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Barion-Zara said: I'm really glad that there are Marines involved in this arc. Because now that they've seen how much the SHs improved we'll finally have our long awaited Bounty Level Up :D really can't wait for that. I don't see why there will be a bounty increase after this arc. Bounty increases typically come after opposing the Marines/World Government in some way. First bounty was after he took down Morgan (It was evaluated this his relative strength to other pirates in East Blue), then after Crocodile, then again after CP9, and finally after Whitebeard War, Impel Down, and punching a Celestial. |
luffydragneel said: Anyways, from this forum and others I've read, I don't believe anyone was saying Zoro is stronger than Luffy, only that at this point after the time-skip Zoro has shown more than Luffy. He hasn't struggled once. Zoro was never implied to be and never will be stronger than Luffy, 100%, simply enough as implied from many hints: -Mihawk admited that Pirate King>Master Swordsman -Mihawk=Shanks<Whitebeard=<Roger -Zoro's bounty was always lower than Luffy's. Yes I know that bounties aren't absolute power measures but then again Oda uses them exactly to hype characters, so you might wanna ask yourselves what role they have with the main party -Zoro would never acknowledge anyone weaker than him as a leader, so Luffy>=Zoro. -Luffy has proved his worth many times over Zoro by overtaking the strongest character within an island. -Luffy beat Lucci who had 4400 Doryouki(or however it was spelled) while Kaku had half of that, and both Luffy and Zoro stuggled a lot with their fair matches, and since Doryouki is an absolute power meter unlike the bounties) you can pretty much guess who is stronger. |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
| ^ Yes. Maybe now people will stop debating and actually discuss something relevant to the story. |
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| ^ There will always be inconsistencies in long running series' like this, Oda is human afterall. Though I'm not sure that the Zoro instance is an inconsistency because even Monet said that he was only blocking her attacks and nothing more. So obviously he wasn't trying the previous chapter. The reason he didn't actually cut her is because he knew how much weaker she was, and he knew he could just intimidate her. Trust me, if he were in a situation where he was fighting a girl who could actually hurt him, or his or another crew members' life was on the line, he wouldn't hesitate to kill her. I believe even Sanji, if put in the situation where a girl was about to kill a member of the crew, would put down a girl. Though he would most likely go into a supreme state of depression soon after, requiring all of Chopper's medical knowledge to overcome. |
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| I would still say it's more >= then > in favor of Luffy. I still think Zoro is kind of an equal to Luffy and if a fight between them would emerge, it would be something like Aokiji vs Akainu, or Jimbei vs Ace |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
Kanic said: Zoro was never implied to be and never will be stronger than Luffy, 100%, simply enough as implied from many hints: -Mihawk admited that Pirate King>Master Swordsman -Mihawk=Shanks<Whitebeard=<Roger -Zoro's bounty was always lower than Luffy's. Yes I know that bounties aren't absolute power measures but then again Oda uses them exactly to hype characters, so you might wanna ask yourselves what role they have with the main party -Zoro would never acknowledge anyone weaker than him as a leader, so Luffy>=Zoro. -Luffy has proved his worth many times over Zoro by overtaking the strongest character within an island. -Luffy beat Lucci who had 4400 Doryouki(or however it was spelled) while Kaku had half of that, and both Luffy and Zoro stuggled a lot with their fair matches, and since Doryouki is an absolute power meter unlike the bounties) you can pretty much guess who is stronger. I know what you're saying, but nothing is 100%, especially knowing Oda. What if Zoro has a falling out with Luffy later on? What if he thinks luffy is weaker, or they have a falling out(over zoro's ambition), just like Usopp did? I also think Robin will have a falling out eventually too, or will be tested. It would be boring if something like this did not happen later, especially for Robin. I don't think Luffy will stomp Zoro at all, especially when he's worlds strongest swordsman. You think WB stomped Mihawk? I don't think they ever tested it, they are from different generations.. Mihawk wanted to test WB out, but Jozu stopped his 'test' slice which was probably not a strong move at all for Mihawk. Now think that Zoro is stronger than Mihawk.. it would be an awesome confrontation. |
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| ^ I thought Robin's testing was done with Enies Lobby It would be interesting to see Zoro and Luffy part ways, but I think Zoro would hardly do that being vice-captain and the eldest in crew (1st joined) The only scenario I could see it happening is Zoro leading his own crew UNDER SH banners, like an alliance pirate crew, coming to Luffy's aid when needed. NOW that would be something. Like WB divisions.. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
