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Jack_Rav said: Man, the comments are of a bristling nature at the moment. It seems that feminist threads often turn out this way. There must be something about women drawing attention to inequalities that young men find troubling! :> |
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| As a male, and thus safe from being labelled a feminist (I would hope), I can see there only being one weakness in the already known to me proven medical proceedure from the OPs post. Men. They are the weak link. Men need that feeling of manliness, that sense that they can procreate at a moments notice. They know that getting pregnant is a woman's problem, because aside from supporting babies (which plenty of men find ways of avoiding until they are forced to), they have no risks. No man ever died in child birth, they have no incentive to worry. Male contraceptives are like alternative fuels, not going to happen until it's forced on society. |
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Lesley_Roberta said: Again, assuming all men are alike. Men need that feeling of manliness, that sense that they can procreate at a moments notice. They know that getting pregnant is a woman's problem, because aside from supporting babies (which plenty of men find ways of avoiding until they are forced to), they have no risks. No man ever died in child birth, they have no incentive to worry. Come on, you're old enough to see how silly that is. |
| To anyone who thinks I've been rude, I'm sorry but I'm usually this blunt even in real life, although I'm not actually sorry. I made the first post showing an article I had found interesting and wanted discussion on. I asked why it wasn't being used (or researched) more and why woman are the only ones forced to bear the burden of contraceptives and birth control. I know why the inequality exists, don't deny it, some of the most eloquent replies to this thread have made the point quite well, but I wanted to see the opinions of others. What I got in return was a bunch of guys crying and whining about a needle to their balls every 10 years. All I saw in that was a bunch of irrational children. I would much rather be a guy and get a needle to the balls every 10 years (even if it was for no reason) in exchange for not being a girl and having to experience cramps and other lovely things every month, as well as the possibility of pregnancy which I personally don't want at all for myself. So I'm going to be as "rude" as I want. Lesley_Roberta said: Well said! Although the only comment I wanted to make is that you can be male and a feminists, unless you enforce the oppression of women, although I'm guessing you already knew this and probably don't mind equality for women, hopefully. You're obviously at less risk of being called a feminazi though.As a male, and thus safe from being labelled a feminist (I would hope), I can see there only being one weakness in the already known to me proven medical proceedure from the OPs post. Men. They are the weak link. Men need that feeling of manliness, that sense that they can procreate at a moments notice. They know that getting pregnant is a woman's problem, because aside from supporting babies (which plenty of men find ways of avoiding until they are forced to), they have no risks. No man ever died in child birth, they have no incentive to worry. Male contraceptives are like alternative fuels, not going to happen until it's forced on society. |
Baman said: Nowhere does it say "all men" anywhere in this thread actually, except in your posts... Saying "men" is a generalization, a representation of the majority, or at least the majority that has been the most vocal in their outright objections thus far.Lesley_Roberta said: Again, assuming all men are alike. Men need that feeling of manliness, that sense that they can procreate at a moments notice. They know that getting pregnant is a woman's problem, because aside from supporting babies (which plenty of men find ways of avoiding until they are forced to), they have no risks. No man ever died in child birth, they have no incentive to worry. Come on, you're old enough to see how silly that is. |
astronomicalMar 28, 2012 6:20 PM
| i glad wear condom rather than doing this. i think most of us have same thought |
tembikai said: It seems so, since men are not the victims of the inequality women are subjected to, most don't even notice it, and even less care.i glad wear condom rather than doing this. i think most of us have same thought |
astronomical said: ]It seems so, since men are not the victims of the inequality women are subjected to, most don't even notice it, and even less care. Heh. So you're saying we aren't? So when we can't defend ourselves when a woman tries to scratch our eyes out, it isn't inequality? So when the rule of law favor women in fear of being called Sexist, and we are thrown at the mercy of our peers, it isn't inequality? When a woman is given an opportunity, par equal rights, and she is given more chance then a man absed on her gender, it isn't inequality? Go to hell. |
astronomical said: tembikai said: It seems so, since men are not the victims of the inequality women are subjected to, most don't even notice it, and even less care.i glad wear condom rather than doing this. i think most of us have same thought WTF are you even talking about? What is this great inequality? Most couples use condoms for protection anyway, condoms are the most common method of contraception, isn't the men who wear that shit? Stop being such a crybaby. |
MonadMar 28, 2012 6:24 PM
Lauriet said: Oh no, you poor objectified member of the male sex. Please go try to remove your head from your ass before speaking again.astronomical said: Heh. So you're saying we aren't?It seems so, since men are not the victims of the inequality women are subjected to, most don't even notice it, and even less care. So when we can't defend ourselves when a woman tries to scratch our eyes out, it isn't inequality? So when the rule of law favor women in fear of being called Sexist, and we are thrown at the mercy of our peers, it isn't inequality? When a woman is given an opportunity, par equal rights, and she is given more chance then a man absed on her gender, it isn't inequality? Go to hell. |
Monad said: If you had read everything in this thread and were a logical human being, you would know why that's bullshit.astronomical said: WTF are you even talking about? What is this great inequality? Most couples use condoms for protection anyway, condoms are the most common method of contraception, isn't the men who wear that shit? tembikai said: It seems so, since men are not the victims of the inequality women are subjected to, most don't even notice it, and even less care.i glad wear condom rather than doing this. i think most of us have same thought Stop being such a crybaby. |
