| Well, what is its durability? 15 years ago they said it was 100 years. I already know that it’s not 5 years because none of my discs seem to be gone. At least, not that I’ve noticed!! But I’m asking this even because I’m downloading various anime shows and converting them to burn into DVD discs but some of them I’m not planning to watch in a recent future. So I’m afraid I’m relying too much on a DVD as an excellent “long period” (not to say permanent) storage object. But, even all movies that I own…Well, I always try to be as carefully as I can but, you’ll never know right? Do you think I’m depositing too much trust on DVD as a safe permanent storage? What is your experience? |
| Longer than DVD drives will be around for. I think deterioration is the least of your worries with DVD storage. |
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| File them away on DNA, splice it onto your genes, and reproduce. LOL. I'm referring to the current event couple days ago about planting mp3 and videos onto genes. |
| It's an object made out of dinosaurs and metal, how long do you think it'll last? Data doesn't break down, either. Once you have a DVD, you'll have it until it's physically broken. |
| I'm dead. Don't come looking for me. |
| Long enough for you to not care about anime anymore |
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| Bad idea. A retail DVD uses a replication process that's different than DVD-R's. I think I've read that they should last 10-15 years. A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. |
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katsucats said: Bad idea. A retail DVD uses a replication process that's different than DVD-R's. I think I've read that they should last 10-15 years. A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. Better yet, write them to blank laserdiscs. Bigger is always better, right? |
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Negative-Travis said: It does, due to entropy.Data doesn't break down, either. Once you have a DVD, you'll have it until it's physically broken. Negative-Travis said: No, you're an idiot.katsucats said: Better yet, write them to blank laserdiscs.Bad idea. A retail DVD uses a replication process that's different than DVD-R's. I think I've read that they should last 10-15 years. A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. Bigger is always better, right? |
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katsucats said: A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. More like 20-50 years. |
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katsucats said: Somebody doesn't understand humor.Negative-Travis said: It does, due to entropy.Data doesn't break down, either. Once you have a DVD, you'll have it until it's physically broken. Negative-Travis said: No, you're an idiot.katsucats said: Better yet, write them to blank laserdiscs.Bad idea. A retail DVD uses a replication process that's different than DVD-R's. I think I've read that they should last 10-15 years. A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. Bigger is always better, right? |
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Narmy said: No one who's serious about backing up data would use DVD's. Enterprise solutions use LTO tape drives and RAID in combination. If you think DVDs last 50 years, then by all means go lose your data on your own terms...katsucats said: A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. More like 20-50 years. |
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Negative-Travis said: People actually believe DVD-R's will last 20-50 years, so I don't see the humor.katsucats said: Somebody doesn't understand humor.Negative-Travis said: It does, due to entropy.Data doesn't break down, either. Once you have a DVD, you'll have it until it's physically broken. Negative-Travis said: No, you're an idiot.katsucats said: Better yet, write them to blank laserdiscs.Bad idea. A retail DVD uses a replication process that's different than DVD-R's. I think I've read that they should last 10-15 years. A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. Bigger is always better, right? |
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katsucats said: Would you go through that much trouble for stolen anime?Narmy said: No one who's serious about backing up data would use DVD's. Enterprise solutions use LTO tape drives and RAID in combination. If you think DVDs last 50 years, then by all means go lose your data on your own terms...katsucats said: A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. More like 20-50 years. People actually believe DVD-R's will last 20-50 years, so I don't see the humor. I was referring to my laserdisc comment.Jokes aside, I'd just use HDD's. Less clutter and probably cheaper in the long run. |
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Negative-Travis said: I don't see what stolen has to do with anything. If you're going through the trouble to keep something safe, might as well be realistic with your expectations.katsucats said: Would you go through that much trouble for stolen anime?Narmy said: No one who's serious about backing up data would use DVD's. Enterprise solutions use LTO tape drives and RAID in combination. If you think DVDs last 50 years, then by all means go lose your data on your own terms...katsucats said: A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. More like 20-50 years. |
