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SupaNiper said: Finchenzo said: When Dr. Jaeger give serum to Eren. he say that Eren must embrace that "power" and his memories will help him to use it. Did that means Eren really change into titan before that time? Hannes maybe a drunkard, but he is clearly not coward, he goes to the frontline with max death flag this time. That contradict the first time when he flees from titan that eating Eren's mom. Did he really frightened to death that time? He plan to fight that time, but suddenly shocked after seeing titan's face, grab Eren and Mikasa, and run away. He then cry and say that Eren was not strong enough to fight titan. My guess, he recognize that titan was actually Dr. Jaeger, he lost control and accidentally eating his wife! That means Hannes know about Dr. Jaeger and titan power. That's why Dr. Jaeger become so depressed, he is crying when giving Eren the serum. -.- Implying that Grisha is a titan = Stupid as fuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Disregarding any possibility = Stupid as FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK |
| I am really not liking Ymir/Reiner and their obsession with Christa... What will Christa think of all this? i hope Eren take Christa hostage to piss both of them fuckers off. |
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SupaNiper said: Darklight0303 said: SupaNiper said: Finchenzo said: When Dr. Jaeger give serum to Eren. he say that Eren must embrace that "power" and his memories will help him to use it. Did that means Eren really change into titan before that time? Hannes maybe a drunkard, but he is clearly not coward, he goes to the frontline with max death flag this time. That contradict the first time when he flees from titan that eating Eren's mom. Did he really frightened to death that time? He plan to fight that time, but suddenly shocked after seeing titan's face, grab Eren and Mikasa, and run away. He then cry and say that Eren was not strong enough to fight titan. My guess, he recognize that titan was actually Dr. Jaeger, he lost control and accidentally eating his wife! That means Hannes know about Dr. Jaeger and titan power. That's why Dr. Jaeger become so depressed, he is crying when giving Eren the serum. -.- Implying that Grisha is a titan = Stupid as fuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Disregarding any possibility = Stupid as FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK Maybe i exaggerated a little with my comment. I wouldn't say that i disregard any possibility tough. Grisha has something to do with the titans that's for sure. But him being a titan?(Specially that titan who ate Erens mom) No. If that's the case it better have a damn good explanation. As we have seen in the Manga, Everything is realistic and has logic. Of course titan aren't real, but you get what i'm saying. So when I see a theory that has almost no logic at all, and are total asspulls i get a little irritated. I should have replied with a little more of a "mature" comment. But as young as i am, what would you expect. So where did he go? If he is not dead. He's certainly not in the walls, it appears, so maybe he is hiding out in the village of Titans? |
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| Gotta be one of the chapters that show this franchise has great way of developing their characters. I especially liked Bertholdt's dialogues which kinda make him a character we can symphatize to. |
| I would LOOOVE it if Eren goes up to Ymir and then stares at her: "You hag, pedophile" or something cloe to that xD Bertholdt's previously non-existent character is somehow sympathizable now? Still doesn't wash away his crimes. |
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OnePieceQ8 said: lol Bert has feelings for Annie !? didn't see that coming. Yeah didn't see that one coming either....sorta cute but unlikely to have a good ending for them 2 as characters of this series. I've got a theory as to why they want to kill the people behind the wall, maybe it's because they are people who protected themselves from the titans and shunned the rest of the world, causing nothing but hatred towards them from the people who survived. Ymir's theory suggests that Eren might have killed someone when he became a titan for the first time, probably his own father. |
| YOu guys dont think the gorilla titan has something to do with the humans turning in titans ? When he was in the village, Connie's Mom turned into a Titan (that's for sure) she said welcombe back she was in the house + Reiner told him to shut up, probably beceause he knew something, like he knows how humans turn in titans. I also think Reiner, Bert and Annie want to do something good, their cause, their village got destroyed or something like that maybe ? |
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| some many questions always! xD i couldnt belive Ymir agreed to help Reiner and Bert...i thought she would side with Eren but realy i wonder why the heck Reiner and Bert broke the walls? and that furry titan....did they like forgot on him? shouldnt they like start looking for him if he is inside the walls? xD |
