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Jun 24, 2012 9:59 PM
#51
Holy crap........ I guessed it was the cameraman from the start because of the amateurish camera work......... Didn't know I was RIGHT. Or, at least, inside Oreki's thought process. I feel awesome now. |
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Jun 24, 2012 10:01 PM
#52
Jun 24, 2012 10:14 PM
#53
First for those who so easily denounced me that the keys were swapped without going through the movie themselves, I'd like to give you a present from EPISODE 8. Yes, EPISODE 8 where the whole movie is show: These pictures show a different key near his hand than what was picked up originally. I find the fact that I had to get the image myself and show it to you to be entirely a pain in the ass and a waste of time... Now do you believe me that they swapped keys? :) none of the outfits of the people change as to how they're wearing them so either the killer swapped outfits or covered the blood splatter with his hand while cutting. The bottom pair of the two lighter-colored brown hair are most likely not killers... they left the lobby and reappeared together and nothing seemed off about them. This means that Katsuta Takeo and Yamanishi Midori are innocent unless they worked together to be a killer but with how soon they met at the middle and the fact that their pathways to the room were blocked off would argue they couldn't be the killer. Another thing to pat attention to is that the two waiting rooms before the murder room both had their windows open and the one clors had + windows that looked broken: These rooms are something to keep in mind sense there was a rope mentioned when evaluating an answer to the mystery, not just the main room where the murder occurred. Also, the fact that the window is intact and closed in the locked room, as well as hard to open leave you to realize it would be hard to have entered via it. Now to continue, I'd like to point out the innocent pair met up at the middle at almost nearly the exact same moment as the black-haired girl, Kounosu Yuri. This allows me to argue she could not be a killer but an accomplice. The time it would take to climb up a rope is may decrease with experience but it still has a minimal time for climbing and with how soon she returned to the center, it's hard to label her as the killer for sure. Next I'd like to evaluate the top right pair. They are both suspicious... the boy ended up in a room above at the top left, on the wall near the door to enter the building and the girl when walking down the stairs stood and the fact that she didn't speak seemed awfully strange. I'm not trying to say there is a way to walk down stairs, it's just that even when she stopped on the steps, her standing position was awkward. The fact that they didn't stay together also hints that they are major suspects. Another thing to mention is how small the room the boy was seen in when comparing it to the other rooms at the top... his location and how where he was seen at when the others returned does not add up. Map: I can't give an accurate answer as to who did it but I'd say the girl who went up top, Senoue Mamiko is quite suspicious, her legs look like she was kind of point out that she was tired. The room she was give was big but depending on what's inside may cut the search time down low and if she was planning on murder from the get-go, the time to search would be 3-4 seconds for a place to hand and climb a rope down. The boy she went with, Sugimura Jirou, ended up in one of the smaller rooms, a utility room. I'm not saying it's hard to search but it's fairly close to the stairs. It lacks the need for a rope and there are many things he could look through but they were only aiming for a place to sleep, not a bunch of equipment. The black-haired girl is suspicious like Senoue Mamiko but with how soon she returned, I'm hesitant about it... of course the video camera wasn't showing a labeled time so we can't just argue "she only left for a few seconds" These 3 have countless ways of making it down there. Points to pay attention to is that the 2 girls who went up top on separate ways both went to get the key together... they could have discussed how well their plan went, assuming they worked together or interrogated each other about anything they saw the other doing. The boy with black hair also ran in and got his hand covered in blood the moment he saw the body. Since everyond had the same outfit on without blood, the splattering blood from the hand being cut would need to have gone somewhere... you'd think someone would have another outfit on or had to cover up the blood from splattering on them with their hands. This could be an ingenious way of covering up that he was the one who cut his hand off... |
kyled00mJun 24, 2012 10:30 PM
Jun 24, 2012 10:24 PM
#54
KaitoDash said: I don't think Houtarou failed this, rather, it's incomplete. This is just like how it went with Sekitani Jun's mystery. He left something out of his deduction. That's what exactly I was thinking. Wasn't surprised that the cameraman would be the murderer but that cliffhanger. Didn't expect we'll have like another Sekitani arc's situation. |