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katsucats said: No one who's serious about backing up data would use DVD's. Enterprise solutions use LTO tape drives and RAID in combination. If you think DVDs last 50 years, then by all means go lose your data on your own terms... I agree with you there, but they're not bad as a temporary storage medium until the next new technology comes around. Or until blu-ray becomes more widespread. Just like people who backed up their data to floppy disks way back when have likely moved their data to something bigger and more reliable. I don't think the OP will end up using DVD as permanent storage. The video files he's backing up will probably end up being obsolete within the next decade anyway. |
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Narmy said: If by temporary you mean under 5 years... not 20-50 years...katsucats said: No one who's serious about backing up data would use DVD's. Enterprise solutions use LTO tape drives and RAID in combination. If you think DVDs last 50 years, then by all means go lose your data on your own terms... I agree with you there, but they're not bad as a temporary storage medium until the next new technology comes around. Or until blu-ray becomes more widespread. Just like people who backed up their data to floppy disks way back when have likely moved their data to something bigger and more reliable. I don't think the OP will end up using DVD as permanent storage. The video files he's backing up will probably end up being obsolete within the next decade anyway. Optical discs are okay for the short term. If you're passing photos around to families and friends, or compiling music or video to consume in the car, or if you're making backups in addition to what you already have on hard drives, then they are useful. I would not trust them for keeping data that you want to keep safe when you have no other backup. |
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| LTO doesn't last very long 15-30 years. |
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katsucats said: If by temporary you mean under 5 years... not 20-50 years... Optical discs are okay for the short term. If you're passing photos around to families and friends, or compiling music or video to consume in the car, or if you're making backups in addition to what you already have on hard drives, then they are useful. I would not trust them for keeping data that you want to keep safe when you have no other backup. I think it depends on how you store them really. I just pulled out my magazine of backup CD-Rs, and I still have intact files from 9 years ago. I backed up my anime back then and I never used them anyway since they're so low quality by today's standards. Also the brand might affect the lifespan too, because some of the cheaper brand backups I have do have some rot on them. |
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Narmy said: Not trying to cause unnecessary alarm, but even though your files can be played back, that doesn't mean that irreparable damage hasn't already begun (and then again, it might not have!). You might not particularly care about the data in this particular case, but someone else who does might try to replicate your success and find that by no fault of his own his data only lasted X (fill in the blank) years. You're right that some cheaper brands are susceptible to rot (although it's not exclusive to cheaper brands). DVD rot is pretty much the deterioration of the glue that delaminates the layers of the disc -- even if you can't see the damage.I just pulled out my magazine of backup CD-Rs, and I still have intact files from 9 years ago. I backed up my anime back then and I never used them anyway since they're so low quality by today's standards. But another silent predator is known as "bit rot", where magnetic bits flip for reasons uncertain, and this affects all types of media. In most cases, data can be played back still with a few bits missing here and there due to error correction, but this is a chance-based game. I don't have any convenient solution for OP that doesn't cost $$$, but I suggest him not to pin all his hopes on this. If his data lasts, then all the better, but I wouldn't be surprised if some files eventually corrupt for seemingly no reason. If this is something really important, then I would still suggest he backup on disc and flash or HDD, or at the very least multiple copies of the same thing on different discs (and perhaps brand-name discs). |
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| Remember to water your dvd everyday at least 3 times, and make sure it gets exposed to a good amount of sunlight. If you do that, I'm sure your dvd will have a good, long life. |
| i think it's more reliable to have them stored on an external flash drive. plus you'd have to convert all those mkvs if you want to watch them on anything other than a computer zzz |
