The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
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Vooo said: What the hell are you on about? Bias, towards what? How the fuck do you know how or why im watching this anime.IceBurn said: Another dull episode showcasing how much of an insipid tool tasuya really is. Oh well,18 more to go. Why are you watching this anime with a preemptive bias? Really need to bar the LN comparisons. It's rather annoying and very elitist. I dont even know how to respond the last part since i never compared the anime with the novels because you know, ive never fucking read them. |
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Minagatachi said: I still have no fucking idea what the hell they are talking about. at flight magic part? |
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comochi said: Minagatachi said: I still have no fucking idea what the hell they are talking about. at flight magic part? Lol, I don't think you're supposed to understand that, though it gives some general idea on how the magic works in this, I think the real purpose of that scene is to tell you that Tatsuya had already discovered the flaw and been working on it until he completed it in the end. All of that made possible because he can read activation sequences, he basically knows any error in a magic sequence and can even tampered with the sequence to make it useless like how he cancelled the hypnosis in ep 7. |
| I am actually somewhat speechless that you guys discuss my joke about Tatsuya being able to cure cancer... and that all of you seem to think it is possible that he at least can halt it for a fixed amount of time. How can people seriously argue that he isn't a Gary Sue and still discuss it like this? I am confused and slightly shocked. Time to leave this thread, I guess... viriagan said: shanimebib said: The magic explanations, as always, didn't fail to fly right over my head. I guess I am too used to Mahou Shoujo anime so those explanations are quite muzukashii for someone like me to understand. I'm pretty sure the explanations are only supposed to seem coherent and ~clever~ to emphasize the almighty Tatsuya's skill; they don't make sense to me either. If I just went and spawned a bunch of garbage using this, there surely would be a way to shoehorn it into the show. That's how technobabble works. I may not be an anime expert, but augh, this show is absolutely awful so far. This episode was the icing on the cake with its "turns out this high school boy is more 2x more knowledgeable than an entire group of British scientists" ahahaha oh damn. I wouldn't be too suprised about the technobabble generator at this point. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Tatsuya is a genius. He made that flying gadget himself. He might be the famous Silver Taurus guy himself. |
Nidhoeggr said: I am actually somewhat speechless that you guys discuss my joke about Tatsuya being able to cure cancer... Please don't make joke of an anime with such serious tone. :( Nidhoeggr said: viriagan said: shanimebib said: The magic explanations, as always, didn't fail to fly right over my head. I guess I am too used to Mahou Shoujo anime so those explanations are quite muzukashii for someone like me to understand. I'm pretty sure the explanations are only supposed to seem coherent and ~clever~ to emphasize the almighty Tatsuya's skill; they don't make sense to me either. If I just went and spawned a bunch of garbage using this, there surely would be a way to shoehorn it into the show. That's how technobabble works. I may not be an anime expert, but augh, this show is absolutely awful so far. This episode was the icing on the cake with its "turns out this high school boy is more 2x more knowledgeable than an entire group of British scientists" ahahaha oh damn. I wouldn't be too suprised about the technobabble generator at this point. You mean MahouXTechnobabble. Magito said: Tatsuya is a genius. He made that flying gadget himself. He might be the famous Silver Taurus guy himself. shanimebib said: Revelation of the episode is Tatsuya being a Special Lieutenant. And somehow mentioning of Silver Tattoo or something (can't recall honestly) by a girl (you read 'loli') triggers Miyuki's brocon. Seriously, it maddens me how this anime has three times the followers in MAL (let alone the unbelievable average score) compared to Sidonia no Kishi (probably because of the animation style) and Captain Earth (because of I have no freken' clue why) when both anime are head and shoulder above this anime, quality and execution-wise. I will keep on hoping that this anime will get better. |