Jun 24, 2012 10:27 PM
#55
Another thing I'd like to point out is that Oreki's thinking is good for real-world situations... he was thinking seriously because if you're visiting somewhere with a group, and it's being filmed, the cameraman is also a character so I'll give him a cookie for thought... but that's all. He didn't consider the movie a movie... the cameraman is only a cameraman if he is labelled by other characters but they did well to only introduce the 6 characters and keep the camera off of any reflective surfaces and keep his body out of all shots. He is 100% not involved in the crime. Oreki also was too focused on the master key. I do admit that considering that the keys are switched would be the last thing to consider for amateurs but the fact that 2 people went to get the master key and returned together argues that the master key had not been taken before. |
Jun 24, 2012 10:33 PM
#56
Next Week's Episode Spoiler's from the Novel Irisu's Critic, which is actually quite obvious: "Never once did the movie show any use for a rope." Rope... The item that Hongou requested Haba to prepare. She even emphasized its importance. Come to think of it, it was mentioned before. As I was at a loss at how to respond, Ibara went on. "Having the cameraman as the seventh person is interesting, as you could feel the intensity of all the characters looking straight into the camera. But, that would leave no room for the rope to make its appearance." Indeed. No, that's not it. I countered, with my voice raised a bit. "The use of a rope is probably confined to specific tricks. Maybe the cameraman would use it to hang himself in the end, wouldn't he?" Ibara looked at me with exasperated eyes. "What're you talking about, Oreki? If that's the case, why would Hongou emphasize its use? If they were to shoot such a scene using something as robust as a rope, then they wouldn't need to worry about its safety. Since Hongou-sempai specifically asked for a rope strong enough to support a person... I think something's missing here." Here's Satoshi's critic for why it's wrong: "Houtarou, think about Hongou-sempai's understanding of detective fiction. Starting from a blank slate, what has she been reading in order to prep herself for the script?" Puzzled at what that had to do with all this, I answered, "Sherlock Holmes." "Exactly. Now listen, Hongou-sempai's experience with detective fiction is only limited to Sherlock Holmes. Though she said she'd stick to the Ten Commandments of Detective Fiction, she would not have read Ronald Knox's works yet. Besides, the trick that you proposed to Irisu-sempai is a type of literary trick. You hear? A literary trick." Well, I follow you loud and clear. "It's a trick made to fool the audience, right? By hiding the seventh person from the view of the camera, it may be considered a literary trick as well." "Right. Now, I'm going to join the dots here," As though speaking very solemnly, Satoshi took a deep breath and said in one go, "Such a literary trick did not exist in Conan Doyle's time." "......" "With a few exceptions, such a trick of coming out from behind the stages did not appear until at least Agatha Christie's time, in other words, way into the 20th Century. I may not know Hongou-sempai well, but I'm quite certain she's not read any of Christie's work!" Read it here: http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Hyouka#Volume_2_The_Credit_Roll_of_the_Fool_.E6.84.9A.E8.80.85.E3.81.AE.E3.82.A8.E3.83.B3.E3.83.89.E3.83.AD.E3.83.BC.E3.83.AB_-_Why_didn.27t_she_ask_EBA.3F ------------------------------------------- My Thoughts: I kind of like the novel better, since it is more indepth... The key to answering this mystery probably lies in the old Sherlock Holmes Novels... I was thinking that the killer might be tied up to the ceiling of the room, but that's a bit weird and difficult. The fact that the windows in the other rooms are open is still a bit suspicious to me... since the place is "abandoned'. BUT: If those other windows were open, then what if the locked room/room of death had an open window too? Then wouldn't the killer be able to come down from wherever and kill the guy. To hide his tracks he would close the window. The fact that Hongou only wanted a small amount of blood may mean something too... |
Jun 24, 2012 10:36 PM
#57
I think now I'm way less interested in the mystery, but more interested in Oreki's development. I suppose if I were to name a character that best describes me in real life, it would be Satoshi. So, it would be interesting to see how the naturally talented Oreki develops, and how the relationship between him and the rest of the gang plays out. What the new girl said is true though. Those who don't acknowledge that they have talent are scum, and those who don't make use of it, are even worse. And there's a fine line in being humble and just plain annoying. So, I'm glad they're touching upon some key aspects found in real life. I'm especially glad they showed that scene with Satoshi giving Oreki the 'cut-eye' look. It was pretty powerful, imo. |
