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Jun 27, 2014 10:49 AM

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tbh, all of them have minimal impact, which is why I prefer it in anime form. Voices and motion add so much to the experience of emotion, and in that regard both Naruto and One Piece trump Bleach for me, so I guess it makes it even worse for Bleach.
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You guys sure care about the smallest of details, manga and anime as serious of a business as always!
Appreciation of art is always srs bsnss, no matter the form it takes.
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there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Jun 27, 2014 11:32 AM

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Candor said:
(One Piece has the lowest impactful art, Naruto has some really impactful panels, albeit those are few, Bleach has really impactful panels and there's a decent amount of them, but compared to others, Bleach doesn't have that many backgrounds, which really isn't a bad thing)



Impactful... It really depends on what kind of impact you're looking for! I mean none of the image you guys showed has as much impact on me as this one. There is other emotion that you can convey through your art besides pissed-off/menacing face, surprise or other more lighthearted emotion should count when you discuss about impact of an art.

Also, I disagree with your comment about the background.
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Problem with OP's art is that every expression is the same. All crying faces are the same, all surprised, angry, funny faces.

Like there's a template for each emotion and he just finishes the design.

And there's the way the expressions don't really convey the emotion well. But that's got the execution to blame as well.
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Jun 27, 2014 11:44 AM

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That Enel face is a surprised/scared face, standard emotions, so what impact are you talking about? :(

So you spend at least 5 min looking at the backgrounds on each page right? since they're so important and all.
Jun 27, 2014 11:52 AM

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judals said:
Problem with OP's art is that every expression is the same. All crying faces are the same, all surprised, angry, funny faces.

Like there's a template for each emotion and he just finishes the design.


I completely disagree with this! You just have to look at the image by Candor to see that Luffy's pissed off face isn't the same as Zoro's. It wouldn't be hard to prove you wrong with other images showing character crying and the like.

There are some surprised that are used like the Enel's one, but it is more of a running joke that lack of creativity.
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judals said:
Problem with OP's art is that every expression is the same. All crying faces are the same, all surprised, angry, funny faces.

Like there's a template for each emotion and he just finishes the design.

And there's the way the expressions don't really convey the emotion well. But that's got the execution to blame as well.
you could make a drinking game for how many times this face appears every arc
Jun 27, 2014 11:59 AM

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Dat Eneru face was one of the reasons I loved Skypiea in the manga, and when I actually watched it in all its animated glory I loved it even more.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Jun 27, 2014 12:01 PM

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it's enel you weebs

btw does anyone think enel will return at some point because the ending of skypeia hinted at it
Jun 27, 2014 12:03 PM

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ichii_1 said:
That Enel face is a surprised/scared face, standard emotions, so what impact are you talking about? :(


Impact in the way that I actually remember about it even years after reading it, and that it made me react more than any of those images you showed earlier.

And standard emotion... If you want, but I don't see how those pissed off/menacing face that you can find easily in a lot of battle seinen are any less standard.

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So you spend at least 5 min looking at the backgrounds on each page right? since they're so important and all.


Not really, but it is some details that I like to see. I don't spend that much time looking at character's face either to be honest.
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JD2411 said:
judals said:
Problem with OP's art is that every expression is the same. All crying faces are the same, all surprised, angry, funny faces.

Like there's a template for each emotion and he just finishes the design.

And there's the way the expressions don't really convey the emotion well. But that's got the execution to blame as well.
you could make a drinking game for how many times this face appears every arc


Ahhh, the "big villain you just screwed your new friends over for just screwed you over" face.
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JD2411 said:
it's enel you weebs

btw does anyone think enel will return at some point because the ending of skypeia hinted at it

Yes, Fujitora will pull down the moon and Enel will be like "what dafuq just happened?!"
Jun 27, 2014 12:09 PM

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JD2411 said:
you could make a drinking game for how many times this face appears every arc


We're talking about the manga, so showing an image doesn't prove anything.

Also, I'm pretty sure that when you said that you're blinded by those eyes that the anime use for many different expression:

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judals said:
Problem with OP's art is that every expression is the same. All crying faces are the same, all surprised, angry, funny faces.

Like there's a template for each emotion and he just finishes the design.

