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Nov 18, 2014 2:05 PM
#1
I recently watched both Samurai Champloo and Sword Art Online, and while I enjoyed both I found that SAO was easier to watch more frequently. After watching these, as I thought of rating them, I asked myself this question. (Let's not make this a comparison between these shows. I realize that many of you would strangle me for putting these shows in the same realm) So what do you guys think? What makes an anime easier to watch? If an anime is easier to watch, does that mean it's better? EDIT: I ended up giving Champloo an 8, and SAO a 7 if anyone is wondering. |
madmonkey2704Nov 18, 2014 2:25 PM
Nov 18, 2014 2:06 PM
#2
Not necessarily. And the genre, atmosphere, etc determines how easy of a watch an anime is. |
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Nov 18, 2014 2:07 PM
#3
madmonkey2704 said: I recently watched both Samurai Champloo and Sword Art Online, and while I enjoyed both I found that SAO was easier to watch more frequently. After watching these, as I thought of rating them, I asked myself this question. (Let's not make this a comparison between these shows. I realize that many of you would strangle me for putting these shows in the same realm) So what do you guys think? What makes an anime easier to watch? If an anime is easier to watch, does that mean it's better? Lots of action and flair makes an anime easy to watch. Why easier? Because you don't have to read all the flashing subtitles to know they're going to punch each other. Another thing is a lack of annoyances and lots of color... But then again, we'd be going to the dark corners of the internet with that. Art. |
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Nov 18, 2014 2:09 PM
#4
Some anime are brainless and require no thought to watch. It doesn't necessarily mean they're better or worse, just doesn't require as much thought to comprehend what's actually going on. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:10 PM
#5
IntroverTurtle said: Not necessarily. And the genre, atmosphere, etc determines how easy of a watch an anime is. Off topic, what anime is that? The one in your sig/avatar. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:10 PM
#6
With anime is like anything. The best comparison can be reading a book. A meaningful book which only has 200 pages you can read for a week and remember every bit for the rest of your life, and an easy book with 1000 pages you can read in a day non stop caus it doesnt require you to think as much |
Nov 18, 2014 2:11 PM
#7
keragamming said: His set?IntroverTurtle said: Not necessarily. And the genre, atmosphere, etc determines how easy of a watch an anime is. Off topic, what anime is that? The one in your sig/avatar. adventure time |
Nov 18, 2014 2:12 PM
#9
Nov 18, 2014 2:13 PM
#10
No, it just mean you have to watch in a different pace to enjoy properly. You could watch 1 episode a week, but still give it a 10/10. Or you could watch everything in one day, but still give it a 1/10. I think the pace you take to watch or read something doesn't say anything about the overall quality. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:15 PM
#11
Interesting question, especially for all those 'Only enjoyment, quality is an illusion' people out there. Personally I think that shows that have more depth or more complex contents are harder to watch because they require full concentration to be appreciated, so I'm not always in the mood for them. But when I am ready to immerse myself the enjoyment of the good shows of that kind is usually more well-rounded and more satisfying than the easy-to-watch shows. But the easy-to-watch shows always work even when I'm tired or distracted so they also have their advantage. And of course being easy to watch doesn't mean they are immune to fluctuations in quality which in turn influence the enjoyment. |
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Nov 18, 2014 2:15 PM
#12
Kolnikov said: ^that; there is good and bad in both easy-to-watch and hard-to-watch category (or light and heavy how i like to call them)No, it just mean you have to watch in a different pace to enjoy properly. You could watch 1 episode a week, but still give it a 10/10. Or you could watch everything in one day, but still give it a 1/10. I think the pace you take to watch or read something doesn't say anything about the overall quality. plus that an anime from a category you are not familiar with might seem slower/harder to watch because it's a new experience this is especially true for those one-of-a-kind shows like (i imagine) samurai champloo is |
Nov 18, 2014 2:17 PM
#14
Nisx said: Why did u find SAO easier to watch? plot was easier to understand for you?, character was more likeable..... I would say it was the concept. I feel like it's a dream that a lot of people have to be in a video game, and maybe that is why it was easier for me to watch. I ended up giving SAO a 7 and Champloo an 8 btw. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:17 PM
#15
Well yes, if it's easier to watch then it's better. It means you enjoy it more. |
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Nov 18, 2014 2:20 PM
#16
If it's easily comprehensible, it's easier to watch 3-4 episodes in a row.. However that doesn't mean it's in anyway better! If the plot is deep and complicated and the overall depiction of the story is filled with lots of symbolics and metaphors, then it takes more time and effort to watch. |
