Psycho-Pass 2 Episode 8 Discussion

Gymkata said:


Agreed. My God I don't even know where to start with this episode. Hands down the worst we've seen so far. Some of the rebuttals to prior criticism were admittedly sound enough to nuture my hope for better execution, characters, and creativity. Unfortunately, it just got flushed. Kamui, we learn, is a confection of 184 body parts? which magically survived a plane crash by conveniently ignoring impact forces and their tendency to shatter organs. The whole post-apocalyptic, cyberpunk Frankenstein twist was about as terrible as the comedic attempt between Akane and Togane (which by the way was 100x better when she peered at Kogami's scar in S1). Much as I can't stand Mika's bitchiness, I was really looking forward to some potential depth later on. No dice. Apparently, she's sharp enough to independently unearth the most significant case data so far, but not enough to be the least bit wary of Chief, especially after learning of Togane's sordid past, seeing the picture, etc. No, instead she considers it more logical to recommend having Akane relieved of duty. Laughable. Her loyalty to Sybil be damned, I can't subscribe to this level of stupidity anymore. And now they're keeping her alive to serve as a "model citizen"? Yeah...whatever. Hell, I don't even know why Sybil considers Mika a threat; she's been its biggest lapdog supporter the whole series. It was CHIEF who revealed top secret info. And don't even get me started on the contrived AA "investigative trap" Kasei concocted >_< The worst offender though was the giant steaming pile of info dump narrative that permeated nearly the entire episode. It just killed the suspense. The only character of this series I can appreciate is Ginoza, and he's been given ZERO development...

Would Kogami please return and put us out of our misery by blasting everyone with his .45?

TmZ_Holymama said:
On the other hand, I'm glad that Kogami didn't involve in this mess at all, cause I'm really concern right now that his story would be beyond repairable. I'd rather see him in the movie instead. You know when they revealed the truth about Kamui's brains and body, even my 12 years old sister laughed at it..She's like... are they..really? Please don't make an excuse that it's just an anime,anything could happen... well if that's the case, why not just stick to those stereotypes shonen out there?

Zetsubo667 said:
@Darkdrone:

Well regarding your first small issue you can write that off as Mika keeping the info she found out to herself before reporting it to the chief. So Akane and the others wouldn't of found out if it wasn't for the doctor.
Second issue can possibly be a red herring to a plot twist later on like Saiga being Togane's father.
Third issue was explained last episode, Kasei knows where Shisui is but will not take any action because her PP is clear.
Fourth one I pretty much agree with you its pretty ridiculous how they managed to do this but I would just write it off as them having advanced technology making it possible.

Can't comment on your first major issue as its been a while since I saw season 1 and I don't remember that unfortunately.

Second major issue, I believe its because Mika is criminally asymptomatic if you remember Togane's reaction to her PP, I'm not entirely sure on this, but if this is the case then Kasei telling Mika about them isn't wrong at all. As she did the same with Makishima. But if she isn't then I would agree with you its seems odd to have told her such a secret as she's not an Akane.

WorldInverse said:
is it just me or this episode's animation quality is bad?

Darkdrone said:


-That isn't really the point. If a useless character like Mika can find out all this information, then why not Akane?
-Saiga being Togane's father? What? That doesn't make any sense. Saiga was born in 2063 and Togane was born in 2073.
-It doesn't matter about Shisui, all that matters is taking down Kamui. Shisui is just there, if Togane can take care of Kamui, then they can rest easy. Togane even said he wanted to take care of him and so having his location would be beneficial.
-Mika cannot be criminally asymptomatic. If she was, then she could naturally control her psycho pass at will and lower it to an acceptable number. Kasei and Togane had no reason to keep Mika alive after she found out the information and the fact that they wanted to test her reaction to the Sibyl System is ridiculous. As I said before, they could have found a more controllable test subject and see how they react.

People can side step and try to downplay the bad writing all they want but lets be honest and say the writing just isn't good at all. Too many times in the series I am scratching my head at the characters motives or thought process. In fact it seems to be getting worse as the season progresses.

Welp 3 episodes to go and so lets see how this plays out.

RainbowIslands said:
Retaining and using the serial killer's PERSONALITY and stuff to the point it can control everything? Dystopian nightmare. I guess we sorta heard about it last season... But this is worse... Where did the democracy inside sybil go?

Also I guess how Togane (son) became an enforcer is because his mom was pulling the strings...?! :S Sybil was somewhat morally grey in S1. Right now in S2, it's black and wrong. Hopefully it redeems itself somehow. I mean it's interesting, but it nowhere near Urobuchi-writing.

cyruz said:
Yup, toxic thread, as expected. Played you all like a violin.

alpha_shadow said:
awesome episode, this second season is great, idk why people are bashing it like it's the worst thing ever, because it's not.

yhunata said:
As usual, MAL loves to hate. Me, I actually prefer the storyline of this season to last season's. Hell, I even love Mika (she does have her annoying moments, I'll give ya that). Have you ever put yourself in her shoes, with only the knowledge that she should have (i.e. not the knowledge we have from the first season), in her reality and then thought as to whether or not her methods are wrong and unusual? If you still think her methods are unusual and abnormal, you're either ignorant or unable to let go of the fact that their society is completely different from ours and as such, expecting them to act like one would in our society, you are (once again) ignorant. In fact, I remember Ginoza getting shit for doing what he was supposed to do last season (same shit Mika's doing, just a bit more toned down). Remember when he was ready to put the dogs on Kogami for "running away"? Yeah, he mellowed out, but when? Once he started to know Sibyl's true colors and how did he end up?

tl;dr : I like this season more than last one and y'all are hating way too much.

