AnarchicSloth said: RedRoseFring said: Indirect > Direct.But neither is it relying on anyone else, and she was the one that birthed it. It just looks like a long-winded way to absolve her of responsibility. I see. Only if murder is indirect though planned is it okay. so women have right to indirect kill her own baby? seems right, I can agree with that. (no I m not sarcastic) |
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AnarchicSloth said: RedRoseFring said: Care to explain how?I see. This sort of crap will kill the planet faster than climate change ever could. If you don't already know, it is already too late. |
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AnarchicSloth said: RedRoseFring said: I don't see how it could kill the planet. It could disturb how societies perform but other than that... :/If you don't already know, it is already too late. Also I don't really think indirect is exactly acceptable, it just seems more fair to the victim because there's still a chance to be saved. For example, if the baby is ditched, some other people may find it and take care of it. If the mother just directly killed it, it's dead. It would cause mother Earth to spit us out and have new children that would give her chocolate for Mother's day. Seriously though, I was joking. |
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| No she don't have such right. She only have duty to take care of her baby. And I hope world will stay this way and this will never be considered as moral right. |
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Korrvo said: It's like what my mother always used to tell me: "I brought you into this world, and I can take you right back out of it." Wow, thats cruel... |
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| Yeah I think once a woman gives birth to a baby, I don't think they have the right to end its life. At that point I feel like its something close to murder there. If she really doesn't want the kid, she can always give him/her to someone else and let the baby have a chance at life at least. (well lets say this is a perfectly healthy baby, babies with serious genetic defects when born might be a whole nother issue). You people saying the baby is in debt to the mother and she has the right to end its life...hmm. would you keep applying that thinking later in life too? I mean at what point does someone become enough of an individual that you think the mother no longer has a right to end the child's life? |
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Korrvo said: It's like what my mother always used to tell me: "I brought you into this world, and I can take you right back out of it." My mother always told me that she wished I'd never been born. She stopped saying that though when I grew older and told her that if that's what she wished, she should've stopped being a slut and used birth control or a condom. |
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midnightblade said: I mean at what point does someone become enough of an individual that you think the mother no longer has a right to end the child's life? at at least 18 years old. or untill it gets job and starts to live on its own.. |
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GreyKitty said: Really? Seemed like pretty normal stuff to me.Korrvo said: It's like what my mother always used to tell me: "I brought you into this world, and I can take you right back out of it." Wow, thats cruel... |
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Siscon2000 said: If she is the one who created that life then she might have a right to destroy it as well I stopped reading there, I can't take you seriously if you write a retarded sentence like that. First off she's not the only one who created that life, you need two persons to do it. And unless it's raping, the choice is not only hers, but the father's too. |
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Jaguer91 said: And unless it's raping, the choice is not only hers, but the father's too. That's ideally how it should work, but if the father doesn't want it and the mother does well... too fucking bad for dad. |
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DerpHole said: Jaguer91 said: And unless it's raping, the choice is not only hers, but the father's too. That's ideally how it should work, but if the father doesn't want it and the mother does well... too fucking bad for dad. That's my point, as long as one side wants it, they must keep it. Life > Death obviously. |
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Jaguer91 said: DerpHole said: That's ideally how it should work, but if the father doesn't want it and the mother does well... too fucking bad for dad. That's my point, as long as one side wants it, they must keep it. Life > Death obviously. So if the father wants it, but the mother doesn't she must go through with her pregnancy? I don't see that happening. |
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DerpHole said: Jaguer91 said: That's my point, as long as one side wants it, they must keep it. Life > Death obviously. So if the father wants it, but the mother doesn't she must go through with her pregnancy? I don't see that happening. Yes, they were both aware of what they were doing, they were fucking so if she got pregnant and the father wants the baby, she must keep it. It makes sense itself, you're the idiot who got pregnant so deal with it. The point in killing your baby by abort it is that nobody wants that kid and is not willing to take care of it, but the fact that the father wants it and he has rights over that child, makes the whole situation different. Why would someone give up on his own child? That doesn't make sense at all. |
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cabacc2 said: Jaguer91 said: what makes you say that?Life > Death obviously. explain Logic. |
