| I believe that Makoto did deserve something bad, but I didn't think he should of died. But I do feel the girls and what the girls were going through. He is a selfish douchebag and needed to be taught a lesson, but I thought death was not a good option for Makoto. What do you guys think? |
| I didn't think he deserved to die...but I can't say I didn't cheer when he did. <:) |
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| No I don't think he deserved to die. Sure alot and I do mean ALOT of it but it's not like everything was his fault. I blame Kotonoha nearer the start for being damned near androphobic whenever Makoto came near her. I blame Sekai for not acting on her feelings at the beginning like she should have. I blame the rest of the girls for all wanting a piece of Makoto even though there was nothing special there. Anyone can make some ball bustingly large mistakes but no one should deserve to die for them unless another death is involved (Eye for an eye and all that). |
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Riptos said: No I don't think he deserved to die. Sure alot and I do mean ALOT of it but it's not like everything was his fault. I blame Kotonoha nearer the start for being damned near androphobic whenever Makoto came near her. I blame Sekai for not acting on her feelings at the beginning like she should have. I blame the rest of the girls for all wanting a piece of Makoto even though there was nothing special there. Anyone can make some ball bustingly large mistakes but no one should deserve to die for them unless another death is involved (Eye for an eye and all that). Have to agree with this entire post. |
| He deserved worse than that. |
| I don't think that he deserved to die. That's not a good solution for a love triangle problem.. |
| So if a guy cheats on his girlfriend alot then he needs to die? What kind of a bullshit logic is that? People don't usually approve of the death penalty for murder and shit and cause this is vicitional it's suddenly the right thing? Nice. What were the last things they guy did in the anime? He faced his first girlfriend that was the only deacent person in the entire anime and realised all the wrong doings he had done to her. After that he tells that to his current girlfriend, who was the first one to make him cheat on the original girlfriend and also made that girls life a living hell afterwards, and then gets killed. This anime was a clusterfuck. Horrible written characters and scenarios without no real pay off. |
| I don't think he deserved to die, but it felt good when he did. I blame Sekai for everything though. She was the reason why everything got fucked up. |
| YES, definitely YES. He should have been tortured a bit though (like ok not a bit but A LOT) |
| Fun thread. Thing is Makoto did most of his penile business with consented partners. None of them were coerced into it or were raped. So he definitely don't deserve to die. This guy isn't some mass murderer who have no qualm to murder more people. He's just a dude who seemingly have no parents or teachers that care about him and every girl near him wishing to hug his wang. Also, his utter useless capacity to think of consequences doesn't rank him far from an absolute idiot. But as a story? I think most people were just glad at the conclusion. He doesn't deserve it, but he sure as hell pushed some buttons to some obviously psychologically unstable girls into it. I'm still just confused why such an obvious real issue (teen pregnancy) is portrayed in such a stupid way by neglecting EVERY adult that was related to the characters of interest. I mean, it is a VN, so perhaps that's why, but man, it was a rollercoaster of idiocy. And because there was no adults, there wasn't much other way to end this in a way that makes more "realistic" sense. Like maybe go to therapy, community involvement, or whatever. All the other endings of the VN is also pretty silly, if I remember right. |
| Makoto wasn't specially guilty of the situation, that's why I rooted for a bomb that destroyed the school with every character in it. |
jal90 said: Makoto wasn't specially guilty of the situation, that's why I rooted for a bomb that destroyed the school with every character in it. O really? Having sex with multiple girls + cheating on your girlfriend, and then cheating on the girlfriend you cheated your last girlfriend with... |
ZooMas said: jal90 said: Makoto wasn't specially guilty of the situation, that's why I rooted for a bomb that destroyed the school with every character in it. O really? Having sex with multiple girls + cheating on your girlfriend, and then cheating on the girlfriend you cheated your last girlfriend with... I think those girls are self-aware enough to know where are they going, it's not that Makoto forces them to open their legs. In any case this alone is not a reason for murdering somebody, but as a part of the universe of School Days, he is as hateful as the rest of the characters and their paper-thin personalities. |
