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| I'm not a fan of killing main characters. Everyone is super into GoT because of it, but I feel like writing and fleshing out a character then killing him off hurts the story more than it helps it. Fans of that character or fans of a complete story in general are left holding their wangs and never knowing how his plotline would have turned out. You can create suspense without actually killing off main characters. You don't need death to actually be visible to instill the fear of death. At least not if you write well enough. |
SolviteSekai said: I'm not a fan of killing main characters. Everyone is super into GoT because of it, but I feel like writing and fleshing out a character then killing him off hurts the story more than it helps it. Fans of that character or fans of a complete story in general are left holding their wangs and never knowing how his plotline would have turned out. You can create suspense without actually killing off main characters. You don't need death to actually be visible to instill the fear of death. At least not if you write well enough. |
SolviteSekai said: Kaoknight said: One thing I like about agk over attack on titans is that main characters(developed characters) can actually die, not just the same nameless losers whose only purpose in the show is to be eaten while the main cast is perfectly safe and making their greedy sasha jokes. I like both Aot and agk but tbh, aot almost felt like the typical mecha anime about the angsty teenager being the only one who can pilot the robot. While akg can be really gratuitous at times. AOT and AgK both have their cliches and tropes that get in the way of what make them special. I'm just hoping the next few episodes dont have shakey crazyface stills. Even AoT didnt have those. yeah, I also feel that a lot of anime's had the potential to be great(or decent the least) but get ruined by the tropes/cliches and otaku pandering. A recent example imo would probably be NGNL, it had an interesting setup and first episode but was then full of loli imouto fanservice, overabundance of shower scenes etc etc. Because of the pacing, Akame almost reminds me of brynhildr, in which it tried to take itself as an edgy/dark show but the bad transition and bad jokes(like going from a death scene right to a slice of school life harem) took me out of it. Mod Edit: fixed quote. |
VudisJul 13, 2014 5:43 AM
SolviteSekai said: If it's done purely for shock factor or to get feels out of the audience, I agree.I feel like writing and fleshing out a character then killing him off hurts the story more than it helps it. If there's a different goal related to the plot or the other characters the author has in mind then I'm not against it at all. |
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| I dont mind seeing main characters die. The problem comes in when it reaches game of thrones levels where EXTREMELY VITAL main characters are dying. It's like, this guy who is currently involved in every aspect of the plot dies, and the entire story comes to a complete stop as everyone shuffles around and a new person begins driving the story. Probably the best example to me is how dies, despite being a driving force behind that current part of the story. Its just like LOL IM GEORGE RR MARTIN, DONT GET TO ATTACHED. Half the time while watching I just dont give a fuck about anything anyone does or says because in the end they probably wont get to do or say what they were planning on doing. |
| It's a good thing that it follows the manga exactly |
Kaoknight said: SolviteSekai said: AOT and AgK both have their cliches and tropes that get in the way of what make them special. I'm just hoping the next few episodes dont have shakey crazyface stills. Even AoT didnt have those. yeah, I also feel that a lot of anime's had the potential to be great(or decent the least) but get ruined by the tropes/cliches and otaku pandering. A recent example imo would probably be NGNL, it had an interesting setup and first episode but was then full of loli imouto fanservice, overabundance of shower scenes etc etc. Because of the pacing, Akame almost reminds me of brynhildr, in which it tried to take itself as an edgy/dark show but the bad transition and bad jokes(like going from a death scene right to a slice of school life harem) took me out of it. As much as i've bashed this show, I see no possible way it could be as bad as brynhildr, simply because this show isnt inherently built on cliches. I mean theres some unoriginal shit and shock pandering, but Brynhildr literally is a giant mangled slab of everything that's currently popular in anime. I mean it had: Gore Moe High School Setting Super Powers Mahou Shoujo Harem Aliens It was like "popular tropes" the manga. |
VudisJul 13, 2014 5:45 AM
