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Mar 25, 2013 9:15 AM
#51
People seem to think that 5 = utter shit, not 5 = average, so I don't tend to agree, no. I haven't really seen any anime with a decent number of reviewers that got much lower than a 7 average. |
Mar 25, 2013 9:54 AM
#52
On a personal level, no. But in general, yes. There are hundreds of thousands of people voting, so it is a quite accurate measure of what people of this/our generation like to watch. Does that mean that you have to like or rate those anime highly? Of course not. That's why you have your own list. Sooo... overall, it makes no difference to me, I just like to see what is popular among the site users, even if I don't agree with it. |
Mar 25, 2013 11:17 AM
#53
Mar 25, 2013 11:19 AM
#54
Nutti said: On a personal level, no. But in general, yes. There are hundreds of thousands of people voting, so it is a quite accurate measure of what people of this/our generation like to watch. Does that mean that you have to like or rate those anime highly? Of course not. That's why you have your own list. Sooo... overall, it makes no difference to me, I just like to see what is popular among the site users, even if I don't agree with it. So are you trying to imply that the ratings here are objective? |
Mar 25, 2013 11:22 AM
#55
Tennouji_ said: Nutti said: On a personal level, no. But in general, yes. There are hundreds of thousands of people voting, so it is a quite accurate measure of what people of this/our generation like to watch. Does that mean that you have to like or rate those anime highly? Of course not. That's why you have your own list. Sooo... overall, it makes no difference to me, I just like to see what is popular among the site users, even if I don't agree with it. So are you trying to imply that the ratings here are objective? The average ratings ARE objective. Thought you'd realize that ages ago. |
Mar 25, 2013 11:27 AM
#56
Surprisingly Yes. I can usually understand why Anime A is more popular or higher rated than Anime B even if I don't agree myself. I tend to watch all the hyped stuff too and more often than not end up enjoying it just as much as the majority. And even if I don't I mostly see why it is so popular (SAO for example). There's also the fact that mainstream viewers tend to rate higher, so for shows with only a couple of hundred viewers on MAL they are most likely to consist of harsher raters so I know that an average of ~9 for Code Geass with about a million voters can be considered much worse than 8.20 for something like Future Boy Conan, which suffers from being unknown AND old. |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Mar 25, 2013 11:33 AM
#57
Whell moust reatings on mal are from 6 to 8 so no i don't |
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Mar 25, 2013 12:10 PM
#58
No, and I don't think anybody ever will. But that's not how this thing works. I think the top 250 list is surprisingly high quality on this site, for a popularity contest. There's a few that are absurd, but even the ones I don't care for nearly as much, tend to be understandable. The ones from the top 60 I cannot abide are these: Gintama (top 60 maybe, but not #1 3 and 6.) Gurren Lagann Movies Hellsing Ultimate Madoka Magica movies (I don't like when reprint movies share the spotlight, it's essentially the same thing hogging the top ranks) Kuroko no Basuket Chihayafuru 2 (so overrated) and a bit too many sports anime up there. Not saying that there shouldn't be any...but this is too many. |
Mar 25, 2013 12:15 PM
#59
ADiosMio said: People seem to think that 5 = utter shit, not 5 = average, so I don't tend to agree, no. I haven't really seen any anime with a decent number of reviewers that got much lower than a 7 average. According to the overall score scaling on this website, and ignoring the little phrase that MAL puts next to each score, 5 is totally utter shit. Only the worst of the worst get 5s on this site. 6 is usually trash anime, 7 is average, ok, or extremely underrated, and 8 have various tiers of quality (although I suppose that goes for 7s. I don't exactly fit my scale to match the MAL scaling, but my average score is 7.85 because I rarely go below 7, and I only pick out anime that I know I'll really like (which happens to be an incredibly large amount.) |
Mar 25, 2013 12:18 PM
#60