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xtremexx said: Fairly sure Christa's leg is gone, unless she is a titan which would be quite a shock. yep that leg is gone. |
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| Dang im sooo curious already about the story of their side, i mean i can't wait about unveiling the story of how they became titan and what is/are the cause the titan transformation (except eren we already know how he got his powers). And colossal titans being used as pillars in the wall. |
devilscornerJul 21, 2013 9:45 AM
Lol HE stares too much? Isn't it Reiner who always talked to Annie? Hahahahah (at least in anime.. im forgetting the manga parts, sorry) |
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| Why does everyone think that Christa leg is gone? I don't see it, no matter how I look at that page. She was inside the whole time, no body parts was outside in between the mouth at all. I'm sure that Ymir was careful enough not to hurt Christa. |
SupaNiper said: I thought the stuff sticking out was her 3DMG and cape?Rakkimi said: Why does everyone think that Christa leg is gone? I don't see it, no matter how I look at that page. She was inside the whole time, no body parts was outside in between the mouth at all. I'm sure that Ymir was careful enough not to hurt Christa. yaminogame91 said: xtremexx said: Fairly sure Christa's leg is gone, unless she is a titan which would be quite a shock. yep that leg is gone. |
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| Really interested about the furry titan. He may seem to know a few hidden truths about the titans. . |
KvshiJul 23, 2013 4:41 PM
| I'm pretty sure Ymir is mindful about her legs at least. No matter how I look at it, it looks like a 3DMG and a cape to me :> |
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GodlyKyon said: I'm pretty sure Ymir is mindful about her legs at least. No matter how I look at it, it looks like a 3DMG and a cape to me :> This. |
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vlasic said: Interesting that Ymir is 60 years old. So she either became a titan or discovered could transform 47 years after titans first appeared. But Ymir's people are all outside the wall. If she became a titan while inside the wall, people would've known about it. And she wasn't the only one since many titans knew her. So people were living outside the walls decades after titans appeared? Same goes w/Reiner, Berholdt. We know the monkey titan has a way of turning people into titans. I'm just wondering if titans were once humans, why attack other titans-shifters? It seems those who can consciously shift are different than all the titans who were once human and now mindlessly eat people. Reiner, Berholdt became titans presumably after Ymir ate their friend, otherwise they would've transformed and beat Ymir. I think some people became shifters after titans appeared but shfiters existed way before like the ones making up the wall. I imagine because of the lack of aging, becoming titans was thought to be a way to reach immortality, like so many other series. But that experiment failed and many people were sacrificed to become part of the wall to protect people still remaining. My guess is that the monkey titan turned Ymir and her people into titans 60 plus years ago just like he did Connie's village, and after Ymir regained consciousness, she gained the ability to shift at will. I don't know if the same happened to B+R or if they were born with the ability, but Ymir's titan form seems to be closer to the type of titan (less than 10m) we see mindlessly attacking people, in contrast to B+R+A+E's titan forms, which are bigger and more unique, so I'm inclined to agree with you about there being different types of titans: B+R+A (preexisting the wall), Ymir (turned later on?), Eren (???). About the time Ymir ate their friend, I think it was nighttime when it happened, so that might be a factor to why B+R didn't transform and beat Ymir (either they really couldn't transform at night, or they didn't know they can). Still, it doesn't rule out the possibility that they only became titans after this incident. vlasic said: And the reason Eren holds a lot of interest is because he became a titan while inside the wall, meaning there was a way to become a titan in a different way than how Ymir, Reiner, and Berholdt became titans. That's probably why he's the key. Crista is also seen as an intel source I guess that's why they kidnap her. This seems like the most likely reason to me. zellami said: Her reversal date and circumstances are under question - apparently Ymir could turn into a titan and reverse into human after 845 and still might not remember a thing. Hence, how many times she has been switching back and forth (in my opinion, really) all these years (also, before 845), is unclear. The only difference I see after 845, is that she had more fears that going into her titan-form could lead to another 60 years of nightmares and (the new, more important development) in this state she won't remember Christa. In addition: the real question is whether Ymir needed the breach of Wall Maria to enter the humankind area. Did she enter Wall Maria as a