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Jun 4, 2008 3:59 PM
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How do you determine what an anime is or isn't? Is it a specific animation style? Must it be made in Japan? What do you think?
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If you're looking for a definition, it's not really a matter of what anyone on the forums thinks, heh.


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Japanimations.
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Wikipedia knows and might give a better answer than I would.

FYI, Anime = Animation.
It's really just cartoons from Japan. Most are based off of manga, so they try and match the art style from that onto the adaptation.
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Also, just my opinion, western cartoons tend to be mostly slice of life. Action is much tamer because they are aimed at kids. Anime doesn't really try to do that and make action intended for a wider range in audience. Thus shounen shows often end up on Adult Swim, a TV spot for mature audiences. Again, this is just me talking.
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hmm good question! I think for me its the style and that it has to be from japan, or else I wouldnt approve :p

First dont get me wrong, ofc anime chars and its history can be from different countries or coultures as long the anime is good.

Second there are many kinds of anime, but for me what realy stands out is the action and comedy part. Some animes has alot of action scence, and even some characters could die, but suddenly the anime changes and gives you the funny part. So for me thats what anime is.. Alot of fun, but could still be very serious. An example on that is D.Gray-Man which has alot of action/drama and comedy(sorry if I forgot some other generes :p) This is prolly why some animes has high age limit


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Jun 4, 2008 5:37 PM
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Well if you are using this site, its anything made in Japan with any kind of style.
Jun 4, 2008 11:26 PM
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Typically it's animation from Japan.
Jun 4, 2008 11:51 PM
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I think it's animated content from Japan. American cartoons, regardless of their style, are not anime. Neither are French or Belgian or whatever other cartoons. Unless it's animated, and originally recorded in Japanese, it's not anime.

And that last point is important. A lot of anime these days is actually animated by Korean outsource companies, but the series are still written by Japanese authors, produced by Japanese companies and voiced by Japanese people. There are also many cases of shows animated in Japan, but have French or English (or whatever) voices without a Japanese dub. So to me, an original Japanese soundtrack is the most important part.
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I think there's a big difference between anime and anime-style animation. Anime itself, IMO, is animation produced in Japan. However there some animations made outside of Japan that use similar style and could easily be confused for anime such as "Kappa Mikey" (which is an anime parody anyway) or "Avatar".



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Anime is a style of animation that originated in Japan. Anime began to get attention because many of its programs were on a different scale than American programs. I.E. had more violence/sex/ect. Also they were aimed at different ages and both genders boy and girls (sailor moon anyone).

This is based off of my opinion/general knowledge and also the wired magazine nov. 2007 issue article Manga conquers America. (very interesting and it is written in manga style too!)

Short version: I don't think anime has to come from Japan but carry a certain style and tone(for lack of a better word)
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Aug 17, 2008 10:28 PM

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If it was in Japan a few years before the U.S. then it's anime.
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Shinobigami said:
If it was in Japan a few years before the U.S. then it's anime.


you mean hundreds of years?
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In my book, Japanese animation is a term used to describe animation works born from the Japanese visual and aesthetic culture. This might not be an entirely direct relationship but exists on any level in at least an indirect form. For example, while you might not directly think "I want to make this look Japanese," years and years of exposure to Japanese visual principles that are a result of that culture will have a subconscious influence on your decisions.

Works like avatar and whatnot are borrowed forms of style. They are not born directly from Japanese aesthetic sensibilities but rather borrow from preexisting medium forms while being born from an American background.

Likewise, when a Japanese animation work born from the Japanese visual and aesthetic culture borrows from a foreign style, it still remains as anime for the same reasoning.

So, I believe that something created entirely outside of Japan can still be Japanese animation so long as at the core of it all remains a Japanese vision. If an American that truly understands and can relate to the Japanese aesthetic culture creates a work entirely within those roots, it can be a work classified as anime. It's just that we've (or atleast I've) yet to see such a case.
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Hm... a while back, I started a thread on the definitions of anime, which got mixed feelings and got me both compliments and massive flame chains... anyways, someone just ressurected it, so here you go: http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=21482

damn, how are these people able to find topics i can no longer find... i searched like, forever and i couldnt find my own thread xD
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Anime=Cartoons
Cartoons=Anime

Anybody who protests this is an idiot, and I know everyone will.Anime is just the Japanese word for cartoons.
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I was surprised to see that Aeon Flux was listed as "anime" on MAL.
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Anime is just a shortened form of an English loanword in the Japanese language for animation. In the Japanese language, stuff like Mickey Mouse is anime.