Are you serious at seeing this as a problem? So now having a similar face to express a determinate emotion in the same author is a sign of laziness? Which is anyway not true. For instance with crying we have different models:



And a lot more I guess, really, the only thing all these have in common is the continuous flowing of a tear in the face and the snot, because apparently Oda loves snot xD
Jun 27, 2014 12:17 PM

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honestly when characters cry in one piece it just looks disgusting with the snot and it ruins a lot of serious moments for me
Jun 27, 2014 12:18 PM

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JD2411 said:
honestly when characters cry in one piece it just looks disgusting with the snot and it ruins a lot of serious moments for me

I can't deny that though. For me it looks curious/funny.
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honestly when characters cry in one piece it just looks disgusting with the snot and it ruins a lot of serious moments for me

I can't deny that though. For me it looks curious/funny.
I think it works well in comedy scenes like the ones with Franky lol
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Now that I've experienced 30+ episodes of Komugi I don't feel I can complain about snot anymore.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Jun 27, 2014 12:22 PM

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Now that I've experienced 30+ episodes of Komugi I don't feel I can complain about snot anymore.
she also had a lisp and that pissed me off as well

I don't think I've disliked a character as much as her before. I would knock her out before being killed by the king and I wouldn't have any regrets
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JD2411 said:
it's enel you weebs

btw does anyone think enel will return at some point because the ending of skypeia hinted at it
If you read the manga in a chapter cover story that the anime skipped, you'd see that Enel and the moon where he's at is probably going to be important for the mystery of the world.

I could just see it.
Jun 27, 2014 12:27 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
I could just see it.
That would be the awesomest thing ever.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
Jun 27, 2014 12:31 PM

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oh yeah is that fat bastard with the axe (sentomaru?) related to enel in any way since he has the same pattern as enel's drums on his clothes
Jun 27, 2014 12:32 PM

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Sapewloth said:
IntroverTurtle said:
I could just see it.
That would be the awesomest thing ever.

Or...you know.. Fujitora brings the moon down that Enel is on with his power :O

OP has a lot of moons-
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JD2411 said:
oh yeah is that fat bastard with the axe (sentomaru?) related to enel in any way since he has the same pattern as enel's drums on his clothes
That's a common Japanese symbol called a tomoe. Sharingan has it too.

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I could just see it.
That would be the awesomest thing ever.
I know right, I get giddy just thinking about it. I think it's going to happen. Actually Oda has kinda comfirmed it a little. All the hints in the story point to it too. Space, at least the space around the One Piece planet is going to be important.
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I think introducing space into one piece would be horrible
Jun 27, 2014 12:47 PM

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JD2411 said:
I think introducing space into one piece would be horrible
Glorious is more like it, the ultimate adventure.
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JD2411 said:
honestly when characters cry in one piece it just looks disgusting with the snot and it ruins a lot of serious moments for me
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IntroverTurtle said:
JD2411 said:
I think introducing space into one piece would be horrible
Glorious is more like it, the ultimate adventure.
well I have a personal grudge against space so I wouldn't like it

Korrvo said:
JD2411 said:
honestly when characters cry in one piece it just looks disgusting with the snot and it ruins a lot of serious moments for me
http://myanimelist.net/character/14313/Komugi
ffs korrvo you're 3 pages too late
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IntroverTurtle said:
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I think introducing space into one piece would be horrible
Glorious is more like it, the ultimate adventure.

This isn't Toriko, OP in space would go against it's very being :(

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This isn't Toriko, OP in space would go against it's very being :(
No it wouldn't, not at all. One Piece is an adventure story. On top of that Oda was inspired by DB and it would explain or help explain some big things. And I don't think we'll really see them travelling across space but I do think it will be important for the story.
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Btw speaking of Enel

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Jun 27, 2014 1:44 PM

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ichii_1 said:
This isn't Toriko, OP in space would go against it's very being :(
No it wouldn't, not at all. One Piece is an adventure story. On top of that Oda was inspired by DB and it would explain or help explain some big things. And I don't think we'll really see them travelling across space but I do think it will be important for the story.

I tend to belive the same. The one thing that hooked me with One Piece was that DB-esque feel of adventure and discovery, and that's one of the main reasons why I was able to enjoy arcs like Skypiea and Fishman Island arc even when most of the fanbase seems to be shitting on them. To me islands in the freaking clouds and finally seeing all those sea creatures we'd met before in their home underwater was a great experience.
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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judals said:
Problem with OP's art is that every expression is the same. All crying faces are the same, all surprised, angry, funny faces.