titan (following the titans lot, attracted by the human-titans to Wall Maria), or as a human, like Reiner and Bert (and Annie) into Wall Rose all the way to Wall Sina (where [?] she overheard the story about Christa's banishment from the family)? What is clear is that she settled in Wall Rose with Christa in the Training Corps (848), but (hinted) they somehow knew each other before that - Christa asked Ymir if she had joined the Training Corps because of her [Christa], to which Ymir answered "Because of me", but the point is that they decided pretty much like Eren, Armin, and Mikasa did. Ymir is an interesting character. To me, she really resembles the Beast Titan in features (more bestial, apish); she also shares (to a different degree) his abilities - communicating in titan-form, climbing walls, rocks and trees (also shapes nails like Annie), falling, going down without problem from really high places; she comes off selfish, but she might be mean as well. She is connected to some sort of social titan structure and perhaps of a significant status. If Ymir wasn't originally human, then I think it's possible that she's related to the monkey titan+titan society and that she already had the shifting ability before getting stuck in the mindless titan state for 60 years (possibly induced by the monkey titan?). So far, from the known instances where she's shifted after regaining consciousness, she seems to be in control of herself like Eren, so I'm not entirely sure if there's a possibility of her suddenly regressing back to that mindless state. What I'm wondering is why she entered the humankind area in the first place, because I think it can answer how she went about it (as a human or titan). Was it for the same reason as R+B (whatever it is), to escape the mindless titans, or something else? zellami said: What I didn't understand from the last chapter was the power struggle b/w the trio. The situation is clearly to Ymir's advantage in terms of mobility, but her titan form in terms of power is weak, compared to the Colossal and Armored titans. Her options in the situation are better than theirs, but yet - how come she attacked successfully the village of the boys in the past. True, she wasn't alone, but weren't they human-titans then? Is it only Christa that keeps her from joining them or she fears something in their village or organisation? Also, how about Reiner and Bert's goals. Currently, they should escape the Scouting Legion and the mindless titans attacks. They wanted to go their village. Then they speak about finding a coordinator (possibly a traitor in the cult or the nobles), then it becomes "that" (a person or an object?), and retrieving Annie from the underground cell (because their can die an early death or were sent to die). I mean, come on - they have to go back to Wall Rose and Sina in order to complete all these tasks, and how will they do that, when their hide is totally blown away. I think the reason why Ymir hasn't joined them is because her main and only concern is Christa's safety and anything else not relating to that, she has no interest in. As for R+B's goals, my guess is once they have whatever it is they're after in their village, which apparently calls for Eren or Christa (?), they would have the power/leverage to go back and retrieve Annie and whatever else they're after in the inner walls. Personally I want them to forget about the village and just get to the basement!! If Shiganshina is to the south somewhere, then that might just be the next place they'll go to, especially if whatever it is they need from Eren is in there. Seriously, I don't know how long I've been waiting for them to reveal what's inside that basement ಥ⌣ಥ I'll be ready to scream if they still bypass Shiganshina after getting this far. |
vollJul 24, 2013 12:46 AM
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| It's becoming more interesting, so many bags of surprises. Btw, where are they going? To their camp? Can't wait for that one. :3 |
vlasic said: Paul-Kun said: some many questions always! xD i couldnt belive Ymir agreed to help Reiner and Bert...i thought she would side with Eren but realy i wonder why the heck Reiner and Bert broke the walls? and that furry titan....did they like forgot on him? shouldnt they like start looking for him if he is inside the walls? xD I think the furry titan actually retreated after Castle Utgard, he was seen climbing down the wall in chapter 40. What his goal was no one knows. Some speculate he was scouting, but why not continue? Don't know. In my opinion, he continued to the next wall and I kind of think his target is the Citadel in Wall Sina (where the King is). We don't see him right now, but that's because Hajime follows only the line of Erwin's plan to capture Annie and her accomplices - unlike Utgardt, he simply doesn't offer a parallel line of events. If I am not mistaken - b/w the Utgardt attack and the present time, no more than 12 hours should have passed (please, double-check this if you feel it's totally off). Paul-Kun said: Interesting that Ymir is 60 years old. So she either became a titan or discovered could transform 47 years after titans first appeared. But Ymir's people are