Kaoknight said: Sorry but this is no where near as bad as Brynhildr in pacing. Hell it's not even as bad as SAO season 1's or Black Bullet's pace.Because of the pacing, Akame almost reminds me of brynhildr, in which it tried to take itself as an edgy/dark show but the bad transition and bad jokes(like going from a death scene right to a slice of school life harem) took me out of it. It didn't feel that rushed (not in a bad way anyway) for anime only viewers, and manga readers are mostly satisfied, or even more than happy, with what White Fox did. |
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Botato said: SolviteSekai said: If it's done purely for shock factor or to get feels out of the audience, I agree.I feel like writing and fleshing out a character then killing him off hurts the story more than it helps it. If there's a different goal related to the plot or the other characters the author has in mind then I'm not against it at all. Game of thrones is just a pandering mainstream(sorry if I sound like a hipster) show that relies way too much on shock value to the point where you might as well be playing death bingo while watching the show. But there's a difference between simply killing off a character as a cheap substitute for actually good writing and giving the characters of a battle shonen way less plot armor. Akame is like the anti-thesis of fairy tail, they're both poorly written shonens but characters die there are no asspulls and the "power of friendship" doesn't mean anything. |
Botato said: Kaoknight said: Sorry but this is no where near as bad as Brynhildr in pacing. Hell it's not even as bad as SAO season 1's or Black Bullet's pace.Because of the pacing, Akame almost reminds me of brynhildr, in which it tried to take itself as an edgy/dark show but the bad transition and bad jokes(like going from a death scene right to a slice of school life harem) took me out of it. It didn't feel that rushed (not in a bad way anyway) for anime only viewers, and manga readers are mostly satisfied, or even more than happy, with what White Fox did. Brynhildr had random harem shit mixed in between horrific murder scenes. Thats what he's referencing. |
| So would Fate/Zero be an example of a show where shitloads of people die but it doesn't hurt the plot? |
SolviteSekai said: It's still the same thing.Botato said: Sorry but this is no where near as bad as Brynhildr in pacing. Hell it's not even as bad as SAO season 1's or Black Bullet's pace. It didn't feel that rushed (not in a bad way anyway) for anime only viewers, and manga readers are mostly satisfied, or even more than happy, with what White Fox did. Brynhildr had random harem shit mixed in between horrific murder scenes. Thats what he's referencing. If the staff knew what the hell they were doing (or if they tried to make it look consistent/coherent), at the very least, it would be like AgK. Even the most generic of things that uses nothing but cliches can still be good and entertaining, but if it has shit pacing it will just be shit. |
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fst said: So would Fate/Zero be an example of a show where shitloads of people die but it doesn't hurt the plot? Fate Zero had a plot? I assumed it was just a case study on what it means to be an effective king. The rest of the show was just child murder and a commercial for Walking Dead season 5. |
fst said: So would Fate/Zero be an example of a show where shitloads of people die but it doesn't hurt the plot? Fate/zero doesnt really count since it is a battle royal anime, about people trying to kill each other in order to win while one of them was a serial killer. when people die in those it's actually suppose to further the plot.. |
SolviteSekai said: You just opened up an old wound for me bro....I miss that character and their father so much T.TI dont mind seeing main characters die. The problem comes in when it reaches game of thrones levels where EXTREMELY VITAL main characters are dying. It's like, this guy who is currently involved in every aspect of the plot dies, and the entire story comes to a complete stop as everyone shuffles around and a new person begins driving the story. Probably the best example to me is how dies, despite being a driving force behind that current part of the story. Its just like LOL IM GEORGE RR MARTIN, DONT GET TO ATTACHED. Half the time while watching I just dont give a fuck about anything anyone does or says because in the end they probably wont get to do or say what they were planning on doing. |
| Again, main characters dont have to die for the author to convey the suspense of death. That is just an idiotic excuse that bloodthirsty teenagers make to justify demanding more senseless and poorly written MC deaths. |
| Alright we're way off topic here now so lets stop with the GoT talk On a side not though...@Solvite, look out for a character named Esdese, I'm super interested in seeing your opinion of her once she gets introduced |
