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| I'm so curious about who is approaching Sasuke. I don't remember the panel but they had pale legs ? This is why I thought it might be Zetsu, preparing to kill Sasuke off.. but I think it was mentioned that this person had great deal of chakra |
Starkk said: I'm so curious about who is approaching Sasuke. I don't remember the panel but they had pale legs ? This is why I thought it might be Zetsu, preparing to kill Sasuke off.. but I think it was mentioned that this person had great deal of chakra Karin should recognise Zetsu's chakra, so it can't be him. Even more so considering how White Zetsu has been dead for, what, 100 (?) chapters or so. Besides, Zetsu has Hashirama's cells, so Tobirama should've recognised that, but he didn't know who it was either. |
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yhunata said: Where was that stated? I do not remember at all. In fact, I had a theory back when I was in the MangaStream forums that Minato could use Sage Mode. I'll try to recreate my theory as much as I can remember; Chapter 412: "Not everybody is able to master this training. You could say it's only possible because it's you and Jiraiya-boy or else I wouldn't have even brought you here." Minatos Sage-Mode= Asspull yhunata said: Fukasaku and the other toads knew Minato. This is obvious, as they compared Naruto to Minato and Jiraiya, commenting that he had surpassed his predecessors (if I remember correctly, they said predecessors). But there weren't referring to Senjutsu. It was a general comparison like the thing with the FRS. |
Starkk said: I'm so curious about who is approaching Sasuke. I don't remember the panel but they had pale legs ? This is why I thought it might be Zetsu, preparing to kill Sasuke off.. but I think it was mentioned that this person had great deal of chakra Some speculate it's Kabuto, but we already know he was trapped. Even if he escaped why didn't karen recognize his chakra. Yamato doesn't have enough chakra to where him being at the battlefield would be believable. Besides, he was near death the last time we actually saw him, so if it was him how did he get so much power? Just two possibilities I'd like to throw out the window for now. I'm assuming it's either a character we haven't seen or one that has rarely been shown/ talked about during the storyline. Shisui would be my guess. It was never stated that he actually died. Being an Uchiha he should have immense chakra as well. It would make sense that if Itachi didn't kill Sasuke, he might not have killed him either. We all know by now that you only need to experience an horrific event of sorts in order to awaken the mangekyo sharingan. It was hinted at that he killed Shisui, but I wouldn't be so sure. |
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Behemoth11 said: yhunata said: Where was that stated? I do not remember at all. In fact, I had a theory back when I was in the MangaStream forums that Minato could use Sage Mode. I'll try to recreate my theory as much as I can remember; Chapter 412: "Not everybody is able to master this training. You could say it's only possible because it's you and Jiraiya-boy or else I wouldn't have even brought you here." Minatos Sage-Mode= Asspull Ah yes, now I remember. I'd say it's a bit too vague........... yeah, I'll shut up. Behemoth11 said: yhunata said: Fukasaku and the other toads knew Minato. This is obvious, as they compared Naruto to Minato and Jiraiya, commenting that he had surpassed his predecessors (if I remember correctly, they said predecessors). But there weren't referring to Senjutsu. It was a general comparison like the thing with the FRS. I can't understand how they could be comparing them generally. Naruto at that time was not even close to Minato's speed, nothing close to Minato's ability and let's not even talk about Jiraiya. The only thing he could've surpassed them in would be Senjutsu. Maybe badassery.... nah, can't be. |
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ToG25thBaam said: Norjack2 said: About Minato being able to use Senjutsu, he was the student of jiraiya, Jiraiya could have personally taught him how to use senjutsu. But besides from that, he was able to summon toads in the past, it wouldn't be surprising if he was also able to use senjutsu. But shouldn't the frog-jii said anything about it? I remember him mentioning about Jiraiya during their training, don't remember Minato being mentioned though. Fukasaku actually states when looking at Naruto fighting pain that he surpassed those that came before him. It shows Both Jiraiya and Minato, so maybe that's all that's needed to prove Minato had Sage Mode |
