the loss of organs than expected, being "painful". Both of the victims were awful people in their own way. Good starter. The other games should be pretty interesting. |
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G_Spark233 said: Great start. Reminded me of the ova and how people can be very selfish when pushed into a corner. The op seemed pretty random 0_o It was sad to see how that guy's suspicions ended up being correct. I'm not quite sure about that. I 'd say it could also be interpreted as the wife tricking decim into believing she was the "bad guy" because it seemed out of character. Then again, how much can we really tell about a character in one episode, so chances are it is the straightforward answer. I do like, however, that they leave you second guessing what they have shown. They had me and others in disbelief at the ending. That is well done. It could also be that because she wanted him to be reborn or what have you, Decim respected her wishes. In the end, we don't knwo enough about him to know what went through his head. I will say there was a scene I couldn't help but find a bit laughable; they were inspecting the bar's bathrooms and exclaimed "The bathroom's in here" in a surprised tone even though we see immediately afterwards that there were restroom signs posted on the doors. Whatever though, if anything it made that scene more enjoyable xD. |
turtleinshellJan 10, 2015 9:12 PM
| The Hype is Real... Overall animation and story is good. I thought that this was going to be episodic, but after seeing the preview it would seem that it will be the progressive type of storytelling, which is good. |
| Holy crap, this anime does not mess around. Absolutely amazing. That OP made me lol :D |
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