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Jaguer91 said: Your point is weak. So if both the mother and the father wants to destroy the child, then you should accept that decision. This is like randomly swatting at a haystack, and I doubt it's the conclusion you want to arrive at.Siscon2000 said: I stopped reading there, I can't take you seriously if you write a retarded sentence like that. First off she's not the only one who created that life, you need two persons to do it. And unless it's raping, the choice is not only hers, but the father's too.If she is the one who created that life then she might have a right to destroy it as well |
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Jaguer91 said: Siscon2000 said: If she is the one who created that life then she might have a right to destroy it as well I stopped reading there, I can't take you seriously if you write a retarded sentence like that. First off she's not the only one who created that life, you need two persons to do it. And unless it's raping, the choice is not only hers, but the father's too. since when? since when anyone asks mens opinion before abortion? womens body - womens right. your body or gtfo. if men wants any rights to a children then he must become pregnant himself. |
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| What the fuck. So you're saying that if I were to have a child and as soon as they were handed to me I decided I didn't actually want it, I should have the right to kill it right then and there? Seriously? Fucking no. First of all, what kind of mother would do something like that to her own baby in the first place? She'd have to be mentally unstable. Secondly, it was her choice (unless she was raped) to have sex and conceive the baby in the first place, and then she choose to keep it and give birth to them. The baby itself did not choose to be conceived. So why should they have to pay the price? |
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cabacc2 said: I find that quite often I read your posts and think... "There's no way this guy is that young"Siscon2000 said: following that logic, your mother could kill you anytime. Even when you are an adult. She gave you life, so she can take it away again.If she is the one who created that life then she might have a right to destroy it as well. there are multiple problems with this. 1. Your mother didnt "give you life", she didnt create life. You make it sound like its a conscious process, which is just wrong. 2. Your proposition, that she "owns" life because she created it, presupposes, that you can treat life (an abstract concept), exactly like simple material goods. 3. Even our laws concerning material goods are far from being absolute 4. If I was to accept your premise, we'd still have to consider the role of the father and then, in addition to that, there is the role of the baby as well. I dont know if you ignore that factor on purpose, and I dont really care either. In the end, rights arent something you "have" per se. Rights get assigned to you. Thats all there is to it. If you want to argue about whether women should have the right to kill their babies, you should try to justify that right. List advantages and disadvantages for the woman, the baby, every other involved person, society as whole, future generations, economy etc. etc. then you can come to a final conclusion. "Under the premise that we want our rights to achieve the best possible outcome for society, the mother should/should not have the right to kill her baby, because.... (listed reasons)" it should be pretty obvious in this case. |
cabacc2 said: You cannot deny the mans role in "creating" life. After all, he provides a part of the resources, that are needed to "produce" a baby. mans part in this job - 1% womens part in this job - 99% YumeKagami said: Well I believe it's mainly because a child is a living being. Let's look at it in another perspective. If you create a product or service than you are able to discontinue or "destroy" that product or service since you created it. But that is different from a mother killing her own children. I believe every life has an inherent value and potential. And if by chance a mother killed her own child she is killing a part of herself and eliminating that potential. So I suppose that's the long and short of it. you sound like you never heard about abortions either. every life has potential, that's truth. but not every women decides to sacrifice her body, moneys and resources for every possible potential. I mean whenever I discarding used condoms (I m using them with my sister) I destroying millions if not billions potential lifes, potential human beings! all that stuff.. its a potential humans that are discarded into trash everyday. but its not like you can collect all my used condoms and freeze them for future use for every potential to become an actual life form. I mean world is cruel so deal with it. |
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YumeKitsune said: What the fuck. So you're saying that if I were to have a child and as soon as they were handed to me I decided I didn't actually want it, I should have the right to kill it right then and there? Seriously? yes, seriously. YumeKitsune said: First of all, what kind of mother would do something like that to her own baby in the first place? She'd have to be mentally unstable. we are not talking about "what kind of mother would do that" stuff, we are talking about her right to decide if she wants to do it or not. we are talking about womens rights here not what decisions would they theorically make. YumeKitsune said: The baby itself did not choose to be conceived. So why should they have to pay the price? thats the problem. "it" dont pay any price for womens suffering, thats why women (should) have right to cancel it at any time. if they would pay for bringing them into this world then it would be different story. |