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Kowimen said: Super64ds said: How come Minato didn't use sage mode during the nine tails' attack and his battle with tobi (obito) that would've been a big help and Minato nearly has everything Naruto can do. He has the Rasengan, he has the tailed beast mode and sage mode too. It's possible that Yondaime is just adapting to the situations. I mean, why not? Even Jiraiya said, Minato was a genius. Because it takes a while to gather natural energy making it unpractical in battle! Once Madara appeared on the field he started to power up, Jesus! Actually use your brain for once! |
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Mobius_Trip said: ToG25thBaam said: Norjack2 said: About Minato being able to use Senjutsu, he was the student of jiraiya, Jiraiya could have personally taught him how to use senjutsu. But besides from that, he was able to summon toads in the past, it wouldn't be surprising if he was also able to use senjutsu. But shouldn't the frog-jii said anything about it? I remember him mentioning about Jiraiya during their training, don't remember Minato being mentioned though. Fukasaku actually states when looking at Naruto fighting pain that he surpassed those that came before him. It shows Both Jiraiya and Minato, so maybe that's all that's needed to prove Minato had Sage Mode Maybe Minato being a corpse with unlimited power granted him the ability to readily use senjutsu even though it was stated that he couldn't when he was living. The reason why he had not done so before during the war was merely because he knew he wasn't able to do so when he was alive so why would that change now? I'd think that in his dire situation he unconsciously used it. Mobius_Trip said: Because it takes a while to gather natural energy making it unpractical in battle! Once Madara appeared on the field he started to power up, Jesus! Actually use your brain for once! He was just standing there for the most part. As I said before, he could've unconsciously been storing energy before he went on the attack. It's a stretch but a possibility none the less. |
7thVoidFeb 19, 2014 12:03 PM
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Behemoth11 said: yhunata said: Where was that stated? I do not remember at all. In fact, I had a theory back when I was in the MangaStream forums that Minato could use Sage Mode. I'll try to recreate my theory as much as I can remember; Chapter 412: "Not everybody is able to master this training. You could say it's only possible because it's you and Jiraiya-boy or else I wouldn't have even brought you here." Minatos Sage-Mode= Asspull yhunata said: Fukasaku and the other toads knew Minato. This is obvious, as they compared Naruto to Minato and Jiraiya, commenting that he had surpassed his predecessors (if I remember correctly, they said predecessors). But there weren't referring to Senjutsu. It was a general comparison like the thing with the FRS. ACTUALLY: Fukasaku says: this is about you and Jiraiya SPECIFICALLY. This doesn't exclude Minato. The toad is simply connecting Naruto to Jiraiya because he had a connection to him, it wouldn't be ideal for the plot for nauto to learn his father was the 4th hokage at this point. SO by stating Jiraiya's name, naruto is getting eager to continue training. NEVER is it mentioned to exclusively belong to Naruto or Jiraiya. Minato's sage mode =/= asspull |
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| Naruto and Jiraiya were the only one who got the training from Fukasaku and also mastered Sage-Mode. Because only these two had enough chakra to master Senjutsu. Sure, Minato is therefore out of the picture. U-U And my translation is from Viz. |
Behemoth11 said: Naruto and Jiraiya were the only one who got the training from Fukasaku and also mastered Sage-Mode. Because only these two had enough chakra to master Senjutsu. Sure, Minato is therefore out of the picture. U-U And my translation is from Viz. Jiraiya never mastered sage mode tho... so what are you tryna imply by using that translation... |
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| He mastered sage-mode, otherwise he wouldn't use it, but coudn't handle the energy of nature perfectly. That's why he was looking more like a frog than Naruto. |
Behemoth11 said: He mastered sage-mode, otherwise he wouldn't use it, but coudn't handle the energy of nature perfectly. That's why he was looking more like a frog than Naruto. Incorrect. Jiraiya kept turning into a toad while in Sage Mode, which reveals that he had actually not mastered it, but only learned it enough to be able to use it. |
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| Fukasaku said he mastered Sage-Mode but not perfectly. ;3 |
| just wondering.....am i the only one running out of fucks to give about obito................i mean can someone get rid of that beaten dog sooner rather than later |
