"I hate nice girls" - Hachiman Hikigaya

witacume said:
some typical Shounen guy who looks great and gets all the girls.

tsudecimo said:

Than almost never happen in anime unless you mean wimpy harem male leads.

OnT : Never happened to me IRL but I understood how Hikki felt.

Ascius said:
Been there, I've been a loner the whole life, haven't had more that a few (lets call them "friends") before "that" happened either, but basically two such situations struck a killing blow, after that I've never even talked with people without having a reason to do so.

When I was still in school, I just came in time, passed all the lessons doing whatever, all the breaks were me, sitting at the desk listening to music, tinkering with some stuff or just going somewhere where there weren't many people and doing nothing, pretty much the same as 8man as we've seen, if not my wacky appearance then I would have been invisible too.

If someone tried to talk to me I just didn't care and send them packing... I remember the last year of high school a girl form the class came to ask me why I always look so angry, she was a strange and interesting person, but I was an idiot as always, so it was officially the last girl that talked to me without having a reason to... god it's been a bit more than 4 years since then.

Anyway it's a long story, but somewhere along the way I just stopped caring and gave up on the whole idea of relationships, friends, etc.

Ascius said:
Been there, I've been a loner the whole life, haven't had more that a few (lets call them "friends") before "that" happened either, but basically two such situations struck a killing blow, after that I've never even talked with people without having a reason to do so.

When I was still in school, I just came in time, passed all the lessons doing whatever, all the breaks were me, sitting at the desk listening to music, tinkering with some stuff or just going somewhere where there weren't many people and doing nothing, pretty much the same as 8man as we've seen, if not my wacky appearance then I would have been invisible too.

If someone tried to talk to me I just didn't care and send them packing... I remember the last year of high school a girl form the class came to ask me why I always look so angry, she was a strange and interesting person, but I was an idiot as always, so it was officially the last girl that talked to me without having a reason to... god it's been a bit more than 4 years since then.

Anyway it's a long story, but somewhere along the way I just stopped caring and gave up on the whole idea of relationships, friends, etc.

So to say it, yes I do hate nice girls, I consider the whole nature of being nice to everyone as a lie.

Ascius said:
Been there, I've been a loner the whole life, haven't had more that a few (lets call them "friends") before "that" happened either, but basically two such situations struck a killing blow, after that I've never even talked with people without having a reason to do so.

When I was still in school, I just came in time, passed all the lessons doing whatever, all the breaks were me, sitting at the desk listening to music, tinkering with some stuff or just going somewhere where there weren't many people and doing nothing, pretty much the same as 8man as we've seen, if not my wacky appearance then I would have been invisible too.

If someone tried to talk to me I just didn't care and send them packing... I remember the last year of high school a girl form the class came to ask me why I always look so angry, she was a strange and interesting person, but I was an idiot as always, so it was officially the last girl that talked to me without having a reason to... god it's been a bit more than 4 years since then.

Anyway it's a long story, but somewhere along the way I just stopped caring and gave up on the whole idea of relationships, friends, etc.

So to say it, yes I do hate nice girls, I consider the whole nature of being nice to everyone as a lie.

Chakaara said:
Do you want to make me cry or what ?

GoldenBRS said:
That's quite dumb. In my opinion.

OfficialGuts said:
Kind of.. I'm really shy with girls because I'm not a confident person in my everyday life, which lead me to close myself when I'm out and girls try to talk to me. Sure I've had a few good experiences, but most of the time it ends up with me being distant and the girl giving up on me or me getting in the friendzone.
But I'm not really a loner per say, even though I like to enjoy some time alone every week.

Naoki-Saten said:
"Not really"

Being a loner myself, I can relate to Hikigaya's monologue.
However, I myself do not hate nice girls. Being nice is part of some people's personality. Having as many friends as possible is a rather natural desire, especially among girls. Heck, I had classmates for who, flirting was part of an everyday conversation. I doubt they noticed that themselves. There is no malice there, therefore I have no reason to feel hatred. Of course, it's hard for me to be around those people and it gets really awkward if they are extremely friendly. Once again, that's not something I would hate them over, even though I'm totally incompatible with them.