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AquaWateria said: The thing is Sidonia has shit animation which is why the manga is better. Whoa, whoa, is this the thing that broke the camel's back? Some would say that Nihei's art is an acquired taste, but the atmosphere and execution in the anime is second to none this season. From what I've seen the CG is actually way better than it was in the past few years (think Arpeggio). It's briskly paced, has an interesting world, emotional impact, and characters that I actually give a damn about. Mahouka has none of that. It's like dropping NieR because the game is ugly. It's your choice in the end, but it's a damn shame because you'll be missing out on some good stuff; the writing, the characters, the presentation, the world-building, etc. Maybe you don't care for good writing or can't see it but I don't understand how one can be so shallow. I don't subscribe to the idea that enjoyment = good. I can enjoy something extremely bad as much as I can enjoy something truly good. No wonder you migrated here from animeGAF. |
AquaWateria said: shanimebib said: Nidhoeggr said: I am actually somewhat speechless that you guys discuss my joke about Tatsuya being able to cure cancer... Please don't make joke of an anime with such serious tone. :( Nidhoeggr said: viriagan said: shanimebib said: The magic explanations, as always, didexample fail to fly right over my head. I guess I am too used to Mahou Shoujo anime so those explanations are quite muzukashii for someone like me to understand. I'm pretty sure the explanations are only supposed to seem coherent and ~clever~ to emphasize the almighty Tatsuya's skill; they don't make sense to me either. If I just went and spawned a bunch of garbage using this, there surely would be a way to shoehorn it into the show. That's how technobabble works. I may not be an anime expert, but augh, this show is absolutely awful so far. This episode was the icing on the cake with its "turns out this high school boy is more 2x more knowledgeable than an entire group of British scientists" ahahaha oh damn. I wouldn't be too suprised about the technobabble generator at this point. You mean MahouXTechnobabble. Magito said: Tatsuya is a genius. He made that flying gadget himself. He might be the famous Silver Taurus guy himself. shanimebib said: Revelation of the episode is Tatsuya being a Special Lieutenant. And somehow mentioning of Silver Tattoo or something (can't recall honestly) by a girl (you read 'loli') triggers Miyuki's brocon. Seriously, it maddens me how this anime has three times the followers in MAL (let alone the unbelievable average score) compared to Sidonia no Kishi (probably because of the animation style) and Captain Earth (because of I have no freken' clue why) when both anime are head and shoulder above this anime, quality and execution-wise. I will keep on hoping that this anime will get better. The thing is Sidonia has shit animation which is why the manga is better. As for Captain Earth the only thing it has going for it is Hana and visuals, which is meh for me. And it also contains as much technobabble as mahouka does. Like livalaster, libido, kiltgang, and much more. No reason to get maddened, like No Game No life for example has a score of 8.60. which I believe it doesnt deserve, but it doesn't matter because thats other people's opinion and they enjoy it so why ruin their fun. And in my opinion I feel Mahouka it better than Sidonia and Captain Earth because I enjoy it a lot more. And I really cant wait till they animate all the competitions in Mahouka. Sidonia has a shit animation? What??? Excuse me but please refrain from comparing Sidonia with the likes of mahouka. Just dont .... |
AquaWateria said: The thing is Sidonia has shit animation which is why the manga is better. You can say that the art/animation style is not of your taste, but by saying it is sh!t, i don't know what to say, because it is beyond me. AquaWateria said: As for Captain Earth the only thing it has going for it is Hana and visuals, which is meh for me. Strangely enough, she is the least interesting character out of all 4 main leads. I guess we are not compatible at all when it comes to anime. But don't get me wrong, I like her, a lot! AquaWateria said: And it also contains as much technobabble as mahouka does. Like livalaster, libido, kiltgang, and much more. What Takuan_Soho said. |
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| Wow, No one is talking about episode anymore but about other shows. |
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| Is it really that hard to not make comparisons with other shows that aren't even similar enough to be compared? Why should people understand why one one show has a lot more followers than another? Why should people put down other shows in order to lift up others? Whether or not Mahouka deserves to have more followers than Sidonia or Captain Earth is as irrelevant as whether or not there are characteristics of those shows that people don't like. This is a Mahouka thread. There's no point in coming here to complain about why some other show you like does not have as many followers as you envisioned. The assumption that the numbers of followers an anime has is equivalent to its quality or the enjoyment people derive from it is defective. That being said, fans of Mahouka should take care not to 1. Make promises they have no idea the anime will deliver or 2. Criticize other shows in an attempt to highlight why you think this is better. It neither helps nor motivate people to give this a genuine try |
OpalMidgeMay 27, 2014 2:56 PM