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katsucats said: Not trying to cause unnecessary alarm, but even though your files can be played back, that doesn't mean that irreparable damage hasn't already begun (and then again, it might not have!). You might not particularly care about the data in this particular case, but someone else who does might try to replicate your success and find that by no fault of his own his data only lasted X (fill in the blank) years. You're right that some cheaper brands are susceptible to rot (although it's not exclusive to cheaper brands). DVD rot is pretty much the deterioration of the glue that delaminates the layers of the disc -- even if you can't see the damage. But another silent predator is known as "bit rot", where magnetic bits flip for reasons uncertain, and this affects all types of media. In most cases, data can be played back still with a few bits missing here and there due to error correction, but this is a chance-based game. Do you know any way to check for that type of damage? I've got over 100 backup CDs of varying brands, so I could probably determine the average amount of deterioration over 8-10 years. |
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JUON said: Well, what is its durability? 15 years ago they said it was 100 years. I already know that it’s not 5 years because none of my discs seem to be gone. At least, not that I’ve noticed!! But I’m asking this even because I’m downloading various anime shows and converting them to burn into DVD discs but some of them I’m not planning to watch in a recent future. So I’m afraid I’m relying too much on a DVD as an excellent “long period” (not to say permanent) storage object. But, even all movies that I own…Well, I always try to be as carefully as I can but, you’ll never know right? Do you think I’m depositing too much trust on DVD as a safe permanent storage? What is your experience? I guess it depends who you ask. http://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt/initiatives/temp-opmedia-faq.html http://ciaranm.hubpages.com/hub/How-long-does-a-recordable-CD-or-DVD-last http://www.computervideo.net/sep03-1.html http://www.rlvision.com/blog/how-long-do-writable-cddvd-last-400-discs-put-to-the-test/ I back up my stuff of dvd. 10-15 dollars for 50 dvds is much more easier to afford at a time than a extra hard drive. If a hard drive fails I am screwed out of all those series.If a dvd fails I am only out 1-2 series or 4-6 movies. 1-2 series or 4-6 movies is much easier to replace than hundreds of series or movies. Anytime I burn a dvd I make sure the verify recorded data is checked because nothing sucks worse than converting a whole series to play in your dvd player and several months later you go to play the disk and it messes up and you can't pull any data off the disk. |
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Narmy said: Unfortunately no.Do you know any way to check for that type of damage? I've got over 100 backup CDs of varying brands, so I could probably determine the average amount of deterioration over 8-10 years. One thing OP could do if he's as obsessive as I am is to download MultiPAR and store parity archives of his files on different discs. You could do, for example, 20% parity, which means it will create a .par2 file that's 20% the size of your video, and as long as under 20% is corrupted, and the parity is uncorrupted, you could recover it. |
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JUON said: Well, what is its durability? 15 years ago they said it was 100 years. I already know that it’s not 5 years because none of my discs seem to be gone. At least, not that I’ve noticed!! But I’m asking this even because I’m downloading various anime shows and converting them to burn into DVD discs but some of them I’m not planning to watch in a recent future. So I’m afraid I’m relying too much on a DVD as an excellent “long period” (not to say permanent) storage object. But, even all movies that I own…Well, I always try to be as carefully as I can but, you’ll never know right? Do you think I’m depositing too much trust on DVD as a safe permanent storage? What is your experience? It will depend on how you store it. I have a music cd on a CD-R that is over 10 years old and still plays fine. I've kept that CD in a CD wallet. |
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Negative-Travis said: It's an object made out of dinosaurs and metal, how long do you think it'll last? Data doesn't break down, either. Once you have a DVD, you'll have it until it's physically broken. or completely scratched to shit and the dvd cannot be read. |
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| depends on what they are stored in. I would say 7 years if used normally. |
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| I’ve read some time ago, that we, the owners, are in fact the major potential risk to its durability. Well, in fact, judging by the dirty and scratched surfaces on several DVDs from other users that have passed through my hands, I wouldn’t be surprised if the average durability of discs treated like that was those 5 years. In fact, I don’t even know how some of those disks were still readable at the time I used them. But, on the other hand, I try to be as careful as possible. Let’s say that, almost all those discs that were only used by me over the years still remain with their surfaces shining almost as if they were new! Doesn’t that also count? Well, don’t get offended but let’s just hope some of your predictions are so wrong. In, the meanwhile, I better not take the risk and start thinking about buying a 3rd HD disk. ^^ |