astronomical said: Monad said: If you had read everything in this thread and were a logical human being, you would know why that's bullshit.astronomical said: WTF are you even talking about? What is this great inequality? Most couples use condoms for protection anyway, condoms are the most common method of contraception, isn't the men who wear that shit? tembikai said: It seems so, since men are not the victims of the inequality women are subjected to, most don't even notice it, and even less care.i glad wear condom rather than doing this. i think most of us have same thought Stop being such a crybaby. Cry more. After seeing a little of what you write though you are right about one thing though, you ain't feminist in the sense that you love your gender, you actually hate your gender and your man hate is out of jealousy because you ain't one. You are pathetic. Also you already got a nice answer by a woman in the text below, now shut the fuck up , grow up and learn to love yourself and spare us of your antics. Liloute said: Except, all men here did say they'd prefer using a condom rather than this procedure, which does mean they're not against the use of condoms. Also, as you stated it previously, it's above all a matter that shall be discussed between the two persons involved in a couple so in the end, it's always a choice made together. Whatever that choice will end up being. If it's not the case, that's no longer a matter of which contraception is the best, but who is submissive to whom and that's their problem as a couple/individuals... I shall hope that most couples out there do have enough respect and communication to not reach that point. :) |
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rumpelstiltskin said: Monad said: astronomical said: @monad, your post really makes no sense at all... all I see is blah, blah, blah, I'm trying to insult you but I suck at it, blah, blah, blah. Indeed you do suck. See, finally we both agreed on something.  ^ erryone on that argues on this forum. |
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Asturaetus said: traed said: I also recently found out wifi may decreases sperm >.> lol I guess we are all safe? xD http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/laptop-wifi-sperm-damage-electromagnetic-radiation_n_1118726.html Considering the fact that one sperm is enough to cause pregnancy - u need one hell of a transmission amplifier ^^ And not everyone has a Wifi-Device - but psssst ... heat also decreases sperm production (but don't go putting ur balls on a stove ^^) You can boil them in water though. You have to hold them or tie them so they dont retract into the body and they overheat and making you temporarily sterile |
Lauriet said: Heh. So you're saying we aren't? So when we can't defend ourselves when a woman tries to scratch our eyes out, it isn't inequality? So when the rule of law favor women in fear of being called Sexist, and we are thrown at the mercy of our peers, it isn't inequality? When a woman is given an opportunity, par equal rights, and she is given more chance then a man absed on her gender, it isn't inequality? Go to hell. Dude. No. |
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traed said: ycart59 said: Lol as soon as I read the procedure, I knew that no man would be on board with this. Which is kind of ridiculous, considering how many steps women go through to avoid getting pregnant. Of course, women are the ones that get screwed over the most when they get knocked up, so I do think that they should take the most precautions, but still. It doesn't sound any worse than getting an injection or giving blood. And it lasts up to ten years? The pain that it causes seriously sounds worth it to me. But, then again, I'm a woman. I wouldn't know what it's like to get a needle in the ballsack. No man would? A bit of a overassumed generalized statement. Its not supposed to be a replacement for condoms its more of a replacement for tube tying but not as extreme and more reversable so its more along the middle road so most wont do it but some would. Well, judging by most of the reactions in this thread from men, it seems like a pretty true statement. I also asked about ten of my guy friends today what they thought of it, and all of them said there was no way in hell. AnnoKano said: Christ, and some people think we don't need feminism anymore... my, how naive they are. There's such a negative connotation with the word feminism, like everyone that's a feminist is a crazy psycho, man-hating bitch. When really, the definition for feminism is: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. Under that definition, any woman that isn't a feminist has no self respect. |
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Lauriet said: When a woman is given an opportunity, par equal rights, and she is given more chance then a man absed on her gender, it isn't inequality? What? What do you even mean? ?_? Lesley_Roberta said: Men need that feeling of manliness, that sense that they can procreate at a moments notice. They know that getting pregnant is a woman's problem, because aside from supporting babies (which plenty of men find ways of avoiding until they are forced to), they have no risks. No man ever died in child birth, they have no incentive to worry. Male contraceptives are like alternative fuels, not going to happen until it's forced on society. What in the fuck is even wrong with you? Not all men think this. Some people don't actually want children, ever. Men get vasectomies. People in general want to procreate, not just men. Though I've never known anyone to want to be able to procreate at a moment's notice... Except I guess you, since your only accomplishment has been to cum in your 2/10 wife. You know you have to wait a while after stopping the pill to be able to get pregnant, right? Plus stopping mid cycle can make you quite ill. ---- This is a cool alternative. I would like to see further research done. :) I don't want children ever and nor does my partner. |
selective_yellow said: What? What do you even mean? ?_? afhaasztugfnvgklvnv so much misspelling on that one. Pretend it doesn't exist. Monad said: Indeed you do suck. See, finally we both agreed on something.<img src="http://th17.photobucket.com/albums/b87/RavenTashine/Guild%20Wars/th_smiley-tongue-out.gif" /> lmao. Well, thanks to Monad's enlightening chat with Astronomical, we can safely say its a troll. JoshSalas said: Dude. No. Why, yes. And if someone tells me to not get upset, I'll just be a good person and kick their ass. Regardless of sex. Special treatment =! equality. Difference. and blagh, even Baman. Slowly getting unmotivated here. |