all outside the wall. If she became a titan while inside the wall, people would've known about it. And she wasn't the only one since many titans knew her. So people were living outside the walls decades after titans appeared? Same goes w/Reiner, Berholdt. We know the monkey titan has a way of turning people into titans. I'm just wondering if titans were once humans, why attack other titans-shifters? It seems those who can consciously shift are different than all the titans who were once human and now mindlessly eat people. Reiner, Berholdt became titans presumably after Ymir ate their friend, otherwise they would've transformed and beat Ymir. I think some people became shifters after titans appeared but shfiters existed way before like the ones making up the wall. I imagine because of the lack of aging, becoming titans was thought to be a way to reach immortality, like so many other series. But that experiment failed and many people were sacrificed to become part of the wall to protect people still remaining. That's why I think that human-titans were the original inhabitants of the Walls - on the cover of volume 1 (voll provided a link few weeks ago), the Walls are shown erect before the ship with the escaping part of humanity reaches the shores. And since titans also eat human-titans, it makes sense that Walls also benefit human-titans, not only humans. There's a line in the history, saying that (approximately) an ideal society was prepared for humans behind the walls. It kept bugging me what being "ideal" would mean in this instance, and you know, living as human, in human appearance, and being strong as a titan enough to stand against the original titans, sounds perfect. People cannot differentiate human-titans and humans in terms of appearance, and human-titans are not yet shown to eat a single human (although they have killed many). It seems to me that Annie belongs to f this population, mostly because of the sketches of her family history. In the said link, there's also a line about how a part of the ships had been lost in the escape, but nothing else is said about their fate. It's possible that humans from these ships also reached the shore, far from the Walls. They might have lived somewhere safe till they fell prey of titans or titans with the same ability as the Beast Titan. Reiner and Bert could be like those. One of the things I find curious, is that all the three of them are bound in some organization. It's possible that titans control humans by turning them into half-breeds, as well as mindless ones. If you look at the Beast Titan, you'd certainly feel like he treated Mike as a brainless fly with uttermost confidence and hatred - a way different than the single-brain cell hunger the mindless have for humans. Speaking of which, Ymir's affection for Christa is based on Christa being an unwanted, non-legitimate child. Put aside how Ymir reached Wall Sina and overheard exactly this conversation, it makes me think that there are actually titans, who turn into humans, and humans, who turn into titans. Eren is probably a third kind - Annie, Bert, and Reiner do have this peeled skin, showing muscles, while Eren (albeit having the muscular built) remains closer in appearance to the mindless type. Well, could be only because he is a baby-titan as of now, but ... If Ymir wasn't considered a pure titan, but some sort of a mix, I can see why she was banished or left in the wilderness as a senseless titan. Or may be she did something against the titans and was punished, i don't know. Of course, there's an option that all four of them are different factions of human-titans within and in the beginning of the walls - their enemy would be the original titans, their allies - the humans. [Hanji mentions something like humanity being protected from titans by other titans]. Something did go wrong within the city, titans became bricks in the Walls, and perhaps the rest of the human-titans were forced into hiding and generally not very happy with the humans after all. Given that neither of the 4 in reality needs the 3DMG to go in and out of Wall Maria (at least; the 3dmg serves the purpose to conceal their actions among humans), they might have lived pretty much well within the walls. If they had mastered the ability to crystalize, they could have covered whatever tracks they left on the walls. With the lax discipline in the Garrison, the little knowledge about titans, the limited missions of the Scouting Legion outside Wall Maria five years ago, it's quite possible Annie, Ymir, and the two others to leave the area without being noticed. Ymir is a specific case shown of attacking if not humans then human-titans, so it's not clear where it happened - inside or outside the walls. Paul-Kun said: I'm thinking that becoming a titan is worse than death. That's why to the church, the end of humanity is preferable to becoming a titan because of the monkey. Ymir did say it was an endless nightmare for 60 years. And the reason Eren holds a lot of interest is because he became a titan while inside the wall, meaning there was a way to become a titan in a different way than how Ymir, Reiner, and Berholdt became titans. That's probably why he's the