Amberleh said: And spelling mistakes on every page. Don't forget that.Of course they probably wouldn't like it because big words are scary and it's not set in 'modern times'. |
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| Hellsing Ultimate looks good to me. It's high adrenaline action with badassery leaking out of every orifice. |
| Ok, guys and gals: Since we are set on a course that makes all casual anime fans hate us, why don't we do the same with videogame casuals by adding FF7 Advent Children? I have not seen the movie, but I doubt that something starring Cloud Strife is worth a rating above 8.X on MAL. With over 80+ watchers on the normal entry, and a 1XX rank for the Complete Edition it sounds like a worthy entry. I don't know which of the two I should add, though. Any other opinions? |
NidhoeggrMar 14, 2013 4:58 AM
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Nidhoeggr said: I'll just say that it is solely aimed at fans of FFVII and it 100% succeeds at being sexy fanservice.Ok, guys and gals: Since we are set on a course that makes all casual anime fans hate us, why don't we do the same with videogame casuals by adding FF7 Advent Children? I have not seen the movie, but I doubt that something starring Cloud Strife is worth a rating above 8.X on MAL. With over 80+ watchers on the normal entry, and a 1XX rank for the Complete Edition it sounds like a worthy entry. I don't know which of the two I should add, though. Any other opinions? |
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| I am not a FFVII fanboy, but if it's well done style over substance then it's probably not worthy of our list. Still, the rating seems fairly high for what I assumed was always one of the weaker FF games. I preferred 6, 9 and 10-1 over it. |
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| I would say FFVII is in the same boat as OoC. It's overrated by fanboys, but still an excellent game. 6 is too slow for my tastes, but has a really good story. Advent Children is not a perfect movie, but as I said, it succeeds at what it was made for, wanking the fans' nostalgia dick. I think I gave it an 8 or 9, which I think it deserves. |
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| The movie just adds to FFVII's convoluted story. It makes no sense and the characters suck... except Barret because he has a giant gun for an arm. |
| I'm not a fan of FFVII, I prefer much more X and VI ( the best of the series imo ), but I liked the movie, the story still doesn't make sense but for action and fights it's very good, it's just entertainment. And I dunno if there's any CG movie with as good action scenes atm but for sure it was the best of the best when it was made. I just think of it as unremarkable, it's a movie made for entertainment. |
shiranui51 said: I'm not a fan of FFVII, I prefer much more X and VI ( the best of the series imo ), but I liked the movie, the story still doesn't make sense but for action and fights it's very good, it's just entertainment. And I dunno if there's any CG movie with as good action scenes atm but for sure it was the best of the best when it was made. I just think of it as unremarkable, it's a movie made for entertainment. SKY BLUE is a good standalone CG movie with good story unlike FFVII movie which was made for fans and make zero sense to others a.k.a ME. |
| I liked FF7 (the game) for a time, though that was a long time ago. Advent Children is basically made for fans, and will not make sense to those who are not familiar with the overall story. And even as someone who is familiar with the story, it's not great. It's basically fanservice for those who can't get enough of nostalgia. It's like, "remember this girl? Remember the dog? Oh yeah! There was that one black guy! Here they are again, and they look way better now." Except I don't really care about the characters, so... I gave it a 6, mostly because the CG looks good and the fight scenes are enjoyable. But if you're looking for a story that actually makes sense, I wouldn't recommend AC. As far as franchise as a whole, I'd rather go back and play 10, 4, or 9. Those games have stronger and more developed characters than 7, I think (not to mention better main protagonists). I haven't played VI yet, but I want to. But yeah, Haakonwale pretty much said it. It succeeds at energizing that nostalgia for those who really liked playing FF7 back in the day. I did for a time, but eventually outgrew it. And I think it's because of the fanboys that caused me to stay away from it since. |
dietmangoMar 15, 2013 5:12 PM
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| Might I inquire about why Index is on the relations list? I haven't seen much of it but I've heard of it getting fairly good ratings from some reviewers but I'm still unsure. |
| I'm curious about Index's inclusion as well. Not that I doubt its placement, but I'm currently watching it and want to know what I'm in for. It seems to have an awfully overpowered protagonist which may destroy any sort of drama. |
| Why isn't Soul Eater on it? |
Matas said: Why isn't Soul Eater on it? It is a failed adaption during the secoind half and very popular despite being horrible in the end. If there are no objections I will add it. |
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| Please add it. |
| I enjoyed it but I am not opposed to adding it. |
| I'm pretty much neutral in regard to Soul Eater's inclusion. So, I'll just agree with what Amber said. |
