| - Just stop with the One Piece debate already, both sides are looking bad. It has more than enough fans already so who cares about a few people who blindly criticise it without knowing enough right? Also, defending it in such a zealous manner to someone like that, no matter how passionate you are, it will make you and the fan-base look bad as well, just enjoy what you enjoy man, there are plenty of people who will discuss it in all it's glory with you enthusiastically, myself included. Just tell yourself "sucks for them" ^^. -- Honestly I don't feel anime really has a bad reputation any more, at least in GTA, Canada. More people know it/heard of it nowadays than don't lol, they're all undercover. More than half my College classmates came out with it including myself when someone openly mentioned it. Even famous Hollywood actors these days quote Death Note and Code Geass from time to time. They even played the Madoka Movies Parts 1 and 2 Subbed in our local theatre this month (Canada) and guess what? It was packed. Our yearly conventions are always jam-packed with visitors and participants. The only people who think anime has a bad reputation out here are the ones who are afraid to share their own fondness of it in the open and are insecure. That said, keep it subtle, if you do. I can't speak for other countries/cities though. But Youtube itself speaks volumes, look at all the anime/game character names people use, their profile pictures, reviewers, views on videos etc. This is only the beginning, anime will soon get even more recognised as the years go down. If it caught you the way it did, it can catch another person too right? |
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Zerkalo said: Kuraaiiya said: bNq said: Kuraaiiya said: That's called a delusion.You don't even know how One Piece is. I don't give a shit who they target it to. Nope. A delusion is your shitty belief that One Piece is for kids just because the time it airs on (despite stuff like Berserk movie 1 which is gory as fuck being rated G, and movie 2 which has an almost explicit hentai scene going on and is even gorier being rated 12+) One Piece, despite the crap pacing the anime has, is a masterpiece, that is a 100% fact, whether you want to accept it or not. I enjoyed One Piece as a kid. It aired directly after school. It's classified as shounen. It's about fighting and powerlevels. How can you argue that the target audience aren't kids/teens? I honestly did not want to have an argument with you again, but just because you saw the 4Kids version, it doesn't mean shit. 4Kids butchered One Piece. And if you seriously think One Piece is for kids, then let me ask you. What kind of kids anime has drugs and alcohol in it? Especially the former since it is actually a very important part of an arc later on. |
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| this is why it has a bad reputation LOL makes me laugh every time...... good times...... |
Zeally said: this is why it has a bad reputation LOL makes me laugh every time...... good times...... I think that'll garner more fans than turn them around though. I mean, DEM BOOBS! |
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| I blame any anime on netflix people think thats all there is becuase thats all they have access too and highschool of the dead. |
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yhunata said: Zeally said: this is why it has a bad reputation LOL makes me laugh every time...... good times...... I think that'll garner more fans than turn them around though. I mean, DEM BOOBS! These scenes really made me like the anime of HotD less than I would have would they not have exaggerated the fanservice. The manga was bad sometimes, but that was just overkill and quite retarded. Still finished the whole thing though. On a side note, wtf is up with that idiotically long hiatus on that manga? |
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Vikopaulum said: yhunata said: Zeally said: this is why it has a bad reputation LOL makes me laugh every time...... good times...... I think that'll garner more fans than turn them around though. I mean, DEM BOOBS! These scenes really made me like the anime of HotD less than I would have would they not have exaggerated the fanservice. The manga was bad sometimes, but that was just overkill and quite retarded. Still finished the whole thing though. On a side note, wtf is up with that idiotically long hiatus on that manga? I heard it's coming back soon. The hiatus was because of the author working on multiple projects, I think. Also, what else did you expect from a hentai artist? |
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yhunata said: Zerkalo said: Kuraaiiya said: bNq said: Kuraaiiya said: That's called a delusion.You don't even know how One Piece is. I don't give a shit who they target it to. Nope. A delusion is your shitty belief that One Piece is for kids just because the time it airs on (despite stuff like Berserk movie 1 which is gory as fuck being rated G, and movie 2 which has an almost explicit hentai scene going on and is even gorier being rated 12+) One Piece, despite the crap pacing the anime has, is a masterpiece, that is a 100% fact, whether you want to accept it or not. I enjoyed One Piece as a kid. It aired directly after school. It's classified as shounen. It's about fighting and powerlevels. How can you argue that the target audience aren't kids/teens? I honestly did not want to have an argument with you again, but just because you saw the 4Kids version, it doesn't mean shit. 4Kids butchered One Piece. And if you seriously think One Piece is for kids, then let me ask you. What kind of kids anime has drugs and alcohol in it? Especially the former since it is actually a very important part of an arc later on. If a show's target audience are kids or teens doesn't make a big difference when you're watching it as an adult. I myself would even prefer to watch kids stuff like Sprited Away or Nausicaa rather than an edgy teen series with hardcore stuff like battles which are even showing blood! I've never met a person who didn't like anime because of Ghibli movies but tons of people dislike anime because of these shounen shows. I didn't even blame you for watching it. All it was that I said is that One Piece target audience are kids/teens which is nothing but a fact. I don't understand how you can deny this. |