key. Crista is also seen as an intel source I guess that's why they kidnap her. It's certain that Grisha can produce a titan via injecting serum, and we didn't see what exactly the Beast Titan did to the people in Connie's village, but it's safe to say that titans can be brought into existence in various ways. As of now, the Wall Worshipers merely insist on leaving the walls intact for a very good reason. Which also means that they know nothing of how to restore or produce more walls like these. Eren is a link to Grisha's knowledge on titans nature, that's why he is important, aside that he is the only titan that obviously fights for the humans. To the other human-titans, he may be merely an obstacle - their initial plan was different and regardless of Eren, they followed it as far as the could. "Looks like" they didn't give up on achieving their goals. Reaching Jaeger's basement with Eren as a hostage and before the Scouting Legion, can be a problem though. Feel free to nitpick any of my statements above - there should be some way to figure this out, help is welcomed :) @ voll - thanks for the answer. I'll come back to it, I have to go out for a bit. |
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AOT_Girl20 said: Hi all, im new here, and really love Attack on Titan too. No one think here, that the Ape-Titan is Erens father? My presumption is, that Erens Father is the "final boss". I guess, it have to do with experiments over a long time with people, amd maybe with this part, where he cured early a lot of people from a illness. I think its maybe this story thing, that he wanted to take the human race on a new level. He gave Eren the key early and injected him, to make sure he can defense his selfe as a titan (Which I guess, has something to do with the serum), and he can later wipe out all titans (Maybe with a secret weapon, like a chemikal explosion, where all infected titans die by a poison cloud or something), when his experiments later get maybe out of his hands. And in the moment, he create more and more titans, this example with Connies Mum and the village. And his Ape-Titan-Form, is one of the modernest form in the moment, because his experiment get better and better, to create a perfect race. So, thats my most importants thinkings in the moment. Maybe, it make a bit more stuff for discussions. And sorry, if my english isnt perfect, im from germany. Greetings, Carina I think it may be possible but i personally don't really think the Ape-Titan is ERen's father (Grisha) mainly because the ape-titan doesn't even anything about the technology that the human uses to kill titan (3DMG). During one of the chapter when one of the soldier encountered the ape-titan, the ape titan was interested in the 3DMG and if it is Eren's Father it's weird that he doesn't know about such things. Furthermore, by the way he speak, he sounded like he wasn't even human to begin with. So that's why i didn't think it was likely that the ape titan is Grisha but who knows :S? |
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| whens' 48 coming out? |
Darude said: whens' 48 coming out? Start of next month |
| I really liked this chapter I just hope they don't save Eren yet so we can possibly get more details from Reiner and the others |
| i think Reiner and Bert doesn't remember how they broke the wall.. like how Ymir ate there friend.. the did bad things in their titan form(s) without realising it.. why? we need to go to their "HOME LAND". |
| i think Reiner and Bert doesn't remember how they broke the wall.. like how Ymir ate there friend.. the did bad things in their titan form(s) without realising it.. why? we need to go to their "HOME LAND". |
raoufe16 said: ah the moment when grisha gives the titan's power to EREN he said : their memories will teach you how to use it " The memories of who ?? m I always assumed it was memories of the titans. But it might be possible that it might even be something more than a titan. The amount of mystery this series have LOL OnePieceQ8 said: i think Reiner and Bert doesn't remember how they broke the wall.. like how Ymir ate there friend.. the did bad things in their titan form(s) without realising it.. why? we need to go to their "HOME LAND". I also think this might be possible. I can't help but wondered if the colossal titan who broke the wall is really the same person as Bert? What if there might be another person who can also transform into colossal titan :U!?!?! Well, it's really just a guess and it doesn't seem very likely e___e |
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| I finally caught up!!! I really liked this chapter~ Can't believe Ymir was a titan for 60 yrs & I lost it when Eren was screaming "I'll kill you" lol Uhmm so many mysteries... Apparently Eren doesn't remember 'something~' Can't wait for the next one~! |
Candor said: Just caught up, and my mind is blown. Who would've thought that there are other humans in the corps who can turn to Titans? HOLY SHIT! I TOTALLY DIDN'T SEE THAT COMING!. I seriously can't tell where this is going, and that's what's great about the series. It's so unpredictable!!!!! You're not funny |
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