Jun 24, 2012 10:39 PM
#58
And for a moment I thought they were going to ignore the rope thing.. I was so unsatisfied when Oreki just said "It doesn't matter how the murder carried out".. As expected of Hyouka, they did not leave any small detail unsolved.. The whole 7th person was interesting though.. Anyone thought that there's a reason the murderer chop off the victim's hand? I thought usually a murderer will stab instead of chopping off the victim's hand.. That looks way suspicious.. |
Jun 24, 2012 10:49 PM
#59
Oops indeed. Bound to make mistakes, he ain't Sherlock... Yet. |
Jun 24, 2012 11:07 PM
#60
Oh god this is interesting. Probably the best episode so far. From the beginning I got this feeling that I can't accept the Oreki's cameraman theory. Even after he explained it beautifully to Irisu. I found it amusing that it is just like how Chitanda felt at the ep 9 when she just cannot accept any of the 3 theories but she don't know where are the wrong points lol. Nevertheless, I also don't think that Oreki failed. He actually did a good job. To put it simply, at least his cameraman theory is much better than those other 3 theories. I have no idea though, whether his theory is just incomplete or totally wrong. Also, need moar Chitanda! I was quite happy when she showed and said "Oreki-san" but unfortunately, that's all for her. :/ This show is getting more interesting over time. Can't wait for the next ep. |
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Jun 24, 2012 11:11 PM
#61
CrimsonLight said: Oops indeed. Bound to make mistakes, he ain't Sherlock... Yet. Emphasis on yet |
Jun 24, 2012 11:13 PM
#62
Jun 24, 2012 11:26 PM
#63
@ kyled00m To be honest, there's not that much difference between any of the keys - they're all pretty generic. But I'm glad you brought up the windows in the two waiting rooms. Everyone assumes someone had to enter through the main hallway or the Left Wing window, but both of the waiting rooms are perfectly viable. A few other things I noticed after rewatching episode 8: There's a convenient ridge on the outside the building that connects all the upper floor windows. The entryhall is covered in dust which would leave footprints of any activity. The roof is noted to be still in tact. Each character has a backpack of some sort which could contain a climbing rope. Really, with so many windows, the possibility of any character having a rope and the option of climbing over the roof to any side of the building it is possible for any character to have committed the crime - the only determining factor is the amount of time they did it in which is uncertain. As for the seventh actor, it's possible that Eba was going to introduce a proper detective later in the story - after all, the detective is only needed after the crime is committed. Also, it was interesting to see how Oreki's lack of general knowledge (not knowing the 7 deadly sins, the tarot or the rules to writing mystery) came back to bite him as any of the other 3 would have immediately pointed out that the perpetrator must be properly introduced before being a viable suspect. |
Jun 24, 2012 11:38 PM
#64
I think he messed up because he's not trying to satisfy Eru.. He wouldn't have missed it if Eru is looking at him with her eyes. Him trying to "prove" his talent of being smart is wrong, his talent is to be "forced" to do something. "If I don't have to do it, don't do it, if I have to, make it quick" who's with me? |
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Jun 24, 2012 11:38 PM
#65
I commented earlier but after thinking about the episode I wish to finalize my theory. I would first like to state I have never read a Manga or Japaneses Novel in my life so I have no prior Knowledge of what is to be and that this is complete speculation. Culprit : Yuri Kounosu First, Yuri is the person whom suggested the stay at the mansion at the start of the film. While this does not equal a murder, added with other facts that tend to be orchestrated by Yuri it ends up adding up. Yuri was the one who grabbed the keys for everyone at the start of the film and laid them out on the table, she is also the one to suggest that the master key not be used or taken by a specific person. Also,Yuri is the second person to pick up a key right after the murder victim. In this way she could have made sure that she and him would have been in the correct places at the correct time. In my opinion, Yuri at the point of laying the keys out on the table, had already taken the master key. The map shows that Yuri was on the floor above the murder victim. Additionally there was no other member of the party on that side of the house for either the 1st or the second floor. According the map there are two points of entry on the first floor from the second floor that Yuri could have used assuming that the rope could have been used by Yuri to travel from the first to the second floor. These two points were the first two waiting rooms before the murder box in which at least one had an open window to be used as an entry point. After the murder Yuri could have climbed back up to the second floor. Once they grouped up once again they traveled to the door that separated them from the murder box. Once they realized they did not have the key to the locked room Yuri was the first one the suggest that they travel back to get the master key. Yuri may have already had the key at this point and locked the door of the murder box just so she had an excuse to "receive" the key from the storage. That's all there is to the theory, most of it lines up with the creepy dude who had the second theory (I hate him as much as the next guy but he may be correct), and I hate the idea of the shy kid always being the killer but its the best I could come up with. |
