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May 31, 2013 5:08 AM
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Ultear at the end made the chapter. I'm glad we're seeing how everything is starting to play out.
May 31, 2013 5:11 AM
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Mental control can't do anything against friendship.
May 31, 2013 5:12 AM
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Congrats, Urtear, you are the one who started Rogue's path to darkness now, and you don't even know it, lol.

Hiro is doing great at setting up the atmosphere I say, the vistas of destruction this causes and the foreshadowing from the King fits really nicely.

I guess we are now up tot he point where shit hits the fan as he promised, I wonder on exactly what will be that "tragedy" Mashima has been speaking of.
May 31, 2013 5:24 AM
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Time for the "Tragedy" Hope it doesn't disappoint -_-
May 31, 2013 5:32 AM
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Finally Ultear gets some good quality screen time.
May 31, 2013 5:37 AM
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Damn, that punch.

Now that Ultear is making her move, I wonder how she is going to use her magic in this whole mess.
May 31, 2013 5:38 AM
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Dat shadow

looking forward to the "upgraded natsu" :D
May 31, 2013 5:45 AM
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Oh oh, I hope present Rogue don't get killed.
May 31, 2013 5:48 AM
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Ultear vs Rogue.

Let's see if this turns out to be a tragedy.
May 31, 2013 6:16 AM

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Ultear looks real determined to kill Rogue... Interesting chapter.. I guess..

Next one will be even more interesting :D Ultear is going to fight!!

I also wanna see Lucy again the the journal she found of her Future self
May 31, 2013 6:20 AM

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THAT LAST PANEL!
Ulteaaaarrrr!!!! I missed you so much ;_____; <3 That's the real you, right there!
May 31, 2013 6:22 AM

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how about minerva ???

while we didn't see her .
May 31, 2013 6:28 AM

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Oh gosh I can see myself crying in the next chapter already :(

Thought Natsu would go into Dragon Force mode but I guess not (yet?)

Interested in knowing what Minerva will be up to too
May 31, 2013 6:42 AM

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Another epic chapter. Also like that even though Natsu is still hurting and angry about F!Lucy's death he still doesn't go for the easy option of taking out present rogue. He knows who the enemy is and he's going for him right now.

Even so Ultear proves once again why she is SUCH A FREAKIN BADASS OF A WOMAN.
May 31, 2013 7:01 AM

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Rogue, rogue, rogue. Seems like the guy is the center of attention in this chapter/arc. Oh and badass face at the end:

May 31, 2013 7:15 AM

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This was a very epic chapter. I wasn't aware that Future Lucy and Future Rogue came from two different futures, the timeline helped a lot :D
May 31, 2013 7:17 AM

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I expected Ultear to understand time travel because she has time manipulation magic. She could end up doing what I expect, but we'll see.



We saw the time line at the beginning of the chapter so present Lucy doesn't have to become future Lucy while present Rogue doesn't have to become evil either.

Ultear only needs to kill Rogue's shadow as that seems to be the trigger to turn him evil. Killing him would protect the present time line if she can't kill the shadow, but that should only be the last resort.
May 31, 2013 7:43 AM

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bIuecrimson said:
I expected Ultear to understand time travel because she has time manipulation magic. She could end up doing what I expect, but we'll see.



We saw the time line at the beginning of the chapter so present Lucy doesn't have to become future Lucy while present Rogue doesn't have to become evil either.

Ultear only needs to kill Rogue's shadow as that seems to be the trigger to turn him evil. Killing him would protect the present time line if she can't kill the shadow, but that should only be the last resort.


Actually killing Rogue won't stop anything. Future Rogue is only responsible for Eclipse 2. Eclipse one would still happen because the kingdom wants to kill Zeref. sadly Ultear and Crime Sorciere don't know this and thing that killing Rogue will stop the eclipse from opening.
May 31, 2013 8:43 AM
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People are making a big fuss too early again. The last panel is there to create suspense and add some sort of gray morality to the story. Remember that Rogue is guarded by a dragon (which Ultear obviously has no chance again), then also Shadow. And as darklight has pointed out killing Rogue will also not change anything (because of multiverse/ alternate realities and such), dragons and Acnologia are still there. So yeah it obvious that Future Rogue will not be defeated this way.
May 31, 2013 8:45 AM

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Ultear has made her decision to kill Rogue. Can't wait to see what happens next.
May 31, 2013 9:04 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
bIuecrimson said:
I expected Ultear to understand time travel because she has time manipulation magic. She could end up doing what I expect, but we'll see.



