Who do you like more?
Shogo Makishima(psycho pass)
51.8%
73
Yagami Light(death note)
17.0%
24
Johann Leibert(Monster)
31.2%
44
141 votes
| I was wondering about this recently and i wanted to know what people thought. First off, i am referencing characters from Death Note, Psycho Pass & Monster so if you have no seen all three dismiss this(Though i highly suggest you do watch them)Anyways..So Yagami light(death note), Shogo Makishima(psycho pass) or Johann leibert (monster) are all essentially villains to someone. But each in their own way is very deep & philosophical and not actually a terrible person when you think about it. But each one is so fantastically done as a character that for me i consider them all amazing. But i just wanted to know what people thought about these three, which one is their favorite & why & if anybody liked any of their philosophies. |
| Yagami Light's is the most consistent. Johann Leibert doesn't really have a philosophy, he's more of a chaotic evil (and in fact the only chaotic evil I can think of in anime). Shogo Makishima is your typical destruction to create a new world type of villain. |
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| Yea Johann isn't really philosophical like the other two but he obviously has some very interesting outlooks considering what he does throughout the series. & at the end when he escapes the hospital room I don't know if he stopped being that chaotic or not. |
| Griffith. Oh, wait he's not here? Eh.... |
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| Why would anyone pick Shogo Makishima? Generally characters by Urobuchi are shallow pseudo deep characters, mostly just trying to be something that appears smart on the outside but actually is just pretending. I guess the monster villain is far better, but since I dropped monster (too many episodes for me) I go with Light, though he is no villain but a byronic hero. |
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Orsonius said: I go with Light, though he is no villain but a byronic hero. Byronic hero? I think that description fits Mello more, but I wouldn't call anyone in Death Note a Byronic Hero. When I think Byronic Hero I think Heathcliff and I think of someone who rejects laws and social values, if nothing else Light wants more order. Light is a Villainous Protagonist. Also, both Johann Leibert and Shogo Makishima are terrible people, there is no deep down of it, they are sociopaths - not misunderstood flawed characters. |
| Write in- Schwarzwald from The Big O easily. The only thing is I don't know if you can really consider him a villain. |
ShrabsterJun 19, 2013 11:57 AM
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| As shown by the first few posts, not many people are going to understand makishima's philosophies since it's slightly ahead of our times Light just wanted to create a model workers world which is pretty ugly if you ask me. |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
| Well I haven't watch Psycho Pass yet so can't vote for him, and as for Light hes just a megalomaniac that's it. So Johan wins hands down. |
Ghostony said: "The Minority Report" was written in the 1950s....As shown by the first few posts, not many people are going to understand makishima's philosophies since it's slightly ahead of our times |
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MoeGalacticHero said: Ghostony said: "The Minority Report" was written in the 1950s....As shown by the first few posts, not many people are going to understand makishima's philosophies since it's slightly ahead of our times No ones read most of the books Makishima reads though. I personally have half of them but that's just because I'm weird. |
insan3soldiern said: Griffith. Oh, wait he's not here? Eh.... lol This +1 but i voted for Johan. |
HeavenlyUser said: No ones read most of the books Makishima reads though. I personally have half of them but that's just because I'm weird. You seem pretty normal to me. At least by the standards of this site. And what else did Makishima read? Nineteen Eighty-Four? That's an extremely popular and beloved book. |
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| 1. Shogo 2. Johan 3. Light Shogo, Light, and Johan all lived in a corrupt society. It's been awhile since I've watched Monster but I think Johan also wanted justice. |
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| All Makishima did was to quote other people, and the writers illustrated those ideas in the episodes. Makishima did not have that many of this own thoughts. That is not smart in anyway. I could have written the exact same thing. He was a great villian but the writers could have executed it in a better way. Yagami Light thought the world was rotten, and he killed people to make it better. All according to his own moral. The authors illustrated one important philosophy here, power corrupts, and Light is a fantastic example of that. I love Light, and have seen Death Note 6 times, but there is no great philosophy that Light proves/illustrates. Maybe how humans function etc, but that is maybe more sociological. Leibert a philisopher?... I dont see it. Love the character, but just no. Havent seen Monster in years tho, and i dont remember that much. |