jal90 said: ZooMas said: jal90 said: Makoto wasn't specially guilty of the situation, that's why I rooted for a bomb that destroyed the school with every character in it. O really? Having sex with multiple girls + cheating on your girlfriend, and then cheating on the girlfriend you cheated your last girlfriend with... I think those girls are self-aware enough to know where are they going, it's not that Makoto forces them to open their legs. In any case this alone is not a reason for murdering somebody, but as a part of the universe of School Days, he is as hateful as the rest of the characters and their paper-thin personalities. Well okay i agree, maybe Makoto isn't the one that should have gotten all the blame, i would think it should have been Sekai, to get all the blame, She is the one that got Makoto and Kotonoha together, so leave them be don't interfere even if Makoto is a total dumbass. |
jal90 said: Makoto wasn't specially guilty of the situation, that's why I rooted for a bomb that destroyed the school with every character in it. Put the writers and director in it as well. |
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Corva said: So if a guy cheats on his girlfriend alot then he needs to die? What kind of a bullshit logic is that? People don't usually approve of the death penalty for murder and shit and cause this is vicitional it's suddenly the right thing? I agree with you man. The guy may not have a backbone, but what he did doesn't even amount to jailtime or fines. At worst he'd lose his girlfriend(s) and maybe would end up paying some living support if he got some of them pregnant (which I believe he did not). |
| And also, Kotonoha is a really fucked up character. I know she is the one who suffers the most through the series but she is built in a way that it kills any attempt at empathy or understanding the character. Her absolute lack of decision in her relationship with Makoto is forced to the point of being annoying. The thing is that, reading the manga, I discovered that Makoto and Sekai can actually be understandable and to a point likeable*, and that Kotonoha is just equally fucked up but it somehow makes more sense because there's only her (it is possible to find an unbalanced person in your ordinary life, not the most frequent but not impossible either), while in the anime she is one among many. * |
jal90Sep 4, 2012 2:22 PM
| Makoto was actually a pretty good guy in the novel (Unlocked 12 endings were he wasn't bad, and in one he was the victim, killed because he didn't want to raise Taisuke's baby) The anime version..I can't say that he was bad. It's not his fault that all girls in the school were sluts. I mean, come on, he's a kid and he was polite. He just didn't know how to say no and the girls used him. They manipulated him. But in the end, it was all Sekai's fault. Same thing applies for the novel too, because Kotonoha suffers way too much because of Sekai's selfishness. And if you play the route where Makoto is with Kotonoha, they potray Sekai as the VICTIM. I'm glad that there are endings where Sekai suffers, like that one when Makoto protects Kotonoha from the bullies and shouts at Sekai and her slutty ugly short hair basketball friend, and it ends with her crying and Makoto taking Kotonoha to the roof top. tl;dr - Makoto is good, Sekai is bad. |
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| Deserved what he got? No. However, I do find the resolution fits the tragic/dark romance category and matches up well with various crimes of passion. |
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ZetaZaku said: Makoto was actually a pretty good guy in the novel (Unlocked 12 endings were he wasn't bad, and in one he was the victim, killed because he didn't want to raise Taisuke's baby) The anime version..I can't say that he was bad. It's not his fault that all girls in the school were sluts. I mean, come on, he's a kid and he was polite. He just didn't know how to say no and the girls used him. They manipulated him. But in the end, it was all Sekai's fault. Same thing applies for the novel too, because Kotonoha suffers way too much because of Sekai's selfishness. And if you play the route where Makoto is with Kotonoha, they potray Sekai as the VICTIM. I'm glad that there are endings where Sekai suffers, like that one when Makoto protects Kotonoha from the bullies and shouts at Sekai and her slutty ugly short hair basketball friend, and it ends with her crying and Makoto taking Kotonoha to the roof top. tl;dr - Makoto is good, Sekai is bad. This. Sekai is just a bitch and she's the only one who started the conflict. |
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I wished they had incoporate the good end of SD instead The Bad Ends are what SD is all about and that is why each version of SD has a new,unique Bad End made for it. |
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i think he kinda deserved to die. i dunno. hes such a i blame sekai for "stealing" makoto.. like she showed a picture of makoto to setsuna and said "oh you should go after him" and then kotonoha comes along and she encourages them to go out............ then she goes after him herself and... GAH whatever.. im glad thats over and done with |
MikanOct 2, 2012 9:36 PM
| Fuck, deserved to die like that? No. As soon as that scene came, I instantly dropped it. |
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| but its like the last episode, all you had to do is watch 15 more mins or so and |
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| I think he deserved it; playing with peoples feelings ;_; |
