| Warning: Spoilers ahead So in the movie, Honoka meets with a Japanese woman who was basking on the streets of NYC. Well the question is, who is she exactly? She has the same eyes and hair color as Honoka, as well as a similar background to her. My own theory is that the woman is Honoka in the future, but she's not actually there, just a pigment of Honoka's imagination. None of the other members else sees her and she understands Honoka's problems completely. Although i can't explain how actual Honoka gets the microphone bag, or how a crowd cheers for the woman after her performance. Of course, it could just be a random woman who resembles Honoka etc, but I don't think so. What do you guys think? |
| Honoka is a time traveler, the movie takes place in a world where idols are successful because other honoka time traveled to fix things after she failed as an idol. totally obvious, thus love live becomes a story about complex time traveling school idols |
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| it's her daughter! LOL She got married with A MAN. |
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| I was expecting it to be maki's onee san or sumthin |
| It WAS adult Honoka, they pretty much gave that fact away when she told her she could fly. But at the same time she was only a metaphor used to reflect on Honoka's final decision. She actually WASN'T there and time-travelling theory is really way off. |
| imo she was a future version of Honoka , she's not a time traveller or anything , she was just a personification of Honoka's doubts , Inner thoughts and feelings . As "Mich666" said the scene when she told Honoka she could fly made it pretty obvious What made it even more obvious to me is the scene right before that , when Honoka's thinking about µ's and what Tsubasa told her and just when she doesn't know what to think anymore , here she is and when Honoka finally notices her , she's almost reached the end of her song so there's no way she'd have noticed her just now . and last she has the same Airhead personality as Honoka |
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lucidbrandon said: Honoka is a time traveler, the movie takes place in a world where idols are successful because other honoka time traveled to fix things after she failed as an idol. totally obvious, thus love live becomes a story about complex time traveling school idols Fuck steins;Gate, Love Live is the real deal lol idk I dont think it was adult Honoka or something her mind made off since she keep the microphone the woman give her I think it was just a random woman who resemble to her to make her decide the right decision, i dont think there's anything more complex than that. Imeon said: it's her daughter! LOL She got married with A MAN. I agree Tsubasa is a bit tomboy but i wouldn't go as far as calling her a man. |
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| I think it was future Honoka. She also said that she could fly 'like that time'. As if some stranger would know about 'that time'. (referring to child Honoka jumping over the water of course) And no one else could see her and she didn't want to go in Honoka's house because she can't. ;p Also...somewhere I saw fan art of someone who drew a future Honoka and it looked pretty much the same as the movie one o__o |
| It's future Honoka but it was really vague to me. At first I thought it was a HonoMaki fusion lmao. We never got her name so we can assume it's someone we already know. |
| The moment she opened her eyes I was like, "..... it's Honoka's long lost twin." I also thought it was interesting that no one questioned the big purple mic case that Honoka was carrying when she found her way back to the hotel. Then when she randomly appeared singing back in Japan, I thought immediately that she wasn't real, then my suspicion was proven moments later. It was really just Honoka's consciousness giving herself a pep talk. But.... the first encounter could have been legit and the second encounter was Honoka hallucinating thinking about what that woman had said. My reasoning for that is the crowd that was shown gathered, and the fact that Honoka couldn't even copy the name of the hotel properly when it was right in front of her, so I doubt her sub-conscious would be able to lead her back. Although the woman's disappearance, the neglect of the mic case from the others, and the fact we didn't get a name is suspicious. Well played I say. (There isn't even a voice actor listed, was it Emi Nitta?) |
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It's remarkable how similar she looks now that I think about it: I guess just like Gundam had Newtypes in addition to mechas, maybe Love Live! has (at least two) time-travelling idols (remember the Maki OVA?). BlurredVision18 said: (There isn't even a voice actor listed, was it Emi Nitta?) It's Minami Takayama, best known as the voice of Conan Edogawa. Nitta does have a much richer singing voice, but it doesn't sound anything like Takayama's in the movie (and I think her English pronunciation is better). Make what you will of that. |