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Nov 18, 2014 2:21 PM
#17
easier to watch = easier to understand = more popular |
Nov 18, 2014 2:24 PM
#18
What do you mean easier to watch? I found Neon Genesis Evangelion easy to watch and yet I didn't like it much. yet the end of Evangelion was far more crazy and I liked it more. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:25 PM
#19
j0x said: You make it sound like that's a bad thing? I'd say it goes like this:easier to watch = easier to understand = more popular Easy to understand plot = More room for eyecandy and comedy = Easier to watch = More popular |
Nov 18, 2014 2:25 PM
#20
shuryukan said: keragamming said: His set?IntroverTurtle said: Not necessarily. And the genre, atmosphere, etc determines how easy of a watch an anime is. Off topic, what anime is that? The one in your sig/avatar. adventure time And it's not an anime. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:27 PM
#21
It does matter a lot to me. I rated Nisekoi a 6 just because it was so fucking easy and cool to watch it, I watched it in 4 days with a busy schedule. It's not worth a 6 for sure but still I couldn't give it anything lower just because of easiness of watching. saifmohammed said: Not really. Mushishi was kind of hard to watch, I couldn't really watch more than 2 episodes at a time. It was the kind of thing that I would watch after a long day or something, I couldn't marathon it. But it was still really darn good regardless of the fact that it wasn't as easy to watch as some other anime. SoL anime are not supposed to be marathoned. It took me a month too watch all Mushishi and almost to 2 months for Aria but I loved both. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:29 PM
#22
sullynathan said: What do you mean easier to watch? I found Neon Genesis Evangelion easy to watch and yet I didn't like it much. yet the end of Evangelion was far more crazy and I liked it more. By easier to watch, I mean I watched 14 episodes of SAO without feeling like I needed a break. For Champloo, I watched about 4 episodes a day. I am not really sure what caused this, because looking back, I feel like Champloo was better quality. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:33 PM
#23
madmonkey2704 said: sullynathan said: What do you mean easier to watch? I found Neon Genesis Evangelion easy to watch and yet I didn't like it much. yet the end of Evangelion was far more crazy and I liked it more. By easier to watch, I mean I watched 14 episodes of SAO without feeling like I needed a break. For Champloo, I watched about 4 episodes a day. I am not really sure what caused this, because looking back, I feel like Champloo was better quality. Well, as I said, quality usually requires you to pay attention and concentrate to recognize and appreciate said quality, while easy-to-watch time-killing series could also be enjoyed half asleep or with fluctuating concentration. On the other hand that also means your level of concentration will also influence the potential quality you see in a show so it's a double-edged sword. I don't think you missed anything with SAO though. |
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Nov 18, 2014 2:34 PM
#24
madmonkey2704 said: sullynathan said: What do you mean easier to watch? I found Neon Genesis Evangelion easy to watch and yet I didn't like it much. yet the end of Evangelion was far more crazy and I liked it more. By easier to watch, I mean I watched 14 episodes of SAO without feeling like I needed a break. For Champloo, I watched about 4 episodes a day. I am not really sure what caused this, because looking back, I feel like Champloo was better quality. It might be because Samurai Champloo is episodic, while Sword Art Online has an overarching plot. Anime with overarching plots make people want to know what happens next, so they tend to watch the next episode straight away (if it has aired). |
Nov 18, 2014 2:35 PM
#25
If a show is easy to watch that means I'm enjoying it a lot. If a show is hard to watch it means I don't like it because its boring. IMO |
Nov 18, 2014 2:37 PM
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Nov 18, 2014 2:46 PM
#27
OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! |
Nov 18, 2014 2:53 PM
#28
madmonkey2704 said: sullynathan said: What do you mean easier to watch? I found Neon Genesis Evangelion easy to watch and yet I didn't like it much. yet the end of Evangelion was far more crazy and I liked it more. By easier to watch, I mean I watched 14 episodes of SAO without feeling like I needed a break. For Champloo, I watched about 4 episodes a day. I am not really sure what caused this, because looking back, I feel like Champloo was better quality. maybe it's because champloo is a lesser form of cowboy Bebop and some of the episodes can get quite boring too. Each episode of champloo leaves the user wanting more but it never gives it to them, that's probably why you couldn't marathon it properly. I fell asleep watching it and almost dropped it. Sao is pretty lighthearted and easy and since it has an overarching plot, you want to see what's next. |
Nov 18, 2014 2:56 PM
#29
No but unnecessarily complicated shows can drop a rating for me, or when a show tries too hard to be intellectual. I enjoy a show in the middle typically, not too simple or too confusing/open ended |
Nov 18, 2014 2:56 PM
#30