| Tatsuya is the keanu reeves of anime >.> maybe he smiles a little more he is def a badass using a keyboard is old school XD haha i love it another good ep she was so cute at the end flying around in that dress <3 |
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millie10468 said: It neither helps nor motivate people to give this a genuine try I see fails coming even though I am giving it a genuine try. 8 episodes in (one third of the anime almost), it is the only anime (despite how fans have regarded it) where nothing worth mentioning happened. So far it seems it is for fans 1. Who like Crazy-Awesome-He-Can-Do-It-All-OP-Kind-of-Main-Guy 2. Who crave for seeing every-other-girl-on-their-knees-for-the-Main-Guy Special Lieutenant? That adds more to the character, right? What a guy our hero is. Flawless, Impeccable, Cool, Strong. His only weakness is "fear of maintaining the shiawase on being with Miyuki in a school where every other one reminds him that he is a lowly weed" :) Edit: Oops! I forgot. It is not his weakness. It is thought to be his weakness by yours truly. I needed to make up something so that I can continue to try to enjoy this anime :) |
shanimebibMay 27, 2014 3:40 PM
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Takuan_Soho said: shanimebib said: millie10468 said: It neither helps nor motivate people to give this a genuine try I see fails coming even though I am giving it a genuine try. 8 episodes in (one third of the anime almost), it is the only anime (despite how fans have regarded it) where nothing worth mentioning happened. You could have also added that it is not your job to 1) help or 2) motivate people to give this a genuine try. That would be a bit harsh. I myself sometimes feel that having people appreciate what I like feels nice. The very reason why I brought up Sidonia and Captain Earth in the discussion. But all the comments I made on this anime are what I really felt. Like you said: Takuan_Soho said: The only responsibility that anyone should have on these threads to state their honest opinion (i.e. not be a troll). This isn't some re-affirmation society. I just pointed out some of the many flaws in this anime. I didn't read the novel, I don't intend to read it and don't want to know what will happen next based on the novel. I am watching the anime, and I am judging it based on what I felt like having watched the first 8 episodes. If I go back to my original comment, I did mention that nothing worth mentioning happened other than Tatsuya being in the military. It seemed to me that the author (or the animators) are trying to force us to take a note that the lead in the anime is super awesome, which is quite irritating (on top of Miyuki's hot head). |
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shanimebib said: It seemed to me that the author (or the animators) are trying to force us to take a note that the lead in the anime is super awesome, which is quite irritating (on top of Miyuki's hot head). Yeah it may seem that way, I thought similarly as well. Then I wondered if Tatsuya might have been written as kind of like this big puzzle to solve. I started thinking why he's so powerful, a genius, emotionally deficient, worshipped by his sister etc. That made him a more interesting character to me. Like recently it was revealed he was in the military, why? What caused him to serve? |
| millie10468 also forgot one important thing to remember: Defend the anime series using the merits of the light novels. It's a common mistake to assume than an anime series adaptation of a certain media would be able to carry through the good things of the original, and this creates a "wall of understanding" between those who have been exposed to the original media and the viewers who are in the series only because of the anime. stealthdasher: If you put it in one way, the story is about a perfect sculpture that actually has miniature flaws that the reader must examine closely to fully understand the work. Those who don't see those flaws are those who stand too far away from the sculpture (i.e., isn't really interested in the sculpture). |
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Takuan_Soho said: snip While you do indeed raise some valid points about the questions being raised, I also believe there's a considerable lack of patience going on here. The questions you're asking, whether or not they'll be answered, are better left for the end of the anime. It feels a bit premature to be so critical of the show's ability to answer those questions when the anime has yet to be completed. Yes, I understand that certain questions have to be answered in order for the show to have some semblance of coherence. However, is this the only anime in which all those questions have to be answered in the first half of the story? I'm not trying to deflect by pointing out how common this type of storytelling is and I understand that some people feel like they've been lied to by LN readers regarding the quality of the series and therefore are disappointed in what they've gotten so far. It's certainly not our (LN readers) place to keep telling people to keep watching or that it gets better (which is a matter of opinion anyway). I will say, however, that there are some anime-only viewers who seem genuinely interested in the questions you raised because they were (somehow) able to understand the things other anime-only viewers don't seem to notice. In those cases, they seem content to wait for the anime to answer their questions in its own time. No adaptation is perfect. Yes, the adaptation is making mistakes that could have been rectified in order to make this certain characteristics go down a lot easier. But it's definitely not as bad as some are making it out to be. |