LaurietMar 28, 2012 9:00 PM
astronomical said: Yea, but what do you even mean when you make silly sweeping generalizations like that? Nowhere does it say "all men" anywhere in this thread actually, except in your posts... Saying "men" is a generalization, a representation of the majority, or at least the majority that has been the most vocal in their outright objections thus far. If it's hypocritical for every man to tell a woman to stick her nose out of his ball-business just because many men in the past have done the equivalent to women, then you're holding all men today responsible for what people in the past did. I'm sure you see how silly this all is. Lauriet said: But in the few progressive (?) societies where this happens, women still also have other disadvantages, so it's pretty much evened out. Men that beat women are looked down upon just like women that sleep around are, and women might get unreasonable and unfair advantages in some areas while men get them in others.Heh. So you're saying we aren't? So when we can't defend ourselves when a woman tries to scratch our eyes out, it isn't inequality? So when the rule of law favor women in fear of being called Sexist, and we are thrown at the mercy of our peers, it isn't inequality? When a woman is given an opportunity, par equal rights, and she is given more chance then a man absed on her gender, it isn't inequality? Go to hell. |
| I don't know when this method first came out, but regardless, I think there would still be a lot to be done in regards to testing for accuracy and the after-effects. Also, this is never likely to be a big thing, especially in the U.S., because males here are way too proud of their...manliness. Why do you think guys always want to get their girlfriends on birth control? So they don't have to deal with contraceptives themselves. |
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Tachii said: Those were my thoughts exactly with the claims of perfection. There's also no way the procedure is as casual as the article described. It was obviously written by a proponent of the method. I wouldn't go through with this until there is some more research suggesting its safety, but once it's safety is proved, it would be hard for me not to pass up.zharnotczar said: A brief google seem to indicate that it's still at the clinical trial period. They would obviously have to study any long term effects because it is labeled as a treatment that can last for a decade. What I don't like about the article from the OP is that it uses rather taboo words like "perfect" or "100% effectiveness". Science do not like these words. It also seem to imply how it's a normal procedure that have been approved, when it's still at the clinical trials phase. Where careful examination of lasting effects need to be researched.Am I the first male in this thread to actually say I plan to research this and potentially go ahead with the procedure? |
astronomical said: To anyone who thinks I've been rude, I'm sorry but I'm usually this blunt even in real life, although I'm not actually sorry. lol What I got in return was a bunch of guys crying and whining about a needle to their balls every 10 years. All I saw in that was a bunch of irrational children. This is assuming that the procedure talked about in your original post's link actually is "the best birth control in the world" as the somewhat biased-sounding article claims. It hasn't even been adequately tested yet, thus rendering any and all arguments in this thread premature. Feel free to whine about people whining once this method of birth control has been scientifically proven to be worthwhile pursuing, as then your anger will carry far more weight and the dissenters' views will appear far more idiotic. |
Foggle said: astronomical said: To anyone who thinks I've been rude, I'm sorry but I'm usually this blunt even in real life, although I'm not actually sorry. lol What I got in return was a bunch of guys crying and whining about a needle to their balls every 10 years. All I saw in that was a bunch of irrational children. This is assuming that the procedure talked about in your original post's link actually is "the best birth control in the world" as the somewhat biased-sounding article claims. It hasn't even been adequately tested yet, thus rendering any and all arguments in this thread premature. Feel free to whine about people whining once this method of birth control has been scientifically proven to be worthwhile pursuing, as then your anger will carry far more weight and the dissenters' views will appear far more idiotic. Except that that's not what they were whining about. They weren't complaining about the validity or if it's really as great as it's cracked up to be (which I myself doubt, as well). They're whining about a needle in their balls once every ten years. That's literally most of what I've read. So you can't really use that argument against it. But correct me if I'm wrong. |
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ycart59 said: Except that that's not what they were whining about. They weren't complaining about the validity or if it's really as great as it's cracked up to be (which I myself doubt, as well). They're whining about a needle in their balls once every ten years. That's literally most of what I've read. So you can't really use that argument against it. I never disputed that. I understand that that's the case, and I thought I made it clear enough in my post (apparently I did not; my bad). What I meant to say is that there's no point in complaining about getting a needle in the balls or complaining about people complaining about getting a needle in the balls unless this method is proven to actually work properly, which is why the argument is premature on both sides. |