Like there's a template for each emotion and he just finishes the design.

Are you serious at seeing this as a problem? So now having a similar face to express a determinate emotion in the same author is a sign of laziness? Which is anyway not true. For instance with crying we have different models:



And a lot more I guess, really, the only thing all these have in common is the continuous flowing of a tear in the face and the snot, because apparently Oda loves snot xD

Yes. When every supposed sad moment is just them crying their balls off, I'm like "is that supposed to be how I feel? No I'll be the judge of that", but I said its not the major issue, just a bother.
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Jun 27, 2014 1:46 PM

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one thing I really want to know in one piece is what those giant creatures in the florian triangle are
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No it wouldn't, not at all. One Piece is an adventure story. On top of that Oda was inspired by DB and it would explain or help explain some big things. And I don't think we'll really see them travelling across space but I do think it will be important for the story.

I tend to belive the same. The one thing that hooked me with One Piece was that DB-esque feel of adventure and discovery, and that's one of the main reasons why I was able to enjoy arcs like Skypiea and Fishman Island arc even when most of the fanbase seems to be shitting on them. To me islands in the freaking clouds and finally seeing all those sea creatures we'd met before in their home underwater was a great experience.
Please dont put skyliea and FI in the same sentence. People shit on skypiea for the exploration part and not having epic action straight away, while FI is hated for terrible writing.
So please, no. Keep at least 5 paragraphs between them next time. This is required by law actually.
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Fishman Island. Skypiea.

Whatcha gon do?
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Kellhus said:
GuusWayne said:
there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief

And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat.
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Sapewloth said:
Fishman Island. Skypiea.

Whatcha gon do?
The two worst sagas easily.

Although now that I finished it, I do think Fishman Island is a good bit overhated. It really wasn't that bad at all.

Still felt like good ol' One Piece to me as always.
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skypeia was better than the entirety of water 7
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Thread Cleaned.

Let's not go off-topic.
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Skypiea has some of the most frequent action in the series. I don't really understand the whole "adventure" arc label.
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Yes. When every supposed sad moment is just them crying their balls off, I'm like "is that supposed to be how I feel? No I'll be the judge of that", but I said its not the major issue, just a bother.

You were saying, though, that every crying face was the same. Because for sad moments, there's for instance the tearless shock Luffy had in Marineford.
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Skypiea has some of the most frequent action in the series. I don't really understand the whole "adventure" arc label.


It's for people to justify their hate or others dislike for something they liked.
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Fishman Island. Skypiea.

Whatcha gon do?

True, Fishman Island is hated mostly because of the anime version of it, slow.

I barely remember what happened in Skypiea :( OP just doesn't stick to me like the rest :O
The whole setting in space sounds wrong, explore the world and seas first before going.
But that Naruto in space foreshadowing thou :) hahaha I can live with that.
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Fishman Island. Skypiea.

Whatcha gon do?

True, Fishman Island is hated mostly because of the anime version of it, slow.

I barely remember what happened in Skypiea :( OP just doesn't stick to me like the rest :O
The manga version was also not that great and also felt slow.
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My problem with fishman island is that they were training for two years to come back and a whole year of the anime fighting cannon fodder

it felt like he wanted to do much way to early

also the One piece world has 6-7 moons so i guessing he wants them to explore at-least one i'd like to see how they get up there though
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My problem with fishman island is that they were training for two years to come back and a whole year of the anime fighting cannon fodder


That just shows how much they've grown from their training

But yeah, from what I remember I didn't like that too much either
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My problem with fishman island is that they were training for two years to come back and a whole year of the anime fighting cannon fodder

it felt like he wanted to do much way to early

also the One piece world has 6-7 moons so i guessing he wants them to explore at-least one i'd like to see how they get up there though
Balloon probably either that or my theory about Raftel and the ancient civilization where

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one thing I really want to know in one piece is what those giant creatures in the florian triangle are


Don't we all want to know.
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StefanHere said:
My problem with fishman island is that they were training for two years to come back and a whole year of the anime fighting cannon fodder

it felt like he wanted to do much way to early

also the One piece world has 6-7 moons so i guessing he wants them to explore at-least one i'd like to see how they get up there though
Balloon probably either that or my theory about Raftel and the ancient civilization where



oh yeah and i completely forgot how Enel got up there i also think Robin as already been up to one as i read a theory awhile back that Dragons main base is on one of them
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