Takuan_Soho said: Perhaps you will see what I'm talking about as the show proceeds. These hints play out in the bigger picture. I have said that there is more to this show than meets the eye and no it's not "bad writing" as you seem to perceive, it serves a purpose. Though who am I to change your opinion on something, if you deem it to be bad writing then let it be. Though can you not be a little patient and wait to see if things will be explained to you rather than jumping to conclusions? Yes it has been depicted Tatsuya's emotionally deficient and it will be explained in the future, perhaps either in this season or a second season if we get one. I thought this was pretty clear by now unless you've put in a half-assed attempt to watch the show. The characters have been introduced and yes perhaps there should of been a bit more time spent on them but keep in mind it's a fairly large cast. I do though think they've capture the essentials of character personalities of which I'm quite sure we'll see more development in the later arcs. Patriotism? Try harder. Also strong emotion is not a necessity when trying to achieve a goal. There is a difference between drive and emotion. Also keep in mind that Tatsuya does have some emotion just not strong ones like fury, despair, envy, hatred, disgust, gluttony, lust, sloth, and love. Surely you should of got the grasp of the idea that the international standards to test a magicians ability are flawed. Despite that the system functions well in finding higher strength with most magicians in it's own aspects though doesn't cover a minority of types of magicians with more unique abilities. Systems can not be perfect, that is one of the issues that will addressed more later on. Also why does Tatsuya remain so secretive about the fact that he is "special", why do the teachers really have no idea about his capabilities? Food for thought. The adaptation hasn't missed much. It's been presented to you and it's your choice how you want to perceive it. I also remember reading some of your earlier posts when you use to enjoy this show and it seemed you had a better understanding of things back then. Why are you now quickly jumping to conclusions claiming "bad writing" and misunderstanding things mostly due to lacking a bit of patience? e.g. Takuan_Soho said: |
AzlanJun 5, 2014 4:21 AM
millie10468 said: It feels a bit premature to be so critical of the show's ability to answer those questions when the anime has yet to be completed. It's been 8 episodes. stealthdasher said: Though can you not be a little patient and wait to see if things will be explained to you rather than jumping to conclusions. It's been 8 episodes. That's 168 minutes (21 minutes runtime per episode, minus OP and ED). Equivalent to 2 hours and 48 minutes. That's about one very long live action movie. People have told entire stories using film with those 2 hours and 48 minutes. I'd say we've been pretty patient. All that we've seen is Tatsuya piling on credentials like it's going out of style and nary a good reason for ALL of this. I can accept only a few of those aspects, but suddenly you want me to buy the idea that he is basically... everything? How does he feel about that? That he is beyond exceptional? That he is basically the ubermensch? stealthdasher said: There is a difference between drive and emotion. How can you have drive without the emotion to support it? You'd have to feel somewhat strongly about your goal to muster the motivation to achieve it, no? |
millie10468 said: No adaptation is perfect. Yes, the adaptation is making mistakes that could have been rectified in order to make this certain characteristics go down a lot easier. stealthdasher said: The adaptation hasn't missed much. It's been presented to you and it's your choice how you want to perceive it. Is it just me or what you two have said is contradictory? Seems like even the LN readers (assuming both of you are reading based on your comments) are not sure about the anime adaptation! So if anyone who is following the anime only thinks it is bad writing, I wouldn't blame them. Everyone has their own opinion on things they like or dislike. Some enjoy anime if they are liking it genuinely, and others will follow the anime despite criticizing it week-in-week-out. Hey! I have endured SAO last year and Strike the Blood early this year. And I didn't fail to show up in both the threads just to share my opinion (and they weren't pleasant for the fans of the novels either). Mahouka has its flaws but it is not a terrible anime and I look forward to it each week giving it a chance and hoping that it will get better. Just because I am watching it, doesn't mean I cannot share my displeasure if I don't like the episode, or just because I didn't like the episode and sharing my discontent, doesn't mean I am better of discontinuing. |