Baman said: It is a truthful representation of how a lot of the guys in this thread sound, so I don't see how that's silly... Guys need to realize the privileges they have in society even today, it's not what people did in the past. Just like racism and race inequality, sexism against woman and gender inequality still exist today. Men and more likely to get jobs than woman, and then they are more likely to get paid more, they're more likely to get political positions and most of them take advantage in this system where they're either ignorant of their privilege or are aware and use it to their advantage. Unless you are actively advocating for gender equality, you are responsible for the continuation of the inequality.Yea, but what do you even mean when you make silly sweeping generalizations like that? If it's hypocritical for every man to tell a woman to stick her nose out of his ball-business just because many men in the past have done the equivalent to women, then you're holding all men today responsible for what people in the past did. I'm sure you see how silly this all is. Baman said: It's not evened out. No where near. First of all, comparing beating people sleeping around is ridiculous. If a man beats a woman, I'm guessing he is at least a little more physically strong than her, beating someone weaker than you is wrong. Woman who abuse men should get shame too, I know there's probably a double standard for this, but I don't enforce it. Beating someone is wrong period. Now sleeping around, all consenting adults can fuck (with consent) all they want with whoever they want. The fact that woman get shamed for sleeping around is absolute bullshit. Now, please tell me we have gender equality when the majority of political positions in America and other "progressive" societies are held by men, when the majority of CEOs are men, when a man is more likely to get hired and get a higher wage in comparison to a woman with the same or better qualifications. Please tell me about how even we are.But in the few progressive (?) societies where this happens, women still also have other disadvantages, so it's pretty much evened out. Men that beat women are looked down upon just like women that sleep around are, and women might get unreasonable and unfair advantages in some areas while men get them in others. Foggle said: I never said I thought it was the best birth control, I was simply quoting the name of the article and drawing attention to the issue. What I wanted to know was why woman were expected to bear a greater burden in regards to birth control, and why more male-only options were not being used and researched. Have you not read anything I've written thus far, or maybe you just read the quote you could actually make a comeback against?This is assuming that the procedure talked about in your original post's link actually is "the best birth control in the world" as the somewhat biased-sounding article claims. It hasn't even been adequately tested yet, thus rendering any and all arguments in this thread premature. Feel free to whine about people whining once this method of birth control has been scientifically proven to be worthwhile pursuing, as then your anger will carry far more weight and the dissenters' views will appear far more idiotic. If more woman were in charge, more of this type of research would have been done and probably even tested by now, but yet again, men in their position of power get the advantage. Very few of the guys in hear actually read my question or adressed the issue I was trying to draw attention to (although a couple did quite well), all most of them did was whine and get butt hurt. |
astronomical said: I never said I thought it was the best birth control, I was simply quoting the name of the article and drawing attention to the issue. The article is what I was referring to. What I wanted to know was why woman were expected to bear a greater burden in regards to birth control, and why more male-only options were not being used and researched. Have you not read anything I've written thus far, or maybe you just read the quote you could actually make a comeback against? 1) I was not trying to make a comeback, I legitimately found your apology-but-not-really slightly humorous. 2) I can not provide an answer to your question because there is none; it's a sad situation, really. But I feel like you already knew that and were being rhetorical. I have never argued against that point of yours because it is something I agree with. 3) I have read the entire thread. 4) Try to lighten up, please. There are enough hateful posts in this topic already. Though I can understand that it's hard when others are acting like complete douchebags. If more woman were in charge, more of this type of research would have been done and probably even tested by now No doubt. Very few of the guys in hear actually read my question or adressed the issue I was trying to draw attention to (although a couple did quite well), all most of them did was whine and get butt hurt. When you make potentially inflammatory statements, people are likely to be attracted to those more than anything else. |
PunishedHametsuMar 28, 2012 11:14 PM
| Man, Foggle, you're hard to read, but fair enough. I'm glad you found something I said humorous and agreed with me on other matters in this thread, and I appreciate your civility :) |
astronomical said: Man, Foggle, you're hard to read, but fair enough. I'm glad you found something I said humorous and agreed with me on other matters in this thread, and I appreciate your civility :) I'm sorry about that... it's probably because of my rather silly first posts in this thread. It'll be easier if I just go ahead and lay all my cards out on the table. Truth be told, I can definitely see why someone would not want to go through with this procedure (I would be quite hesitant myself, as I've said), but I still think it's a good thing to consider. I would most definitely force myself to not be such a pussy and get one for myself if my girlfriend (or whoever) and I decided that it would be the best option. I think you've made a lot of good points in this thread, as have a few others, which includes both supporting statements and counter-arguments. I'd like to say that I understand where you're coming from, but I probably do not (fully) simply because I'm a guy. But as there really is no birth control method that isn't painful (in some form) for women, I feel that this is potentially a great alternative. That is, if it's proven to work. But because it hasn't been yet, I think people getting angry over this subject are being rash. And even if this argument wasn't premature, nothing can make the personal insults that have been flung at you acceptable. I know this is the internet, but I wish people would show respect for each other a little bit more. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I hope I've made myself a bit clearer now. :) |