PriestSlayer said:
I see, but i think you're missing a point. Mika is supposed to be an unlikeable character, just like Ginoza in S1

Darkdrone said:


-That isn't really the point. If a useless character like Mika can find out all this information, then why not Akane?
-Saiga being Togane's father? What? That doesn't make any sense. Saiga was born in 2063 and Togane was born in 2073.
-It doesn't matter about Shisui, all that matters is taking down Kamui. Shisui is just there, if Togane can take care of Kamui, then they can rest easy. Togane even said he wanted to take care of him and so having his location would be beneficial.
-Mika cannot be criminally asymptomatic. If she was, then she could naturally control her psycho pass at will and lower it to an acceptable number. Kasei and Togane had no reason to keep Mika alive after she found out the information and the fact that they wanted to test her reaction to the Sibyl System is ridiculous. As I said before, they could have found a more controllable test subject and see how they react.

People can side step and try to downplay the bad writing all they want but lets be honest and say the writing just isn't good at all. Too many times in the series I am scratching my head at the characters motives or thought process. In fact it seems to be getting worse as the season progresses.

Welp 3 episodes to go and so lets see how this plays out.

WorldInverse said:
is it just me or this episode's animation quality is bad?

silverwalls said:

yhunata said:
As usual, MAL loves to hate. Me, I actually prefer the storyline of this season to last season's. Hell, I even love Mika (she does have her annoying moments, I'll give ya that). Have you ever put yourself in her shoes, with only the knowledge that she should have (i.e. not the knowledge we have from the first season), in her reality and then thought as to whether or not her methods are wrong and unusual? If you still think her methods are unusual and abnormal, you're either ignorant or unable to let go of the fact that their society is completely different from ours and as such, expecting them to act like one would in our society, you are (once again) ignorant. In fact, I remember Ginoza getting shit for doing what he was supposed to do last season (same shit Mika's doing, just a bit more toned down). Remember when he was ready to put the dogs on Kogami for "running away"? Yeah, he mellowed out, but when? Once he started to know Sibyl's true colors and how did he end up?

tl;dr : I like this season more than last one and y'all are hating way too much.

Tenko-san said:



Well, what should she do? Just shout: "Hey, the Sibyl System is nothing but brains of criminals?!" Nobody would believe her and she would be faster dead than that she could achieve anything.
To bring down this system she needs the trust of the system, more information about it (like weaknesses, etc...) and she needs to combine forces with some people. (...yeah, I know you'll say: she could have already started with that in S2 but well... that's what the film is for.=

And I think that the main problem is: even if you can bring down this system what comes after that? If you start a revolution, you'll also have to think of a complete new system which surpasses the old system. Because if you don't, there will be nothing but chaos. People are usually afraid or at least they are not really fond of changes. So if you don't present them a better alternative, the old system will be brought back at the end.
It's not like the Sibyl System is something complete bad. It's also something that reduces criminality, helps civilians to use their possibilities to their fullest (tells them which jobs they should do), etc...
The mentality of people of the Psycho Pass society is different from ours. A good example is one of Akane's friends (the one who was killed by Makishima in S1). She said that she didn't know what she should without Sybil System guiding her.
So, I doubt that these people would easily accept going back to a society like ours or so.

Haha, why are so many people shocked by the fact that Kamui is made of 184 parts?!
Actually, I think it's pretty amazing that they managed to combine 7 different brains into one which is also able to think and such... I mean, brains are so complicated that even scientists nowadays haven't found out how the brain manages to handle all the nerves, etc. without them interfering in each others work.



Well, but Akane also knows about their secret. I think that they are trying to use Mika just like they use Akane - as a role model - since they are inspectors and do pretty much what the system tells them. So if society finds out about the "real face" of Sibyl, they'll be able to use their role model to calm the society down.
But at the end I think that Mika won't be able to handle this "burden", which will probably lead to her death (or maybe she'll just become a criminal).

Darkdrone said:

tl;dr this shitty post.
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So you like to wank off to Mika, good job for you. How are we ignorant when we have cases of her idiocy for days on end? You are either neglecting to remember or completely forget she has been an inspector for more than 1.5 years. That is enough time and experience to cast off the rookie label and move to a more junior position.