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| Pretty sure her name is Plot, surname being Device. |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
YukhioAihara said: imo she was a future version of Honoka , she's not a time traveller or anything , she was just a personification of Honoka's doubts , Inner thoughts and feelings . As "Mich666" said the scene when she told Honoka she could fly made it pretty obvious What made it even more obvious to me is the scene right before that , when Honoka's thinking about µ's and what Tsubasa told her and just when she doesn't know what to think anymore , here she is and when Honoka finally notices her , she's almost reached the end of her song so there's no way she'd have noticed her just now . and last she has the same Airhead personality as Honoka This. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| Honoka meets her 2 times in the movie. Which happen to be some of my favorite parts in the movie. 1st in New York on the streets singing with people in front of her. The 2nd time is on the streets back in Japan singing in front of the mini mart with no one watching. But then Honoka closes her eyes and wakes up in bed. It's possible she could be a grown up "inner Honoka" making the people watching the first time a figment of her imagination as well. Or a "guardian angel" that was watching over her. She was lost and scared in New York by herself until she heard the mysterious woman singing. |
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| Okay so I just figure this out. Credits to what I was reading on Love Live! Wikia and The Muses: Greek mythology - Wikipedia. In Greek mythology there are 9 muses all female that represent the arts, dance, and culture. Kind of a fitting name now that you think about it for the girls of Love Live! Muse Domain Emblem Calliope -Epic poetry -Writing tablet, Stylus, Lyre Clio -History -Scrolls, Books, Cornet, Laurel wreath Euterpe -Music, Song, and Elegiac Poetry -Aulos (an ancient Greek musical instrument like a flute), panpipes, laurel wreath Erato -Lyric poetry -Cithara (an ancient Greek musical instrument in the lyre family) Melpomene -Tragedy -Tragic mask, Sword (or any kind of blade), Club, Kothornos (boots) Polyhymnia -Hymns -Veil, Grapes (referring to her as an agricultural goddess) Terpsichore -Dance -Lyre, Plectrum Thalia -Comedy -Comic mask, Shepherd's crook (the vaudeville act of pulling someone off the stage with a hook is a reference to Thalia's crook), Ivy wreath Urania -Astronomy -Globe and compass If the mysterious woman was a goddess or "Muse" then she could appear to Honoka in any form and would probably know about Honoka's childhood. Or at least be able to read her thoughts or see her past like a psychic. And would be able to be n New York and Japan right when Honoka needed her the most. Something to think about? ^_^ |
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Infatuate said: Pretty sure her name is Plot, surname being Device. No no no, her first name is Deus, middle name Ex, last name Machina. |
GenocyberDec 22, 2015 9:00 PM
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| Yeah I'm assuming it's Honoka pulling a future Trunks. Thought it was Maki at first lol |
| If the woman is indeed Honoka imagining herself as an adult, that means the reason why she decided to go with disbanding Muse was because she foresaw herself becoming some noname street artist in the future lol lucidbrandon said: And the reason why Homura can't defeat Walpurgis Night without Madoka's help is because Honoka kept messing with the timelines and only Madoka is more moe than Honoka! Therefore Walpurgis Night is actually Honoka from an alternate timeline! Honoka is a time traveler, the movie takes place in a world where idols are successful because other honoka time traveled to fix things after she failed as an idol. totally obvious, thus love live becomes a story about complex time traveling school idols /Madoka Magica plot explained |
| Either it's a random woman(for smoothing the plot) or Honoka turned Psychopath after getting lost in America and everything that happened from then was all her happy dreams but in reality she got in trouble in America making her that way. |
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| I don't have any theories myself. I would hate if it was time travel and would be disappointed if she's just random. Maybe Love Live Sunshine could have a part where it reveals who she is? Adding in fun stuff like that would make sunshine a lot more appealing. |
| What I think about mysterious girl is that she was real person. Proof is that Honoka received a microphone from her. She met her only one time, in NY, where they talked and Honoka saw her future self in the girl. The second time they "met" it was in her dream where she envisioned the girl as herself, trying to find a solution to her problem. That's my theory. |