madmonkey2704 said: So what do you guys think? What makes an anime easier to watch? If an anime is easier to watch, does that mean it's better? I't means you've enjoyed it more and that it probably fits your tastes better. |
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Nov 18, 2014 3:05 PM
#31
I'd say a show that's easier to watch can sometimes be worse than a show that is harder to watch. For example, Shingeki was easy to watch for me because the episodes were designed to be this way. An action-packed show will have cliffhangers to ensure that the audience will come back every episode. Lain was harder to watch because I had to really think about what was being shown instead of blazing through the series. |
Nov 18, 2014 3:07 PM
#32
xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. |
Nov 18, 2014 3:08 PM
#33
Not really. Sometimes you just need a break from shows that are slower or have less action, but that doesn't mean they're worse than the show you can marathon quickly. It all depends on a variety of factors, and I wouldn't suggest using ease of watching as your main influence when rating. |
Nov 18, 2014 3:19 PM
#34
madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. |
Nov 18, 2014 3:24 PM
#35
Nope. SAO is also very easy to watch. High School of the Dead was very easy to watch as well. But shows I consider better were harder to get into. |
Nov 18, 2014 3:25 PM
#36
xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. Good luck trying to make up a topic that can't be attacked with that line of arguing. 'New thoughts' are incredibly hard to come by so if that is the requirement for a legal thread on MAL the site might as well shut down. |
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Nov 18, 2014 3:27 PM
#37
Of course not. an anime can be more enjoyable but written worse than another anime. enjoyment isn't the standard here. |
Nov 18, 2014 3:30 PM
#38
Higashi_no_Kaze said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. Good luck trying to make up a topic that can't be attacked with that line of arguing. 'New thoughts' are incredibly hard to come by so if that is the requirement for a legal thread on MAL the site might as well shut down. Oh really? Then if we're supporting this kind of "logic", why are "sub vs. dub", "hey guys which is better: psychological or romance?" or even "why is moe so boring" locked and pruned? Something being "easier" to watch is deeply related to YOUR personal feelings, and I find it extremely hard to someone change his mind (something a discussion aims) with others saying the opposite. But no worries, this will get to page 10 with no moderation, and if someone gets a warning here, it will be me :) |
Nov 18, 2014 4:00 PM
#39
xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision OR TO EXCHANGE IDEAS. If you break down almost everything on this thread, it is all subjective. "Opinions cannot be debated"... I hope you are trolling. Politics are one of the most debated topics, and it is all based on opinion. |
Nov 18, 2014 4:07 PM
#40
xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. And if you want to use definitions, then here's one for you. de·bate noun a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something |
madmonkey2704Nov 18, 2014 4:50 PM
Nov 18, 2014 4:13 PM
#41
easier to watch u say? what's that? So you telling me that keeping my hand on the pause button, playing and pausing in instant moments consequently in each episode of Monogatari series make it not easy to watch? |
Nov 18, 2014 4:23 PM
#42
7starkiller99 said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. And if you want to be a smart-ass using definitions, then here's one for you. de·bate noun a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something I think it's an argument now. ar·gu·ment ˈärɡyəmənt/ noun 1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. lol true. maybe i went overboard. |
Nov 18, 2014 4:32 PM
#43
7starkiller99 said: madmonkey2704 said: 7starkiller99 said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. And if you want to be a smart-ass using definitions, then here's one for you. de·bate noun a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something I think it's an argument now. ar·gu·ment ˈärɡyəmənt/ noun 1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. lol true. maybe i went overboard. I think it's just that your profile photo makes you seem upset along with your name having mad and monkey in it. L makes me look mad 0.o haha madmonkey is just something I made as a child so its easy to remember. Anyways I don't want to continue being off topic, I just don't like people trying to be smart when they can be silent. |
Nov 18, 2014 4:33 PM
#44
madmonkey2704 said: 7starkiller99 said: madmonkey2704 said: 7starkiller99 said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. And if you want to be a smart-ass using definitions, then here's one for you. de·bate noun a discussion between people in which they express different opinions about something I think it's an argument now. ar·gu·ment ˈärɡyəmənt/ noun 1. an exchange of diverging or opposite views, typically a heated or angry one. lol true. maybe i went overboard. I think it's just that your profile photo makes you seem upset along with your name having mad and monkey in it. L makes me look mad 0.o haha madmonkey is just something I made as a child so its easy to remember. Anyways I don't want to continue being off topic, I just don't like people trying to be smart when they can be silent. xD but then who would speak in the MAL threads? + no worries I delete my off-topic posts when they are no longer needed. |