Monad said: WTF are you even talking about? What is this great inequality? Most couples use condoms for protection anyway, condoms are the most common method of contraception, isn't the men who wear that shit? Stop being such a crybaby. The inequality is that many men will expect their girlfriend to take the pill, despite potentially harmful effects that resuting from taking hormones, while most men are dismissing this idea completely because it involves an injection through the testicles. In other words, we are expecting women to take the burden of contraception, rather than men. Condoms are fine but plenty of men dislike using them. If you are in a steady relationship with someone where both of you are faithful and don't need to worry about STDs, you are mostly concerned about not getting the girl pregnant. In these circumstances then this injection is actually a rather sensible option rather than either the pill or condoms. Given that many men will ask their girlfriends to take the pill so they don't need to use a condom (apparently it just feels better) this presents an inequality between the sexes. In short, if you are asking your girlfriend to take the pill but you are unwilling to undergo this procedure, you are potentially a misogynist. Monad said: Cry more. After seeing a little of what you write though you are right about one thing though, you ain't feminist in the sense that you love your gender, you actually hate your gender and your man hate is out of jealousy because you ain't one. You are pathetic. Also you already got a nice answer by a woman in the text below, now shut the fuck up , grow up and learn to love yourself and spare us of your antics. After reading what you have said in this and previous threads, I can confirm that in spite of what you may think, you actually have no idea what you are talking about. You do not know what feminism is and clearly have never even looked into it in any greater depth than mad people ranting on forums, who probably know as little about it as you do. You are saying the OP is jealous because she is not a man... now, could that be because men are more privelidged than women are? How can someone even be jealous of someone who is worse of than they are? Don't even answer the question. Read a book about feminism first, and then come back to me. I can recommend this one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Feminism-Beginners-Guide-Guides/dp/1851687122/ref=pd_sim_b_12 Then we can start talking about what feminism is and what it isn't. ycart59 said: There's such a negative connotation with the word feminism, like everyone that's a feminist is a crazy psycho, man-hating bitch. When really, the definition for feminism is: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. Under that definition, any woman that isn't a feminist has no self respect. I consider myself a feminist, and I think that almost all women and the majority of men would call themselves feminists too if they actually understood what the word meant and what the feminist movement is actually about. The problem is the idea that it is a movement along the lines of what you describe has managed to manifest rather successfully, and many people think there is nowhere left for feminism to go without infringing on the rights of men. This topic has clearly proven otherwise but unfortunately few men here seem to recognise it. LesleyRoberta said: Men need that feeling of manliness, that sense that they can procreate at a moments notice. They know that getting pregnant is a woman's problem, because aside from supporting babies (which plenty of men find ways of avoiding until they are forced to), they have no risks. No man ever died in child birth, they have no incentive to worry. Do you have any evidence for the claim that men feel a need to be able to procreate, or are you assuming you are some representation of all men in the world? Lauriet said: Heh. So you're saying we aren't? So when we can't defend ourselves when a woman tries to scratch our eyes out, it isn't inequality? So when the rule of law favor women in fear of being called Sexist, and we are thrown at the mercy of our peers, it isn't inequality? When a woman is given an opportunity, par equal rights, and she is given more chance then a man absed on her gender, it isn't inequality? Go to hell. I am afraid that we are definitely the ones with the most perks, even in this day and age. I am not aware of any case where a claim of self-defense has been refuted on the basis of sex. Women do not normally get accused of being sexist because in order to use sex to discriminate, you need to be in a position of power over the other person. Few women are in the position to be sexist, so it's not surprising that you see few examples of female sexism. This of course is not taking into account making sexist comments in public or other such things... these are probably rare because few men bother to report them. It would not be equal rights if someone else is given an unfair advantage over someone else, so what you are saying is a contradiction in terms. I can only think of two situations where men are at a clear disadvantage over women: 1. Parenting rights. 2. Anonymity in rape cases (this applies only under certain circumstances) |
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| Thanks Astronomical :) (for your reply to my last post). Some input, seeing as I can offer it. My wife and myself, we went 8 years of marriage before having our son. I have likely had a condom on twice in my life, and both times, I was probably just using it to see what it felt like (can't recall, it was 30+ years ago at least). I have never used one during sex. My wife was on the pill. We decided to have our first child, and it took me if I recall, 2 months of non intensive activity ie no more often than before. The main reason for being in favour of condom use, it it lessens transmission of disease, but it is a bad line of thinking to ask teens to rely on them. Teens are not a fraction as wise as they think they are (they can't routinely be reasoned with either). And a horny teen is all but brain dead for the most part (understandable, most are not as wise as they think they are, and being horny is more like a logic malfuntion in a mind not fully programmed). I have two teen nephews that became unplanned fathers. One lived in a home where condoms were stored in several places just because you teens DO have sex. Apparently they were not handy enough. One became a father because he unwisely concluded the mother couldn't possibly be untrustworthy. If both had simply turned off the source, neither would currently have mangled lives. Given what I know now of the pill and it's effect on women, I'd have gladly taken the option for men if it had been known to me. I likely suffer greater discomfort from a nick during shaving. I know the pill affects women in a lot of ways most women would gladly like to