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shanimebib said: millie10468 said: No adaptation is perfect. Yes, the adaptation is making mistakes that could have been rectified in order to make this certain characteristics go down a lot easier. stealthdasher said: The adaptation hasn't missed much. It's been presented to you and it's your choice how you want to perceive it. Is it just me or what you two have said is contradictory? Seems like even the LN readers (assuming both of you are reading based on your comments) are not sure about the anime adaptation! So if anyone who is following the anime only thinks it is bad writing, I wouldn't blame them. Your misunderstanding. Of course this adaptation has it's flaws, like millie said no adaptation is perfect, though one or two flaws doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. Also I was only addressing Takuan's comment which seem to me was saying that the anime adaptation has been "missing" key things from the novels when it essentially hasn't. |
AzlanMay 28, 2014 4:24 AM
wrenchbread said: Your forgetting that this is adapted from around a 20-30 volume novel, which has a focus on building things up. These things require a bit more patience also why not try and have a good think about what the story told you so far. Regarding what we've been shown so far regarding Tatsuya is that he's a former soldier with powerful abilities & an adept magic engineer. Those are his two main credentials. Now you can either think why or wait to see if things will be revealed in the future. The drive to achieve a goal requires quite a few more factors as inputs rather than just a pure strong emotion. So what I'm basically trying to say is that a strong emotion is not the only trigger that is needed to accomplish a goal, there are a lot of other factors to be taken into consideration. |
AzlanMay 28, 2014 11:21 AM
| Kyaaa, Miyuki in her costume for the mirage bat was stellar Floating with Testsuya's new sequence looked even better This tech magic is so interesting as if it's possible in the future |
Your forgetting that this is adapted from around a 20-30 volume novel, which has a focus building things up. These things require a bit more patience also why not try and have a good think about what the story told you so far. Correction: adapted from at most 13 volumes, with signs of a halfway mark somewhere around the current volume. That's definitely a slow burn for anyone who's still waiting for the Yokohama arc somewhere along the road. Of course this adaptation has it's flaws, like millie said no adaptation is perfect, though one or two flaws doesn't necessarily mean it bad. I disagree. One flaw is all it takes for a person's interests in a series to topple like a line of dominoes. |
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Orix said: Correction: adapted from at most 13 volumes, with signs of a halfway mark somewhere around the current volume. That's definitely a slow burn for anyone who's still waiting for the Yokohama arc somewhere along the road. No I think this season will be adapted from a possible 7-8 volumes. The events of the Nine School Competition which is the arc we're currently at are quite interesting and we have Yokohama Disturbance coming up after that. So we're not asking for that much patience and what I was talking about is that these long volume light novel adaptations take a bit more time to get things rolling, than a 2hr 48 min movie. Though you can still look at what's been presented so far and depending on personal preference enjoy it for what it was, a introduction and possibly a taste of grander things to come. Orix said: I disagree. One flaw is all it takes for a person's interests in a series to topple like a line of dominoes. That kinda sucks for them while meanwhile myself,you and everyone else are quite interested on what's been offered. |
So we're not asking for that much patience and what I was talking about is that these long volume light novel adaptations take a bit more time to get things rolling, than a 2hr 48 min movie. Though you can still look at what's been presented so far and depending on personal preference enjoy it for what it was, a introduction and possibly a taste of grander things to come. Pretty much. At least it's not that boulder scene in Attack on Titan. Or Dragon Ball Z in general. That kinda sucks for them while meanwhile myself,you and everyone else are quite interested on what's been offered. It's signs of an aging and jaded anime fan, but everyone inevitably enters that stage. |
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| All I can say is that at least this Madhouse adaptation is criticized for it's perceived flaws and shortcomings on these boards unlike a certain other show that basically has a hype shield surrounding it for at least another month. If it weren't for some of the stupid petty personal arguing bullshit it'd make for much better threads (By MAL standards of course) cause at least there is some real discussion going on here other than "OH MY GOD TEH EPIC!!! DID YOU SEE THAT JOJO REFERENCE #3282?" over and over again. |
