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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This episode together with the last is one of the best episodes of One Piece so far, it was freaking awesome. The world government has shown its true colours before, but now it shows its true nature. As for Luffy... I'm starting to think there's something more to that Monkey D. Luffy. The giant from Robin past had that D. in his name as well. |
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| Even though I know its the voice actor, Lucci really sounded like Sagara Sousuke from FMP in this episode. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| Rob Lucci has some really twisted justice there... 5/5 |
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| Damn another awesome episode. We get to have some insight on lucci's past and his "dark" justice. I didn't see that coming. The true nature of the world government is just so extreme. What is there purpose for killing innocent people, i don't get it. What the hell did they do wrong. Weakness is a sin?? Oh man the world government are true monsters. Can't believe Rob lucci was actually that strong at just the age of 13. |
ArtimesGamerDec 21, 2010 4:06 AM
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| Rob Lucci has one troubled childhood! LOL! :-D |
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| Totally wasn't expecting Lucci to kill all those soldier OR that Vice Admiral to just shoot one of his men. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| It's kind of ironic how they picture the World Government to be just a bunch of overpowered bullies. |
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| Some fucked up justice right thurr |
| Gov't is pretty messed up.. |
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| So little deaths in One Piece so far and now a ton of death in a single episode! Hard hitting stuff! But what I don't get... is if they're willing to kill their own just to get Luffy, why not blow up the bridge and kill Robin too? |
| oh man, lucci's past is really scary. he literally has no mercy for anyone. the government knows that so theyre going ahead and shooting at the ship that luffy's on! and a mermaid in the next episode? hmm what a twist... |
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GodotCoffee said: So little deaths in One Piece so far and now a ton of death in a single episode! Hard hitting stuff! But what I don't get... is if they're willing to kill their own just to get Luffy, why not blow up the bridge and kill Robin too? because they don't want to kill robin. they still have one of the blueprints and they need her to translate it so they can't afford to kill her right now. |
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Anitnelav said: Even though I know its the voice actor, Lucci really sounded like Sagara Sousuke from FMP in this episode. yep, its Tomokazu Seki.. voice actor in both FMP and One Piece |
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insan3Spectre said: Totally wasn't expecting Lucci to kill all those soldier OR that Vice Admiral to just shoot one of his men. yeah me too. That was the most violent One Piece episode I have seen. reinwald said: Rob Lucci has one troubled childhood! LOL! :-D I blame the goverment for abusing him. You just can't make an assasin out of a 13 year old boy!!!! Saapanael said: That Vice Admiral in the end of the episode is a bastard. So true!!!! I hate characters that kill without reason, just to demonstrate power!!! Overall this episode made me angry. Don't ask me why... |
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| Rob Lucci is now my 2nd fav OP villain, with Eneru at #1 |
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| There were a rather disturbing amount of "bad" Government officials in this episode. |
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| The government in one piece is like the government in real life, both corrupted, will kill innocent people to achieve their goals. THIS IS FUCKED UP! |
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| yo these marines are really fucked up |
| Rob Lucci is savage and his dark justice probably falls more in line with the true intentions of the world government. |
reinwald said: Rob Lucci has one troubled childhood! LOL! :-D for real O_o Crazy **** o.o |
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| Is it just me or are all the marines really really really lame |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| This episode didn't sit well with me for reasons I'll get into. I thought Lucci tanked the third gear punch and was alright but if he landed in the water that would have been a one hit kill! I really like what this fight has turned into. A slow but incredibly strong giant Luffy versus Lucci who is using his speed in beast form, and his projectiles to make Luffy freeze up to abuse his speed over Luffy's slowness. It's created a super interesting dynamic to the fight. Last time I think I referred to Luffy blowing up his limbs like balloons but It's pretty clear even by the move name that he bites into his bone on his thumb and blows his bones full of air. That's brutal and it'd hurt a heck of a lot more than smacking someone with balloon limbs. Of course, it's ridiculous, but the only logical problem I'm stuck on is how he blew that much air with his mouth! Jeez, he's a giant!!! It also got me thinking, gear third doesn't seem to blood dope and thus it doesn't seem to overly exhaust Luffy. I wonder if chibi Luffy occurs when Luffy blows the air out of himself causing him to shrink! If so the only problem with this form is its lack of practicality and it's slowness. It'll be interesting to see him choose between fighting normally or choosing between gear 2 or gear 3 