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Nov 18, 2014 4:36 PM
#45
Nov 18, 2014 5:30 PM
#46
xbobx said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. Good luck trying to make up a topic that can't be attacked with that line of arguing. 'New thoughts' are incredibly hard to come by so if that is the requirement for a legal thread on MAL the site might as well shut down. Oh really? Then if we're supporting this kind of "logic", why are "sub vs. dub", "hey guys which is better: psychological or romance?" or even "why is moe so boring" locked and pruned? Something being "easier" to watch is deeply related to YOUR personal feelings, and I find it extremely hard to someone change his mind (something a discussion aims) with others saying the opposite. But no worries, this will get to page 10 with no moderation, and if someone gets a warning here, it will be me :) Your mistake lies with expecting any kind of logic, coherent moderation in here. It's kinda random which threads get closed and when so you'll never find any sort of satisfying explanation. The rules are still to be interpreted case by case after all and if I wanted I could argue that basically none of the threads encourage discussion. But I don't see that as a problem, since you generally can't encourage discussion in people who aren't already interested in a discussion. People either enter a thread to shitpost, or to earnestly post their thoughts about the matter. But that's another matter. My point is that I could also argue that basically any thread can harbor an interesting discussion. In the end it depends on how you approach the topic. I also don't think that what you describes is the limit of what can be a discussion. Nobody every changes their mind, or only rarely. I'm already happy when I understand the other person and vice versa. Discussions are a form of communication for me, not a way of being a missionary. And I'm still not sure what kind of AD topics that are completely unrelated to an individuals personal feelings you could come up with. Can you give examples? Personally I think I can relate most topics I can think of back to some sort of individual experience/subjectivity, but then again I don't think it's a problem for a healthy discussion so maybe some examples will make me understand better what you mean. Now let's take a look at what kind of interesting directions the discussion could go to in this thread, depending on what you take from the OP: 1. Not caring about what is easy to watch for an individual, but simply asking if the shows you find easier to watch are shows you'd call better/more enjoyable than others because of that reason? Why? I'm sure there are divergent viewpoint on this and you don't even need to talk about which shows one considers easy to watch or not. 2. Trying to find a consensus on what makes an anime easier to watch. Maybe there's a pattern in what different people consider easy to watch, and if there is what aspects of those shows make them easy to watch? This way even if people find contradicting shows easy to watch it's not a problem since the goal was to elaborate on the common elements and not what makes them different. Finding patterns in the sea of subjectivity that is humanity, is one of the most fun reasons for discussions. 3. Why does things always have to be 'better' than other things? Can't they just both be good and enjoyable, but different from each other while resisting the human urge to classify and rank everything? Aren't categories like good/bad/better/worse completely meaningless since they are simply constructs of the human mind, meant to simplify and diverge from reality? Try changing people's minds on concepts like these if you're looking for a challenge and can't discuss without aiming to change someone's opinion. It's definitely relevant to the topic since it makes use of these categories. The bottom line is that I honestly think thread title/topic has about 5% influence on the content of the post as long as it's not a blatant listing thread or simple spam while 95% is the attitude of each individual user so I find the concept of judging a thread by how much the OP 'encourages discussion' very outdated and often unfair (cutting interesting and intense debates short just because they happened to develop in a listing thread is not a rarity). I think people who can't think interesting thoughts without clear guidance from a 'legit' thread title probably don't have that much to contribute anyway. |
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Nov 18, 2014 5:46 PM
#47