Speedhoven said: All Makishima did was to quote other people, and the writers illustrated those ideas in the episodes. Makishima did not have that many of this own thoughts. That is not smart in anyway. I could have written the exact same thing. He was a great villian but the writers could have executed it in a better way. Yagami Light thought the world was rotten, and he killed people to make it better. All according to his own moral. The authors illustrated one important philosophy here, power corrupts, and Light is a fantastic example of that. I love Light, and have seen Death Note 6 times, but there is no great philosophy that Light proves/illustrates. Maybe how humans function etc, but that is maybe more sociological. Leibert a philisopher?... I dont see it. Love the character, but just no. Johan never really said anything. He just kinda killed people for whatever reason. I don't think there is a reason really Lol... |
Speedhoven said: All Makishima did was to quote other people, and the writers illustrated those ideas in the episodes. Makishima did not have that many of this own thoughts. That is not smart in anyway. I could have written the exact same thing. He was a great villian but the writers could have executed it in a better way. Yagami Light thought the world was rotten, and he killed people to make it better. All according to his own moral. The authors illustrated one important philosophy here, power corrupts, and Light is a fantastic example of that. I love Light, and have seen Death Note 6 times, but there is no great philosophy that Light proves/illustrates. Maybe how humans function etc, but that is maybe more sociological. Leibert a philisopher?... I dont see it. Love the character, but just no. Havent seen Monster in years tho, and i dont remember that much. Haven't seen monster, but I agree on the first two. Calling them "philosophical" is kind of a stretch. Makishima is like one of those teenyboppers who deck out their tumblr with "lolsodeep" quotes and pretend it makes them smart. |
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khunter said: I was wondering about this recently and i wanted to know what people thought. First off, i am referencing characters from Death Note, Psycho Pass & Monster so if you have no seen all three dismiss this(Though i highly suggest you do watch them)Anyways..So Yagami light(death note), Shogo Makishima(psycho pass) or Johann leibert (monster) are all essentially villains to someone. But each in their own way is very deep & philosophical and not actually a terrible person when you think about it. But each one is so fantastically done as a character that for me i consider them all amazing. But i just wanted to know what people thought about these three, which one is their favorite & why & if anybody liked any of their philosophies. Johan and light were interesting to watch but I the villain from psycho pass isn't all that interesting.He makes a few interesting quotes and references but not even he could save that awful show called psycho pass |
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| I think to understand Johan you have to look into his past. I don't think he was pure evil. |
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VampireHunterD said: I think to understand Johan you have to look into his past. I don't think he was pure evil. In a way Makishima and Johan are very similar. |
figuetteJun 19, 2013 12:45 PM
| Out of all of those I've only seen Death Note, and I hated it, also Light is the protagonist, which makes him an anti-hero, not a villain. As for my favorite philosophical villains I'd have to say would be: Kaiki Deishu (Nisemonogatari) Makoto Shishio (Rurouni Kenshin) Izaya Orihara (Durarara!!) Legato Bluesummers (Trigun) |
| That poll is very limited. |
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MajinSaga said: That poll is very limited. this and the person in the op's avatar needs to get away from the poll |
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Project 2501/Puppet Master solo's this thread. There's also the Laughing Man  And Hideo Kuze  |
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| I Personally think Light is my favorite though none of them are really philosophical or maybe they are. I believe each one has his own ideals and morals nor do i believe any of them were particularly worse than the others. Human death is human death. But I think i saw a few people say power corrupted light..My man light was pretty bad from the beginning. In the first episode before he got his powers he was already talking about how much he hates the planet and everyone in it. So it wasn't like he was captain planet to begin with. Johann was a deep character but not really philosophical i suppose but i consider him a top villain of mine. Shogo i liked a lot & he was still smart despite quoting others..he was just referring to those people he obviously was nothing like them. Besides to actually appreciate Orwell or Shakespeare you have to be intelligent in the first place. |
