| Scenario: You have a lesbian girl as the MC, (How do you know she's lesbian? Well she herself claims so!) and you have a hot looking straight guy whom she has no interest in but he's totally into her. He actively peruses her, doesn't take no for an answer, invades her privacy and personal space, does not respect her boundaries, even rapes her. As the series progresses she gets used to having her personal boundaries invalidated and starts falling in love with the guy and eventually sees how much he loves her and accepts his love and they live happily ever after. Question: 1. Would you defend the guy because love is love? 2. Would you praise such a series for having bisexual representation or throw a fit for the way the relationship was depicted? |
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| not the answer you are looking for but I find your scenario so hot, I like yandere characters and over obsessive types and your story even has rape, this is peak. |
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Maou_heika said: I would defend a persistent pursue, because I think it's legit to not give up and prove one's persistence after the first rejection.1. Would you defend the guy because love is love? Maou_heika said: I would praise it for depicting such an unusual scenario and the lessons that could be learned from it.2. Would you praise such a series for having bisexual representation or throw a fit for the way the relationship was depicted? |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
| Wouldn't be reading it since it isn't bl anyway 🙄 1. Love is love |
| Sounds to me like she's suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. She's coping with the constant torture being done to her by tricking herself into believing that she loves him because she sees no way out of that situation. Maou_heika said: 1. Would you defend the guy because love is love? Nope, I wouldn't defend him. It also doesn't sound like they actually love each other deep down. The lesbian MC seems to be coping really hard with Stockholm Syndrome, while the guy character just has the hots for her but doesn't actually love her deep down. Maou_heika said: 2. Would you praise such a series for having bisexual representation or throw a fit for the way the relationship was depicted? I definitely wouldn't praise such a series for having bisexual representation. Would I throw a fit for the way the relationship was depicted? Well, if this is a BL series, then no, since I very likely wouldn't pick up this series to begin with. If this isn't a BL series, I really like the character a lot, and that character was done really dirty by the author, then depending on the details, that could potentially be another story. |
| 1. I would not defend the guy's actions. 2. I would not praise such a representation. |
| If she was a futanari and he violated her dick with his ass it would be okay... I think. I don't know if I would defend him, I don't think so... I think. I don't know what to say about the second question. |
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| Is this purely theoretical, or does such a story actually exist? |
| Cucumber ice cream is the best! |
| Reminds me of an old shoujo manga, don't know if it had an adaptation or not, which had a fairly successful run, but ended up effectively canceling the author in the Western shoujo community. |
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| Rape seems a red line but anything else if she keeps allowing him then its fine for me. I would 100% watch this. Maou_heika said: Would you defend the guy because love is love? Yes Maou_heika said: Would you praise such a series for having bisexual representation or throw a fit for the way the relationship was depicted? Yes it's very unique |
| sounds cool to me Yandere's are neat (I've finally come around to them) the sexuality part is meh but doesn't really matter |
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| I haven't seen a whole lot of BL and I prefer yuri or just straight romances though I can enjoy BL it seems and what I have seen so far I haven't seen any of that. Tasogare Out Focus did have a rapey scene but it was due to a state of delirium so it so it lacked any moral violation of accountability and he apologized anyway iirc. I am aware of the trope though but I have a feeling a lot of cases might be due to language barriers and cultural differences. Japanese has multiple words for "no" that lose their distinction of meaning when being translated just flatly as "no" especially given the contextual nature of Japanese. So it isn't necessarily rape in every case as it is one male being very assertive and the other being very coy and shyly hesitant but willing. Not everything is black and white. It would be helpful if someone from Japan would explain it or if there is some interviews with BL authors that explains their intent behind certain scenes. As for the premise, I'd watch that and judge for myself but you can dislike a character's actions and still like the character or find it arousing to watch so I don't even get what you're looking for. I mean it is just fiction viewed in the lens of fetishism anyway so it doesn't matter. GinInYourJuice said: Sounds to me like she's suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. She's coping with the constant torture being done to her by tricking herself into believing that she loves him because she sees no way out of that situation. Stockholm Syndrome is not real. It's just something that persistently is used in media. It's not in any diagnostic manual. If you read into it it's just a self defense mechanism of people kidnapped or held hostage trying to avoid being hurt or trick their captor so they can escape or otherwise just normal empathy from a more empathetic person from the time spent together able to know them. Being empathetic or having self preservation skills isn't a mental illness. |
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| 1. Would you defend the guy because love is love? No 2. Would you praise such a series for having bisexual representation or throw a fit for the way the relationship was depicted? Neither? I just don't like this sort of behavior, which is why I prefer more wholesome interactions. |
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| I'm pretty sure there are a thousand stories like that on AO3. |
| I guess this is about how (supposedly, because I don't really read them) a lot of BL stories are quite rapey. |