SolovkiJun 24, 2012 11:50 PM
Jun 24, 2012 11:41 PM
#66
AnimeMangaVicki said: Synrite said: AnimeMangaVicki said: Now i am really wondering why they didnt just ask Eba cuz she is Hongo's best friend so she could've easily asked Hongo about it. Why didn't goku ask the dragon balls to wish that all villains in the universe just died, or that him and his friends can be all powerful gods? Why didn't misaki from Kaichou wa Maid-sama! just come out and tell everyone she is a maid and worked it out? Why didn't lelouch just walk up to the emperor and tell him to kill himself, or just take advantage his powers quicker? Why didn't inuyasha and kogome take better care of the jewel shards and instead lost them after every ten episodes? They all had there reasons for not doing what they did and if you want to enjoy watching anime you should just learn to understand that there may be unforeseen reasons for characters actions and just go with it. Actually, in the episode, when Mayaka points out that they didn't use the rope, in the corner of the screen it says "Why didn't she ask Eba?" which kinda made me think that they were gonna explain that too. That phrase has actually been there in every episode of this arc. It's kind of subtle, and the font makes it a bit easy to miss if you're too focused on the subs. |
Jun 24, 2012 11:53 PM
#67
Jun 25, 2012 12:06 AM
#68
Best episode hands down. An episode without Chitanda feels so much more entertaining without the constant clueless squawking from her mouth. And Houtarou actually develops a lot more with influence from other people instead of just Chitanda constantly forcing herself onto him. His interaction with Irisu just feels so much more fluid compared to his interaction with Chitanda's. All she does is just pelt him with question after question. The cliffhanger ending was great too. A sudden mishap on Houtarou's part. Would be pretty damn boring if everything goes picture perfect in each arc. |
WasabiJun 25, 2012 12:10 AM
Jun 25, 2012 12:29 AM
#69
Jun 25, 2012 12:34 AM
#70
The best episode so far, loved the cliffhanger at the end~! Can't wait until next week~ This girl...SO MOE~!<3 |
Jun 25, 2012 12:43 AM
#71
Ellis-chan said: The best episode so far, loved the cliffhanger at the end~! Can't wait until next week~ This girl...SO MOE~!<3 Yui! .... oh, wait Personally, this episode missed a significant amount of chitanda. I would have liked to see her with a hangover <3 |
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Jun 25, 2012 1:02 AM
#72
I was thinking what for is that rope. But Oreki and the Empress..... |
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Jun 25, 2012 1:12 AM
#73
LadyFujoshi said: maybe ...they use the rope to hang the cameraman? 0_o That... that was exactly what I was thinking. However, even though his theory was incomplete the title he choose was "Out of Sight, Out of Mind". Even though they didn't film the seventh person being hung the movie still can be considered to have the same ending intended because the death of the Cameraman happens "Out of Sight, Out of Mind." @ - Solovki - The theory of climbing through the window was shot down because the window stuck. Out of the three doors only one did not have the path blocked. Or are you talking about the open window we saw in the room nearby? The question of how she returned the master key still comes up. I'd need to re-watch the episode to see who goes off to get the key. She might have been one of the ones that went. |
Jun 25, 2012 1:13 AM
#74
Wow, Satoshi is jealous? I wonder why, I don't think that it is because Oreki "gets" the girls, so I'm curious. |
Jun 25, 2012 1:49 AM
#75
That was a pretty good episode. After thinking about it a bit because the mystery is eating me alive and out of pure speculation of what information is available I've come up with a theory with two possibilities. Tthe culprit: Sugimura He was the one that occupied the room that had the clearest view of the lobby. Considering the camera angles. It is possible that when the camera showed Sugimura in the upper room it was intentional to show a distance of height. This could be were the rope was used. By using the rope he can lower himself to the first floor without walking into the other people that were also in the second floor rooms. He can then grab the master key and head towards the victim's room, kill him, return the keys, climb back up and pretend nothing happened. This is all assuming that the cameraman is not the seventh character and that the black