renders said: khunter said: I was wondering about this recently and i wanted to know what people thought. First off, i am referencing characters from Death Note, Psycho Pass & Monster so if you have no seen all three dismiss this(Though i highly suggest you do watch them)Anyways..So Yagami light(death note), Shogo Makishima(psycho pass) or Johann leibert (monster) are all essentially villains to someone. But each in their own way is very deep & philosophical and not actually a terrible person when you think about it. But each one is so fantastically done as a character that for me i consider them all amazing. But i just wanted to know what people thought about these three, which one is their favorite & why & if anybody liked any of their philosophies. Johan and light were interesting to watch but I the villain from psycho pass isn't all that interesting.He makes a few interesting quotes and references but not even he could save that awful show called psycho pass I enjoyed that show very much but that's just me. What didn't you like about it? |
khunter said: I Personally think Light is my favorite though none of them are really philosophical or maybe they are. I believe each one has his own ideals and morals nor do i believe any of them were particularly worse than the others. Human death is human death. But I think i saw a few people say power corrupted light..My man light was pretty bad from the beginning. In the first episode before he got his powers he was already talking about how much he hates the planet and everyone in it. So it wasn't like he was captain planet to begin with. Johann was a deep character but not really philosophical i suppose but i consider him a top villain of mine. Shogo i liked a lot & he was still smart despite quoting others..he was just referring to those people he obviously was nothing like them. Besides to actually appreciate Orwell or Shakespeare you have to be intelligent in the first place. that's why I like Zetsuen no Tempest xDDDD |
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deadjames said: Out of all of those I've only seen Death Note, and I hated it, also Light is the protagonist, which makes him an anti-hero, not a villain. As for my favorite philosophical villains I'd have to say would be: Kaiki Deishu (Nisemonogatari) Makoto Shishio (Rurouni Kenshin) Izaya Orihara (Durarara!!) Legato Bluesummers (Trigun) He was a villain to someone for sure. How did you hate deathnote? i have literally never heard/seen anyone say that until now. |
MajinSaga said: That poll is very limited. Yea it's only about three people so that's kind of obvious.. |
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figuette said: Calling people sociopaths is an easy way to go about it, but even outcasts of society have a raison d'etre, and Makishima is no exception. If anything, I find his actions more sympathetic than our moe lead Akane.Also, both Johann Leibert and Shogo Makishima are terrible people, there is no deep down of it, they are sociopaths - not misunderstood flawed characters. Ghostony said: Destruction as a way to recreate is not ahead of our times; it has been covered comprehensively in literature. In fact, all Makishima did to demonstrate his "intellect" was to quote a bunch of people from the past, out of context I might add. As other people say, Gen Urobuchi's characters are not so much deep as they appear that way. Instead of being a chasm with faint light at the bottom waiting to be discovered, they're more like a Tupperware pan covered in black velvet that eats light. If you weren't paying attention, it looks bottomless, but if you squint your eyes a little bit, you start seeing the fuzz.As shown by the first few posts, not many people are going to understand makishima's philosophies since it's slightly ahead of our times |
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katsucats said: Calling people sociopaths is an easy way to go about it, but even outcasts of society have a raison d'etre, and Makishima is no exception. If anything, I find his actions more sympathetic than our moe lead Akane. Calling people sociopaths is not an easy way to go about it especially when this is one of the major points of the show. And there is no need for you to be so defensive of Makishima, if you like him you like him, I do not care either way. That said, it is sort of funny that you mention Akane because out of the whole cast she is the closest thing to Makishima. If you don't see it then you only understood what you were told not what you were shown, which is ok too, I'm not calling you stupid or ignorant or anything like that, because there are no special rules about how everyone should understand exactly the same thing when watching reading something. |
khunter said: I hated it because it sukced! No, but seriously I don't feel like delving into why specifically I didn't like it, because that would be an incredibly long post, I just don't think it's very good, to me it kind of felt like a poorly written version of Hell Girl.deadjames said: Out of all of those I've only seen Death Note, and I hated it, also Light is the protagonist, which makes him an anti-hero, not a villain. As for my favorite philosophical villains I'd have to say would be: Kaiki Deishu (Nisemonogatari) Makoto Shishio (Rurouni Kenshin) Izaya Orihara (Durarara!!) Legato Bluesummers (Trigun) He was a villain to someone for sure. How did you hate deathnote? i have literally never heard/seen anyone say that until now. |