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| I've been lurking on the base and am livid cause I can't provide useful critical analyzation to that mess of a community. What I'd like to point out is that there's a reasoning for Minato and Naruto being paralleled so perfectly. Perhaps this is alluding to Naruto being well on his way to becoming the hokage, or has what it takes to become one. Because Minato clearly had to have gone through all of the training Naruto went through, but since the show is called Naruto, we see only Naruto training. And again, SM takes a while to enter making it impractical in his fight 17 years ago, he was pressed for time. While Madara was using TnJ he was gathering natural energy. Fukasaku compares Naruto to his predecessors. No point in revealing Minato as his father during his training to fight Pain as Naruto wasn't training to avenge him, he was training to avenge Jiraiya and hence why only Jiraiya was mentioned. Naruto used Jiraiya as inspiration for that training. Again, Minato's mentioning would've served no purpose. It was implied that Minato had it He couldn't use the two modes simultaneously like Naruto which is why he needed his natural chakra |
| Banishment, this world! |
| My question about the chapter is, what did Kakashi Kamui? I didn't get that part |
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| Isn't Kakashi blind now? |
| A change of heart. Dont know the reason really. |
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| Madara's gonna be in some big trouble if Obito gets his Sage powers back, and he already got the staff. |
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| Minato's senjutsu felt like it came out of nowhere...just due to the fact it was never mentioned before. Although as someone pointed out before in this thread, there was really no need to at the time. Still guess it's not really that surprising considering he was Jiraiya's student. Well now Obito's switched sides guessing he'll end up sacrificing his life which will buy them enough time to retrieve black Kurama so Naruto will live on. Judging from the last panel looks like he still has the Sage of the Sixth paths power or something? Sakura's expression's were priceless through out this chapter lol. |
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Mobius_Trip said: And again, SM takes a while to enter making it impractical in his fight 17 years ago, he was pressed for time. At the end of chapter 501 there was enough time to build some Sen-Chakra. You are trying to justify something that Kishi didn't even had in his mind when he draw Minatos fight with Obito. |
Kuro-chin said: Right, Obito who followed Madara for so long, trusted him and was loyal to him, suddenly turns? I don't believe it's really believable to write it like that. Well Naruto talked to him a while back so he was thinking about it for a while it wasn't just an impulse decision. |
| So Naruto is just going to...lay there...somehow surviving for awhile huh... Naruto is pulling a planet namek on me. |
hyperknees91Feb 19, 2014 4:36 PM
| Nooo, Kishi you can't ruin Minato! He's one of the best characters in this manga, dammit! Obito can just be simply forgiven like that, just by becoming the good guy after Naruto's talk no jutsu... I guess we can predict that he will die as a hero or something like that, but just thinking about it makes me feel depressed. Looks like we will meet Mysterious Foot next week, it better be something good. Reminds me that I need to finally pick up 666 Satan manga, lolz. |
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Behemoth11 said: Mobius_Trip said: And again, SM takes a while to enter making it impractical in his fight 17 years ago, he was pressed for time. At the end of chapter 501 there was enough time to build some Sen-Chakra. You are trying to justify something that Kishi didn't even had in his mind when he draw Minatos fight with Obito. Well, Minato wouldn't have made it in time to teleport the Kyuubi's attack at 502 if he spend time gathering Sen-Chakra. That whole Obito-Kyuubi situation was a big time rush. Although, it's debatable if Sen-Chakra was needed at that point of time. In my opinion, just because someone own a Ferrari doesn't mean he'll have to rev it up to full speed all the time. Which is why I felt Sen-Chakra wasn't needed. He won the fight against Obito, sealed the Kyuubi and would have died anyway after using the fuuin jutsu. Being in SM wouldn't have saved him. Of course there is this possibility that Kishimoto didn't even have this in his mind at that point of the manga. |
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて |
-Klad- said: pls tell me that was sarcasm?Obito just kicks ass !! I loved his talk , no wonder he is the best character in the manga !! |