fade in the middle of the film when the characters left to their respective rooms was so that it wouldn't catch Sugimura climbing down the rope from his room. But if we neglect the cameraman as a character then the flashlight used to light the scenes is not explain unless it was really for lighting. If the flashlight was indeed used for lighting, and the fact that the characters look at the camera is purely due to inexperience. Then it is possible that the seventh character is an outsider that acts as the detective in the for the film to solve the murder. However, if the lighting was used intentionally as a sign that the cameraman is a seventh character and that the characters look at him not from inexperience but by his actual presence, then it could be possible that the cameraman and Sugimura were working together to kill the victim. The cameraman would make sure that Sugimura is not caught while he goes to kill the victim. That is basically my theory. |
Jun 25, 2012 2:09 AM
#76
Jun 25, 2012 3:18 AM
#77
LOLOLOL @ THE GUY SHOOTING EVERYONE ELSE'S THEORIES DOWN AND CLAIMING HIS ONE WAS RIGHT AT THE LAST EP'S THREAD >:D ...okay now I've gotten that out, I really liked this episode. I also especially liked how they gave it the illusion of being solved, and only revealing it at the end for a nice cliffhanger :D. I had the rope in mind throughout Oreki's explanation of the mystery to Irisu, but for some reason, it jumped straight of out my brain afterwards. Maybe its because I thought it was finished lmao. Well at least I'm glad I forgot about it, it gave me quite the surprise and something to look forward to next week :D. 5/5 ...and to the guy i just laughed at at the beginning of this post, the mystery isn't over yet, so maybe your theory may still hold some value. Perhaps they might have to rethink the entirety of the mystery, who knows. Just don't trash talk everyone else's theories next time, saves you face when your theory turns out to be wrong. :) I wasn't any of theorists btw, just giving advice. |
Jun 25, 2012 3:20 AM
#78
I get the feeling this whole episode is pretty much Oreki being thrown off by his ego boost from everyone showering him with praise. The whole "be humble" Japanese mantra seems to be all over this. 'Don't think your special. Always think you can get better. If you think your special you'll screw up. don't get cocky' Sure enough he starts thinking about what everyone tells him and he loses focus and screws up in his deductions. I get the feeling that Irisu girl even knows about the missing rope flaw in his theory. I get the feeling that she couldn't draw her own conclusion. So she just went with his flawed theory which was good enough to go with without a major plothole. Outside of a few insiders no one would care about a rope that was never existed in Oreki's version that was made. I'm sure Oreki's guilt will lead him to reevaluate the story and come up with the correct solution. random theories and speculation thoughts.. I think the camera guy is part of the cast, but he's not the killer. In the beginning narration it mentions "seven volunteers.... they went there as part of their research" If there's seven volunteers on this trip then I'd assume the camera guy is that seventh volunteer. He's probably some hentai-loving otaku or something the others would find "gross" behavior. So, outside of doing the camerawork and lighting, no one wanted to talk to him. In essence, the cameraguy makes a perfect scapegoat for the real killer. Maybe this is where Oreki screwed up. He forgot about the rope and didn't think to add it to the original story, which would be the centerpiece clue that leads to the real killer. Now a few people this week speculated the following .. Yuri, the short haired introvert female, was the one that pointed them in the direction of the mansion. She also pointed out where the map was. She showed them where the keys were and handed/laid them out. She seemed to be leading them along and knew way too much about the place. The final piece is that SHE was the person who went to the upper level on the same wing as the victim. Everyone else went to the left wing. NOW, someone pointed this next theory out last week, so I can't take any credit. But his deduction was brilliant enough that when Oreki's theory came out I was shocked that it wasn't included. here it goes.. All escape routes in and out of that room were supposedly not used except the locked door. Kaitou was in the room so the door shouldn't be locked. A key is found next to his hand so unless someone got the master key the door should be unlocked. Now if the Cameraguy remained in the main foyer no one could gain access to the Master key without him knowing. What if the person who killed Kaitou took his key and locked him in and left their own key as a replacement. I'll add.. Then the person escaped by climbing out the window of one the two reception rooms? This person would have also climbed down the same way. The reception room closest to the crime scene looked like it had a window opened a crack. Since Yuri was on the same wing as Kaitou and she was the one that was