depending on the challenges he faces going forward. Now since I've said my praise let's get into the part that bothers me. THE WORLD GOVERNMENT AND LUCCI ARE SO EDGY AND CORRUPT IT'S HARD TO EVEN BELIEVE! Seriously!? There's utilitarianism where you do as Spandam said, kill 1000 on the spot to save 10, 000 later. Or, even as they were doing framing Tom or attacking Iceberg, they were causing pain to save pain later by getting a weapon to stop others from using it against them. These are debatably morally reprehensible yes, but they make complete sense. Here we have Lucci as a 13-year-old kill 500 innocent soldiers because they were weak. There's stopping evil and pain in the name of justice and then there's cleansing the world of all of those who aren't ultra strong. This is something that I cannot even see as defendable. To be fair we've seen Lucci act on this behavior before, he was full of joy when he killed Nero for being a weakling, he seems to believe only the strong should fight and that would also express his respect for Luffy! And after that, we have a navy admiral shoot a man dead in cold blood because he questioned why they would kill 1000 of their men to possibly hurt a criminal who hasn't actually even killed one single person. I understand it was to create a message to the others to not hesitate or question justice, but it's so evil and uncalled for. Spandam said they would kill 1000 to save 10,000 but we've seen the government act and knowingly kill 500 for not a single life but instead kill people for being weak, and here kill a man for hesitating in cold blood and plan to kill 1000 of their own men not to save lives but to hurt a single guy who has actually done the government some favours. HOW DOES A SYSTEM RUN LIKE THIS?!?!?! The hypocrisy and idiocy of their actions make me facepalm. It isn't even efficient. I think Spandam and Lucci and these admirals are great examples of the 1D evil-doers of the navy. We've had Smoker who challenged the corrupt system and the navy captain who was training Coby and Helmeppo and we had Aokiji save Robin's life and go against the navy, they're not all bad. But these guys are worse or on the same level as Crocodile, Eneru, and Arlong. I understand that is the point and I'm not saying this is a flaw necessarily, but I certainly prefer some more moral ambiguity rather than both extremes being pure evil. I'm sure systems have functioned like this before. Things can be messed up. For now, this isn't a criticism, just a vent on my hatred for the navy in this freaking anime and some ways that I'd prefer it to be instead. However, I do understand the point of the world government at this point especially with the contrast of Spandam and Spandine being that they can do absolute opposite actions, fight for opposite causes, and both times say they were doing it for justice because to them, and I suppose to many authorities in the world "justice" is purely what they call fighting for their ulterior motives. It's a justifier for cruel acts, etc. If they were less corrupt this thematic message wouldn't come through as strong. One big strength of making such a horrible authority is that the disgust of how it's run makes you contemplate these things no matter what. So, even though this was intended to be more negative, through writing this I started to really appreciate what they stand for as a horribly evil and corrupt authority as well as how it characterized Lucci on a level he wasn't before. Now Lucci's at least on an Arlong tier of a villain but he's not quite Crocodile tier for me yet. Good episode, I suppose frustration doesn't always equate to poor writing! |
| Lucci killing all 500 hostaged soldiers because of their weakness leading to their arrest was despicable. Him being able to murder all those people with such efficiency and lack of hesitation at a very young age really shows how much of a born killer he really is. That Vice Admiral ordering the killing of a thousand fellow Marines and killing that officer who voiced his objection to it proved that the World Government are cruel despots who thinks that the end more than justifies the means... Luffy's using his Gear Third way longer and effectively than I've expected is very impressive. I hope that he's good at hide and seek! |
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| There are some enemies throughout an anime that can become an ally to the protagonist but Lucci is out of the question. Murdering 500 innocent lives was just too horrific! |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Lucci and his justice can suck my ass. The whole world government is sick. |
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| Yeahh you called that Justice??? WTF Lucci. Bruhh the World Government is TRASH. |
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| The world government is ruthless wtf Lucci is just terrifying. Killing 500 innocent people and calling that justice? |
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| "That's Straw Hat Luffy, whose bounty is 100 million Berries! I didn't think held be that fat." loool Another great episode. Lucci is one cold motherfucker. Man I'd hate to be a Marine with these guys as my superiors. |
| love that shot of Lucci goin full Animorph |
| Man Lucci is absolutely brutal. Didnt expect a back story from him. None of the other villains got one, but it was great. Dude pure evil. He close to crocodile as my favorite villain. Idk if he has it. But Luffy might need gear 4 to beat him. And tbh I knew the marines and world government was always shacky. But there some really really bad ones. We know there true colors now. Like the vice admiral at the end. For every good one like smoker or the sword guy from the train. There like 10 evil ones. |
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