Tokoya said: Alright we're way off topic here now so lets stop with the GoT talk On a side not though...@Solvite, look out for a character named Esdese, I'm super interested in seeing your opinion of her once she gets introduced Just read the manga, she gets introduced rather early in the manga. It looks like it will take 3 or 4 more episodes before she is introduced in the anime. |
| Back on topic, the blonde haired girl was so generic and bimboish that it detracted from my experience. In fact they were all pretty generic. Teasing older girl with giant tits loli girl with crazy face optimistic MC who is serious when he needs to be Rei clone girl with sword. |
SolviteSekai said: Back on topic, the blonde haired girl was so generic and bimboish that it detracted from my experience. In fact they were all pretty generic. Teasing older girl with giant tits loli girl with crazy face optimistic MC who is serious when he needs to be Rei clone girl with sword. With the hundreds of thousands of anime girls that exist, is it even possible to create a character that hasn't been done thousands of times? I guess it's "to each their own," but I personally look forward to certain interactions that I know will be coming from said generic girls. |
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RavenclawSeeker said: SolviteSekai said: Back on topic, the blonde haired girl was so generic and bimboish that it detracted from my experience. In fact they were all pretty generic. Teasing older girl with giant tits loli girl with crazy face optimistic MC who is serious when he needs to be Rei clone girl with sword. With the hundreds of thousands of anime girls that exist, is it even possible to create a character that hasn't been done thousands of times? I guess it's "to each their own," but I personally look forward to certain interactions that I know will be coming from said generic girls. Nah its pretty hard to make original characters. I just hated the blond girl because I cant stand characters with random accessories and dumb clothing. IDK how i made it through some of the shows i've come to love. |
Keetriver said: SolviteSekai said: Again, main characters dont have to die for the author to convey the suspense of death. That is just an idiotic excuse that bloodthirsty teenagers make to justify demanding more senseless and poorly written MC deaths. It's not that Main characters need to die, its that important/influential characters do. Main characters are what make the story. Survival theme can work by making a main character understand, learn and adapt to the methods of surviving. And survival is more than the suspense of death. It deals with the consequences of surviving and the impacts of death. Of course I wouldn't want characters dying left and right for no reason other than because they could. But if they left a strong impression and the impact of their death is conveyed, it fits the theme of survival perfectly. You can convey a sense of danger without killing any characters. It isn't necessary. It's that trap that leads to dumb meaningless deaths. Because inferior writers rely on killing people as a crutch. |
Keetriver said: SolviteSekai said: Back on topic, the blonde haired girl was so generic and bimboish that it detracted from my experience. In fact they were all pretty generic. Teasing older girl with giant tits loli girl with crazy face optimistic MC who is serious when he needs to be Rei clone girl with sword. Are you going to like...say anything good about this anime or are you just going to keep coming back here to name all the bad things you could possibly find before the next episode airs where you have another 20 min worth of content to badmouth? I've said good things. Also I specifically wrote this post to try and pull the conversation away from a political debate about modern conventional warfare. At the very least it appears to have worked. |
| Yeah, not sure how they did get to that topic but whatever. Anyway i wasnt getting all the hype about this anime but after watching first episode i have to say that i am totally into it. I LOVE the setting and that weird mix of seriousness with blood and gore and comedy. Only kinda problem for me is that i am not fan of blood and gore but with this story i can get used with it in about few episodes. This sounds very weird xD But definitely this is a keeper and the fact that it will be 24 ep anime makes me very happy xD |
| These mood-swings are cringe-worthy but I guess I'll give it a few more episodes. I'm quite curious who screwed it up, director or scriptwriter. |
Ii tenki desu ne... |
Antanaru said: I'm told this is how it was in the manga.These mood-swings are cringe-worthy but I guess I'll give it a few more episodes. I'm quite curious who screwed it up, director or scriptwriter. If anything, at least it shows that it will be a faithful adaptation at least. |