kiDnameDSkia said: ^ I thought Robin's testing was done with Enies Lobby She is keeping secrets from the crew.. like about the poneglyphs.. she routinely goes off on her own and leaves the crew and she doesn't tell the crew what she currently knows.. She has her own 'mission' that i don't think has been revealed fully yet. I remember Aokiji mentioning something about it awhile ago, how every crew she has run with has been destroyed. Of course i doubt this will happen, but i do think that she will be 'tested' in some way again in the future with the Poneglyphs, and maybe One Piece or something else that has yet to be revealed. It's clear though that she has her own mission, but it hasn't been revealed yet, because she herself probably doesn't know since she's still reading and learning about it herself. It would be interesting to see Zoro and Luffy part ways, but I think Zoro would hardly do that being vice-captain and the eldest in crew (1st joined) The only scenario I could see it happening is Zoro leading his own crew UNDER SH banners, like an alliance pirate crew, coming to Luffy's aid when needed. NOW that would be something. Like WB divisions.. Yeah, it's not likely, but i think it could be possible, and would be an interesting arc where they fall out for abit. Maybe even like Zoro gets 'possessed' or controlled, but that's even less likely since he's so strong willed, but maybe Oda will do something like that just to show that they are roughly evenly balanced. It's like Roger and Rayleigh. I don't think Rayleigh was inferior, but i guess Zoro is not 'smart' like Rayleigh. Luffy's weak point is that he's 'dumb'. But so is Zoro, so yeah i dunno. Sanji seems to be the smart one in the crew, even though he acts 'dumb' when it comes to women. I think that the first mate should be as strong as the captain, or very close to it. Marco seems to be an exception, in that he looks very young, although that could be because he has the 'phoenix' power and maybe he doesn't grow old because he just regenerates. Maybe this is why he also seems 'weak', because most of his power is more defensive, and he can also fly. However, he took on admirals, so he should be admiral level. He also took a punch from Garp, and i guess Garp is roger level, so yeah. That's probably why i think he's weak when he's really not. Also, WB is probably just really strong, he's said to be the strongest man in the world, so probably even stronger than Garp. But then they made it seem like Shanks is strong as WB, so it's kind of weird. I'm rambling now, so yeah i'll stop haha. And what you said about Luffy seems correct. I think the SH crew size is very small now, if they want to be Yonkou, they would definitely need a bigger crew, but this will probably not happen because then they would need filler crew, and i don't thin that's going to happen with the straw hats.. Their ship also seems to be very small compared to all the other Yonkous ships, and i don't think they are going to get a new ship anytime soon, if ever. |
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| ^ Well, I think you forgot about the scene in Shakky's rip off bar, when Ray-san says he will tell Robin everything she wants to know for the trip, but in that case she'll miss an adventure of finding it alone and forming her own oppinion about it, and Robin then said no. Also, at the end of Enies lobby/Water 7 she says to Aokiji that she finally found her place...Also smiled when thinking before timeskip that she never thought of getting stronger for someone else. I think that's Oda sending messages that Robin has a firm standing in the crew now ^^ It is possible that she might be "tested" as you refer to, because she's a highly unbalanced character to begin with, but with so many indications I still think it's kinda improbable. About Zoro, he's dumbfounded when it comes to directions and thinking hard. But he always seems to understand the situation very clearly and always understands people so good, so in a way he has the smarts where he needs to. But yeah I agree, he's dumb like Luffy...They are both smart in same situations and dumb in the same moments :D It's hardly a Ray-Roger relationship. But I think that makes it all the better. I like the thing about Oda never repeating himself on the character development |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| What I don't understand is: where does it say in the manga that Roger was stronger than WB? Being the pirate king is not about personal strenght or crew strenght. It's about personality and influence. Also, where does it say that WB is stronger than Shanks? Or that Zoro is now stronger than Mihawk? Those are all speculations. For all that's worth, Pandaman could be stronger than all of them together. We can't even say for sure that Shanks used to be as strong as Mihawk (or the opposite). We can only say that they were rivals and that they were in more or less the same league, like Luffy, Smoker and Law are now. It's ok to speculate, but try not to go crazy with it. |