Countless times in the season we see her questioning Akane for no reason other than she likes to bitch about someone or something, standing around not doing anything, being the most useless member in the group, getting scared over a phone call to the point she spills her drink and falls out of a chair, carelessly walking into Togane's room and going at his computer like an amateur, not taking responsibility for fucking up and yelling at Sho, asking the resignation of her superior even though her superior has excelled in damn near all her missions etc.

Comparing Ginoza to Mika is a stretch because we actually see something known as....what do you call it...oh character development. Mika has been a bitch, a coward and useless dead weight for damn near the entire season until the last episode. No development at all. While Ginoza changed and started to shift his thinking all throughout the season in a very smooth way. Even if we were to compare Ginoza being ruthless to the enforcers in season 1 like Mika is, he wasn't useless and a coward like Mika, so automatically he gets points on that end.

So what if you like this season more than the other, it still stands that the writing in this season has been terrible and the characters have been flat all around. People like to think people hate just to hate but people hate because the have expectations for something and it doesn't stand up to them. This season really is an embarrassment to the Psycho Pass name and I feel should be considered a spin-off and not a proper sequel.

Darkdrone said:
Ya the solution should be we all enjoy this season and shouldn't critque the inner workings of the plot. No no lets just hold hands and sing kumbaya that this season is amazing.

Rayzer said:

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There's no point of debating/shitposting/arguing on this matter. It's obvious there's a major development that would happen on her since she's already included in the cast of the Real Sequel to the Psycho-Pass Season 1. No matter how the hate this character get it won't change the fact that she was Alive on the Movie Sequel.

hassan0297 said:

Too long need to pu on a spoiler tag.
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Okay.So 8 episodes have passed.Investigation has come to an end and now it's time to catch Kamui but what really TICKS me off is that Where in the HELL is GINOZA?Forget Kougami for a second and explain it to me why the hell is being Ginoza being put to the side?Is this scriptwriter even awake?All we have seen is that Ginoza has only warned and advised Akane of her Psycho-Pass getting cloudy if she goes too deep.But what the hell?Is the writer seriously trying at all?Is he really trying to show that Ginoza is worried.If that IS his intention then for the love of God,let Ginoza do some badass investigation.Let him make assumptions and theories.It was stated by Urobuchi that Kogami and Ginoza are of the same level in detective skills but as Ginoza was an inspector,he was way too conscious of his Psycho-Pass along with conflicts with his father.That's why Kougami was the one coming up with most of the answers and was the star of the show but there's nothing that's stopping Ginoza now.Now is the perfect opportunity to redeem his character.He has the skills to do it.So why is he being put to the side?This is just bad.If Ginoza was given some attention this season,people might have forgotten Kougami for a second and be like :Holy Shit!Was this what Ginoza was capable of?" After all he was an Inspector and demoted to Enforcer.That doesn't mean that his detective skills have also gone down.This is really making me angry.He is supposed to be a senior not only of Akane's but of Mika's as well but still Mika has done a better job than him.And Akane has solved the maximum of case by herself.It's not like Akane's not capable of doing it but Ginoza should also have solved it together with her.Biggest blunder of this whole season:Ginoza.If the writer does not want to make use of him,then what's the point of him even being there? -_- The hell with this shit!

hassan0297 said:
what's the point of him (Ginoza) even being there? -_- The hell with this shit!

Darkdrone said:
Ya the solution should be we all enjoy this season and shouldn't critque the inner workings of the plot. No no lets just hold hands and sing kumbaya that this season is amazing.

Darkdrone said:

Countless times in the season we see her questioning Akane for no reason other than she likes to bitch about someone or something, standing around not doing anything, being the most useless member in the group, getting scared over a phone call to the point she spills her drink and falls out of a chair, carelessly walking into Togane's room and going at his computer like an amateur, not taking responsibility for fucking up and yelling at Sho, asking the resignation of her superior even though her superior has excelled in damn near all her missions etc.

AllTJAck said:


The mother is part of sybil's brain complex, thats wat tougane was refering to when he said mom, it was her mind occupying the robot at that moment.#

I'm having issue with how they are seeming to change sybil's characterisation cause it seems to be acting more selfishly and scheming alot more, and combine with the implication of societal control during the season in hell, its becoming more of a classic dystopian dictator system rather then the morally gray social management system of the first season

Gymkata said:
I find it ironic that Kamui (speaking through the doctor)--the same individual moved to tears at the thought of "freeing" Shisui-- was quick to defend an Orwellian surveillance system like Panopticon XD. Not exactly a replacement that's consistent with his presented goals or "ideals." Let's hope he has something better in mind, because otherwise I'd say he's confused.



Agreed. Ginoza is the only character that even moderately interests me, and he's been sidelined. There's so much they could have done with him. Maybe the butcher will bring him back in the movie.


It appears that's what most want here. Funny, because the most insightful and logical argument imo has been adduced by the titular "ignorant haters," many of which are diehard fans of the franchise and actually know what the fuck they're talking about...

ArdenFolgore said:

It's not as bad as one episode from S1 that I can't remember.

I facepalmed a lot when I was watching that one.