leading them along, It sort of makes her the prime suspect and the only person besides the cameraguy who had a reasonable opportunity to kill Kaitou. Haba was on the right track with the climbing from the second floor. The problem is he had everything else wrong. Also, the amount of blood that Hongou wanted used was small. However, Haba purposely made the story gore-ish with a chopped off arm and blood spatter. I got the feeling Hongou wanted the crime to be a blow to the head with minimal blood so that all the researchers could be considered a viable suspect. The type of act that killed Kaitou would only seem to fit the pattern of a strong male. As well as, not having blood transfer become an issue in solving the crime. Oreki also pointed out that he felt Hongou wanted a mystery, not a horror. But i also think Hongou wanted the possibility that the murderer could be a women and that their clothes could remain clean. One last thought. Did anyone find Irisu's praising Oreki a bit suspect?? It seems from the tea room meeting up until his Theory reveal, she seemed to be overly praising him. almost to the point you wonder if she was trying to psychologically sabotage him. Something didn't seem right with that. To me, it's seemed way too obvious that she was trying to induce a desired response from Oreki. |
CirrisJun 25, 2012 3:38 AM
Jun 25, 2012 3:40 AM
#79
Jun 25, 2012 3:43 AM
#80
Oreki getting too far ahead with himself when Irisu called him special that's why he made a mistake... Well can't blame him though, what guy wouldn't get so worked up when a hot senpai have a lot of expectation with him... And lol disappointed looking Chitanda XD I hope after this arc finish we can still get more Irisu senpai... because she's hot... In next episode, Oreki going to realized that he's better off being "grey" |
amc9988Jun 25, 2012 3:51 AM
Jun 25, 2012 3:45 AM
#81
Cirris said: One last thought. Did anyone find Irisu's praising Oreki a bit suspect?? It seems from the tea room meeting up until his Theory reveal, she seemed to be overly praising him. almost to the point you wonder if she was trying to psychologically sabotage him. Something didn't seem right with that. To me, it's seemed way too obvious that she was trying to induce a desired response from Oreki. I personally think that that was part of her ability to make anyone do what she wants, because that was what she wanted and that method certainly did work. I personally think they were hinting at a romance, but it could also go the other way. However, what motives could she have to possibly have to want to sabotage him? Jealousy? A test that's part of her greater scheme? She certainly seems to be either a love rival or the eventual villain. Definitely not just an extra character for the sake of this mystery arc. :s |
Jun 25, 2012 3:53 AM
#82
What if two people were in on it? o.O |
Jun 25, 2012 4:57 AM
#83
Daaaaaamn, that was a great cliffhanger. Mayaka's really sharp. I completely forgot about the rope. I wonder how they'll conclude this. |
Jun 25, 2012 5:03 AM
#84
wow :D best description of solution and reason to kill is here that was so.... so lame no one spoke to him so he killed someone :D great this series goes into realm of Milky Holmes in next episode: Oreki learns he was wrong so he kills himself, Chitanda falls into alcoholism, Satoshi is forever alone :P |
Jun 25, 2012 5:08 AM
#85
Such an intense episode. Oreki did it again; once again a great theory. But like the last big mystery we had, this one needs some improvement too. It was a good catch by Mayaka. Satoshi was right in that she has the talent! But I guess I'm more curious about what Chitanda had to say. Again, animation was fabulous and background music was better. |
And slowly, you come to realize... It's all as it should be... |
Jun 25, 2012 5:09 AM
#86
Dalek-baka said: in next episode: Oreki learns he was wrong so he kills himself, Chitanda falls into alcoholism, Satoshi is forever alone :P And Dalek-baka goes back to watching dramatic love comedies cause that is the only thing he understands and appreciates. |
Jun 25, 2012 5:22 AM
#88
argilium said: Ever heard of something called rhetorical question, take a look.Ajunky said: because the writer is sick with some unknown illness that does not allow her to be contacted.. she might be in a hospital and unconscious, or at home with overworrying parents who wouldn't let her out or use a phone.. heck, i don't know.. deal with it..Once again, why couldn't they just ask the writer? |
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Jun 25, 2012 5:36 AM
#89
Dalek-baka said: this series goes into realm of Milky Holmes at least milky holmes is funny and baldly stupid. Hyouka try to be something else, but failed much harder, than milky holmes as a detective anime. |
Jun 25, 2012 6:19 AM
#90
1 of the better episodes. Love the focus/development on Oreki and satoshi on this episode. |
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Jun 25, 2012 6:21 AM
#91
