| I generally prefer well developed characters. |
| Murderers are the best kind of people. |
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| Are you actually asking us if we prefer darker heroines (female heroes)? Because you proceeded to talk about a lot of male examples. Either way I personally don't have a preference. Some anime I prefer/like the darker character, and some the light-hearted goofs. And BTW, welcome to MAL! |
BullsNBears93Jul 25, 2013 4:53 PM
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| Heroines? And here I thought this was gonna be a topic about Panty and Stocking. *dissapointed* Anyways, with protagonists, we've always had this thing between role models and the anti-hero-esque types of characters ever since we've had Don Quixote picking up random girls or whatever. I don't think "dark" is the right word to describe it all though. More like a look at something different from the standard hero, the symbol of justice and whatnot. It's interesting to peer into the otherside, where you got characters who aren't bound by being a hero and are capable of doing things that would otherwse be called out for being too extreme or something. It's something that we'd like to see, if only because we normally can't do stuff like those characters, or because they got problems we can relate to at some level, so I think that's where the love's from. |
ShockedJul 25, 2013 4:57 PM
| People are supposed to have faults and problems, it's just natural. So when you have these white knight perfect hero/heroine characters with 100% pure personalities, I feel like they are fake and unreal. |
| I honestly prefer heroines (well, characters in general) that can blur what it means to be dark or pure, evil or good. Ones that make you ask "which shade of gray?" rather than "black or white?" |
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| Madoka was even more annoying than Shinji so I guess I like them dark. |
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| Depends on the story |
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Leapling said: Murderers are the best kind of people. Definitely. Blood and killer instincts is always a great bonus to a character. |
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| Insanity>Pure Insanity is more entertaining, when the protagonist is an anit-hero it makes for a more interesting show. |
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MEanimaniac1 said: Pretty much.Insanity>Pure Insanity is more entertaining, when the protagonist is an anit-hero it makes for a more interesting show. |
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| Actually, I would prefer a darker character. I would actually love an entire series of darker characters. For the simple reason that they are more interesting. They are usually better written and more interesting to follow. I hate when they are the villains and then they get killed because I am stuck with these pure characters... |
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Suzune-chan said: I disagree. They often appear better written for the same reasons a show with blood and gore seems mature to viewers. A kind or pure character is just as difficult to write and there are many well done ones out there as well.They are usually better written |
Slyr3do0n said: Welp,Suzune-chan said: I disagree. They often appear better written for the same reasons a show with blood and gore seems mature to viewers. A kind or pure character is just as difficult to write and there are many well done ones out there as well.They are usually better written |
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| I guess darker is better, but I don't like a character who sacrifices his own friends to reach his goals. I prefer a psychopath with a good heart. |
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| Only depends on how interesting and developed they are. But if they are both of those equally, I would prefer a darker hero. |
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Slyr3do0n said: Perhaps you are right. I guess I just think that, in my personal opinion, that pure characters are always a like. They are morally good, and sweet and value friendship. While darker characters are more interesting to follow. "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."Suzune-chan said: I disagree. They often appear better written for the same reasons a show with blood and gore seems mature to viewers. A kind or pure character is just as difficult to write and there are many well done ones out there as well.They are usually better written |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
| It normally depends on how I relate to the character. Although I usually do prefer darker heroes. |
| I personally prefer darker characters, but it really depends on how well-written the characters are. Darker characters tend to be more flawed which helps make them relatable, while pure characters are unrealistic and thus harder to relate to. |
| When you just discuss characters in terms of black and white. I don't like either of them as all human beings display characters in shades of grey. So I would much rather prefer characters who are realistic in that sense. Often anime are crowded with characters who are on either side of the scale but not somewhere in between. There are exceptions but they are few. If the character acts on his emotions rather than his sense of right/wrong it makes him seem that bit more human. Like for example in the TV show Dexter or in NGE |