ovoon7 said: No, and I don't think anybody ever will. But that's not how this thing works. I think the top 250 list is surprisingly high quality on this site, for a popularity contest. There's a few that are absurd, but even the ones I don't care for nearly as much, tend to be understandable. The ones from the top 60 I cannot abide are these: Gintama (top 60 maybe, but not #1 3 and 6.) Gurren Lagann Movies Hellsing Ultimate Madoka Magica movies (I don't like when reprint movies share the spotlight, it's essentially the same thing hogging the top ranks) Kuroko no Basuket Chihayafuru 2 (so overrated) and a bit too many sports anime up there. Not saying that there shouldn't be any...but this is too many. You're right, I also can't abide the rating for Chihayafuru. It should be a lot higher. |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Mar 25, 2013 12:39 PM
#61
Higashi_no_Kaze said: ovoon7 said: No, and I don't think anybody ever will. But that's not how this thing works. I think the top 250 list is surprisingly high quality on this site, for a popularity contest. There's a few that are absurd, but even the ones I don't care for nearly as much, tend to be understandable. The ones from the top 60 I cannot abide are these: Gintama (top 60 maybe, but not #1 3 and 6.) Gurren Lagann Movies Hellsing Ultimate Madoka Magica movies (I don't like when reprint movies share the spotlight, it's essentially the same thing hogging the top ranks) Kuroko no Basuket Chihayafuru 2 (so overrated) and a bit too many sports anime up there. Not saying that there shouldn't be any...but this is too many. You're right, I also can't abide the rating for Chihayafuru. It should be a lot higher. Generic sports anime in every sense of the word, structurally, and plot wise. Only reason people are intrigued is because they took a boring sport that hardly anyone cares about and over dramaticized it. I'd be more ok with it if the series isn't going at the slowest pace in the world, but instead we have these kids obsessing over their card game like it's the only thing that matters, and weird looking side characters. Notice how none of the male side characters ever show their eyes? Or how all of the female side characters look funky? After they introduced them, I was surprised that they developed the side characters so well. Then the main characters look the complete opposite of the side characters, as if the art style changed. The women (and especially the men) look femininely beautiful and detailed, everyone has eyes that looks brilliant and vibrant. It's a heavy contrast, and it's distracting. Karuta was an interesting game, and if the show was 13 episodes I would be more into it. But it quickly became boring. And the cheesy "lets get more kids interesting in Karuta" gimmick that is poured into this show is painfully obvious. They show normal people baffled at how Karuta is any good, and they walk in on a practice match and are blown away at how intense and slow mo filled the matches are. I've watched Karuta in real life, and it didn't make my jaw drop. Not that it wasn't interesting to watch, but I never gasped at a game of chess. |
Mar 25, 2013 1:21 PM
#62
I tend to agree with 90% of the scores on this site. And when I don't agree I can definitely understand it. There have only been a handful of anime where I'm completely shocked at the score. So far from all the anime I've seen in the top 100, I agree with, aside from Toradora!. And there is indeed too much sport anime in there. |
Mar 25, 2013 1:25 PM
#63
I kind of agree with them, but the fact that I know there are fake accounts made just to drag down/up scores makes me a little unsure. In the end I know that my taste will always differ from the ratings however I must say that most of what i've watched from the top anime list i've liked. |
Mar 25, 2013 1:32 PM
#64
Now this topic is going where it was supposed to. |
Mar 25, 2013 1:47 PM
#65
Well, I agree that the ones I've seen off of it were worth watching and appear on the "good"half of my scale if I separated it into just good (6 and above) and bad (5 and below), but not the exact ratings and ranking no. |
KruszerMar 26, 2013 3:35 PM
Mar 25, 2013 1:53 PM
#66
I agree 75% of the time |
Mar 26, 2013 7:43 AM
#67