| You can store your discs in a museum and it might still fall apart due to factors outside of your control. The rate of failure depends on when the discs were manufactured, what class they are (A, B, or C), who the manufacturer is (name brand, or OEM), etc. But let's just say if there's a 5% failure, that's already too much for me, personally. If Episode 24 in a series breaks, then the whole series is useless. I'm a movie collector and I have 300+ blu-rays in a media server running OpenIndiana (Solaris) for its ZFS file system. ZFS reserves 1/8 of its disk space for a checksum tree for every file that you write into it; it is self-correcting. My files are also protected by a RAIDZ2 (RAID6 equivalent) with 2 parity drives, meaning I could afford 3 drives to be lost before I lose any data. Even with that, industry experts will tell you that RAID isn't substitute for off-site backup. Professional archives will keep something like that in addition to multiple tape drives. Now obviously all this is overkill for your situation, all I'm saying is be reasonable in your expectations. If you make the informed decision to keep your backups in DVD discs, then more power to you. |
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| They can last like Blue Rays or game discs can last for many many years depending on how well you care for them. Which is the fact for anything. |
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| I have 20 year old videodiscs that have terrible disc rot making them unusable. Some of my cheaper cd-r experienced this after 5 years. I hope DVDs are more durable but prob not. Most of my dvds, some dating back to the late 90s work fine, but I look after them as much as I can. I have some 30 year old cds that work fine as well. It's not a precise science, but optical media seems designed to rot away after a while so you are forced to buy the next generation of media (planned obsolescence imho). I have had wax cylinders from 1900 that still play, they don't design shit to last like that now. |
| The only CDrs of mine from 10 years or so back that aren't too great now are ones that have been sitting out in sunlight. I know the question is DVDs, but: keep them out of sunlight. |
katsucats said: Bad idea. A retail DVD uses a replication process that's different than DVD-R's. I think I've read that they should last 10-15 years. A DVD-R lasts 2-5 years, depending on the glue that holds together the top and middle layers. If you're lucky, they might last longer, but I wouldn't count on it. The best way to archive anything important still remains keeping multiple copies on different HDD's. That can't be truth. I have DVD-R's that are almost 10 years old and they play just fine. As long as you keep them in good condition they are fine. |
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katsucats said: Narmy said: No one who's serious about backing up data would use DVD's. Enterprise solutions use LTO tape drives and RAID in combination. If you think DVDs last 50 years, then by all means go lose your data on your own terms...More like 20-50 years. I don't know about DVD-Rs, but I have a ton of CD-Rs which I burnt in the late 90s, and they all still work, except for one or two, but that's because they were heavily scratched. |
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| DVDs can only do 480p though right? |
 Anime is good, fucking deal with it. |
| I have had very little trouble so far with CDs and DVDs. I have bought CDs since the early 1990s and DVDs since around 2000. I have also backed up a lot of stuff onto CD-Rs and DVD-Rs. While they have been quite reliable up to this point, they are not perfect. I have had a few cases of CD rot rendering a disc unusable. If a disc starts to develop spots or become discolored, back it up immediately or you may lose whatever is on it. Although the risk seems low, you should back up anything that you think is critically important, and you should keep an eye on your collection to watch for rot. Also, if you treat them with the same care you would a vinyl record (i.e. handle from the edges to avoid scratching, and limit exposure to extreme temperatures), they will last longer. Incidentally, I also have a few hundred 5.25" floppies dating back to about 1983. Every one I have used recently still works as well as it did back then. Still, it is worth backing up things like this; they can be fragile. |
| It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. |
| Why do people on MAL feel the need to tell everyone they pirate shit all of a sudden? |
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| Why the necro? |
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TyraMisoux said: Someone wanted to talk about CDs I guess.Why the necro? |
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black1blade said: DVDs can only do 480p though right? 720 actually |
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| As has been said long enough for them to become obsolete. |
| they last until something better than dvds are invented |
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