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| You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? Hatred begets hatred, trying to justify either side is a waste of time. I'm sure there's people who resent America, just as there's people here who think blacks should still be enslaved or Native Americans be driven further west into the Pacific. You're going to have these people no matter where or when, just like Bin Laden's great grandchildren may end up being hardworking, honest folks and will still be hated for their ancestry. In short, it's just an excuse for people to remain backwards. |
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| Probably. Though not as a country. More as a "only old people". |
Aryna said: Ratohnhaketon said: You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? I'd just like to say, comparing Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima isn't really fair. Pearl Harbour was an attack on a military base, Hiroshima was an attack on a densely populated civilian area in order to take as many lives as possible. Not to mention Pearl Harbor was a minor attack which led to absolutely insignificant casualties if you look at the whole scale of WWII. Its only significance is that it caused the USA to enter the war in the first place. If that happened in any other period of war, it wouldn't even deserve a mention in history books since there were thousands of Pearl Harbors over the course of WWII. And regarding the topic... well, Japan is the only country in the world where Obama is popular among more than 50% of population according to polls (and more popular than the Japan's own prime minister), so yeah... don't think the Japanese as a whole resent the USA that much. |
seishi-sama said: Aryna said: Ratohnhaketon said: You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? I'd just like to say, comparing Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima isn't really fair. Pearl Harbour was an attack on a military base, Hiroshima was an attack on a densely populated civilian area in order to take as many lives as possible. Not to mention Pearl Harbor was a minor attack which led to absolutely insignificant casualties if you look at the whole scale of WWII. Its only significance is that it caused the USA to enter the war in the first place. If that happened in any other period of war, it wouldn't even deserve a mention in history books since there were thousands of Pearl Harbors over the course of WWII. And regarding the topic... well, Japan is the only country in the world where Obama is popular among more than 50% of population according to polls (and more popular than the Japan's own prime minister), so yeah... don't think the Japanese as a whole resent the USA that much. Shouldn't you be out pretending Obamacare didn't pass? |
j0x said: ask DateYutaka since as a japanese he got a grudge on america lol but i bet minority of japanese are like DateYutaka though since they are more concerned about everyday life and how to make their economy rise again DateYutaka said: thay opccpied us for years Welp good call j0x |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
SolviteSekai said: This thread is a joke. Welcome to DramaEnthusiast. OT; Obviously, there are still people who resent America for the atomic bombings, just like how there are Americans who resent Japan for Pearl Harbour. However, they are in the minority. |
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Aryna said: its more along the lines that pearl harbor was the first strike that led to an entire war on the pacific front, in some peoples mindsets the couple million or so soldiers on both sides that lost their lives in that war can be directly placed on that moment, i dont agree to that but that is what some people think, and in that regard yah pearl harbor is worse than hiroshima for the aftermath it causedRatohnhaketon said: You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? I'd just like to say, comparing Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima isn't really fair. Pearl Harbour was an attack on a military base, Hiroshima was an attack on a densely populated civilian area in order to take as many lives as possible. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
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DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Aryna said: its more along the lines that pearl harbor was the first strike that led to an entire war on the pacific front, in some peoples mindsets the couple million or so soldiers on both sides that lost their lives in that war can be directly placed on that moment, i dont agree to that but that is what some people think, and in that regard yah pearl harbor is worse than hiroshima for the aftermath it causedRatohnhaketon said: You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? I'd just like to say, comparing Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima isn't really fair. Pearl Harbour was an attack on a military base, Hiroshima was an attack on a densely populated civilian area in order to take as many lives as possible. My point has nothing to do with the magnitude of the events, but rather that people are going to look for reasons to draw resentment and play the blame game. And let's be real - the bombing of Japan was not as clear cut as "take as many civvies as possible", it was an act of desperation on America's part. But back to my main point, the people responsible for that era are long gone or no longer in power. Holding resentment against generations afterwards is stupid and for some reason several humans have some hard on for pretending that responsibility for the actions of those before is inherited at birth. |