We saw the time line at the beginning of the chapter so present Lucy doesn't have to become future Lucy while present Rogue doesn't have to become evil either.

Ultear only needs to kill Rogue's shadow as that seems to be the trigger to turn him evil. Killing him would protect the present time line if she can't kill the shadow, but that should only be the last resort.


Actually killing Rogue won't stop anything. Future Rogue is only responsible for Eclipse 2. Eclipse one would still happen because the kingdom wants to kill Zeref. sadly Ultear and Crime Sorciere don't know this and thing that killing Rogue will stop the eclipse from opening.


Huh? Isn't the reason why Ultear wants to kill Rouge is for Future Rouge to disappear and it has nothing to do with the Eclipse anymore since it was already opened in the present timeline?

Anyways, my theory on timeline was kinda correct.
May 31, 2013 9:11 AM
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Huh? Isn't the reason why Ultear wants to kill Rouge is for Future Rouge to disappear and it has nothing to do with the Eclipse anymore since it was already opened in the present timeline?

Anyways, my theory on timeline was kinda correct.

The point is killing Rogue does not necessarily make F Rogue disappear, because there are alternate realities and such. The first chart in the chapter clearly explains that there are multiple futures with different results. Think about this way: the present is still the future of the past, combine with the former fact we can get multiple versions of present Rogue as well. So killing Rogue will not matter as there are still an alternate version of him that will become Future Rogue.
May 31, 2013 9:13 AM
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Nashi7 said:

Huh? Isn't the reason why Ultear wants to kill Rouge is for Future Rouge to disappear and it has nothing to do with the Eclipse anymore since it was already opened in the present timeline?

Anyways, my theory on timeline was kinda correct.

The point is killing Rogue does not necessarily make F Rogue disappear, because there are alternate realities and such. The first chart in the chapter clearly explains that there are multiple futures with different results. Think about this way: the present is still the future of the past, combine with the former fact we can get multiple versions of present Rogue as well. So killing Rogue will not matter as there are still an alternate version of him that will become Future Rogue.


Yeah, I know that. But what I'm saying is that killing Rouge has nothing to do with the opening of Eclipse.

If F Rouge is from the future of the "present" timeline, then killing Rouge can make F Rouge disappear (it's like saying that F Rouge is the result of what is happening right now) but if F Rouge came from a timeline which is different from the "present timeline" then killing Rouge will not make F Rouge disappear.
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Nashi7 said:
Talukita said:
Nashi7 said:

Huh? Isn't the reason why Ultear wants to kill Rouge is for Future Rouge to disappear and it has nothing to do with the Eclipse anymore since it was already opened in the present timeline?

Anyways, my theory on timeline was kinda correct.

The point is killing Rogue does not necessarily make F Rogue disappear, because there are alternate realities and such. The first chart in the chapter clearly explains that there are multiple futures with different results. Think about this way: the present is still the future of the past, combine with the former fact we can get multiple versions of present Rogue as well. So killing Rogue will not matter as there are still an alternate version of him that will become Future Rogue.


Yeah, I know that. But what I'm saying is that killing Rouge has nothing to do with the opening of Eclipse.

If F Rouge is from the future of the "present" timeline, then killing Rouge can make F Rouge disappear (it's like saying that F Rouge is the result of what is happening right now) but if F Rouge came from a timeline which is different from the "present timeline" then killing Rouge will not make F Rouge disappear.


the point is that as long as the eclipse gate exists and is opened in any timeline, killing future Rogue won't save Earthland. The one way to stop this all from happening is destroying the gate before it is opened.
May 31, 2013 10:13 AM

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Hey, I'm just glad there's a decent story and no naked people this time;)
May 31, 2013 10:17 AM

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Hey, I'm just glad there's a decent story and no naked people this time;)
Ultear full body spread is more than eough service. There just not enough of her, so its enough for me this chapter. XD

I want these scenarinos to go through!