figuette said: It was explained that the Sybil system arbitrarily decides people's crime efficients, if you paid attention. Not having one's Psycho-pass detected does not indicate sociopathy, not in the standard definition of the word. A sociopath is someone who lacks empathy, and in that regards Akane is far from it. Makishima might be a sociopath, but being a sociopath does not exclude one from having thought. Dismissing someone as being a sociopath is easy because it allows you to avoid having to address perspectives that challenge social norms. If you think the point of the show was to dismiss sociopaths off-hand, then I ask why they devoted so much faux-philosophy to develop Makishima's perspective? If the directors wanted us to believe he is full of shit, why did Kogami take him seriously and respond in kind?katsucats said: Calling people sociopaths is not an easy way to go about it especially when this is one of the major points of the show. Calling people sociopaths is an easy way to go about it, but even outcasts of society have a raison d'etre, and Makishima is no exception. If anything, I find his actions more sympathetic than our moe lead Akane. figuette said: I'm defensive of Makishima? I shat all over him within the same post.And there is no need for you to be so defensive of Makishima, if you like him you like him, I do not care either way. figuette said: They're only alike because they insusceptible to Psycho-pass; that's what you were told. The message behind Psycho-pass, the show, was not to show how similar Akane is to Makishima, but how different they are despite some initial similarities, most notably their perspectives on how to tackle the problems facing the condition of human kind are completely different. It is those perspectives that a thinking person would derive from such a show; calling people sociopaths do not help further that understanding. The problem here was the shallowness of both Akane and Makishima: one fell into empty escapism and placed her hopes on "human kind" despite herself being in a perfect position to implement change; and the latter is the total destruction to create change archetype, which is the same as Sephiroth from FF7 or Ra's Al Ghul from Batman.That said, it is sort of funny that you mention Akane because out of the whole cast she is the closest thing to Makishima. If you don't see it then you only understood what you were told not what you were shown, which is ok too, figuette said: You did call me ignorant, but I'm not offended.I'm not calling you stupid or ignorant or anything like that, because there are no special rules about how everyone should understand exactly the same thing when watching reading something. |
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katsucats said: figuette said: It was explained that the Sybil system arbitrarily decides people's crime efficients, if you paid attention. Not having one's Psycho-pass detected does not indicate sociopathy, not in the standard definition of the word. A sociopath is someone who lacks empathy, and in that regards Akane is far from it. Makishima might be a sociopath, but being a sociopath does not exclude one from having thought. Dismissing someone as being a sociopath is easy because it allows you to avoid having to address perspectives that challenge social norms. If you think the point of the show was to dismiss sociopaths off-hand, then I ask why they devoted so much faux-philosophy to develop Makishima's perspective? If the directors wanted us to believe he is full of shit, why did Kogami take him seriously and respond in kind?katsucats said: Calling people sociopaths is not an easy way to go about it especially when this is one of the major points of the show. Calling people sociopaths is an easy way to go about it, but even outcasts of society have a raison d'etre, and Makishima is no exception. If anything, I find his actions more sympathetic than our moe lead Akane. figuette said: I'm defensive of Makishima? I shat all over him within the same post.And there is no need for you to be so defensive of Makishima, if you like him you like him, I do not care either way. figuette said: They're only alike because they insusceptible to Psycho-pass; that's what you were told. The message behind Psycho-pass, the show, was not to show how similar Akane is to Makishima, but how different they are despite some initial similarities, most notably their perspectives on how to tackle the problems facing the condition of human kind are completely different. It is those perspectives that a thinking person would derive from such a show; calling people sociopaths do not help further that understanding. The problem here was the shallowness of both Akane and Makishima: one fell into empty escapism and placed her hopes on "human kind" despite herself being in a perfect position to implement change; and the latter is the total destruction to create change archetype, which is the same as Sephiroth from FF7 or Ra's Al Ghul from Batman.That said, it is sort of funny that you mention Akane because out of the whole cast she is the closest thing to Makishima. If you don't see it then you only understood what you were told not what you were shown, which is ok too, figuette said: You did call me ignorant, but I'm not offended.I'm not calling you stupid or ignorant or anything like that, because there are no special rules about how everyone should understand exactly the same thing when watching reading something. i have to say i agree with katsucats on the relation between akane and makishima being not all that similar. Katsucats, why again did you not like makishima? |