AndyWorck said: What I think about mysterious girl is that she was real person. Proof is that Honoka received a microphone from her. She met her only one time, in NY, where they talked and Honoka saw her future self in the girl. The second time they "met" it was in her dream where she envisioned the girl as herself, trying to find a solution to her problem. That's my theory. Straight up, this cat knows it. When Honoka met the girl in NY, she wasn't a figment, or future anything, she was entertaining a crowd, and she led a completely lost Honoka back to her hotel that she couldn't even remember the name of, much less where it was. Plus she left behind the mic. The second time, she shows up right when Honoka needs her, and is mostly through singing her song, like she was there for a while but Honoka didn't notice. That, coupled with her knowing a bit about Honoka's past makes her appearance there way more sketchy and surreal, so obviously she was just a figment that time. But i don't think she's a future Honoka, figment or otherwise, yeah same eye color but the hair color is different. |
AndyWorck said: That's it. First time, she was real. The second time, not so much. The entire second time might have just been a dream.What I think about mysterious girl is that she was real person. Proof is that Honoka received a microphone from her. She met her only one time, in NY, where they talked and Honoka saw her future self in the girl. The second time they "met" it was in her dream where she envisioned the girl as herself, trying to find a solution to her problem. That's my theory. |
| She's Honoka's long separated sister. This explains everything. She's real and knows Honoka's childhood. |
Sorry for my bad English. |
Homuranagi said: lucidbrandon said: And the reason why Homura can't defeat Walpurgis Night without Madoka's help is because Honoka kept messing with the timelines and only Madoka is more moe than Honoka! Therefore Walpurgis Night is actually Honoka from an alternate timeline! Honoka is a time traveler, the movie takes place in a world where idols are successful because other honoka time traveled to fix things after she failed as an idol. totally obvious, thus love live becomes a story about complex time traveling school idols /Madoka Magica plot explained I was about to suggest Honoka being Love Live's version of Kang the Conqueror, but nah, this one's much better! |
"Fortress Maximus has come himself. Okay! Then I shall get Fortress Maximus to fight me, huh huh huh!" |
| It's the AV actress from the false Emi Nitta porno, obviously |
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
| Finally see this. I see people saying time travel and and personification and many theories. But why did no one say yet? |
| Yeah, she's a pigment. It isn't cell animated so there wouldn't normally be dark lines around the characters, but if you look really closely you'll notice that she made entirely of colours and contains no black, proving that she is only pigment. You have pretty good English other than this mistake. I think you meant "figment" which is used in that phrase. Pigment doesn't have a red line under it because it's a real word even though it isn't grammatically correct in that sentence. I guess I saw the movie seven months ago now (god, I thought it was less than that. How time flies), but I'm kinda surprised that I have no idea who you're talking about. Just for fun, I'll push it a step further and say that the woman was actually Honoka's daughter who, being born in 2030, had access to time travel technology at the age we see her at in the movie and used it to go back in time to the point at which her mother was still a young idol on her last tour to tell her whatever she told her. |
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| You guys are missing the big picture. Honoka's slip during the opening scene left her comatose, and everything since season 1 has been her dream. The mysterious lady is a mere creation within Honoka's dream. The most obvious confirmation of this is when Muse arrives back in Japan and literally says this in conversation. |
| Guys, She turned psycho after getting lost in america. All of this is just her delusion she is still wandering around. |
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| I think it was indeed a future version of Honoka, the woman is too similar in both mannerisms ( the extreme forgetfulness, cheery attitude, making the exact same expression with the tongue sticking out like "Whoops!" ), in how much she knows of the details inside the hotel which would be too fancy for a nobody street performer like her to afford staying at which could only suggest having actually slept there at some previous distant point in time when she had more funds, and in her past history, the first time we meet her in NYC she also seems to know exactly how to handle and guide her younger self, I don't know how else to describe it but it just feels like she knows exactly what she's doing and who she's talking to the entire time she's