Hikigaya's problem is that he easily gets the wrong idea if girls act friendly towards him. Being a pessimist, I have already lost the ability to get the wrong Idea, so friendly types don't bother me as much as they do him. Also, I have not been 'bitten' the way Hikigaya was, so maybe my opinion would be different if I suffered the same way he did.

What I hate are hypocrites. The types who act all friendly around pretty much anyone even though they don't care about half of them and hate the guts of the other half. Those people who merely put on an act in order to be popular or to be the center of attention really do piss me off.

MysticHaze said:
The problem is that guys tend to interpret a girl's kindness that only they receive, however, nice people in general are nice to everyone not just girls. But because us guys create the illusion that we have a chance the date this girl we end up feeling like idiots and blaming the girls when it doesn't work out.

Happened to me before but I recovered quickly, my friend on the other hand, absolutely hates this one girl.

ak47 said:
But what is the problem if a girl is kind to everyone? She is just as kind to you, so it shouldn't mean any less... Not everyone is faking kindness or wants something in exchange. I get what you all mean, though. Blehhh, now I have a bad taste in my mouth. I guess it just makes me feel a little sad because I can relate to the "nice girl" or whatever...
This anime looks interesting btw, I might start watching it.

MellowJello said:
So do girls hate nice guys? Teehee.

AironicallyHuman said:
It's the hope that kills you. That's true, no matter the context. And if you're a lonely guy that misinterprets kindness for something more, after opening yourself up, it hurts. So much so that, even though 'nice girl' probably wasn't even aware she was doing anything wrong by being friendly, to the lonely male it'd feel like betrayal. In fiction, the best example of this is in Onani Master Kurosawa: the whole plot practically being built on a take-interest-in-no-one-to-avoid-pain realist opening his heart to a girl that kept talking to him as he hid away during lunch in the library; falling for the trap Hikigaya wants to avoid.

Hikigaya's observations and thought process take this series up so many levels, compared to the usual harem pish. My expectations had lowered after the shemale harem member got introduced but Hikigaya's reaction to learning why Nice Gurl started being all "Hikki~" friendly with him raised it back up. It's so easy to relate to him when he recalls his memories, or makes a cynical comment about those around him--truly a great character.

AironicallyHuman said:
It's the hope that kills you. That's true, no matter the context. And if you're a lonely guy that misinterprets kindness for something more, after opening yourself up, it hurts. So much so that, even though 'nice girl' probably wasn't even aware she was doing anything wrong by being friendly, to the lonely male it'd feel like betrayal. In fiction, the best example of this is in Onani Master Kurosawa: the whole plot practically being built on a take-interest-in-no-one-to-avoid-pain realist opening his heart to a girl that kept talking to him as he hid away during lunch in the library; falling for the trap Hikigaya wants to avoid.

Hikigaya's observations and thought process take this series up so many levels, compared to the usual harem pish. My expectations had lowered after the shemale harem member got introduced but Hikigaya's reaction to learning why Nice Gurl started being all "Hikki~" friendly with him raised it back up. It's so easy to relate to him when he recalls his memories, or makes a cynical comment about those around him--truly a great character.

mogana said:
i hope you guys realize the entire concept of the friendzone is complete and utter bullshit.

while i understand that the monologue can "strike a chord" with many people (namely men), you have to understand that because a girl is nice doesn't mean she owes you anything. people are nice sometimes, because being nice is cool. i'm generally a nice person to those around me, because i feel it accomplishes more than being rude! if the girl you liked that turned you down never gave you the light of day to begin with, what would you say about her then? probably something akin to "she's a bitch. she thinks she's high and mighty, but she's not better than me" right? when does a girl get to win?