avoid. And considering how much I care for my wife, I'd gladly have removed that from her life. The monthly hell of being female is plenty already I am sure. Can't claim to have had the experience, but I have had life throw a few hells at me. Migraines yippee, frybromyalgia fucking hurrah. I know what it feels like to feel regularly miserable at least. I see some comments and I have to wonder, do they seriously I mean SERIOUSLY understand the differences in the genders? What do women do to us that is 'unfair'. Ok child support for kids they had without our consent. It happens. The mother sooooo often gets custody in divorces (not always, but sure seems like it, I DO know of dads with the kids though). Special consideration during hiring. I'm now starting to run out of ideas, and hell that's just 3 lousy excuse problems. It doesn't stack up with the list of things I could list that we have subjected females to since our species learned to keep records. I loathe our gender don't go looking to me for support guys. If I had the cash, I'd quit our gender. Every morning the same 'urge'. Maybe not all of you are as hungry, but I don't care. I hate the feeling I feel when it doesn't fire. A whiney mopey sound inside my head. Men are often emotional wimps. Yes I typed that as inclusive. I meant ALL men. I'm not afraid to brutally generalize here. What are you going to do, call me a nasty feminist bitch? Go ahead, my male side ain't typing ths ya know. I probably AM a nasty feminst bitch :) What I would give though to experience some of the greatest moments of life. Women suffer mentruation, but they also experience the creation of life. Yes I know, 9 months of all manner of hassle, but that moment you hold your child for the first time doesn't come for free. All I was allowed to do was watch. Every mother is a miracle worker. Most men rarely rise above being jerks. And I have been one too often as it is. |
Lesley_RobertaMar 29, 2012 7:49 AM
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astronomical said: Exactly. And you have no idea who does or does not do this unless you ask them. Ergo, assuming all men are hypocrites in this case is simply ridiculous, end of story. That's all I've been saying.Unless you are actively advocating for gender equality, you are responsible for the continuation of the inequality. It's not evened out. No where near. First of all, comparing beating people sleeping around is ridiculous. If a man beats a woman, I'm guessing he is at least a little more physically strong than her, beating someone weaker than you is wrong. Women who abuse men should get shame too, I know there's probably a double standard for this, but I don't enforce it. Beating someone is wrong period. Now sleeping around, all consenting adults can fuck (with consent) all they want with whoever they want. The fact that women get shamed for sleeping around is absolute bullshit. Uh, first of all, whether beating anyone is wrong or not is a matter of opinion. Either way, those were just two typical examples of stereotype gender role discrimination for both sexes, I didn't say I'd necessarily weigh these exact cases similarly. And yes, it's retarded that women should not be able to fuck around as much as men without being labelled slutty, just as it is retarded that a man would be looked down upon if he fought back against a woman. Now, please tell me we have gender equality when the majority of political positions in America and other "progressive" societies are held by men, when the majority of CEOs are men, when a man is more likely to get hired and get a higher wage in comparison to a woman with the same or better qualifications. Please tell me about how even we are. Well, in a lot of cases where you see little women in a given field, it could very well simply be because women in general don't care about entering it. And I don't know about America, but a very good number of our political elite are women, so clap your hands and stomp your feet. Of course, they're just as shitty as the men, so who cares.There are mental and behavioural differences between the sexes. Whether they are purely gender role based and thus social constructs or natural matters of evolutionary psychology, who knows. But there are differences. And to automatically assume lack of women in a given field means there is discrimination going on is a completely groundless assumption, as it might as well be based on a evolutionary trait for all we know. I mean, women tend to be given the child caring role for example, and in animals this behaviour is pretty much instinctive. And it's a proven fact that men in general are better at geometry, math and such, while women have the edge in languages and similar. Sure, there may still be some bad attitudes around when it comes to employers choosing men over women or the other way around, but so long as everyone have the same opportunities that should be enough. The reason many men, me included, get annoyed at various schemes to promote gender "equality" is that they are really just discriminating the other way. Instead of legally forcing corporations to have a set percentage of women in leading positions for example, they should instead enforce an anonymous selection process or something where only the cold hard facts and qualifications count, so sexual organs, skin colour and foreign names are left out entirely. A bit off topic but oh well. And sure, if this contraception is as magically effective as it sounds, then great, and I'm sure a lot of people would consider using it too. But I sure would need some heavy persuasion to even consider it. Lesley_Roberta said: Nah, silly gender confused old man should cut it :)Men are often emotional wimps. Yes I typed that as inclusive. I meant ALL men. I'm not afraid to brutally generalize here. What are you going to do, call me a nasty feminist bitch? |
Baman said: And yes, it's retarded that women should not be able to fuck around as much as men without being labelled slutty, just as it is retarded that a man would be looked down upon if he fought back against a woma Yes, this is why I've always done my best to use the word "slut" and "slutty" in a very positive manner. My friends know I use it as a praise by default unless otherwise stated. I've always tried to share this concept of "good slut" and "bad slut", but I won't get into that here for now. Just wanted to add a thought to that portion of your post. |