I had to go back to previous episode to remember what was wrong with rope not being mentioned in Oreki's final theory. It did seem a bit weird how he by himself got the right theory in quite short amount of time. I wonder what really was Hongou's plan. Also Irisu seemed to be pushing Oreki a bit too hard, she was nicer and praised him more than anyone up until now. It seems fishy and i would guess that she came up with the very same theory as Oreki did this episode, but wanted to make it officially his theory in case it's wrong... or something. Definitely looking forward to next episode, as this week's was really good. |
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Jun 25, 2012 6:43 AM
#92
Jun 25, 2012 6:44 AM
#93
i think hognou is just fine... all of this just someting she's been plotting with irisu senpai... didn't know about the motive, maybe prolog for a long arc... just saying |
Jun 25, 2012 6:44 AM
#94
Another great episode. The possibility of the seventh man is surprising, but probably follows Sherlock-esque theories. Though, I stilll insist on the absence of the killing weapon. There was an interesting comment regarding the complicated murder. Surely preparing a prosthetic hand is way over the top to indicate a murder? A stab to the heart would suffice! I offer a spectacular theory based on Oreki's. Everyone is basically conspiring to kill Kaitou, so it's an Orient Express!. The cameraman is merely there to prove an alibi. Method of killing? Does not matter, because the weapon could not be found (hidden by one of the character). The rope? It is merely an option for the killing weapon, just in case someone felt like hanging Kaitou. |
Jun 25, 2012 7:05 AM
#95
lonelydemon said: huh, There's another vital mistake that Oreki completely ignore. He didn't take into consideration the 10 commandments the 10 rules to follow when making a mystery fiction. yes,I completely agree.Based on the rule,The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story,so the cameraman has to be excluded if the director really follow these rules as Irisu mentioned b4. Zhou said: I don't care about the rope, Hongou changed the script and that's it? Haba could've lied on top of that, I wouldn't trust him. Don't you fucking dare bring Haba back, he is disgusting and that one second this episode was already too much. phhh...hahaha,the way you saying this is very hilarious |
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Jun 25, 2012 7:28 AM
#96
Synrite said: And Dalek-baka goes back to watching dramatic love comedies cause that is the only thing he understands and appreciates. Ok this was decent... but next time please try harder, ok? groundfish said: yes,I completely agree.Based on the rule,The criminal must be someone mentioned in the early part of the story,so the cameraman has to be excluded if the director really follow these rules as Irisu mentioned b4. But did he know them? Because if not than that weird solution is plausible - and he wasn't too much into that stuff before if I recall. And of course if autor used them at all. So it will come up in the end with - what she could to do with that rope. It's not about window as it was shut, not exactly with those two passings between rooms (still one could use them to pull things into them to make them look as closed). |
Jun 25, 2012 7:46 AM
#97
Great episode, but another cliffhanger? Well the main strength of this show is animation quality so it makes sense that they do that. I was surprised when they said it was the cameraman, it does make sense but it is sort of lame imo. I'm looking forward to the next episode. |
Jun 25, 2012 8:20 AM
#98
Cirris said: I get the feeling this whole episode is pretty much Oreki being thrown off by his ego boost from everyone showering him with praise. The whole "be humble" Japanese mantra seems to be all over this. 'Don't think your special. Always think you can get better. If you think your special you'll screw up. don't get cocky' Sure enough he starts thinking about what everyone tells him and he loses focus and screws up in his deductions. I don't really get that feeling from it; the opposite if anything, the whole series has been pushing Oreki to accept that he has a gift, and start doing something with it. If there's moralising in this episode, it's probably more along the lines of 'if you're going to do something, don't be half-arsed about it'. I think Oreki's theory is correct as far as it goes, but there's obviously more to it, and his blunder of leaving out the rope could have been easily avoided by checking back over the information they'd been given to make sure he hadn't missed anything. He didn't bother, so he screwed up. Really good episode, especially nice after the snooze-fest last week. I love the odd tension in the conversations between Oreki and Satoshi, they're always fascinating to watch. It'll be interesting to see Oreki's reaction to his stuff-up next week. |
Jun 25, 2012 8:22 AM
#99
Na I think this was just one of Oreki's "Its all part of the plan." moments, he just messin with them =P Irisuuu senpai <3 for making Oreki blush :3 |
Jun 25, 2012 8:32 AM
#100
@Dalek-baka That is the problem, so the truth won't be as same as his deduction but totally different |
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