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Zerkalo said: If a show's target audience are kids or teens doesn't make a big difference when you're watching it as an adult. I myself would even prefer to watch kids stuff like Sprited Away or Nausicaa rather than an edgy teen series with hardcore stuff like battles which are even showing blood! I've never met a person who didn't like anime because of Ghibli movies but tons of people dislike anime because of these shounen shows. I didn't even blame you for watching it. All it was that I said is that One Piece target audience are kids/teens which is nothing but a fact. I don't understand how you can deny this. I was only denying the kids part. And seriously, if you saw the 4Kids version, I feel sorry for you. They changed a black character into a white one because "kids can't take black kids on their show", a french inspired cook was given a rough-Brooklyn (was it?) accent and Zoro's swords were turned to rubber toys. That's all I said, really. I didn't say anything against your claim that people hate anime due to mainstream shonen (which it really isn't, seriously look around you), only that you remove the One Piece is for kids part. |
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| @yhunata I'm ok with that. I didn't know that changed so much I assumed that they only cencored bloody scenes. But that's how it is (atleast in Germany). If you talk about anime with others most people say something like that it's for kids or perverts. The few others who don't think so about anime are all huge shounen fans. The only stuff they knew about are shounen like OP Naruto Bleach FMA. It sad but somehow these mainstream shounen seem to sort out people who might have a similar taste to mine. @Kuraaiiya Now that's just a baseless assumption. What is Ghibli? What is Pixar? I can't argue about that complexity you claim One Piece to have but complexity != quality of a show. The only thing I can say about OP is that it is too long, a good story needs an end. And, for fucks sake I won't repeat this, it's a shounen so the target audience are teens. That is neither a good nor a bad thing it's just a fact. |
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| I'll tell you the truth right now, it's because of those damn fanboys and fangirls. It's down right embarrassing when a huge part of the community blows a shitty Anime out of proportion and the great ones get overlooked. Its even more frustrating when would be Anime fans watch these horrible series, are turned off, and spread word that everyone of us must be out of their damn minds. "Everyone has their opinion" is a half baked excuse for people to justify bad shit. I'm not gonna knock you for liking what you like nor am I gonna hold it against you. Just please cut the bullshit because everyone may have an opinion but everyone's opinion isn't always right. |
natssuu said: Why do you think anime/manga(in general) has bad reputation among the people who don't watch it? Because of the breath of the anime fan who is talking to them convincing how anime are cool. A better diet for otaku will solve this issue. |
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LordLagann said: I'll tell you the truth right now, it's because of those damn fanboys and fangirls. It's down right embarrassing when a huge part of the community blows a shitty Anime out of proportion and the great ones get overlooked. Its even more frustrating when would be Anime fans watch these horrible series, are turned off, and spread word that everyone of us must be out of their damn minds. "Everyone has their opinion" is a half baked excuse for people to justify bad shit. I'm not gonna knock you for liking what you like nor am I gonna hold it against you. Just please cut the bullshit because everyone may have an opinion but everyone's opinion isn't always right. Like my post before, the best way to destroy something reputation is to point their fans. Just like Justin Bieber or Twilight. Even if being good or bad is not something of my concern, people do outrightedly say so because of the blind fangirls. |
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| If anybody says any answer besides "the nerdy gross fan base", they are wrong. |
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Red_Keys said: If anybody says any answer besides "the nerdy gross fan base", they are wrong. You didn't need to be this blunt. xD |
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| Because anime fans are ugly. |
| i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! |
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| Westerners affiliate animated films with kid shows, and because of this, it is difficult for most people to discern anime as something other then that, especially when they don't even take the time to look at the variety that is in anime. It is a sad fact, that won't change, but oh well. Side note, one piece is not meant for children (the 4kids one was, though), it is actually meant for teens, generally the ones going through puberty (ages 12 -15), like most other shonen. |
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Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. |
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| Because anime is shit. AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. I only watch mature shows for mature viewers such as myself. :v |
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Avolion said: Yes, and watch this scene, kids animes dosent have such drama in verbal fights, i was actually shocked when i first saw this, its even more extreme than Naruto & Bleach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0S4suYrZ0 The people saying One Piece is for kids have a point, but tbh its more like its an anime for all ages hence the prime time airing. Also the art is definitely childish as far as anime goes. |