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Benphyre said: Well, Minato wouldn't have made it in time to teleport the Kyuubi's attack at 502 if he spend time gathering Sen-Chakra. That whole Obito-Kyuubi situation was a big time rush. At the end in chapter 501 he was preparing for the incoming fight. In chapter 665 there was even less time. We are talking about a few seconds to stay still and gather the energy of nature. Or do you think Madaras talking was dragging on even longer? During Narutos training with Fukasaku it was never implied that Minato passed the same sort of traing. No, Fukasaku said he only brought Naruto and Jiraiya because they had enough Chakra for Senjutsu. Minato had in the beginning of the series less chakra than Naruto and Jiraiya. If someone has not much chakra, he isn't able to master Senjutsu, as we have seen it by Kabuto and Orochimaru. Kabuto had to take the energy of others-especially Orochimaru- because his own chakra wasn't enough. The other thing is that, that Sage-Mode gives the user a stronger form of chakra. The version of the toad's has also it's own specialities like enhanced strength and so on. That had been useful at the fight at the Kannabi-Bridge, but Minato didn't used Sage-Mode=> because it was never planned for him. Minatos Sage-Mode was affect based. Heck, Kishimoto even stated that he did things out of the blue. |
Behemoth11 said: We are talking about a few seconds to stay still and gather the energy of nature. Or do you think Madaras talking was dragging on even longer? A few seconds worth of gathering wouldn't be sufficient. It has been proven that Sen-Chakra do run out. Gathering duration does matter. At least Naruto has bunshin(s) gathering Sen-Chakra for him. Whereas for Minato, the few seconds of energy gathering time you mention just wouldn't be efficient in a fight. Other than that I agree with everything else you said. Minato's SM probably wasn't planned. In my opinion it was totally pointless. If he was meant to get pwned by Madara, SM or not really makes no difference. Not to mention it seems that his SM rasengan didn't even Kakashi much. As of now there are way too many plot holes in just one chapter. I still don't understand how Naruto is still surviving and how the supposedly soon to be dead Obito is acting so normal. |
Stay in yesterday 時を止めて |
| Another thing: Do you think the possibility for Mr. X turning out to be Kabuto became with the last chapter less? |
Kyuutoryuu said: More Talk no Jutsu from Madara this chapter. And the chapter ends with... Obito finally being won over by Talk no Jutsu! Didn't see that one coming... Is That Sarcasm i Hear? ;) |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
| Haha...So Rin's Memory is More Stronger that Madara's Words...Well Obito is not going to Survive the War, Sins are too great. And Whose Want to Bet That madara Pull One again Some crazy Powerup in His ASS and wipe Obito out? No One? I though So. Minato get beaten so Easily, lol, Well it is Toad Sage mode vs Rikkudo Sennin Sage Mode. Of course it would lose. |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
Behemoth11 said: Isn't Kakashi blind now? I don't recall that happening, but it has been a while since we last saw him. |
| The Will of Rin completely shits on Senju DNA |
| This chapter was great, I expected a little more but it was still enjoyable and exciting. Either way, people comparing Masked Man to Obito are totally clueless, it's like comparing Anbu Kakashi to what he is now, no just no. Tobi was 17 years old when he fought his own sensei and he still gave him quite a hard time, Minato barely owned him, he landed one rasengan, I would hardly call that "owning" someone,Hidan getting blown to pieces is what I would call pure ownage. Anyway Tobi was punished for trying to engage in a close-quarter combat where Minato had the advantage due to his Kunais being scattered around. Sucking him is a no go, he couldn't suck him once, probably because the speed of his Kamui wasn't optimized and Flying Raijin is isntant, my guess would have been to try several attempts at sucking him while taking a good look at where his kunais are thrown, that way Minato would have lost a lot of chakra while Obito's chakra is greatly preserved and his sharingan leaves him no exhaustion due to Senju DNA. Okay aside from that, great chapter, I want to know more about the Mysterious Figure and Obito sucking the SO6P's chakra to turn it into a scepter was quite surprising. I just hope he doesn't die a horrible death, at least I would want to watch him die as a hero. The next chapter is the chapter 666, I suspect Madara's evil powers to trigger and him going on a rampage, it would be about time. 666, if you know what I mean. |