Shaduge said: Like romance in one piece? rofl I still can't get over tashigi beating monet and zoro not hitting women, I don't care if monet was mentally broken, she only took some pathetic attacks last week and one hit from tashigi managed to finish her off? Shall we analyze this? YES! - Zoro doesn't cut people vastly weaker than him. We've known this from the beginning. Ok, that is out of the way. - Now! Lets address Tashigi beating Monet. We already know that logia users have the shortest lifespan out of any other user in this series. Basically, Zoro completely wrecked her mind in 2 slashes. 1 attack with haki is good game gentleman when a logia is sitting there doing nothing. Shaduge said: Second point, how he said "there are certain things I don't enjoy slicing", I don't really care much but if he turns out to be like sanji that would be horrible, that's just plain sexist. If a woman can fight, then there shouldn't be any problem. And how zoro's power level just went over 9000 without any explanation, even though he had so much trouble last week. That's the kind of things I hate the most,when the logic just gets screwed, it's not wrong that zoro is stronger than her, what's wrong is how easy he could have finished her off, it's like she was one of those fodder marines. So now everything becomes possible, baby 5 and buffalo might even get owned by the SHs this early in the new world. Let's also analyze this because it seems as if you have missed 99% of One Piece. - "There are certain things I don't enjoy slicing." That has nothing to do with women. He is addressing the fact that he doesn't cut people weaker than him. - "Even though he had so much trouble last week". He wasn't having anything trouble what so ever last week. Refer to the point above. He simply didn't wish to clash swords with someone as pathetic as Monet. |
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m4rc0 said: What I don't understand is: where does it say in the manga that Roger was stronger than WB? Being the pirate king is not about personal strenght or crew strenght. It's about personality and influence. Also, where does it say that WB is stronger than Shanks? Or that Zoro is now stronger than Mihawk? Those are all speculations. For all that's worth, Pandaman could be stronger than all of them together. We can't even say for sure that Shanks used to be as strong as Mihawk (or the opposite). We can only say that they were rivals and that they were in more or less the same league, like Luffy, Smoker and Law are now. It's ok to speculate, but try not to go crazy with it. Expanding based on this post, one could say that Coby>Roger. Not too reasonable, aye? Also, about the bolded phrase, that alone sums up the logic of the speculations my friend. We don't say that Shanks=Mihawk for always and always and never will that change. We say exactly what you say. That Shanks and Mihawk belong in the same league, and with that as a basis, we consider the fact that one of them has yet to die at the hands of another and since it has been said that they had daily duels with each other that they are more or less the most equal in power characters in the whole series. It's mere deduction, not random speculation. From that point on Mihawk admitedly said"I want to see the gap in the powers between me and him" refering to WB, yet he was stoped by Jozu who is definetely inferior to WB , both of said facts are testament to the fact that WB>Mihawk and therefore WB belongs in a superior league to both Mihawk and Shanks, a league that for all we know is shaped only by Roger and WB (for now). |
| "But don't cry my friends, we are all the same.Every one of us is a human with "H" capital... and now we are two and one of us has to be shit." -Mr.Freeman |
Luis20 said: Whitebeard was considered strongest pirate in the world so he was stronger than Shanks lol Whitebeard's epitaph was World's Strongest Man. Strength does not necessarily equate to being the best. So yes, he could be "stronger" than Shanks, but Shanks could be more a powerful or greater pirate without being stronger than Whitebeard. |
| We do know that only WBs name held a large portion of NW territory and that Shanks clashed with him only to acknowledge him, also that Shanks who is supposedly below WB held of Kaidou, and BM didn't even bother lifting a finger in the whole ruckus. Also, it's stated that he's the strongest of the 4 yonkou, as well as the strongest man alive, only equal was Roger, who fought him a lot of times but was always kind of undecided. Also, they became friends in the end. |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
Kanic said: "I want to see the gap in the powers between me and him" refering to WB, yet he was stoped by Jozu who is definetely inferior to WB , both of said facts are testament to the fact that WB>Mihawk and therefore WB belongs in a superior league to both Mihawk and Shanks, a league that for all we know is shaped only by Roger and WB (for now). Assuming that's exactly what Mihawk said, it doesn't mean that he himself thinks he's weaker. The gap could be in his favor. Or it could be just his choice of words. As for being stoped by Jozu, Mihawk just threw a random slash and Jozu blocked it. He never fought seriously in that war. And let's not forget that Jozu was fighting well against Aokiji, so he's not a weakling. Also, Shanks was strong enough to intimidate Akainu with his presence. So yeah, there's no hard evidence that WB is stronger than Mihawk and Shanks. Oda is not an author that makes things like that clear and he never put them to fight for real in the manga. "It's mere deduction, not random speculation. " Deduction not based on facts is no different from speculation. Unless Oda clearly shows Shanks saying that he was weaker than WB in a fight or shows one beating the other, it's just speculation based on your interpretation of the uncertain information the author has given. |