| nidalee im bout to counter pick ur ass if u dont shut up |
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bulls123 said: nidalee im bout to counter pick ur ass if u dont shut up No, don't do that. Hug him instead. |
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| If you think showing people Elfen Lied is a good way to prove anything postive about anime, you're part of the reason why anime has this reputation |
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Nidalee said: No it's a show aimed towards teenagers, but because it has a great story without having to be dark or too serious all the time, it's more acceptable for all ages. And the art isn't childish.Avolion said: Yes, and watch this scene, kids animes dosent have such drama in verbal fights, i was actually shocked when i first saw this, its even more extreme than Naruto & Bleach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0S4suYrZ0 The people saying One Piece is for kids have a point, but tbh its more like its an anime for all ages hence the prime time airing. Also the art is definitely childish as far as anime goes. |
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IntroverTurtle said: And the art isn't childish. Yes it is. |
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IntroverTurtle said: Nidalee said: No it's a show aimed towards teenagers, but because it has a great story without having to be dark or too serious all the time, it's more acceptable for all ages. And the art isn't childish.Avolion said: Yes, and watch this scene, kids animes dosent have such drama in verbal fights, i was actually shocked when i first saw this, its even more extreme than Naruto & Bleach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0S4suYrZ0 The people saying One Piece is for kids have a point, but tbh its more like its an anime for all ages hence the prime time airing. Also the art is definitely childish as far as anime goes. Yeah i agree, it's something aimed at teenagers/younger people but can be enjoyed by everyone and you wouldn't be "childish" in doing so. like you say, it's more acceptable to all ages. I don't get the childish art claim to be honest xD |
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IntroverTurtle said: Nidalee said: No it's a show aimed towards teenagers, but because it has a great story without having to be dark or too serious all the time, it's more acceptable for all ages. And the art isn't childish.Avolion said: Yes, and watch this scene, kids animes dosent have such drama in verbal fights, i was actually shocked when i first saw this, its even more extreme than Naruto & Bleach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0S4suYrZ0 The people saying One Piece is for kids have a point, but tbh its more like its an anime for all ages hence the prime time airing. Also the art is definitely childish as far as anime goes. Actually, the art seems fully childish at first, but it's psuedo-childish. |
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yhunata said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish.IntroverTurtle said: Nidalee said: No it's a show aimed towards teenagers, but because it has a great story without having to be dark or too serious all the time, it's more acceptable for all ages. And the art isn't childish.Avolion said: Yes, and watch this scene, kids animes dosent have such drama in verbal fights, i was actually shocked when i first saw this, its even more extreme than Naruto & Bleach. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0S4suYrZ0 The people saying One Piece is for kids have a point, but tbh its more like its an anime for all ages hence the prime time airing. Also the art is definitely childish as far as anime goes. Actually, the art seems fully childish at first, but it's psuedo-childish. |
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IntroverTurtle said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish. You are trying way too hard... |
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Synrite said: I don't see how.IntroverTurtle said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish. You are trying way too hard... |
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IntroverTurtle said: Synrite said: I don't see how.IntroverTurtle said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish. You are trying way too hard... No matter how you look at it, One Piece art is flanderized. The Theme is not childish, but I don't think the art is a moot point. |
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| For haters of anime/manga, ---well they're missing out. Thats all I gotta say, too bad for them. |
012yArthur0 said: Do you have any examples of that? And actually One Piece's art has been evolving towards more realistic proportions as the show has been airing(all except for chopper).IntroverTurtle said: Synrite said: I don't see how.IntroverTurtle said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish. You are trying way too hard... No matter how you look at it, One Piece art is flanderized. The Theme is not childish, but I don't think the art is a moot point. |
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IntroverTurtle said: 012yArthur0 said: Do you have any examples of that? And actually One Piece's art has been evolving towards more realistic proportions as the show has been airing(all except for chopper).IntroverTurtle said: Synrite said: I don't see how.IntroverTurtle said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish. You are trying way too hard... No matter how you look at it, One Piece art is flanderized. The Theme is not childish, but I don't think the art is a moot point. At the first season, it's childish. At onwards one cannot say that it's not flanderized. I can't withstand characters mouths being ridiculously huge when the actually face expression is trying to be serious. In fact, a certain character death lost drama thanks to Luffy :0 face that he made. And some fight scenes (Sanji vs the Wolf man or whatever) wasn't good for me at all. I understand that this is a symbology to Luffy behavior towards pretty much everything, but... |