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AnnoKano said: Monad said: WTF are you even talking about? What is this great inequality? Most couples use condoms for protection anyway, condoms are the most common method of contraception, isn't the men who wear that shit? Stop being such a crybaby. The inequality is that many men will expect their girlfriend to take the pill, despite potentially harmful effects that resuting from taking hormones, while most men are dismissing this idea completely because it involves an injection through the testicles. In other words, we are expecting women to take the burden of contraception, rather than men. Condoms are fine but plenty of men dislike using them. If you are in a steady relationship with someone where both of you are faithful and don't need to worry about STDs, you are mostly concerned about not getting the girl pregnant. In these circumstances then this injection is actually a rather sensible option rather than either the pill or condoms. Given that many men will ask their girlfriends to take the pill so they don't need to use a condom (apparently it just feels better) this presents an inequality between the sexes. In short, if you are asking your girlfriend to take the pill but you are unwilling to undergo this procedure, you are potentially a misogynist. That's the biggest lot of bullshit i heard in a while. No my friend when you are "asking" you are not a misogynist. There is something called a freedom of choice you know. Whether she wants to take a pill or not is her choice in the end. If she has no wish to take one she is free to do so. She can say i don't like the method and i won't take one. Then is up to the guy to decide what he wants and if he can't accept it then he can leave. It's all compromise and whether you want or not to compromise then you are free to do so or not.How many time to i have to post this shit?: That's why the OP is annoying as fuck, not because she made a post about a contraception method, no one said the method shouldn't exist for those willing to take it, some just simply didn't want it for themself and she got all bitchy and basically from her attitude and way of talking she shows that she thinks that all men should accept it without objecting if they don't like it. Well sorry if they want to deny it they are free to do so. That's what fucking freedom is. Being a bitch about it is stupid. And i don't care if to you the word feminism is equal to something nicer, i call that bitchy attitude to such things stupid feministic shit because to me feminism isn't about equality and freedom at all. Egalitarianism is. If you want to discuss what feminsm is then go find the thread we had about feminism from a while back. AnnoKano said: You are saying the OP is jealous because she is not a man... now, could that be because men are more privelidged than women are? How can someone even be jealous of someone who is worse of than they are? Are you freaking stupid? Is right there on the text i wrote. Is not whether ether one is better or worst, is simply because she's unsatisfied with what she is. Now stop playing the white knight, you ain't gonna score a girl threw the internet. |
MonadMar 29, 2012 8:30 AM
AnnoKano said: Given that many men will ask their girlfriends to take the pill so they don't need to use a condom (apparently it just feels better) this presents an inequality between the sexes. You serious...? It presents equality that they ASK them to take the pill. It would present inequality to EXPECT them to take the pill and not even considering that there are other ways. It also wouldnt be inequality if women asked their partner to do something for contraception. Its just a favour one asks of another. If I ask a friend if he would do something for me because I dont like to do it doesnt mean we are unequal. I guess the reason why most women use the pill is because they THINK they are expected to. Every guy on this thread said that they are fine with using a condom and I doubt any civilized men would force his girlfriend to take the pill. If they do take the pill, it was their decision. If a man lets this surgery be done it was his decision. |
| The best contraception is to not do it. Funny how humans go to such extremes to have sex, and then moan about the pricing and efficacy etc... |
Baman said: ]Uh, first of all, whether beating anyone is wrong or not is a matter of opinion. Either way, those were just two typical examples of stereotype gender role discrimination for both sexes, I didn't say I'd necessarily weigh these exact cases similarly. And yes, it's retarded that women should not be able to fuck around as much as men without being labelled slutty, just as it is retarded that a man would be looked down upon if he fought back against a woman. Wait, are you saying being okay with beating someone is a valid opinion? I don't know about you guys who are out of high school, but I found the whole 'slut' thing to pretty much disappear. Sooo many girls have one night stands every weekend and no says anything or cares, just how it is in university. However, that may just be my experience. Also, I've never once heard of a case of where a man was looked down upon for defending himself against a woman. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
ycart59 said: AnnoKano said: Christ, and some people think we don't need feminism anymore... my, how naive they are. There's such a negative connotation with the word feminism, like everyone that's a feminist is a crazy psycho, man-hating bitch. When really, the definition for feminism is: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. Under that definition, any woman that isn't a feminist has no self respect. Feminism is something entirely different now. It used to be equality but modern feminists are mysandronists that think they deserve more than men. There are still some old school feminists around and they can be cool because they dont fight just for women they fight for men too. |