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| Geezus. These type of scenarios are fantasies for women. Why do you say this is food, for thought of BL fans? Like I know a lot of BL is made for women, and this is the kind of thing y'all think about apparently.... but I watch BL anime so I can see gay relationship... how about you? Merry Christmas |
| 1. Love doesn't justify anything and everything. I'd be ok with him pursuing her to some extent, as long as he wasn't overly pushy or gross about it, but rape is obviously a step too far. It's fiction, so no one is actually getting hurt, but I personally probably wouldn't enjoy a story like that. Even then though, depending on how his behavior was addressed (like it if wasn't treated as romantic or charming because he just likes her so much he can't help but be a massive creep), it could still be an engaging story. I don't think I'd want them to end up together though, unless maybe he went through a believable redemption arc and sincerely regretted how he'd treated her. It would just depend on how everything played out. People can make bad decisions and do the wrong things, and then go on to genuinely grow as a person and realize how awful they were. I might accept it if it went in that direction. 2. Maybe both? Maybe neither? Representation probably wouldn't be a big factor to me either way. Thankfully, most of these old BL stereotypes are the exception to the rule now (though even among older works when these kinds of things were more common, it was never universal). Healthy relationships and consent are the norm in more recent works from the last 15ish years or so (though "healthy" doesn't necessarily mean blissful and problem-free, just like it doesn't in straight romance stories). Obviously it would be great if things had always been this way, but better late than never, I guess. |
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Reply to traed
I haven't seen a whole lot of BL and I prefer yuri or just straight romances though I can enjoy BL it seems and what I have seen so far I haven't seen any of that. Tasogare Out Focus did have a rapey scene but it was due to a state of delirium so it so it lacked any moral violation of accountability and he apologized anyway iirc. I am aware of the trope though but I have a feeling a lot of cases might be due to language barriers and cultural differences. Japanese has multiple words for "no" that lose their distinction of meaning when being translated just flatly as "no" especially given the contextual nature of Japanese. So it isn't necessarily rape in every case as it is one male being very assertive and the other being very coy and shyly hesitant but willing. Not everything is black and white. It would be helpful if someone from Japan would explain it or if there is some interviews with BL authors that explains their intent behind certain scenes.
As for the premise, I'd watch that and judge for myself but you can dislike a character's actions and still like the character or find it arousing to watch so I don't even get what you're looking for. I mean it is just fiction viewed in the lens of fetishism anyway so it doesn't matter.
Stockholm Syndrome is not real. It's just something that persistently is used in media. It's not in any diagnostic manual. If you read into it it's just a self defense mechanism of people kidnapped or held hostage trying to avoid being hurt or trick their captor so they can escape or otherwise just normal empathy from a more empathetic person from the time spent together able to know them. Being empathetic or having self preservation skills isn't a mental illness.
As for the premise, I'd watch that and judge for myself but you can dislike a character's actions and still like the character or find it arousing to watch so I don't even get what you're looking for. I mean it is just fiction viewed in the lens of fetishism anyway so it doesn't matter.
GinInYourJuice said:
Sounds to me like she's suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. She's coping with the constant torture being done to her by tricking herself into believing that she loves him because she sees no way out of that situation.
Sounds to me like she's suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. She's coping with the constant torture being done to her by tricking herself into believing that she loves him because she sees no way out of that situation.
Stockholm Syndrome is not real. It's just something that persistently is used in media. It's not in any diagnostic manual. If you read into it it's just a self defense mechanism of people kidnapped or held hostage trying to avoid being hurt or trick their captor so they can escape or otherwise just normal empathy from a more empathetic person from the time spent together able to know them. Being empathetic or having self preservation skills isn't a mental illness.
| @traed traed said: Stockholm Syndrome is not real. It's just something that persistently is used in media. It's not in any diagnostic manual. If you read into it it's just a self defense mechanism of people kidnapped or held hostage trying to avoid being hurt or trick their captor so they can escape or otherwise just normal empathy from a more empathetic person from the time spent together able to know them. Being empathetic or having self preservation skills isn't a mental illness. Yeah, it isn't officially classified as a mental illness, but I also highly doubt that there's never been anyone in the past who's sided with their captors or abusers. There are bound to be at least a good number of people who would feel inclined to do what they have to do in order to maintain the last bit of sanity that they have left and/or to increase their chances of escape, even if their chances are increased by just by a little. |
Reply to Absurdo_N
If she was a futanari and he violated her dick with his ass it would be okay... I think.
I don't know if I would defend him, I don't think so... I think.
I don't know what to say about the second question.
I don't know if I would defend him, I don't think so... I think.
I don't know what to say about the second question.
| @Absurdo_N But in BL the top is always the aggressor. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Reply to Lucifrost
@Absurdo_N
But in BL the top is always the aggressor.
But in BL the top is always the aggressor.
| @Lucifrost It's not always like that, perverted harassing ukes exist. |
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