But here outside of Japan we've sort of re-loaned a loanword and used it to mean the the type of animation that is common in Japan. Mainly, the artstyle. That's why we have concepts such as "American anime" and "American manga".

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ukonkivi said:
Anime is just a shortened form of an English loanword in the Japanese language for animation. In the Japanese language, stuff like Mickey Mouse is anime.

But here outside of Japan we've sort of re-loaned a loanword and used it to mean the the type of animation that is common in Japan. Mainly, the artstyle. That's why we have concepts such as "American anime" and "American manga".


Precisely.

Technically, material such as cartoons, CG, and all animated movies (such as Toy Story) are anime regardless of what country they come from. That is the meaning of anime from the perspective of the Japanese. However, anime has come to mean something much different outside of Japan, and I believe just about everyone else explained what the term has come to mean outside of Japan very well.
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Anime=Cartoons
Cartoons=Anime

Anybody who protests this is an idiot, and I know everyone will.Anime is just the Japanese word for cartoons.


If "everyone" doesn't agree with you. Doesn't that make you wrong and there fore an idiot?
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I think country of origin doesn't matter. If it looks like anime, then it's anime. Anime has spread through out the world and is no longer limited to Japan. There is plenty of Korean anime that's on MAL to prove it. There are even American anime on the MAL database! It may have started in Japan but that doesn't mean it has to stay in Japan.
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Avatar is not an anime.. right?
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No it's not. That's why it's not listed on MAL.

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^Is quick to jump in when someone mentions Avatar
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I checked some of these NAAs and found that there are Mods that have them on their lists. I think that when it comes down to it, the administration just doesn't like Avatar.
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http://myanimelist.net/modules.php?go=faq

It's been decided long ago and afaik all staff members here agree to it. It's been put in the FAQ so that people stop to ask the damn question.

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But why single out Avatar and let others slide? You yourself have "The Last Unicorn" on your list.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Unicorn_(film)
It has absolutely nothing to do with anime. It doesn't look like anime, it has no Eastern influences, and it was never released anywhere in Asia. It was produced in America but the animation was done by a Japanese studio, and that's the only relation it has with the East
And if being animated by an Asian studio makes a show meet the criteria for MAL then Avatar passes.
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Sepyuff said:
OZ31 said:
Anime=Cartoons
Cartoons=Anime

Anybody who protests this is an idiot, and I know everyone will.Anime is just the Japanese word for cartoons.


If "everyone" doesn't agree with you. Doesn't that make you wrong and there fore an idiot?



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Avatar is not an anime.. right?


Technically it is an anime. But, as people mentioned on the first page, outside of Japan we have come to alter the meaning of the word. Not that it's a bad thing that the word has been altered, it's just the truth. I personally don't mind it, because for sites like these it helps cut back the amount of material to be covered.
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Anime are a form of cartoons created by Japanese people , yes i did call them cartoons but only to a point or generalization , since anime have a different animation style that made it separate itself from cartoons . And also another difference about anime is that they are not only made for children like cartoons are , there are a lot of anime that are not for kids .

No avatar is not an anime , it is a cartoon .

Now try and answer this to me guys :P is Cubix a cartoon or anime :))) that's a taugher one
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anime to me.robots and the drawing.

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ZinnKid said:
But why single out Avatar and let others slide? You yourself have "The Last Unicorn" on your list.
ZinnKid said:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Unicorn_(film)
It has absolutely nothing to do with anime. It doesn't look like anime, it has no Eastern influences, and it was never released anywhere in Asia. It was produced in America but the animation was done by a Japanese studio, and that's the only relation it has with the East
And if being animated by an Asian studio makes a show meet the criteria for MAL then Avatar passes.


busted? :>

im fine with avatar not being listed at anime, but then some of the other american/NAA stuff should not be listed aswell :>
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anime to me.robots and the drawing.


That's real nice.

Anime is the Japanese word used to discribe Animation.