khunter said: 2 reasons:i have to say i agree with katsucats on the relation between akane and makishima being not all that similar. Katsucats, why again did you not like makishima? 1. Quoting my post above: katsucats said: The problem here was the shallowness of both Akane and Makishima: one fell into empty escapism and placed her hopes on "human kind" despite herself being in a perfect position to implement change; and the latter is the total destruction to create change archetype, which is the same as Sephiroth from FF7 or Ra's Al Ghul from Batman. 2. The transformation he had at the end as he turned from a calm, calculated strategist into taking a personal issue with Kogami was character breaking, in my opinion. He could have done much more if he didn't get baited into an unnecessary duel with Kogami and Akane. In fact, Yagami Light felled victim to the exact same problem. If he just lied low for a bit, he would've gotten away scotch free. |
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| there are so many good philosophical villains and you only give us 3 options GTFO |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| Makishima intentionally using them out of context, stringing them together, and slightly alterting each ones meaning to create a whole new meaning, his own philosophy. It's not just random psuedo stuff like some people are thinking.. |
| sexual incest in nisomonogatari - no one bats an eye romance incest in SAO - everyone loses their minds |
| Who the fuck is Johann Leibert? |
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hazerddex said: there are so many good philosophical villains and you only give us 3 options GTFO But the entire post was only about these three so you GTFO |
katsucats said: khunter said: 2 reasons:i have to say i agree with katsucats on the relation between akane and makishima being not all that similar. Katsucats, why again did you not like makishima? 1. Quoting my post above: katsucats said: The problem here was the shallowness of both Akane and Makishima: one fell into empty escapism and placed her hopes on "human kind" despite herself being in a perfect position to implement change; and the latter is the total destruction to create change archetype, which is the same as Sephiroth from FF7 or Ra's Al Ghul from Batman. 2. The transformation he had at the end as he turned from a calm, calculated strategist into taking a personal issue with Kogami was character breaking, in my opinion. He could have done much more if he didn't get baited into an unnecessary duel with Kogami and Akane. In fact, Yagami Light felled victim to the exact same problem. If he just lied low for a bit, he would've gotten away scotch free. Wow katsucats i am almost certain that is the first time i have ever seen someone phrase light and shogo's downfall so perfectly, if it at all correctly. That is very true. Light could of just chilled out for awhile instead of being overly ambitious, he already had everything. But I suppose it's because they needed an ending for death note and that's what they choose. As for psycho pass maybe the same thing applies to them. They just needed an ending where shogo died. I didn't really like that ending either. |
katsucats said: It was explained that the Sybil system arbitrarily decides people's crime efficients, if you paid attention. |
| The ONLY philosopher of the three I'd say was Makishima. Light didn't really have a philosophy, he just went 'I'm gonna save the world' in the spur of the moment without really having thought about it much at all. I don't rate him. And I don't support the death penalty. And Johann was just mental. He didn't even have a cause, he just killed lots of people because he has a freaky brain. So you can't call him a philosopher. Makishima fought for a clear, planned political philosophy. He could really justify himself. And he obviously knew his stuff in terms of philosophy too, all the references and stuff. I wouldn't even call Makishima a villain. That's what made Psycho-Pass so engaging - you had to really think about whose side you were on. Makishima ftw. Cool guy. |
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SaraSlurpsCoffee said: That's what made Psycho-Pass so engaging - you had to really think about whose side you were on. haha good joke. But it was a pretty shallow pick. The show offered you two options. 1) Choose Sybil System 2) Don't choose Sybil System Since they only portrait how bad the Sybil system was and how it had no benefits over its downsides and then in the end made it more ridiculous as it was already, you obviously were AGAINST it. That does not mean you were PRO makishima though, since he had some skewed notion of how humanity is supposed to live, and had this "free will" fallacy argument. though at least he was against the stupidity that is the Sybil system, his methods were not only highly ineffective but also plain ridiculous. A) Choose a bunch of sociopaths, help them to their perverted death games, cause chaos. B) Fuck up food supply of all people to kill them. He could have done B right from the start instead of playing with some crazy people first (I mean he could even used those to cause chaos and destroy the food supply in the meantime) And also his message was never clear, for outsiders it look just like some crazy terrorist. I find him highly illogical and his method impractical and stupid. Thus neither could I choose the Sybil System nor Makishima. |