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dankickyou said: Because anime is shit. I only watch mature shows for mature viewers such as myself. :v Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. IntroverTurtle said: 012yArthur0 said: Do you have any examples of that? And actually One Piece's art has been evolving towards more realistic proportions as the show has been airing(all except for chopper).IntroverTurtle said: Synrite said: I don't see how.IntroverTurtle said: No it's just a different style, a style Oda must have thought would work with his characters, it's other people who see it as childish. You are trying way too hard... No matter how you look at it, One Piece art is flanderized. The Theme is not childish, but I don't think the art is a moot point. What about Franky? Ghostony said: tsudecimo said: IntroverTurtle said: And the art isn't childish. Yes it is. Yup, it is pretty childish of them to do these kind of things, I mean.. was it really neccessary to make all the females in the show almost naked? http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33994/2874253-2yearnamiinfobox.png idk http://i.ytimg.com/vi/bFb5h9hl9Ig/0.jpg getting high http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5nb9qoRyI1rn0n6bo2_500.png I don't know what you want to show with these. That characterdesign just looks so pubertal. |
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Avolion said: AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. Hahaha, that would actually work on newbies who dont know anything and think they are for kids.^^ believe me it works, i do it all the time |
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| Because mainstream anime cater to otaku and underage retards and those are in the public focus. When people hype stuff like SAO and Elfen Lied and popularize it they are responsible for the bad reputation anime has. After all, a medium where pretentious teens, perverts and otakus only care about their favourite tropes and rate only based on enjoyment is the pinnacle of ingratiation. Coupled with the blatant unimaginativeness and pandering is the reason why Western audiences shun this medium. Unlike movies and music, anime is a niche market in the West and the market penetration is not sufficient to raise awareness of the truly good authors that get credit from high culture. |
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Nightcore367 said: Avolion said: AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. Hahaha, that would actually work on newbies who dont know anything and think they are for kids.^^ believe me it works, i do it all the time It works, but now my sister (for example) won't watch anime because she thinks it's all about mindless violence, only showed some gore scenes though. |
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tormented210 said: Nightcore367 said: Avolion said: AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. Hahaha, that would actually work on newbies who dont know anything and think they are for kids.^^ believe me it works, i do it all the time It works, but now my sister (for example) won't watch anime because she thinks it's all about mindless violence, only showed some gore scenes though. tormented210 said: Nightcore367 said: Avolion said: AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. Hahaha, that would actually work on newbies who dont know anything and think they are for kids.^^ believe me it works, i do it all the time It works, but now my sister (for example) won't watch anime because she thinks it's all about mindless violence, only showed some gore scenes though. yeah...that is a problem sometimes, try to fix it with a romance, drama or comedy |
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Nightcore367 said: tormented210 said: Nightcore367 said: Avolion said: AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. Hahaha, that would actually work on newbies who dont know anything and think they are for kids.^^ believe me it works, i do it all the time It works, but now my sister (for example) won't watch anime because she thinks it's all about mindless violence, only showed some gore scenes though. tormented210 said: Nightcore367 said: Avolion said: AirStyles said: Nightcore367 said: i blame it on hentai, 4kids, and the fact that japan put a law limiting how bloody anime can be because what i do is that when someone says anime is for kids or something i force them to watch ELFEN LIED!!! ...... The amount of people who try to prove "anime is not for kids" by using examples with bloody, gory and sexual contents... Ridiculous. Hahaha, that would actually work on newbies who dont know anything and think they are for kids.^^ believe me it works, i do it all the time It works, but now my sister (for example) won't watch anime because she thinks it's all about mindless violence, only showed some gore scenes though. yeah...that is a problem sometimes, try to fix it with a romance, drama or comedy Or Plot, just like High school of the Dead. |
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| I'll probably agree with many posters in saying that anime has a bad reputation mainly because of its sexualization of children, but also because of its other atypical 'fanservice' elements like imouto. I mean most anime have the ubiquitous "bikini episode," in which the male characters (and presumably the audience) drool the most over the youngest character in her school suit. I'm desensitized to stuff like that now--perhaps I see that there's some humor in it, although also some truth--but originally it put me off (and when I was closer to the age of that little girl, it made me scared). I can see a lot of people turning away from anime because of it. Heck, are guys in America attracted to young girls too? Probably. Will they admit it as readily and spring for anime/manga products? Doubtful. It's just stigmatized in our culture, perhaps as it should be. |
| The frame-rate makes anime look shit in general. "It's drawn, therefore, it is for kids." 95% of all animes are shit. Ohh yeah, and this: Warning, the IMG is fucking big. |
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