ovoon7 said: ADiosMio said: People seem to think that 5 = utter shit, not 5 = average, so I don't tend to agree, no. I haven't really seen any anime with a decent number of reviewers that got much lower than a 7 average. According to the overall score scaling on this website, and ignoring the little phrase that MAL puts next to each score, 5 is totally utter shit. Only the worst of the worst get 5s on this site. 6 is usually trash anime, 7 is average, ok, or extremely underrated, and 8 have various tiers of quality (although I suppose that goes for 7s. I don't exactly fit my scale to match the MAL scaling, but my average score is 7.85 because I rarely go below 7, and I only pick out anime that I know I'll really like (which happens to be an incredibly large amount.) There is the problem, people who really hold that opinion...... they go off what they think the scoring system should mean and not what it actually does, that's what leads to extremely misleading and inflated scores. I wish people would take the scoring system seriously and abide by what MAL intends it to mean. 5/10=Average...... I would say to users, if you see a show as average please don't give it a 7/10...... god how I wish people would actually take notice of the scoring system. If you view a show as utter trash give it a 3/10 which means very bad! Do not give it a 6/10..... honestly the scoring system is set out so simply and yet people still can't go along with it, it's unbelievable. Of course I would never recommend a show I consider average, I would only recommend shows that I considered good 7/10 and above..... however speaking for myself the shows I scored as 6/10 are what they say on the tin, they're fine and above average, better than the standard fair imo. Anyway I'm starting to rant but what I will say is that the real issue is at the top end of the scale. I really wish people wouldn't had out 9's and 10's as if they were going out of fashion. Please only give such extremely high scores to shows you feel really deserve it and don't be afraid to score below a 6/10 lol P.S. To the originator of this thread I will say that I agree City Hunter is a very good show and does deserve more exposure and to be higher in my opinion. P.P.S. I've always wished that there was a half way point between whole numbers in the scoring system. For example you may have several anime scored at the 8/10 mark however you might view some as stronger 8/10's but still not worthy of what an 9/10 means. It would be nice to be able to score those shows as 8.5/10 As for the ratings remember that old saying.... One mans trash is another mans gold. |
CharlesTheWiseMar 26, 2013 8:09 AM
Mar 26, 2013 8:10 AM
#68
Death Note's rating is the biggest travesty on this site. It's a crime how many stupid people think that anime is anything more than a steaming pile of poorly-written, overburdened, head-up-its-own-ass tripe with bad characters, no character development, and the gall to not one but TWO pointless cat-and-mouse games that serve no purpose greater than giving the participants entire FUCKING PAGES to TALK. TO. THEM. SELVES. FUCK. DEATH. NOTE. |
Mar 26, 2013 8:31 AM
#69
It's really hard to work with the 10 points system. I like the 5 stars from AP more. For ex if 5 is average, what does a 6 show look like? And if 6 is a little above average, what is 7? |
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Mar 26, 2013 8:35 AM
#70
Mar 26, 2013 8:40 AM
#71
bloodlover said: It's the same 10 point system, just using stars and half stars.It's really hard to work with the 10 points system. I like the 5 stars from AP more. For ex if 5 is average, what does a 6 show look like? And if 6 is a little above average, what is 7? A 6 is slightly above a 5, and a 7 slightly above that. It's just like AP, you think about how much you liked the anime and put it on the scale. You think it's better than average but not very good then you put it between that. |
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Mar 26, 2013 10:02 AM
#72
I would agree with it if the whole top 100 was LoGH. |
Mar 26, 2013 11:29 AM
#73
Baman said: I would agree with it if the whole top 100 was LoGH. Elitist!! |
Mar 26, 2013 12:35 PM
#74
People have different taste therefore it will never be accurate. |
You best be joking, nigger. |
Mar 26, 2013 12:36 PM
#75
etatau said: Is it weird that I imagine your face right now to look exactly like your avatar?Death Note's rating is the biggest travesty on this site. It's a crime how many stupid people think that anime is anything more than a steaming pile of poorly-written, overburdened, head-up-its-own-ass tripe with bad characters, no character development, and the gall to not one but TWO pointless cat-and-mouse games that serve no purpose greater than giving the participants entire FUCKING PAGES to TALK. TO. THEM. SELVES. FUCK. DEATH. NOTE. |
Mar 26, 2013 1:04 PM
#77