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Orsonius said: SaraSlurpsCoffee said: That's what made Psycho-Pass so engaging - you had to really think about whose side you were on. haha good joke. But it was a pretty shallow pick. The show offered you two options. 1) Choose Sybil System 2) Don't choose Sybil System Since they only portrait how bad the Sybil system was and how it had no benefits over its downsides and then in the end made it more ridiculous as it was already, you obviously were AGAINST it. That does not mean you were PRO makishima though, since he had some skewed notion of how humanity is supposed to live, and had this "free will" fallacy argument. though at least he was against the stupidity that is the Sybil system, his methods were not only highly ineffective but also plain ridiculous. A) Choose a bunch of sociopaths, help them to their perverted death games, cause chaos. B) Fuck up food supply of all people to kill them. He could have done B right from the start instead of playing with some crazy people first (I mean he could even used those to cause chaos and destroy the food supply in the meantime) And also his message was never clear, for outsiders it look just like some crazy terrorist. I find him highly illogical and his method impractical and stupid. Thus neither could I choose the Sybil System nor Makishima. This post shows how much you barely pay attention to anything you watch, have no clue what good characterization is, and judges a show by what you think it should've been. First, regarding the Sibyl System. I agree it's much more of a crapsack world than having good sides, which is why I think the worldbuilding could've been better: showing how the system was installed and people accepted it, and how the rest of the world is at the time (since it was only said that Japan was the only country "under the rule of law"). Having no benefits at all is very arguable, considering it reduced crimes to the point people didn't even know what that was anymore, and it indeed was able to judge people's futures, by putting Akane in the Inspector job even though it seemed absurd to her, but in the end she realized that was her place. During the helmet incident, people released their madness over the System because they couldn't get ahead in life, but could they in our times? But then again, having the system to be good is something that you set as the right thing to be, that's not objective. Second, you can only understand flat characters. Okabe just spends the show trying to save his friends/love interest because the situation demanded. And Lelouch isn't even sure what he is. Makishima, on the other hand, is not "a terrorist trying to overthrow the Sibyl System", his characterization is great, you have to connect the dots from his speeches and the Safety Bureau's findings. His kickoff is feeling excluded from society due to being criminally asymptomatic (psycopath), leading his life to realizing how humans aren't themselves anymore, which is an idea not exclusive to his country at the time, such as how violence is a common desire to humans and society restricts it, of course taken to the extreme with the Sibyl System, besides people having chosen that a superior system make the decisions for them, even if it does it right many times. And not only that, he views himself as a common human, not a God of the new world (I'm looking at you, Light), or a "player" as he says, which is why he rejects to be a ruler of the country when given the chance. His interest is in studying what humans truly are and showing that off to society. Making up two plans to take down the Sibyl System once and for all was just a consequence of that, necessary for all people to reach a state of trueness to themselves after he realized they were completely incapable of seeing it even after he threw it on their faces. Is he evil or good? Well, he's indeed a psycopath, but what makes his actions be considered evil is exactly what he's trying to destroy. But after you said his last plan was to "Fuck up food supply of all people to kill them.", instead of "Opening Japan to the outside world and making the System inviable", I don't even know why I waste my time with you. And OT: Is Makishima the "most philosophical villain" ever? Not really, but in this poll, yes. Light only thinks that criminals should die and that he's intelligent enough to be the ruler of humankind. Johann is a pure evil psycopath done right, since all his background is shown for reaching his sick state of mind, with insights on his way of thinking. |
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