| "The war has already begun... My name no longer matters. You can call me by my old name, Tobi, if you prefer. Madara, Tobi... call me whatever you want." |
| Obito is gonna die anyway. Madara will take his eye and Yin-Kurama back and kill him, but I am curious whether Obito will help Naruto before that. |
| Obito is op :OOOO |
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| You know what?? I just thought of something. What if that mysterious figure turns out to be DANZO!! Now i know people are thinking "he's dead already" but you forget this is naruto after all, since this series went down a path of edo tensie being used a plot device to revive so many characters its not with out the realm of possibility. Also its really reflected in the current filler arc of shippuuden if any one is actually watching that (if you can even call it filler) i refuse to believe it, i think kishimoto has some involvement in it. Anyways it would definitely put into perspective a whole different twist on the story and sasuke is the one that killed Danzo, he could be coming back for revenge. If their was ever a villain i truly detested in the shinobi world, its Danzo, that mother fcker has basically spear headed many of the events that have transpired resulting in war and people getting killed, the reason konoho is an enemy in the eyes of many. Orichimaru noticed a dark presence as well and their connections way back in history, and i was just thinking, since this new filler is exploring danzo and orichomaru and their involvement with hiruzen and how danzo betrayed the hidden leaf village, orichimaru going rogue, etc. Orochimaru also played a role in implanting Hashirama Senju's DNA into his right arm, modifying his physical energy prior to the addition of ten Sharingan on the limb. Itachi also believed Danzo had no intention of honoring his promise of sparing Sasuke when he accepted the mission to massacre his own clan and had to threaten to leak Konoha's secrets to enemy villages and risk his own safety by returning to Konoha after Hiruzen's death to ensure Sasuke's safety. He was willing to do anything to further his physical and political powers, as shown in allowing himself to be experimented on with Hashirama's cells by Orochimaru in order to gain the power to control a tailed beast and extend his use of Izanagi. Danzo was also the leader of Root and was known as the "Darkness of the shinobi" see a connection? (Orochomaru mentioned a darkness presence) Also if you look at his legs very closely, they resemble Danzo's legs as well during an old age. This may be a hint that kishimoto is trying to forshadow upon us. Now i believe parts of these events are more detailed information that kishi never was able to write in the manga so he decided to cover it in the anime with some work with collaborating with the studio. Danzo is a pretty critical character in the core story before this story went all dbz ape shit with the sage of SO6P 10 tails, madara becoming a god, etc. I mean at the end of the day its Danzo, the sole reason orichomaru became the way he is and getting into the dark experiments of using hashirama cells, creating edo tensei and trying to gain immortality and all that. If that fcker was dead, alot of these events would never have transpired. So he plays a very critical role to the way many of the events turned out. Yes for sure it all dates back to the 2nd hokage being the reason all hell broke loose and wars erupted between the senju and uchiha clans but danzo still had a pretty big part to play in all of this. So yeah if it was danzo looking for revenge of some sort for sasuke, that would really put a whole spin on the story and what might his actual involvement be this time, maybe madara secretly orchestrated for him to be revived, who knows. Just think what everyone would think if danzo was on the battlefield. Minato, obito, sasuke and especially Hiruzen. It is just my speculation so take it with a grain salt. |
ArtimesGamerFeb 20, 2014 3:21 PM
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| Mr.X is a plot device to save Sasuke and maybe even Naruto. He will also give them propably another power-up. Karin would also recognize Danzōs chakra, so it can't be him. |
Behemoth11 said: Obito is gonna die anyway. Madara will take his eye and Yin-Kurama back and kill him, but I am curious whether Obito will help Naruto before that. I'm sure he will since he is against Madara now. And besides Naruto and the rest of them need all the help they can get right now. |
| Minato in sage mode, didn't see that coming.. Madara is a member of tartarus confirmed.. |
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| So who do you think would win in a fight, Madara, or Joe from Toriko lol. |
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