1) Ultear takes Rogue away from all this shit and have sex.

2) Ultear murders Rogue

3) Ultear fights Minerva, who tried to protect Rogue -> big butt battle!
May 31, 2013 10:31 AM
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Why the first one? I don't get the logic behind that one.

The third option is probably going to happen.
May 31, 2013 10:54 AM
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Darklight0303 said:
Nashi7 said:
Talukita said:
Nashi7 said:

Huh? Isn't the reason why Ultear wants to kill Rouge is for Future Rouge to disappear and it has nothing to do with the Eclipse anymore since it was already opened in the present timeline?

Anyways, my theory on timeline was kinda correct.

The point is killing Rogue does not necessarily make F Rogue disappear, because there are alternate realities and such. The first chart in the chapter clearly explains that there are multiple futures with different results. Think about this way: the present is still the future of the past, combine with the former fact we can get multiple versions of present Rogue as well. So killing Rogue will not matter as there are still an alternate version of him that will become Future Rogue.


Yeah, I know that. But what I'm saying is that killing Rouge has nothing to do with the opening of Eclipse.

If F Rouge is from the future of the "present" timeline, then killing Rouge can make F Rouge disappear (it's like saying that F Rouge is the result of what is happening right now) but if F Rouge came from a timeline which is different from the "present timeline" then killing Rouge will not make F Rouge disappear.


the point is that as long as the eclipse gate exists and is opened in any timeline, killing future Rogue won't save Earthland. The one way to stop this all from happening is destroying the gate before it is opened.


I can understand what and the 3 of you are saying but what is bothering me is that on the timeline we see that FRouge is going back in time but don't show us how he make a deal with the dragons.
If the dragons are from 400 year ago he must go first there and to control and to deal with them.
May 31, 2013 10:57 AM

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aria93 said:
Ultear vs Rogue.

Let's see if this turns out to be a tragedy.
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May 31, 2013 11:23 AM

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gerakilykos said:
Darklight0303 said:
Nashi7 said:
Talukita said:
Nashi7 said:

Huh? Isn't the reason why Ultear wants to kill Rouge is for Future Rouge to disappear and it has nothing to do with the Eclipse anymore since it was already opened in the present timeline?

Anyways, my theory on timeline was kinda correct.

The point is killing Rogue does not necessarily make F Rogue disappear, because there are alternate realities and such. The first chart in the chapter clearly explains that there are multiple futures with different results. Think about this way: the present is still the future of the past, combine with the former fact we can get multiple versions of present Rogue as well. So killing Rogue will not matter as there are still an alternate version of him that will become Future Rogue.


Yeah, I know that. But what I'm saying is that killing Rouge has nothing to do with the opening of Eclipse.

If F Rouge is from the future of the "present" timeline, then killing Rouge can make F Rouge disappear (it's like saying that F Rouge is the result of what is happening right now) but if F Rouge came from a timeline which is different from the "present timeline" then killing Rouge will not make F Rouge disappear.


the point is that as long as the eclipse gate exists and is opened in any timeline, killing future Rogue won't save Earthland. The one way to stop this all from happening is destroying the gate before it is opened.


I can understand what and the 3 of you are saying but what is bothering me is that on the timeline we see that FRouge is going back in time but don't show us how he make a deal with the dragons.
If the dragons are from 400 year ago he must go first there and to control and to deal with them.


He never made any deal with them. That's just instructions via his magic. As we saw with Atlas he didn't even know he was being controlled. So the other dragons obey him as if they had made some kind of deal. Dragons have no interest to make a deal with Rogue. They would not want a human to rule THEIR world.
May 31, 2013 11:41 AM

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Nice chapter, Ultear resolve oh shit.
May 31, 2013 11:46 AM

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Good to see some Ultear :)
May 31, 2013 1:37 PM
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Darklight0303 said:
bIuecrimson said:
I expected Ultear to understand time travel because she has time manipulation magic. She could end up doing what I expect, but we'll see.



We saw the time line at the beginning of the chapter so present Lucy doesn't have to become future Lucy while present Rogue doesn't have to become evil either.