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AlabastreAizo said: I'm curious about Index's inclusion as well. Not that I doubt its placement, but I'm currently watching it and want to know what I'm in for. It seems to have an awfully overpowered protagonist which may destroy any sort of drama. Personally I don't mind having overpowered protagonists initially, because it only makes their fall from grace that much more devastating. It's also nice to have a character who is able to show the upper hand early on in itself rather than typical struggle after struggle, but again, a weak protagonist and an overpowered one should be used sparingly I guess, or else it becomes TOO predictable and monotonous. To draw up a comparison from this season, there's Hyobu Kyosuke from Unlimited and Izayoi from Mondai-ji, the former is fairly overpowered to begin with and has a myriad of abilities at his disposal, but when he feels his normal state is unable to deal with the problem, he uses his Unlimited Mode to amplify his powers at the cost of his life gradually shortening and his stamina decreasing. By the time episode 9 comes around, he actually gets overwhelmed and has to recover, it was shocking seeing the dark messiah losing his touch, but it was interesting nonetheless. As for Izayoi, while he may be overpowered too much, it bothers me that the other cast members' strength hardly meant anything. Asuka's ability to control things worked on crows, a little boy and then a mecha which she uses in the final battle of the anime; when she had received a sword in one of the episodes, she barely used it ever again and then this weird water tree or something (can't recall). It may be due to the short episode count, but Asuka's abilities were still severely underwhelming. Yo also didn't do too much, but she had adequate combat skills and gets a bit of exposure later on, but hardly much. Yes Izayoi is pretty much a Deus-Ex for everything with his god-tier fists, so he should've been greatly downgraded, but the other 2 were nigh-useless. I still think Izayoi was KIND OF different, he's got the brawn and he's clever (go figure) but still 2-dimensional nonetheless and I wish the show actually gave some more depth rather than basic personality traits to its characters. In a nutshell, I don't mind overpowered characters provided they do have a fall-out at some point. My apologies for going on a stupid tangent, just figured my views might've been a little different I guess; I think Touma is an alright character from what I've seen and he does seem to have hardships from time to time, but I guess I'm curious if people are holding that against the series (still seems better than Mikoto and Railgun...urgh). And nothing against you Aizo in case my prose seemed condescending, (just making sure) I was curious and wanted to share my views on the whole 'OP MC' thing. |
| An overpowered main character can be interesting when the enemies can still actually do something. Like Lex Luther vs Superman. The way the Americans manage to deal with the aforementioned Hyoubu Kyousuke made for what I thought was a pretty entertaining episode. Or, of course, in Hellsing Ultimate, In Problem Children, on the other hand, nothing beats Izayoi. The show was moderately enjoyable on some levels, but over all that took away from it for me. If Index is more like the former case and less like the latter, I can see how it might be decent. But I haven't seen it, so I don't know. |
| Bastard!! also shows how a main character can both be overpowered and not totally unstoppable at the same time. Mondaji was really mediocre to em as well, typical LN adaption. |
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| Why isn't Ano hana in your list ? |
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tsudecimo said: Because the melodrama and overuse of crying is cringeworthy.Why isn't Ano hana in your list ? |
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Haakonwale said: tsudecimo said: Because the melodrama and overuse of crying is cringeworthy.Why isn't Ano hana in your list ? Huh? so yea why not add it to the anime relation list ? |
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tsudecimo said: It's not bad enough to be added there. I don't think AnoHana is bad per se, but it's not good either. I think my rating of 6 is being fair. I considered giving it 7, but I didn't feel like being nice that day.Haakonwale said: tsudecimo said: Because the melodrama and overuse of crying is cringeworthy.Why isn't Ano hana in your list ? Huh? so yea why not add it to the anime relation list ? |
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tsudecimo said: Huh? so yea why not add it to the anime relation list ? Because there's bigger fish to fry in the melodrama department (Clannad Afterstory). Plus, unless you can show me some proof, I don't think there's a large group of people who would cry if Ano Hana was persecuted in our list. |
Ducat_Revel said: tsudecimo said: Huh? so yea why not add it to the anime relation list ? Because there's bigger fish to fry in the melodrama department (Clannad Afterstory). Plus, unless you can show me some proof, I don't think there's a large group of people who would cry if Ano Hana was persecuted in our list. It has a large fan base here in MAL(#31 Members: 103,560) and have people claim it made them cry their eyes out . I don't think there is a bigger fish in the melodrama department even though i didn't like clannad and it is cliche story the melodrama in it is not close to how horrible it is in Ano hana . |
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| Honestly, I don't think Ano Hana deserves to be on our relations. Overrated? Hell yeah. But it does still have a lot of good qualities to it and quite frankly I found it more believable than any part of Clannad. |
tsudecimo said: It has a large fan base here in MAL(#31 Members: 103,560) and have people claim it made them cry their eyes out . Well, I'm convinced. I don't think we can just shrug this one into a list though. It needs a poll. Wait until the Bakemono poll ends first then maybe we'll get to this if other people think it's worth discussing. |
| I've been planning to open the poll for AnoHana for a while. Big piece of overrated mediocrity has a 8.7x score and is praised as a masterpiece |
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| I am undecided on AnoHana, on the one hand it is totally overrated but on the other hand it had a few nice episode. Still, horrible overdone drama at the end. |
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| The drama is horrible and extremely forced imo, as expected of Okada mari. Let's say drama is the main aspect of the show and it's poor exactly in this aspect so.. yeah relations. The good shit about the show are the atmosphere and the characters who are slightly better than generic ones you see in standard school-set teen drama, but nothing remarkable enough to deserve a score of 8.73. that's the highest score on MAL excluding Code Geass R2 that we have on our list. |