Higashi_no_Kaze said: xbobx said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. Good luck trying to make up a topic that can't be attacked with that line of arguing. 'New thoughts' are incredibly hard to come by so if that is the requirement for a legal thread on MAL the site might as well shut down. Oh really? Then if we're supporting this kind of "logic", why are "sub vs. dub", "hey guys which is better: psychological or romance?" or even "why is moe so boring" locked and pruned? Something being "easier" to watch is deeply related to YOUR personal feelings, and I find it extremely hard to someone change his mind (something a discussion aims) with others saying the opposite. But no worries, this will get to page 10 with no moderation, and if someone gets a warning here, it will be me :) Your mistake lies with expecting any kind of logic, coherent moderation in here. It's kinda random which threads get closed and when so you'll never find any sort of satisfying explanation. The rules are still to be interpreted case by case after all and if I wanted I could argue that basically none of the threads encourage discussion. But I don't see that as a problem, since you generally can't encourage discussion in people who aren't already interested in a discussion. People either enter a thread to shitpost, or to earnestly post their thoughts about the matter. But that's another matter. My point is that I could also argue that basically any thread can harbor an interesting discussion. In the end it depends on how you approach the topic. I also don't think that what you describes is the limit of what can be a discussion. Nobody every changes their mind, or only rarely. I'm already happy when I understand the other person and vice versa. Discussions are a form of communication for me, not a way of being a missionary. And I'm still not sure what kind of AD topics that are completely unrelated to an individuals personal feelings you could come up with. Can you give examples? Personally I think I can relate most topics I can think of back to some sort of individual experience/subjectivity, but then again I don't think it's a problem for a healthy discussion so maybe some examples will make me understand better what you mean. Now let's take a look at what kind of interesting directions the discussion could go to in this thread, depending on what you take from the OP: 1. Not caring about what is easy to watch for an individual, but simply asking if the shows you find easier to watch are shows you'd call better/more enjoyable than others because of that reason? Why? I'm sure there are divergent viewpoint on this and you don't even need to talk about which shows one considers easy to watch or not. 2. Trying to find a consensus on what makes an anime easier to watch. Maybe there's a pattern in what different people consider easy to watch, and if there is what aspects of those shows make them easy to watch? This way even if people find contradicting shows easy to watch it's not a problem since the goal was to elaborate on the common elements and not what makes them different. Finding patterns in the sea of subjectivity that is humanity, is one of the most fun reasons for discussions. 3. Why does things always have to be 'better' than other things? Can't they just both be good and enjoyable, but different from each other while resisting the human urge to classify and rank everything? Aren't categories like good/bad/better/worse completely meaningless since they are simply constructs of the human mind, meant to simplify and diverge from reality? Try changing people's minds on concepts like these if you're looking for a challenge and can't discuss without aiming to change someone's opinion. It's definitely relevant to the topic since it makes use of these categories. The bottom line is that I honestly think thread title/topic has about 5% influence on the content of the post as long as it's not a blatant listing thread or simple spam while 95% is the attitude of each individual user so I find the concept of judging a thread by how much the OP 'encourages discussion' very outdated and often unfair (cutting interesting and intense debates short just because they happened to develop in a listing thread is not a rarity). I think people who can't think interesting thoughts without clear guidance from a 'legit' thread title probably don't have that much to contribute anyway. Td, Dr: Framing effect occurs, people who aren't creative don't have much to add, and the mods act as they please. Fun. |
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Nov 18, 2014 5:53 PM
#48
Depends on the person. |
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Nov 18, 2014 6:16 PM
#49
7starkiller99 said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: xbobx said: Higashi_no_Kaze said: xbobx said: madmonkey2704 said: xbobx said: OH YEAH! Let's us discuss something extremely personal and deeply related to subjective tastes and affinities. Great job, OP! Just because something is something is subjective, does not mean it can't be discussed smart guy. sub·jec·tive adjective 1. based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions. synonyms: personal, individual, emotional, instinctive, intuitive dis·cus·sion noun the action or process of talking about something, typically in order to reach a decision or to exchange ideas. Opinions cannot be debated, only shared. OP is asking for something personal, and from the forum guidelines, threads that are limited to an individual's experience and are unlikely to promote new thought or ideas are useless and shouldn't be posted. Good luck trying to make up a topic that can't be attacked with that line of arguing. 