with Honoka. She's also pretty elusive and tells Honoka things like "If you don't understand now then that's fine too." when giving advice on how to handle a group break up, it's too uncanny to be a total stranger, her physical similarity aside. If the Maki OVA proved anything it's that Nozomi is right about the spiritual and powers that can't be understood existing in LL!, so I from that perspective I wouldn't be surprised if either that woman time traveled or a divine being(s) placed her there, or even if it was an instance of timelines merging, and of course the second time Honoka sees the woman it's either all in her head of her own will or that same higher power could be showing this image of who she will become to encourage her with all the gained knowledge from her past Could also be that somewhere Honoka dropped a ton of acid and this entire trip is a hallucination lol Writing wise however, she was definitely a plot device I agree there |
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| Finally watched it... sorry, but that was pretty bad. Lip sync is all over the place, the CG is still completely ugly, the random songs at the slightest opportunity were bad. At least Nico was slightly less annoying, I guess. And I still ended up enjoying it, somehow. |
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| NO~! It's Honoka from Love Live Season 29. |
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| Old post but whatever....Okay so I believe that Honoka really does have the power to time travel, im not joking. Remember that episode where Honoka was on the rooftop floor and she HEARD behind the door her past self, Umi and Kotori practicing on the roof which was the first day of practice for their first performance? She unconsciously traveled to the past and back, even myself was confused watching that ep Im like: " Was that some kind of symbolism or just plain time travel?". I shrugged at the latter thinking "this is a school idol anime not effing steins gate", but then i watched the movie and then that character appeared. My mind blew like never before because that was so unexpected, this is a school idol anime, BUT THE MC IS SECRETLY A CUTE TIME TRAVELLER!!! None can defeat that kind of plot twist not even death note cause it was so out of the box yet the pieces and the foreshadowing were there just hidden so well. And maybe the Honoka jumping scenes are references to "The Girl Who Leapt Through Time" idk. To summarize, present time Honoka already possess time travel ability but never knew but used it unconcsiously, while future Honoka knew and used it to travel to the past and....i dont know. To fix the future so theyll be muse forever? Or to prepare present honoka for the inevitable future? How she possesses such an ability? Will never be explained. I also like the theory that Honoka is like Haruhi, it explains a lot of the things that were impossible to achieve normally, like how they beat A rise and that Sunny Day performance. |
1carusApr 22, 2018 3:29 PM
| I didn't put a lot of thought into who the lady was. But she was in a sad state, living a lonely life in NYC singing on street corners. They didn't show the pitiful jar or hat people leave out to collect change and small dollar bills. People in NYC rarely occupy corners for passion alone. All the girls should have gone pro together like Arise, then retired after a few years and formed happy, wealthy families with their riches. It's unusual seeing anime take place in America and I don't like it. They belong in Japan. |
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lucidbrandon said: Is this Love;Live 0? Honoka is a time traveler, the movie takes place in a world where idols are successful because other honoka time traveled to fix things after she failed as an idol. totally obvious, thus love live becomes a story about complex time traveling school idols |
| Old topic but i will give my opinion IMO she is just honoka imagination. when honoka meet her for the first time there's no somebody there, the audience is also her imagination. And also the mic that honoka bring is not real, you can see at airport scene she just bring a suitcase and didn't bring the purple mic case  And where is that yellow thing, she didn't pick it up at the train  |
JamesWeebsApr 18, 2020 5:11 PM
| It's her from the future she even gets surprised and says 'I left it' and says she left the microphone case before Honoka says it's right there with them. This is future honoka remembering that when she met her future self as a child the future self left that microphone case, so she was just remembering that she also has to do that. The fact that a child honoka shows up in Sunshine helps further prove this, as either a future honoka child or child honoka herself time traveling to give Aqours inspiration. Either that or Honoka was never real and is instead an idea, not a person, the idea of school idols itself. |
| LOL, your opinion is wrong! |
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