Suzune-chan said: Slyr3do0n said: Perhaps you are right. I guess I just think that, in my personal opinion, that pure characters are always a like. They are morally good, and sweet and value friendship. While darker characters are more interesting to follow. "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way."Suzune-chan said: I disagree. They often appear better written for the same reasons a show with blood and gore seems mature to viewers. A kind or pure character is just as difficult to write and there are many well done ones out there as well.They are usually better written I used to think something like this with sadness. I thought sadness was redundant. But then I realized I was overgeneralizing. I found my sadness redundant. Believe it or not, people react to and experience sadness in different ways and because of several different things. The same goes for happiness. Does the same thing make everyone happy? Some of us would kick Naruto in the face the first time he said "believe it!" The point is there can be originality in both. There are more stereotypical heroes because throughout history, as far as I know, many people have adored them. Also, more particularly in anime, there is a winning hero formula that has become cliche to many. Though antiheroes have grown in popularity, I personally don't think there is as many of them as heroes, therefore they haven't run into as many cliches. This is just a guess, but it's what I think. Oh, and personally, sometimes I do wish that, say, Aladdin from Magi would tell Alibaba to give up on his wayward childhood friend. Sometimes, I really wish he got annoyed with people and was less patient. But just like someone says that they like to see antiheroes because they do things they can't. I like heroes because they do things that I probably could not do. So basically, I can take an antihero to an extent, if the story is really good. Code Geass's Lelouch was definitely gray and it was awesome. A character still needs several qualities I like for me to root for him, well I guess that goes for most. |
Awakezzz said: People are supposed to have faults and problems, it's just natural. So when you have these white knight perfect hero/heroine characters with 100% pure personalities, I feel like they are fake and unreal. My thought's exactly. |
| Not really either to be completely honest too much and both can become an annoyance... They all come with their quirks. A "pure" hero is going to have the mindset "I want to save everyone!". I mean yeah ideally you don't want to let anyone die, but it's just annoying when characters going around spouting it out loud. Then you have your "darker" heros. Which again at least in my opinion, put too much into it and the character will just be annoying. Something like "You just helped me out, but I don't care. I still dislike your guts and want you to go away because oh woe is me and the world hates me". |
| It depends on the story for me, and also what makes the character "dark". |
| It has nothing to do blood and gore, murder and violence for me. It has to do with realism. It has to do with being down on Earth rather than having your head in the clouds. Take Killua, for example: he analyzes the situation he's in, and then responds to it in the most efficient way possible -- this is most rational. Gon, on the other hand, risked his life and lost an arm just to prove he could make the villain fight him seriously. This kind of thinking only works when you have magical items (e.g. Dragon Balls) to bring you back, because in the real world there's a pesky little thing called consequences. Hunter x Hunter would have made my day on that episode if Gon just lost his arm permanently. I like characters with a brain. Take Touma (or Ichigo, Naruto, etc. for that matter), he would often go on rants that go something like, "I don't know what's right or wrong, but isn't that weird?! Friends should protect friends!!" I'm shaking my head like, oh my god, if you don't know what you're talking about, then shut the fuck up already. This is why Shikamaru from Naruto is so bad-ass to some people -- and he's far from violent either. He just has a brain. P.S. I liked Ulquiorra because unlike every other character in Bleach, he didn't rant for 15 minutes before acting, he just comes in and pulls a devastating attack, then leaves. That was until they gave him the cliched, "I can't believe this is happening" rant, in which Ichigo responds, "Friendship solves everything! You will never understand!" Then Ulquiorra became dead to me. I disowned him like hot potatoes. |
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| the darker the better |
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| dark. the only 'pure' hero i can think of that i like is luffy. Most of the time i find them annoying, but he's the only i can stand. |
| I just like them to have conviction that what they're doing is right (and gets shit done), whether it actually is right or wrong. That applies to villains too. So pure-ish? (Like Emiya Kiritsugu for example.He'd get his hands bloody, but he thinks it's for the good of humanity.) |