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| Yessir. This is true for every country that has been in conflict with another. |
DramaEnthusiast said: they still hold some fear and seated resentment of us? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzmgyFQNvvU What do you think? |
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| Sure, but it's stupid to think bad of the people that weren't even involved in the incident. |
| It would be illogical to say there aren't people who feel that way. And if I had to guess, I'd say most the people who make that group are 45+ years old. |
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| I'd rather have them to show resentment towards America for current policies than the past, we all need to move on from all this WWII business. The current pandering to the West Japan is doing though and it's encouragement has to stop. |
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| Older generations and the ignorant do. I mean, have you SEEN the shit that went on twitter from Americans when the tsunami hit? |
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| Why wouldn't they? |
| I think every country hates America |
JD2411 said: No without reason.I think every country hates America |
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Krunchy said: JD2411 said: No without reason.I think every country hates America Most places there isn't any real reason, but quite a few have a reason usually due to a war, politics, or how a war was handled in that country. |
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Hoppy said: i think krunchy meant to say not without reason but accidentally missed the t keyKrunchy said: JD2411 said: No without reason.I think every country hates America Most places there isn't any real reason, but quite a few have a reason usually due to a war, politics, or how a war was handled in that country. and if we really need to get specific, yes most countries hate america, cause most countries hate most other countries, xenaphobia runs rampant in this day and age and people are brainwashed into thinking their shitty peice of rocks floating in the ocean is better than all the other shitty rocks floating in the ocean |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
DJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Hoppy said: i think krunchy meant to say not without reason but accidentally missed the t keyKrunchy said: JD2411 said: No without reason.I think every country hates America Most places there isn't any real reason, but quite a few have a reason usually due to a war, politics, or how a war was handled in that country. and if we really need to get specific, yes most countries hate america, cause most countries hate most other countries, xenaphobia runs rampant in this day and age and people are brainwashed into thinking their shitty peice of rocks floating in the ocean is better than all the other shitty rocks floating in the ocean Well I find it annoying how Americanized the modern world is and how patriotic a lot of Americans are. I completely agree with you on the whole floating rock thing though |
JD2411 said: Guess what, the rest of the world is exactly the same, almost every country has way too much pride in themselves and localize the things around them when brought over shores. America is no worse nor better than places like japan or spain in regards to that. Every country has xenaphobes way too full of themselves and if you think anyone else(unless referring to places like north korea where people are legitimently brainwashed under the threat of death) is worse than your just helping contribute to said xenaphobiaDJIzzyIzzyHitler said: Hoppy said: i think krunchy meant to say not without reason but accidentally missed the t keyKrunchy said: JD2411 said: No without reason.I think every country hates America Most places there isn't any real reason, but quite a few have a reason usually due to a war, politics, or how a war was handled in that country. and if we really need to get specific, yes most countries hate america, cause most countries hate most other countries, xenaphobia runs rampant in this day and age and people are brainwashed into thinking their shitty peice of rocks floating in the ocean is better than all the other shitty rocks floating in the ocean Well I find it annoying how Americanized the modern world is and how patriotic a lot of Americans are. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Aryna said: Ratohnhaketon said: You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? I'd just like to say, comparing Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima isn't really fair. Pearl Harbour was an attack on a military base, Hiroshima was an attack on a densely populated civilian area in order to take as many lives as possible. While yes an atomic bombing can't really be compared to anything else, Pearl Harbor is still an incident that people don't forget. The Japanese had no real cause to attack us the way they did, it was completely out of the blue simply because they decided they would rather side with a maniacal genocidal leader. Heck man, we weren't even in the war yet for crying out loud... Though when Japan brought us into the war it did allow us to fight with the Allies and defeat Germany before they were fortified and ready (on D day, Hitler refused to move his tanks up to the coastline, we may have lost if he had did that) Using nuclear war is truly an awful thing and I don't think it can ever be fully justified, but there is also truth that America would have likely lost a hundreds of thousands of soldiers fighting Japan if we had not done that. Half of their troops were willing to kamikaze us... There's no way else to fight that without massive casualties. And lets not forget again, Japan started it. Should we lose hundreds of thousands because they sided with Hitler? Mostly just raising questions with no definitive answers, only opinions... I have no clue how the Japanese feel about it but most people from back then have passed on or are about to. |