I think the rankings on MAL are more a reflection of popularity than of taste and this is reflected in the way the rankings change continually, with newer shows dethroning older ones. I mean without a shadow of doubt LOGH is the greatest anime ever made and yet it's displaced by Gintama' - (Don't get me wrong I love Gintama to bits but the firs 100 episodes represent the Zenith of that show's quirkiness and although it's still fresh today it isn't quite as wonderful as it was in its glory days BUT - the new season is #1 by virtue of being new!) Steins;Gate is a great show, well researched, well implemented plot-line only it doesn't deserve its place either, it's simply new and more MAL users have seen it. #9 Code Geass R2 - a clear example of popularity winning over substance - R2 has the most terrible writing I've ever seen EVER and unlike most of the people who have given it this rating I've seen it numerous times and the flaws keep staring me in the face. In general though, MAL ratings won't let you down if you're looking for a decent show. By this I mean you can never watch a show that's rated 8 and above and end up hating it, anything with an 8+ rating will have some redeeming qualities to it. One of the most revealing things to look at can be the statistics (with the % distribution of ratings) LOGH & Gintama both have a higher % of 10 ratings than FMA: Brotherhood (Another one that doesn't deserve its place) this is even though it is above LOGH in the rankings - and so I feel the distribution of scores is the best statistic to go by. |
Mar 26, 2013 1:10 PM
#78
I.. I never even saw the rankings before... not interested |
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Mar 26, 2013 2:04 PM
#79
etatau said: Death Note's rating is the biggest travesty on this site. It's a crime how many stupid people think that anime is anything more than a steaming pile of poorly-written, overburdened, head-up-its-own-ass tripe with bad characters, no character development, and the gall to not one but TWO pointless cat-and-mouse games that serve no purpose greater than giving the participants entire FUCKING PAGES to TALK. TO. THEM. SELVES. FUCK. DEATH. NOTE. "People having different opinions than me is a travesty!" bloodlover said: It's really hard to work with the 10 points system. I like the 5 stars from AP more. For ex if 5 is average, what does a 6 show look like? And if 6 is a little above average, what is 7? A 5-point system is no different from a 5-point one. |
rederoinMar 26, 2013 2:11 PM
Mar 26, 2013 3:23 PM
#80
Shrabster said: For the most part it's just a big popularity contest, so no. This. |
Mar 26, 2013 3:37 PM
#81
No; there is way to much complete crap in the top 100 here. |
Mar 26, 2013 3:42 PM
#82
Agree with half, disagree with the other half. |
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Mar 26, 2013 3:47 PM
#83
Shrabster said: For the most part it's just a big popularity contest, so no. So the majority of anime viewers vote them up and because a small group of the viewers don't like that style of anime they don't deserve their rank? That makes perfect sense! |
Mar 26, 2013 3:49 PM
#84
I am open to just about everything. My standards are not set high, if I wanted to watch a anime at random and watched a random one in the top 100, I'm almost for sure I'd enjoy it. MAL's rating are clearly not the best, but it still seperates the 'good' from the bad. If you're thinking: "Good from the bad? There's so much shit on the top." then my response to that: That's your opinion. More than enough people have rated it high enough to represent its value, if everyone thought it was shit like you believe it is, then it would not have scored its score. |
Mar 26, 2013 3:54 PM
#85
I agree with more than 50% of the scores. Though this is also the case with any other rating/review aggregators like Metacritic or IMDB. I mean do you agree with the IMDB Top 250. I am quite sure you can list some movies that definitely should be in Top 250 but are not. Though I also think that rating databases are generally skewed by opinion of a minor set of consumers, see for example the revenue opening a twilight movie gets which rivals that of a movie like The Dark Knight Rises. If you go by the IMDB rating you can see that most of the people think they(Twilight movies) suck; still people line-up for the sequels on the opening day. So there is a big disparity in the set of people that voice their opinion. Though I don't think this would apply much on MAL as the set of people that watch lots of anime/read manga are already active here. |
alanwakeMar 26, 2013 3:58 PM
Mar 26, 2013 5:50 PM
#86
I am agree with the scores , sometimes i don,t like a top anime, but i can see why people rate it in that way, but maybe they value things that i don,t care. Anyway when u see something with more than 8, always the show has something to be proud of. I don,t understand all haters with the ranks, it,s opinion and if your ratings differs from the majority is because your taste is different than the average consumer. For me an 8 in seinen is mostly sure i will enjoy, but i,m not fan of comedy and this 8 maybe it,s soso for me if is comedy. For old shows some people is picky and can,t stand with old animation, for me dont care... Here everything is taste... We shoukdn,t complain as much, and use just the ratings as indicators! Mot as the real true |