'New thoughts' are incredibly hard to come by so if that is the requirement for a legal thread on MAL the site might as well shut down. Oh really? Then if we're supporting this kind of "logic", why are "sub vs. dub", "hey guys which is better: psychological or romance?" or even "why is moe so boring" locked and pruned? Something being "easier" to watch is deeply related to YOUR personal feelings, and I find it extremely hard to someone change his mind (something a discussion aims) with others saying the opposite. But no worries, this will get to page 10 with no moderation, and if someone gets a warning here, it will be me :) Your mistake lies with expecting any kind of logic, coherent moderation in here. It's kinda random which threads get closed and when so you'll never find any sort of satisfying explanation. The rules are still to be interpreted case by case after all and if I wanted I could argue that basically none of the threads encourage discussion. But I don't see that as a problem, since you generally can't encourage discussion in people who aren't already interested in a discussion. People either enter a thread to shitpost, or to earnestly post their thoughts about the matter. But that's another matter. My point is that I could also argue that basically any thread can harbor an interesting discussion. In the end it depends on how you approach the topic. I also don't think that what you describes is the limit of what can be a discussion. Nobody every changes their mind, or only rarely. I'm already happy when I understand the other person and vice versa. Discussions are a form of communication for me, not a way of being a missionary. And I'm still not sure what kind of AD topics that are completely unrelated to an individuals personal feelings you could come up with. Can you give examples? Personally I think I can relate most topics I can think of back to some sort of individual experience/subjectivity, but then again I don't think it's a problem for a healthy discussion so maybe some examples will make me understand better what you mean. Now let's take a look at what kind of interesting directions the discussion could go to in this thread, depending on what you take from the OP: 1. Not caring about what is easy to watch for an individual, but simply asking if the shows you find easier to watch are shows you'd call better/more enjoyable than others because of that reason? Why? I'm sure there are divergent viewpoint on this and you don't even need to talk about which shows one considers easy to watch or not. 2. Trying to find a consensus on what makes an anime easier to watch. Maybe there's a pattern in what different people consider easy to watch, and if there is what aspects of those shows make them easy to watch? This way even if people find contradicting shows easy to watch it's not a problem since the goal was to elaborate on the common elements and not what makes them different. Finding patterns in the sea of subjectivity that is humanity, is one of the most fun reasons for discussions. 3. Why does things always have to be 'better' than other things? Can't they just both be good and enjoyable, but different from each other while resisting the human urge to classify and rank everything? Aren't categories like good/bad/better/worse completely meaningless since they are simply constructs of the human mind, meant to simplify and diverge from reality? Try changing people's minds on concepts like these if you're looking for a challenge and can't discuss without aiming to change someone's opinion. It's definitely relevant to the topic since it makes use of these categories. The bottom line is that I honestly think thread title/topic has about 5% influence on the content of the post as long as it's not a blatant listing thread or simple spam while 95% is the attitude of each individual user so I find the concept of judging a thread by how much the OP 'encourages discussion' very outdated and often unfair (cutting interesting and intense debates short just because they happened to develop in a listing thread is not a rarity). I think people who can't think interesting thoughts without clear guidance from a 'legit' thread title probably don't have that much to contribute anyway. Td, Dr: Framing effect occurs, people who aren't creative don't have much to add, and the mods act as they please. Fun. I don't think the mods act as they please, they just only act when someone calls them, and even then it often takes hours, at which point the thread might already be dead or developed into an interesting discussion. In both cases the mod wouldn't be needed any more. I think that's one of the biggest issues I have with the modding. When it doesn't happen within 30 minutes of the report, it's often too late or already not needed/wanted anymore and it ends up creating completely useless work since the time when it was an issue (or the pages where there was an issue) is already over. The problem is solved, the crisis is over, but the report is still in the queue and a mod will probably end up going through the whole thread for little to no reason. And it can also make a difference who reports a thread and how they do it (some users have befriended mods in irc from what I heard for example). The system is way too lax to make anyone afraid of any rules regarding Thread creation or discussion manners, but they are still active enough to have a visible influence on how the forum landscape looks and I find that kind of annoying since their presence is so subtle but their influence is so strong. Sometimes I think that AD would be better off without any modding at all, just letting the shit threads die on their own accord. I generally believe that only insults and discrimination as well as spambots are worth the intervention of mods, but I know that's never gonna happen :/ |
I probably regret this post by now. |
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