yes, it might hurt when a girl you like turns you down because she sees your relationship as platonic, but what it boils down to is that being nice to you never was nor will it ever be a contract. a girl who asks for your help, or helps you, or is kind in general is not obligated to have romantic feelings for you. if you fall in love, and your feelings are hurt--i'm not going to say it's your fault, because the heart's a fickle thing and we can't control who we love!--but it's especially not her fault, and it's a shitty thing to walk around with the idea that nice girls (and possibly all girls) are awful because one wouldn't go to prom with you even though she laughed at your jokes. and it's bad to think nice people are only nice to undermine everyone else in general.

it's pretty great that this anime is about a character type we don't see often in anime, but that doesn't make hikigaya's mindset in this case justifiable or right. it's extremely problematic, actually. Naoki-Saten said it already, and that's that Hikigaya has a huge problem with taking things the wrong way, which in the end puts him in these situations that lead him to wrongly blaming others for the bad experiences he goes through.

Vanisher said:
The post above yours is a great example of why it's pretty justifiable.

Red_Keys said:
^ And that's one of his character flaws, and should be dealt with by means of character development, making the story interesting, and making him a dimensional character.

Depending on the story, a good character should always be better liked by the audience and a better person by the end of the show than they were at the beginning.

mogana said:


yes, that's what i'm hoping for. i want to see him, and by extension the audience, to realize that that frame of mind is a really unhealthy one to have. i have no problems with hikki as a character since after all, bad characters do not automatically mean bad writing; my problem is the people here who hear speeches like his and relate to them in a manner that allows them to believe it's ok to think that if a girl (or person) is nice to you but doesn't put out they're automatically evil and trying to hurt you deliberately.

AnimeHAwk616 said:
You now what they say.. "Nice guys finish last"

but treating them like trash is even worse.

guyklc said:
... Whenever I meet someone nice, I thought I've finally met a real friend. But then, I realized that they are nice to everyone. And because they are nice to everyone, everyone else wants their help and comforting. Eventually, these nice people moved on to helping other people, and I can't help but feel that they've forgotten about me.

It was a nice scene, though. It made me realized that the reason why nice people left wasn't because they betrayed me, but because they are too generally nice helping other people.

Vanisher said:

No one said they want to hurt people, in fact it's exactly what they don't want. But they might end up hurting someone in the process.

Red_Keys said:
I hate to say it, but I'm one of those "nice" people. I just can't stand to not be nice to somebody, even if I really don't like them.

There was this girl that I knew in middle school. She was really fucking weird, and nobody really liked her. But for some reason, she would always talk to me. I hate to sound like an asshole, but I really did not want to talk to her. At all.

And yet, I did. I was always nice to her. I kind of "led her on", so to say, with friendship.... But as soon as she was around me, and contact was unavoidable, I put on the "mask" of being friendly. If I was with other people and she came up to me, the other people would pretty much leave, so it would be just me and her. Other people were mean enough, so she never approached them.

Naoki-Saten said:
Rather than be artificially nice or preventively rude, can't we just all be ourselves?

Red_Keys said:
Wow I sound like a complete selfish asshole. And I kinda am an asshole. Actually, if you read the story I wrote a while back about how I lost my virginity, it was kind of a situation similar to this. I completely led this girl on, and even had sex with her, all because I didn't have the guts to turn her down. In the end, I really hurt her, and I feel shitty every time I think about it.

tsudecimo said:
That exactly like my situation except I don't know if some people hate me or not but I generally don't put a facade I say a lot of rude thing to people I don't like who are kinda clingy the weird part is I don't even realize I was being rude , my friends usually point out to me that I was rude.

Ascius said:
Well I didn't think I was being rude or angry too, as I've said, until one girl in class came and asked me why I always look so angry. While I didn't learn anything from it, I must say I succeeded on getting people away from me.

Niyawa said:

Rude: Offensively impolite or ill-mannered

Inside your head you were thinking "please just leave me alone", that was inside your head. People ask things because they don't know the answer to the question they asked. So if you ignore someone even though they didn't do anything wrong, the only conclusion one would usually have is "you're being rude". In fact, it's already very childish to ignore people anyway. Humans can't read minds iirc, you need to speak what you're thinking.