| You need a bit of both, otherwise it would get boring... While a flawed character is always nice to have, to give a more realistic depth to a story, I do not think that "pure" characters should be underestimated on the simple basis that they are considered "unreal" and "unrelatable" A show that accepts the presence of both character types is in my opinion far superior to one that only presents us with one of them. For example, take one my favorite Berserk arcs, "The Tower of Conviction". What I found that makes those chapters so great is that, while the Berserk-verse is pretty much one of the biggest steaming turds of fictional universes to live in, for every weak-willed or tragically cursed character, there are still genuinely nice and "pure" (relatively speaking) people, who are willing to irrationally put their lives on the line to help someone... I find this kind of approach to be far more believable than a universe made solely of flawed and troubled characters. Sure, everyone is human, but I think that most of the time we severely underestimate how nice and "pure" we can really be, even in real life. |
| Generally I prefer the darker character, only because they usually get more development/ have an interesting back story. Pure ones tend to be irritating, of course there are exceptions to both but that's where I stand. |
| Depends on the mood of the series personally. If the show knows where its going and what it is it will pull off the right characters. |
| So, What do you think is on the other side? |
| I honestly prefer the darker ones, since the pure hearted ones are just too pure hearted...if you know what I mean? It's just not realistic enough since I just don't know these perfect 'character' heroes. Ratohnhaketon said: I honestly prefer heroines (well, characters in general) that can blur what it means to be dark or pure, evil or good. Ones that make you ask "which shade of gray?" rather than "black or white?" I guess I'm thinking along the same lines as this guy |
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| Of course, otherwise characters like Lelouch, Reinhard and Light wouldn't be as popular as they are now. |
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
| I personally wouldn't mind either as long as they're well developed. |
| The more the character can speak from experience, the better. I don't want a hero, whether pure or dark, to spout nonsense if he/she hasn't even done anything. |
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Slyr3do0n said: I generally prefer well developed characters. |
| What's up with this obsession of "pure" characters? |
| "Love is a drug to our brain , it stops the thinking function and when you realize it wether you acomplish it or not you'll enter in one of the 3 withdrawal states : happy , sad or anger. Once this drug gets hold of you you'd better be prepaired beforehand." - Me |
BloodyNightsky said: People don't want their precious waifu to be sullied.What's up with this obsession of "pure" characters? Whatever that means. |
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| I like Funny characters but if u talk about too much pure , in my opinion is boring, but dark is something else... it's more interesting |
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| I think darker characters have a higher likelihood of being well developed, though I've seen some good pure types as well. Conflict, IMO, is the key to character development and it is how a character responds to adversity that really lets them grow and define themselves. This comes more easily to darker characters because the conflict is by nature not so straightforward and clear, and I think complex types of conflict allow for more development and a greater range of possible directions to take that growth. I find that with pure types it is easy to fall into the trap of creating overly simple or easy conflicts that do not allow for much growth, in order to preserve the purity of the character. Simple "rush in to kill the big bad" types of plots allow these characters to be heroic without putting their purity in danger, or alternatively the conflict may actually have a bit of depth to it, but the problem is easy enough that the character can just ignore the nuances of the problem and find a way to get the 100% happy ending (like with Touma and the Misaka clones story arc). I also feel that these types of characters and stories break my suspension of disbelief, in the sense that the resolution does not feel authentic, and does not feel like it was really earned by the characters. It is important then that when making a pure character they should still be faced with meaningful conflicts that aren't trivialized. |
| Well, as long as the character does something, has a decent background, charms me and I can draw it, doesn't matter. But dunno why, I've always found the pure chars boring as hell cause all they ever say is related to friendship and let's help each other. |
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Kakurin said: Well, as long as the character does something, has a decent background, charms me and I can draw it, doesn't matter. But dunno why, I've always found the pure chars boring as hell cause all they ever say is related to friendship and let's help each other. I agree with this, brilliant first post btw. |
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
Slyr3do0n said: I generally prefer well developed characters. |
| the idea of a 'pure' hero doesn't make sense to me. i mean, a hero is essentially someone who effects change in the universe he/she is in. there has to be an incident which ignites the desire to do so. this oftentimes is something negative. as to what kind of hero i prefer, it has to be the ones who are cheerful despite having a dark past. characters like kenshin and vash |
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