LayedBackOct 7, 2013 11:05 AM
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LayedBack said: Aryna said: Ratohnhaketon said: You mention Hiroshima, but what about Pearl Harbor? I'd just like to say, comparing Pearl Harbour and Hiroshima isn't really fair. Pearl Harbour was an attack on a military base, Hiroshima was an attack on a densely populated civilian area in order to take as many lives as possible. While yes an atomic bombing can't really be compared to anything else, Pearl Harbor is still an incident that people don't forget. The Japanese had no real cause to attack us the way they did, it was completely out of the blue simply because they decided they would rather side with a maniacal genocidal leader. Heck man, we weren't even in the war yet for crying out loud... Though when Japan brought us into the war it did allow us to fight with the Allies and defeat Germany before they were fortified and ready (on D day, Hitler refused to move his tanks up to the coastline, we may have lost if he had did that) Using nuclear war is truly an awful thing and I don't think it can ever be fully justified, but there is also truth that America would have likely lost a hundreds of thousands of soldiers fighting Japan if we had not done that. Half of their troops were willing to kamikaze us... There's no way else to fight that without massive casualties. And lets not forget again, Japan started it. Should we lose hundreds of thousands because they sided with Hitler? Mostly just raising questions with no definitive answers, only opinions... I have no clue how the Japanese feel about it but most people from back then have passed on or are about to. It wasn't completely out of the blue. Japanese-American relations had been very tense and the reason the US positioned a fleet at Pearl Harbour was to keep an eye on Japan. Also Japan did send a declaration of war it just arrived late |
JD2411 said: It wasn't completely out of the blue. Japanese-American relations had been very tense and the reason the US positioned a fleet at Pearl Harbour was to keep an eye on Japan. Also Japan did send a declaration of war it just arrived late Your right but at the end of the day Japan consciously decided to side with a crazy man who tried to wipe out half of the world. Japan also consciously decided to go to war with us and what that decision meant was that America would have to lose hundreds of thousands of troops to fight them. And that was Japan's decision not ours. Again I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to know and understand everything about this. It's really all shades of gray and opinions here... Though I think most people do believe now that nuclear warfare shouldn't be used simply because if every country used them it would devastate the planet and everyone on it. |
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| Here is a little analogy which I can give for Pearl Harbor vs Hiroshima/Nagasaki. Some asshole comes up to you and punches you in your face when you aren't looking to steal your wallet. You turn around and break all his ribs, dislocate his shoulder, and then spit on him. I thought I would extend this analogy about what happened post war. You then visit this thief at the hospital everyday and help him with his recovery. You pay for his rehab and train him to be even stronger. The damage that happened to him would never fully recover, but you train him in a way to make him much stronger in other areas to sort of make up for his permanent injuries. The thief ends up recovering and becomes a respected man wherever he goes. No one respects him for his physical strength or aggression anymore, but rather he has developed new strengths that the world admires. |
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LayedBack said: JD2411 said: It wasn't completely out of the blue. Japanese-American relations had been very tense and the reason the US positioned a fleet at Pearl Harbour was to keep an eye on Japan. Also Japan did send a declaration of war it just arrived late Your right but at the end of the day Japan consciously decided to side with a crazy man who tried to wipe out half of the world. Japan also consciously decided to go to war with us and what that decision meant was that America would have to lose hundreds of thousands of troops to fight them. And that was Japan's decision not ours. Again I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to know and understand everything about this. It's really all shades of gray and opinions here... Though I think most people do believe now that nuclear warfare shouldn't be used simply because if every country used them it would devastate the planet and everyone on it. I think Japan only sided with the axis powers in Europe so they actually had allies lol And you can't ignore the fact that many Japanese people lost their lives as well and a lot of them were innocent civilians who died during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. War is a tragedy to both sides |