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randomguy777 said: I'm not really sure what type of show this is supposed to be, some sort of comedy/horror hybrid I guess. It's a battle shounen with torture porn as the theme. |
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| A very solid first showing. Coming into this, I knew this got intense, but I definitely didn't expect this much. The OST was fantastic. I loved the Skyrim-esque feel of it. The only short coming I saw from this was the ending, it just felt rushed. He just learned his friends were murdered, and I feel like it wasn't given the proper amount of focus afterwards. I feel like he should've been much more emotional, but instead it just went to a more comical tone when they decided he was going to join their group. Hopefully it's given the proper attention it deserves at the beginning of next episode. Looking forward to more. |
| Everybody's bitching about the mood swing and the transition between serious and comedy and meanwhile I'm sitting over here not giving a fuck because I can tell that this is not the kind of thing that should be taken seriously anyways. |
| I'm gonna stick with this one. Mood swing in the end was really annoying but it didn't kill the episode for me ;) And come on - girl with katana! :D |
| Wow. I should watch this before saying Nozaki-kun is the best of this season. Great shit But the way they are killing off people without any seriousness is funny |
| The fact that the show made me feel bad for his two friends that we barely even know about is a good sign. I will be watching this. |
| Looks the best out of this summer season. |
| Ever since the first chapter of this series (manga) came out... i've been waiting for this. |
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| Actually not too impressed. Seems like typical shounen fare to me. I will watch a few episodes more and see where it goes as I get the impression that this is pretty hyped right now and there may also be a reason for this. |
| The way the MC just forgot about his friends is durp, just like the way he got dragged into the party. Seems like a mix of serious and durp so far. |
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MasterMeNL said: The way the MC just forgot about his friends is durp, just like the way he got dragged into the party. Seems like a mix of serious and durp so far. Who said he forgot? Did you miss the fact that while Leone was carrying him away he said wait I need to make graves for them? Then Leone said she'd bring the corpses back to the base? Were you even paying attention? |
Darklight0303 said: MasterMeNL said: The way the MC just forgot about his friends is durp, just like the way he got dragged into the party. Seems like a mix of serious and durp so far. Who said he forgot? Did you miss the fact that while Leone was carrying him away he said wait I need to make graves for them? Then Leone said she'd bring the corpses back to the base? Were you even paying attention? yeah, this seems to most peoples main problem it, even though this is only the first ep but still, his gag reaction right after his friends died was pretty where'd even though they'll show him mourn for them in the next ep |
Kaoknight said: As been said again and again, that he mourns them later doesn't excuse that this particular scene sucked.Darklight0303 said: Who said he forgot? Did you miss the fact that while Leone was carrying him away he said wait I need to make graves for them? Then Leone said she'd bring the corpses back to the base? Were you even paying attention? yeah, this seems to most peoples main problem it, even though this is only the first ep but still, his gag reaction right after his friends died was pretty where'd even though they'll show him mourn for them in the next ep |
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Kaoknight said: Darklight0303 said: Who said he forgot? Did you miss the fact that while Leone was carrying him away he said wait I need to make graves for them? Then Leone said she'd bring the corpses back to the base? Were you even paying attention? yeah, this seems to most peoples main problem it, even though this is only the first ep but still, his gag reaction right after his friends died was pretty where'd even though they'll show him mourn for them in the next ep I don't know I found it natural personally because no one is giving him time to even get his thoughts straight throwing him into ludicrous situation after ludicrous situation first from Leone picking him up like a sack of potatoes then passing him on to the armored guy who out of the blue tells him it'll get better. He just got swept up in their flow as they decided that he is to be one of them. |
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