Something like this.

http://anime_queens.tripod.com/whatisanime.html

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I know your feeling on this regarding Last Unicorn. Considering the similarities of artwork I did some research in IMDB on The Hobbit (1977), The Return Of The King (1980) and The Flight of Dragons (1982), all three of which aren't listed here, and found many of the animators for Last Unicorn (only one of which isn't Japanese, based on name) worked on the other three as well.
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I regard anime as JAPANESE animations :P

i don't watch american animations


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What counts as an Anime is when it's made in Japan and that's that, outside Japan I call it Cartoon

Form me Anime is from Japan
And Cartoon is from America and stuff
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I think this issue hasn't been resolved yet.

MAL has some cartoon-like series in the database, which contradicts the fact that anime should be japanese-made or japanese-influenced. I think this issue is the answer itself why MAL has it. The definition of anime is unclear, I guess.

Maybe, it depends on how people look at it. I only consider one as an anime depending on the art. That's my basis.

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I'd have to agree with ZinnKid. It used to mean just cartoons from Japan, but over time plenty of countries have used the style and I wouldn't hesitate to call them anime. I think anime is more so a style/genre then it is just any type of animation from Japan.


Language evolves, it doesn't hold the same constant meaning throughout time. This is just another example of that.
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Anime, by definition, is any animated show.
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Not quite sure it really matters since opinions vary greatly. My opinion here is that my definition is more strict than those here with the final say.

There are a few entries I feel don't belong here, and since I expect my ranting against them to be like screaming at a brick wall and expecting it to fall over, I just tag them with "not anime" in my list and be done with it.

BTW, I do agree with the decision about Avatar.


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I personally think otherwise. The phrase anime derives from and should simply mean animated works from Japan. Due to its origin, there are typical archetypes, art styles, and thematic elements due to Japanese culture but that might not always be the case. I like to draw off Miyazaki's works as an example. Some of Miyazaki's art can be seen as rather "western" but he is undeniably anime. Since he makes his stuff in Japan.

Conversely, I like to compare the Boondocks, by Aaron McGruder, which airs on Adult swim. The Boondocks looks a lot like an anime (possibly because McGruder is a huge anime fan), but it is not considered one because it's made in America. Madhouse Studios even collaborates with him on the fight scenes.
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Anime-> Animation -> Japanese cartoons -> period.

We say animation, in japan they say anime, because they love to make abbreviations.
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To the Japanese: Anime = Animation = Cartoons. Ex: Both Cowboy Bebop and Johnny Bravo would be considered anime.
To other audiences: Anime = A slang term for Japanese animation. Ex: Black Lagoon is considered anime while Looney Tunes is not.
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i know animated isn't japanese anime like for example Batman the Animated Series so shit no but stuff like Noozles and Maya the Bee counts as anime
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I guess it depends on what part of the planet you are on. Anime ARE cartoons but to us its specifically cartoons/animation from Japan. Some people would say its the style of art but anime (Japanese anime) has variations in itself and I would ask them to think of The Boondocks as an anime because the art is similar to some anime and that statement wouldn't hold up (I would think), because we think of anime as cartoons from Japan respectively, but the Japanese word for cartoons is anime. Granted they would probably say something like "thats an American(or foreign) Styled anime (cartoon/animation)" but in the end I think its wheither or not you live in Japan that defines what counts as an anime.
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Dr. Wik E. Pedia says, and I quote;

Anime is animation in Japan and considered to be "Japanese animation" in the rest of the world.


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Anime is a style of animation and so, it is difficult to answer your question. However, I do consider every one of these here as anime:

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Well, I seen people argue all of these points:

1. Anime is only cartoons from Japan.
2. Any cartoons made in Japan or Korea is anime.
3. Anime is cartoons from Japan plus any liveaction shows based off of those anime.
4. Any show with anime style art(even if it's from American) ex: Avatar:The Last Airbender or Kappa Mikey, are considered anime.

Personally, for me, anime must be both animated(never liveaction or liveaction mixed with animation even if it is a liveaction movie based off of an anime series) and it must come from an asian country, such as Japan, China, or Korean.

I do enjoy American anime-style cartoons, though. But they are still just cartoons.
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By definition it is Japanese animation. In the least, it must be made in Japan or by Japanese. You have the example of Afro Samurai that was made in America, but Japanese were involved in the production.

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