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| After thinking a bit and rewatchign the last episode, I agree that AnoHana should probably on our relations. |
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| Is there a poll for it already? If not it seems there's a lot of diverging opinions on it, so it's probably worth an assessment. |
AngelsArcanum said: Is there a poll for it already? If not it seems there's a lot of diverging opinions on it, so it's probably worth an assessment. Go for it, a few comments demanded a poll as well. |
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| With AnoHana aside, having recently finished Zetsuen no Tempest, I found it to be crappy, but so far the average rating is 8.20 for the series, and the majority of people on the final episode thread seem to be loving it to death, so I think it could have potential to go on relations. Then again, the episode came out a couple days ago, so perhaps not everyone has seen it and/or there's the factor of that certain 'quality-delusion' that Zac Bertschy of ANN talked about where you get wrapped up in sometimes after finishing a film or TV series and exaggerate the quality, only to retrospectively look back and think it wasn't as great as you initially imagined. Granted, his experience for bringing up the topic was all the hype centered around Ponyo when he saw it and how some people in the theater were saying it was better than Princess Mononoke. |
| 8.20? It was at 8.06 last time I checked. In any case, I am not a fan of Zetsuen no Tempest. I would not object if it eventually found itself onto the relations list. |
Popka said: 8.20? It was at 8.06 last time I checked. In any case, I am not a fan of Zetsuen no Tempest. I would not object if it eventually found itself onto the relations list. Oh I was going to ask about that one- I saw a few pictures of it and they all were of this girl clad in only what appeared to be some kind of bath towel. Seemed sketchy to me. |
| If we're looking back at this past season I feel as though multiple titles could be put in the relations list as many seem to be over-hyped for what they were actually worth. Psycho Pass 22 Episodes Rated 8.50 Ranked #81 Popularity #218 Favorites #1,408 Sakurasou No Pet 24 Episodes Rated 8.35 Ranked #159 Popularity #282 Favorites #1,184 I agree that these scores may balance themselves out over time however if things stay the way they are I definitely wouldn't mind seeing either or possibly both making their ways to the relations list. |
| can we wait a few weeks maybe so I can actually get myself to watch both until the hype drops considerably then poll them? |
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| Fine by me Valk. Perhaps we should make a thread for those in purgatory and list them by order of when they are to be polled. Both of these are new to be mentioned so it really should be a while before we poll them. |
| I haven't finished Tempest yet, but so far (up to episode 18) it has been great. The first half was absolutely spectacular. The second isn't as fantastic, but still decent. I'll be able to comment more once I finish it, but as of right now I am firmly against it being anywhere near the relations list. |
Amberleh said: Popka said: 8.20? It was at 8.06 last time I checked. In any case, I am not a fan of Zetsuen no Tempest. I would not object if it eventually found itself onto the relations list. Oh I was going to ask about that one- I saw a few pictures of it and they all were of this girl clad in only what appeared to be some kind of bath towel. Seemed sketchy to me. There's almost no raunchy fan-service in Blast of Tempest, save for maybe a bust shot every once in a while, but the characters don't react with embarrassment or shyness nor do they make a huge gag out of it from what I recall (then again I tend to ignore these things to begin with). I forget why she doesn't have spare clothes, but anyways, bottom line is that it isn't a fan-service series, it's a mish-mash of Shakespeare plays with some other new elements thrown in, but I generally didn't enjoy it. (A little pressed for time atm, so I can't go into detail). |
| A few of us elitists agreed that there is no Magi anime, but would the rest mind it being on our relations list? |
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Nidhoeggr said: A few of us elitists agreed that there is no Magi anime, but would the rest mind it being on our relations list? It wasn't bad to the point of the relations list. Granted, I've never read the manga, but everything up to the festival episode was pretty good. After the festival it fell apart, but still... |
ForgoneReality said: It wasn't bad to the point of the relations list. Granted, I've never read the manga, but everything up to the festival episode was pretty good. After the festival it fell apart, but still... Only manga readers know the horror that is the anime Alibaba character arc. And Ao No exorcist had a good first half as well until it completely fell apart in the second half. It is on our relations list as well. Just like Soul Eater and a few other shows who had bad filler endings. |
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| Always wanted to ask, why is Ryuusei no Gemini on this list? I mean, it is bad, but I don't think it's popular. If it's because it ruined Darker than Black, then call we also put in Fullmetal Alchemist: The Conqueror of Shamballa for taking a dump all over FMA? |
| If it is rated high enough, sure. |
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| I think we agreed that 7.7 is the cut-off point. FMA: Conquerer of Shambala is 7.88 so it is technically rated high enough. |
| To be honest I don't even remotely remember the plot of Shamballa. All I remember is Alphonse being in his own body and Edward being in our timeline during WWII. Nothing more. Was it really that bad? Is that even the same movie/special/OVA? |
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| Nazis in FMA. Badly done Nationalsocialists to boot. I'd say that alone warrants an addition. |
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