| I don't think he deserved to DIE over it, no. He made some really, really awful decisions (I think at first it was a mix of him trying to keep everyone happy and, perhaps more pressingly, get as much tail as he could, but there definitely reached a point where he should have taken some action) and towards the end he just stopped caring altogether, but Sekai's behaviour was equally as whacky. She knew Setsuna, her best friend, liked him, AND she also set him up with Kotonoha, but all that time she liked him herself and eventually tried to get with him? Why didn't she just ask him out in the first place instead of setting another girl up with him? I don't know anyone who would do something like that, and I really think she sparked everything. As others have mentioned the girls Matoko slept with were consenting, and if he messed with peoples' feelings and manipulated them (which I'm not denying he did!) Sekai did the same just as much. Although, as much as I think he didn't deserve to die, I do think it was a perfect ending, a great crime of passion :D In those particular circumstances and in this particular series, I wouldn't really have wanted any other ending. |
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Otaku_God said: I definitely don't think he deserved to die. TBH, he was probably happier dying. Then he has not a worry in the world, he can screw all the girls he wants in hell. Actually, due to similar sounding Japanese words, there is some debate about whether he mutters "Sekai" or the word for "thank goodness" while being stabbed. Different translators have subbed it different ways.... Responding to an ancient post here... if you listen with your ears he said "Sekai" (I watched the entire series with no subs). I don't know how you could hear that as "thank goodness" which is "yokatta", I would not use whoever subtitled it that way. The only other slight possibility is "seikai" which is "the correct answer" but I have to believe he said her name. The name Sekai is a bit confusing as it means the world and even the kanji used is the same so unless you knew that was her name you could think he meant "the world" or "I'm leaving this world" but he was saying her name, whether because he loves her or because he is asking why she did it or if he hates her is not explained. BTW, the name Makoto is also interesting as it means truthfulness, true heartedness which Makoto was not. Most if not all of the other characters too had puns on their names. I loved this anime! I think it is a masterpiece. I have never played the VNs or read the manga so I can't compare it but standing on its own I loved the anime. I don't believe Makoto deserved to die but... I think the producer and director (who also do not deserve any punishment) wanted you to really hate him even though... They effectively showed that he was weak, allowing himself to be pushed around, lying, but still not doing anything worthy of punishment. He was awful for saying he didn't love Kotonoha, worse for kissing Sekai and others in front of her especially when she was the only one I think he actually liked. The girls that he slept with all came to him, including Sekai and the 'practice' they were doing. They all went to him, not the other way around. The only one he actually wanted was Kotonoha and he never slept with her! It almost felt to me like he was doing the thing where you want the girl you marry to be a virgin so you sleep with other girls even though you know you will marry the one girl you are serious with... From the anime I thought Sekai really was pregnant so in my mind it was still pretty awful of him to want to go to the hospital to talk about the burden with him. She certainly made it appear as though she believed she really was pregnant. What else can I say but whenever someone says, "I wish the harem protagonist would sleep with some or all of the girls" I want to tell them, "Watch School Days and see how well it can turn out!" I suppose Campione shows you can kiss all the girls (i.e. transfer knowledge) and get away with it but it is rare... |
hpulleyFeb 10, 2013 3:27 PM
hpulley said: From the anime I thought Sekai really was pregnant so in my mind it was still pretty awful of him to want to go to the hospital to talk about the burden with him. She certainly made it appear as though she believed she really was pregnant. Arguable. If you notice, Sekai rubs her stomach to conform her "pregnancy" every time something goes wrong or tries to separate her from Makoto, even after killing him. Sekai is trying hard to hold onto Makoto despite her already losing him. |
Notaninja_wtf said: The other thing i didnt get was why did Makoto just try to run away after he got stabbed i mean couldnt he have grabbed or hit the knife out of her hand or something. By the time Makoto saw Sekai and realized what is happening he was stabbed in the gut. He just couldn't react fast enough with that kind of injury. |
| I was laughing while Makota was getting stabbed. Hilarious in an otherwise Dark anime. |
unknownprodigyJul 14, 2013 10:30 AM
| He deserved it for messing around with others girls and for not knowing what he wanted. |
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RosyXkid said: He deserved it for messing around with others girls and for not knowing what he wanted. But Makoto knew what he wanted and got it: to fuck girls. |
| I can name a pair of harem main characters who deserve the same... |
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