Monad said: I'm not quite sure where you got this shit. I'm quite happy being a woman, except the part where I have to deal with a monthly problem. Now if scientists figured out how to get rid of that and the potential for pregnancy completely for those who didn't want it, I would be the happiest person on the planet.Are you freaking stupid? Is right there on the text i wrote. Is not whether ether one is better or worst, is simply because she's unsatisfied with what she is. shiroto said: ARE YOU SERIOUS?You serious...? It presents equality that they ASK them to take the pill. It would present inequality to EXPECT them to take the pill and not even considering that there are other ways. It also wouldnt be inequality if women asked their partner to do something for contraception. Its just a favour one asks of another. If I ask a friend if he would do something for me because I dont like to do it doesnt mean we are unequal. I guess the reason why most women use the pill is because they THINK they are expected to. Every guy on this thread said that they are fine with using a condom and I doubt any civilized men would force his girlfriend to take the pill. If they do take the pill, it was their decision. If a man lets this surgery be done it was his decision. 1. Men expecting women to take birth control and face the health risk means the men don't have to face any health risks or surgeries or whatever in the same area, where both the man and the woman would be equally responsible if there was a pregnancy. Same responsibly for pregnancy, different responsibility when it comes to trying to avoid it = UNEQUAL. 2. Woman use the pill because they don't want to get pregnant. Isn't that crazy? Because if a condom breaks, it's the woman that's gonna be screwed over, not the man, so you are thinking "why should I care?" just like many other men. |
astronomicalMar 29, 2012 1:00 PM
astronomical said: ARE YOU SERIOUS? Yes, I am. astronomical said: 1. Man expecting woman to take birth control and face the health risk means the men don't have to face any health risks or surgeries or whatever in the same area, where both the man and the woman would be responsible if there was a pregnancy. Same responsibly for pregnancy, different responsibility when it comes to trying to avoid it = UNEQUAL. Like I said: We ARENT EXPECTING you to take the pill or whatever. Though I can only talk for myself, I am pretty damn sure that if a woman would say to her boyfriend that she doesnt want to take the pill then there will be like 0.1% chance that he says "Shut the fuck up, you take the pill" or something along these lines. astronomical said: 2. Woman use the pill because they don't want to get pregnant. Isn't that crazy? Because if a condom breaks, it's the woman that's gonna be screwed over, not the man, so you are thinking "why should I care?" just like many other men. That I am using a condom CLEARLY SHOWS that I care. This procedure having a 0.001% lower failure rate just doesnt cut it for me. And even at the slight chance that it does break, why do you think that it wouldnt concern me? I dont see what your fucking problem is. Both have to know the possible consequences of their actions and have to take responsibility. But its not like we can take that possibility of pregnancy off your shoulders. |
| The thing I'm most dissatisfied with is not being a woman instead of a man, it's being human, mostly due to the lack of intelligence and logic found in many of my fellow humans beings. Sometimes I like to pretend that I'm actually an alien, to save myself from feeling insulted by the stupidity of others. |
astronomical said: The thing I'm most dissatisfied with is not being a woman instead of a man, it's being human, mostly due to the lack of intelligence and logic found in many of my fellow humans beings. Sometimes I like to pretend that I'm actually an alien, to save myself from feeling insulted by the stupidity of others. lol yeah....because there is so much logic in these arguments of yours |
astronomical said: The thing I'm most dissatisfied with is not being a woman instead of a man, it's being human, mostly due to the lack of intelligence and logic found in many of my fellow humans beings. Sometimes I like to pretend that I'm actually an alien, to save myself from feeling insulted by the stupidity of others. While reading through this thread I would have to say I agree. I actually find it comical and tragic to what lengths humans go to for the sake of enjoying something that is meant for recreation purposes only. I mean people can yell all they want "sex is great blah bla blah" but in the end of the day, is all this abuse towards our bodies worth it? Surgeries? Hormonal pills? Really? Interesting thread to read btw even though it's kind of driving me crazy. |
| *reads op post* - Oh so you're a woman. Came here to say that =). |
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traed said: ycart59 said: AnnoKano said: Christ, and some people think we don't need feminism anymore... my, how naive they are. There's such a negative connotation with the word feminism, like everyone that's a feminist is a crazy psycho, man-hating bitch. When really, the definition for feminism is: The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men. Under that definition, any woman that isn't a feminist has no self respect. Feminism is something entirely different now. It used to be equality but modern feminists are mysandronists that think they deserve more than men. There are still some old school feminists around and they can be cool because they dont fight just for women they fight for men too. I really wish it wasn't, too. Believing that women deserve more than men is bullshit, and I don't understand why anyone would believe so. Assuming the same thing vice versa is also shit, but that's how it was for a long time. It's gotten a lot better, but it's still a work in progress. Just from the fact that so many women get paid less than a man does is enough to show that sexism isn't anywhere near over. In the end, I think that even crazy feminists mean well. They just want equality for their gender. They just take it way too far, especially assuming that women deserve more. I also understand where OP is coming from, although I think that everything got incredibly blown out of proportion (but so does every discussion on this forum). If a man doesn't want to get this done, then I respect their choice. Ten years is a long time. And just because you think that it would be a good idea and it would make fucking around a lot easier when you're eighteen doesn't mean that you'll think the same thing when you're 25. With more research and testing, I think that this is a great idea. Especially if it was done to, say, thirteen year old boys. It would virtually eliminate teenage pregnancy. |
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ycart59 said: With more research and testing, I think that this is a great idea. Especially if it was done to, say, thirteen year old boys. It would virtually eliminate teenage pregnancy. This is the most productive comment on this thread I have yet seen. I´d be totally down with this o_o edit: Ok, before someone jumps at me saying "But you dont want it to be done to yourself, blahblah". In contrast to a teenager, I have the means and intelligence to use the contraception of my choice. Thats all. |
| ^ Wait... you're suggesting making it compulsory? That's absurd. |
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