Luis20 said: JkImpulse said: Luis20 said: Whitebeard was considered strongest pirate in the world so he was stronger than Shanks lol Whitebeard's epitaph was World's Strongest Man. Strength does not necessarily equate to being the best. So yes, he could be "stronger" than Shanks, but Shanks could be more a powerful or greater pirate without being stronger than Whitebeard. That does not make any sense. Whitebeard was stronger than Shanks, so he was more powerfull. He was the strongest man in the world. Shanks was the most closely to Whitebeard in strengh, altought we dont know the power of Big mom yet. You have failed to understand what the word strength means. For all we know, Shanks is weaker in physical strength than Whitebeard but would beat him in a duel because of other factors. I feel like when Oda gave Whitebeard the epitaph "World's Strongest Man", he literally meant, Whitebeard is the man with the most physical strength in this world. It is also reasonable to assume that he was physical stronger than Roger also. |
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| Well, to get a little off-topic (you'll never get to the bottom of a 100% accurate power evaluation between characters btw.), it's nice to see some new names joining forum discussions. Welcome TO THE REAL WORLD (heavy guitar riff) |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| This chapter reminded me of just how freakin' awesome Zoro is. |
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| I loved this chapter. Zoro's such a badass. |
| I really want to see this animated. You know they'll flesh it out. Everyone loves Zoro's character, even the animators. ME WANTS. |
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kiDnameDSkia said: Well, to get a little off-topic (you'll never get to the bottom of a 100% accurate power evaluation between characters btw.), it's nice to see some new names joining forum discussions. Welcome TO THE REAL WORLD (heavy guitar riff) Sick Puppies reference? |
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| ^Actually no, you could reference it to any rock band you want xD (googles sick puppies) |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| ^ ha, that's really ironic sick puppies has a song called "welcome to the real world" that starts exactly like that. What's even more ironic, is that I only know this is because I saw an amv with that song. |
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| hmm, while we're at it |
| This world is mine. I think this world may even just be a long, long dream I'm watching. You guys may just be illusions, and it can't be proven whether or not you really exist either. In other words, this world was created with me at the center. So what will happen if I die? I don't know. My imagination isn't very creative; I just can't imagine myself dying. In other words, there is no way this world can completely disappear. But if I die, then everyone will disappear. I am the only one in this world who won't disappear. The rest are just people I see as if in a dream. -Claire Stanfield, Baccano! |
| Hell yes. Amv people, get on it. The best one piece amv I've seen was "this is war" and was about the war of the best. Whoever made that was amazing, and the song fit perfectly. |
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| AMV EH?! I Wish it Was *Just a Dream* AMV [loosecontroi] (posted below) |
| first time I get really impressed with zoro awesome chapter |
| Zoro didn't need Haki to defeat Monet. |
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| Regardless of how short the fight was, I still enjoyed it! Zoro has become insanely strong. And that cut was terrifying!😨😱 It was a good choice that Tashigi did the finishing blow instead of him. |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
| Zoro just absolutely disrespected Monet lol. Had he used Haki, she would be dead. What a badass. |
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| Those two should just get a room already. Dojo room, I mean. Luis20 said: Whitebeard was considered strongest pirate in the world so he was stronger than Shanks lol Most dangerous pirate. More dangerous than Shanks because 1) He has a much bigger fleet than Shanks and more number of powerful subordinates. 2) His DF ability is much more destructive than anything Shanks can do. Shanks might be able to defend against WB's earthquakes due to Haki or something but an ordinary landmass or ordinary people can't do anything against it. 3) Also probably has more feats in his belt than Shanks due to having lived a much longer life than him. What this means is that WB being the most dangerous pirate doesn't necessarily mean he is individually stronger than Shanks. Maybe WB at his peak might have been stronger but this is current WB(before his death) we're talking about. |
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| How were people vouching for Monet as a strawhat when it was revealed literally a volume ago that she was working with Doffy? Anyway, she's out. I still don't get why Zoro was only defending against her at first tho |
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| Zoro, he won with intimidation! kekeke |
| haha Smoker better watch out! pretty sure "Wild Beast" Zoro stole his girl! |
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