PeacingOutMay 28, 2014 10:34 AM
Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: All I can say is that at least this Madhouse adaptation is criticized for it's perceived flaws and shortcomings on these boards unlike a certain other show that basically has a hype shield surrounding it for at least another month. If it weren't for some of the stupid petty personal arguing bullshit it'd make for much better threads (By MAL standards of course) cause at least there is some real discussion going on here other than "OH MY GOD TEH EPIC!!! DID YOU SEE THAT JOJO REFERENCE #3282?" over and over again. Watching you go ballistic is better than munching on savory butter popcorn. Of course that is a false choice, because I can munch on the popcorn WHILE watching you go ballistic. BTW NGNL #8 ratcheted up another spot, and Madhouse did a really fine job at animating it. Well you clearly have your version of reality where everyone are evil haters and out to get your favorite shows in order to justify your laying on the passive aggressiveness and troll baiting which if I'm being honest is pretty bloody blatant to just about everyone at this point. You manage to equate calls for reason and simple opinions with people going ballistic so yeah you've got problems buddy sorry. Shits getting kind of old don't you think? You're like 90% of the reason that so many of these threads are such a chore to read with your overbearing victim complex and passive aggressiveness and yet you don't even seem to know it. Caleb has even tried to tell you that you're like completely out of touch with reality, others intent and even being able to read and interpret what's right in front of your face and he even agrees with you on that show for the most part which is pretty damning by MAL poster standards and yet you refuse to see it so I don't know other people are probably right, you're barely worth acknowledging to me beyond this point. I had some hope for you after some of our recent chats, but the passive aggressive thing is just too childish for me to deal with any more I'm sorry. Anyway there's something about this site that I just don't understand and it's that the most overwhelmingly liked, praised and hyped shows always seem to have the most paranoid and defensive fans thinking everyone else is out to get them and falsely criticize their treasured anime. I could name a few examples off the top of my head, but it'd be nice if people already knew what they were without me having to go out and state them. It's just kind of baffling IMO, but then much of the drama and politics that go on on these forums just seem so childish and nonsensical to me at the best of times. It's even weird how people do it to because they'll almost always be all like, "Why do you spend your time hating on this show....well I'll have you know that your opinion means jack shit because it has x number of favorites by other users and x ranking so **** you!" to which I've often wondered then why do people care so much about one critics independent opinion amid a sea of adulation. Feels like a childish form of peer pressure. Again just one more thing about this site that is starting to get kind of old and tired lately. AquaWateria said: You know the animated scenes in Hunter X Hunter ep 131 that was done by MadHouse was way better than NGNL episode 8 lol. Anyways aside from being off topic I really cant wait to see more of Erika and Mikihiko. Yeah that was a really good episode. Hunter x Hunter is so much better than both currently airing Madhouse adaptations this season, but then it has much better material to work from to start with IMO so it's little surprise. Still doesn't take away from the fact that it was really well realized in anime format. |
PeacingOutMay 28, 2014 11:29 AM
| RexZShadow: Yes and no, I guess? If an anime series doesn't interest me, I don't pick it up, and it spares me from the frustration of having to watch this to the end. [As you can see in my Anime List, "I don't usually drop series, but if I do, there's a really good reason for it."] And hate is a really strong word, really. Don't ask me about it; there's Kaioshin_Sama that can actually tell you some things about that. ;) just drop it already. You are making yourselves and others suffer your moaning. We dont promise you anything. We, the fan, find that this arc better than the last one but maybe it doesn't apply to you. Now, after 8 eps, you had already the bias in your head. You won't change your opinion, I'm sure of that. I'd rather not. Mahouka needs someone like Takuan_Soho who can break the monotony of episode threads by giving his own insights as an anime-only viewer. You fans of the LNs really need someone like him who "isn't blessed with the full knowledge of the source" to ask about a lot of things. |
OrixMay 28, 2014 5:51 PM
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