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JD2411 said: And you can't ignore the fact that many Japanese people lost their lives as well and a lot of them were innocent civilians who died during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. War is a tragedy to both sides No we certainly can't ignore that. It's perhaps the most relevant and important thing that happened in the war. But let us also consider that back then things were very different. Nuclear technology was in its infancy, Europe has been almost entirely torn to pieces and a monster was in control of a vast part of the world. We didn't have the luxury of years of peace to think about the consequences of using nuclear bombs. In fact, we were all pretty much terrified that if we didn't obtain nuclear technology and use it first, then Hitler certainly would and perhaps even Japan would do it to us. So it was a very scary and confusing decision. We now think using nukes are wrong but back then we know for sure Germany would have done it, and likely Japan too. So being moral about it the issue could have resulted in our own demise. Again though, I do think it's wrong. I just respect that the people back then faced a very tough decision and it's a heck of a lot different in the middle of a world war with new technology. |
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JD2411 said: LayedBack said: JD2411 said: It wasn't completely out of the blue. Japanese-American relations had been very tense and the reason the US positioned a fleet at Pearl Harbour was to keep an eye on Japan. Also Japan did send a declaration of war it just arrived late Your right but at the end of the day Japan consciously decided to side with a crazy man who tried to wipe out half of the world. Japan also consciously decided to go to war with us and what that decision meant was that America would have to lose hundreds of thousands of troops to fight them. And that was Japan's decision not ours. Again I'm not qualified or knowledgeable enough to know and understand everything about this. It's really all shades of gray and opinions here... Though I think most people do believe now that nuclear warfare shouldn't be used simply because if every country used them it would devastate the planet and everyone on it. I think Japan only sided with the axis powers in Europe so they actually had allies lol And you can't ignore the fact that many Japanese people lost their lives as well and a lot of them were innocent civilians who died during Hiroshima and Nagasaki. War is a tragedy to both sides Just to deter slightly from the nuke talk, even Japan had their share of the slaughter too. They butchered many Chinese and Filipino civilians and even POWs during the war. But yeah, war is indeed a tragedy no matter which side you're on. The nuclear weapons cannot be justified in any way, nor is there a right or wrong belief or good or bad side. People will go on and on about "were the atomic bombs really necessary?" or "The Japanese were already surrendering at that point, that's a bit unfair" yada yada yada, etc. etc. but it's just one of those things that you can't answer well at all, whatever perspective you do it from. Least, that's what I think. |
dietmangoOct 7, 2013 11:48 AM
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| If America didn't drop the bomb, Hitler certainly would have on enemies and well as allies. Hitler wanted a German world. He believe Germans were the superior race and wanted to rid the world of every "inferior race" So if you think about it, there was really no escape from Nuclear warfare. He was already working on nuclear technology. Also Hitler wasn't exactly the type of guy to negotiate. His decisions were permanent. |
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| I had on mind more concert reasons like International relations, example - USA decisions are more focused on thier own benefits, while Europe want good for everyone. Also american Secret bases in Poland piss me off, our goverment lick their asses while we havent any profits from that. |
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naens said: SOExclusive said: If America didn't drop the bomb, Hitler certainly would have on enemies and well as allies. There was no Hitler at that time. SOExclusive said: He was already working on nuclear technology. Also Hitler wasn't exactly the type of guy to negotiate. His decisions were permanent. What do you think would of happened if America, Britain and France (3 main powers) lost the war. You think Hitler would kindly lived his life knowing other "inferior race" existed. To take out his allies (Japan, Italy, Russia), he would of certainly dropped THE bomb on all 3 countries, no hesitation. America bombed Hiroshima and for revenge. Set an example. Main goal was to prove a point. If Hitler won, he would of bombed all 3. Prove power by example. Main goal would be total annihilation and extermination. |
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MellowJello said: Look at us speaking for Japan. Mmmmmm... smells like... smells like... a pointless discussion? Yup. Im actually speaking for Germany lol I dont think Germans would disagree with my point |
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