Ultear only needs to kill Rogue's shadow as that seems to be the trigger to turn him evil. Killing him would protect the present time line if she can't kill the shadow, but that should only be the last resort.


Actually killing Rogue won't stop anything. Future Rogue is only responsible for Eclipse 2. Eclipse one would still happen because the kingdom wants to kill Zeref. sadly Ultear and Crime Sorciere don't know this and thing that killing Rogue will stop the eclipse from opening.


There is also a possibility that Ultear is the one who make Rogue turn evil. Just a theory though. I really want to see how Mashima solves this.
And if Ultear were to kill Rogue wouldn't that have created a sort of a paradox.
May 31, 2013 4:17 PM

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Why the first one? I don't get the logic behind that one.

The third option is probably going to happen.
Well, Ultear is single for a long time and she popular with FT fans and I'm assuming her nice body has to do something with it. So this chapter is a rarity to show how dark Ultear can be or how changed she has. Ultear taking Rogue away from the battle and falling in love, would change his future hugely.
May 31, 2013 4:52 PM

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My girl Ultear is back! And she's looking fine as ever!
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May 31, 2013 5:32 PM

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My girl Ultear is back! And she's looking fine as ever!
Enjoy her body spread? Haha, I love how the author still added some sort of service in a high tension chapter. Anything revolves killing, is high tension in this series, but I love Natsu response to killing Rogue. Good guy!
May 31, 2013 6:02 PM

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Hiro's setting himself up for some major plotholes. If Rogue dies then this never happened which means Ultear never had a reason to kill Rogue in the first place and ..oh snap.
"But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital...
and now we are two and one of us has to be shit."
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May 31, 2013 6:27 PM
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The next chaper 334 sins and sacrifice...... I hope ultear wont die on the next chapter. Same goes for Present Rogue...
I have a bad feeling that present rogue will kill himself as a sacrifice to stop the destruction of his future self
or... Ultear will sacrifice herself to fight the dragons and present rogue to atone for her past sins.
May 31, 2013 6:54 PM
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this chapter was better than naruto and bleach! that's all!
May 31, 2013 7:33 PM

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Ultear tries to kill rogue. The dragon and/or Rogue ends up killing Ultear & starts his journey of darkness.
Jun 1, 2013 7:18 AM

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Ultear tries to kill rogue. The dragon and/or Rogue ends up killing Ultear & starts his journey of darkness.
NOOOO! Ultear so hot, but I guess being dead is kind of hot too. XD

Serious, I hope not. I rather have Rogue dead, even though he is handsome. I am huger Ultear fan.
Jun 1, 2013 7:37 AM
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Meh
Just give me a hammer, a tractor tire and a frozen bag of peas and watch me destroy the world...
Jun 1, 2013 1:15 PM
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With the introduction of this time-travel business, I think it's safe to say that Nastu, Gajeel, and Wendy were originally from 400 years ago and traveled through time without knowing, thinking that the dragons disappeared when it was actually them that disappeared. Also according to the Fairy Tail Battle Royale thing from quite a while ago, Gajeel and Natsu are both over 80 years old. So either the 3 dragon slayers were frozen in time for 400 years, or they traveled through time and the runes considered them above 80 years old because the runes judged age by birth date minus present date and not because of how long they lived.
Jun 1, 2013 1:39 PM

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I hope that Ultear won't kill Rogue. But it will be interesting fight...
Jun 1, 2013 4:34 PM

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I want Ultear to fight Rouge but no kill.
I am speechless yet still commenting.
Wow Natsu is still in pain.
Dragon fight is awesome!!
Jun 2, 2013 7:26 AM
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The time table was helpful, that confirms F.Lucy and F.Rogue came from different time line.

Can't wait for some Ultear next chapter.
Jun 2, 2013 8:16 AM

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They found a weakness!! :O but I hope present Rogue will defeat the dark shadow he has! Then he won't have to be killed!
Jun 7, 2013 4:30 PM

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What a difficult decision of Ultear. To kill or not to kill Rogue.
Jun 28, 2013 3:39 PM

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Something tells me Urtear will fail to kill Rogue since the "shadow" will probably come out.
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aria93 said:
Ultear vs Rogue.

Let's see if this turns out to be a tragedy.
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