Mar 26, 2013 6:12 PM
#87
No not really. |
Mar 26, 2013 8:44 PM
#88
Red_Keys said: no]Is it weird that I imagine your face right now to look exactly like your avatar? in fact that is a picture of me when i think about death note |
Mar 26, 2013 8:48 PM
#89
I'd say no, mostly because I feel it is impossible to give an objective ranking to anime when the quality of it is something that is completely subjective. |
Mar 26, 2013 10:07 PM
#90
Tartarus88 said: Shrabster said: For the most part it's just a big popularity contest, so no. So the majority of anime viewers vote them up and because a small group of the viewers don't like that style of anime they don't deserve their rank? That makes perfect sense! Especially when the thought process is, "This is my favorite anime so I'll vote it up!" without any regard to anything else. |
Mar 26, 2013 10:29 PM
#91
Id say generally they are close enough to accurate for me to 'agree' with them. Not all the time, or even most of the time, are they exact for me. They are good enough though /shrug.. |
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Mar 26, 2013 10:57 PM
#92
I don't really care. But if you really want to hear it, NO. |
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Mar 28, 2013 7:53 AM
#93
Still no. Again Gintamia ova is 1. Geez it dosen't really deserve a 1 ranking calm down people |
Mar 28, 2013 7:58 AM
#94
Shrabster said: Tartarus88 said: Shrabster said: For the most part it's just a big popularity contest, so no. So the majority of anime viewers vote them up and because a small group of the viewers don't like that style of anime they don't deserve their rank? That makes perfect sense! Especially when the thought process is, "This is my favorite anime so I'll vote it up!" without any regard to anything else. Especially for people new to Otaku world, such as myself, and anything that they like will vote a 10. And thus, the love-or-hate controversial animes was born. |
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Mar 28, 2013 7:59 AM
#95
012yArthur0 said: Shrabster said: Tartarus88 said: Shrabster said: For the most part it's just a big popularity contest, so no. So the majority of anime viewers vote them up and because a small group of the viewers don't like that style of anime they don't deserve their rank? That makes perfect sense! Especially when the thought process is, "This is my favorite anime so I'll vote it up!" without any regard to anything else. Especially for people new to Otaku world, such as myself, and anything that they like will vote a 10. And thus, the love-or-hate controversial animes was born. Yup endless debate. |
Mar 28, 2013 9:08 AM
#97
Paul said: I am open to just about everything. My standards are not set high, if I wanted to watch a anime at random and watched a random one in the top 100, I'm almost for sure I'd enjoy it. MAL's rating are clearly not the best, but it still seperates the 'good' from the bad. If you're thinking: "Good from the bad? There's so much shit on the top." then my response to that: That's your opinion. More than enough people have rated it high enough to represent its value, if everyone thought it was shit like you believe it is, then it would not have scored its score. the best answer for me! and I agree with more than a half of it, so if I have to say so mayself, Ill say, I agree with the rankings. |
Mar 28, 2013 11:25 AM
#98
it doesn't matter much to me as i just use them as a guideline and take it with a pinch of salt |
Mar 28, 2013 11:29 AM
#99
Don't mean to sound like an ass but why is Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo so damn high? It's the most generic romantic comedy you'll get, I've seen way better. Oh my subjectivity, hypocrisy at its finest! I know! I bet it goes into an age demographic reasoning, clearly it's not fucking objective. lol MAL, SAO being higher than GUP, COMPLETE AGE DIFFERENCE IN WHO WATCHED IT. |
Mar 28, 2013 11:30 AM
#100
RisingCascade said: Don't mean to sound like an ass but why is Sakurasou no Pet na Kanojo so damn high? It's the most generic romantic comedy you'll get, I've seen way better. Oh my subjectivity, hypocrisy at its finest! I know! This. Second half runis it. people praise this too much |
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