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| Sisicon, if your mother decided she didn't like you anymore, would you object to her murdering you? |
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YumeKitsune said: Sisicon, if your mother decided she didn't like you anymore, would you object to her murdering you? but I m already independant from her in almost every way, so its technically a but too late I guess. but yes. if she wants to kill me I m more or less fine with it. but THANKS GADS she don't want to kill me for whatever reason. I m lucky bastard I guess... |
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| Why not. The newborn wouldn't be aware enough to care anyway. This is an unlikely scenario though, because if the Mother really didn't want her child, she would have gotten rid of it before it was born. |
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YumeKagami said: Although a child may belong to the mother they also belong to the father as well. Siscon2000 said: mans part in this job - 1% womens part in this job - 99% |
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Siscon2000 said: You consider yourself a lucky bastard because your mother didn't decide to kill you?YumeKitsune said: Sisicon, if your mother decided she didn't like you anymore, would you object to her murdering you? but I m already independant from her in almost every way, so its technically a but too late I guess. but yes. if she wants to kill me I m more or less fine with it. but THANKS GADS she don't want to kill me for whatever reason. I m lucky bastard I guess... |
YumeKagami said: I suppose it's also because we as humans are not wholly independent. We are connected to each other even if we live across the world. When something happens in one country, or to one person, we pay attention and learn about how it affects us and those we care about. YEAH RIGHT IT DOESNT AFFECT ME |
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cabacc2 said: Siscon2000 said: 50% of the choice - 50% of the choicemans part in this job - 1% womens part in this job - 99% In addition to that, we also have an emotional attachment on both the father- and motherside, which also isnt an insignificant factor. We are talking about what is morally wrong and right here after all. Right? Besides, the "actual" job, what your original argument is also based on, follows after childbirth. Killing the infant to avoid negative consequences after childbirth (financially, emotional, psychological, physical..). Here, the roles and percentages are completely open again. The relation of work required during pregnancy doesnt justify to exclude the man completely (due to the reasons I mentioned). sounds like: "I m giving you this one brick. and you building the whole house. and 50% of that house gonna be mine as well". |
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Siscon2000 said: we are not talking about "what kind of mother would do that" stuff, we are talking about her right to decide if she wants to do it or not. we are talking about womens rights here not what decisions would they theorically make. Even so, if a mother chooses to murder her new born child then there is something wrong with her. Instead of killing them why not consider putting them up for adoption? Murder is murder. Killing an innocent new born baby is just the worst. Siscon2000 said: thats the problem. "it" dont pay any price for womens suffering, thats why women (should) have right to cancel it at any time. if they would pay for bringing them into this world then it would be different story. A baby is a human being, not an "it." They still did not choose to be born. The women chose to give birth to them. It was in no way their choice, so why should they have to pay a price at all? Bringing the father factor into the question, he should have a right to the baby himself. If this were "a guy got the women pregnant and left her to raise the child alone" senerio, it would be something like "the father helped make the child, so he should help take care of it." Though why in this case is it that the father has no rights to the baby at all? |
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sargos7 said: But why the fuck should anyone ever have the right to kill an innocent baby? because its their property? sargos7 said: Why is it different from an abortion? Because after birth, a baby is no longer dependent on it's mother. lie |
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Siscon2000 said: YumeKitsune said: Sisicon, if your mother decided she didn't like you anymore, would you object to her murdering you? but I m already independant from her in almost every way, so its technically a but too late I guess. but yes. if she wants to kill me I m more or less fine with it. but THANKS GADS she don't want to kill me for whatever reason. I m lucky bastard I guess... Liar. If a crazy bitch came at you with a knife I doubt you would just stand there and let her chop your fucking head off. ^^ |
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YumeKitsune said: Siscon2000 said: but I m already independant from her in almost every way, so its technically a but too late I guess. but yes. if she wants to kill me I m more or less fine with it. but THANKS GADS she don't want to kill me for whatever reason. I m lucky bastard I guess... Liar. If a crazy bitch came at you with a knife I doubt you would just stand there and let her chop your fucking head off. ^^ well just my mom happened to be not a crazy bitch. I m a lucky bastard... also I have beautiful sister so I m very lucky bastard.. well sorry its offtopic. but I m not liar. if laws would let my mother to kill me I wouldn't be able to defend myself. It would be the same as death penalty when you are tied and cannot resist. |
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