| I've been waiting for this movie for a decade... from the moment Rebellion waited. Every single day I waited for news. Now, that the trailer is out, it hit me. Back in 2013, when this movie launched, Shaft was one of the most innovative studios out there. It was in top 3 best animation studios with Ufotable and KyoAni. I still remember when Bakemonogatari aired in 2009. It feelt so different. The art was so crisp, so consistent, and it felt so modern compared to everything else, then Madokka happened, Ufotable launched Fate, and from then we had it good, the industry was pushed ahead. But those days, Shaft is a shell of its former self. Is been 8 years since I've been excited by anything they make, and those days, they feel like mid-rage studio. They stopped innovating or pushing the limits, hell, they even stopped improving, they just to standard animation to the standards that were acceptable... those days you could literally watch an anime and have no idea is made by Shaft. Is sad to see how much they fell, and this makes me worried for this movie. I heard that the script for this was done in 2014, which piss me off to no end. They delayed it until they became irrelevant. The trailer doesn't give me a lot of confidence. The art looks just... acceptable, but below the last movie. I am hoping that this is just something they had to do in a hurry, and is not relevant for the quality of the final product. |
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| From what I heard, there was quite a drama within SHAFT after Fate/Extra fiasco and it resulted in several key staff members leaving. But for this movie all of the original staff is returning, so I'm pretty sure we'll get the quality we once had. Spinoff had mostly different staff, which is why it was bad. |
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| It's quite subjective... but how exactly is art below the last movie? Shaft has always been a studio with high highs and low lows when it comes to animation. The art and animation style has changed (for good) over the overs with in-house talents rising (Hiroto Nagata and Kazuki Kawata to name a few). People would just term recent adaptations by Shaft as mediocre and trash, but that's not necessary flaw with their capacity to animate. Magia Record, Assault Lily has some eye candy animation, which according to me is at par or even surpasses their previous works at some instances. These shows might have bad direction, cheap plot, but I see them as works to make money and train new Staff. If Shaft wanted, they could ruin Madoka Magica Movie by releasing it with little staff they had back in 2019. But you'll see since 2019, they haven't picked their big titles even when they have enough material to adapt. Magia Record was pure marketing material for game, while other stuff being highly experimental, which could either become the next thing or just fail, but still make money. But none of the stuff was low effort. Now they are back again, with their best staff having worked on Madoka Magica Movie. 5-toubun no Hanayome∽ is great example what Shaft can do when they have enough time to work on something. For their recent animation, check out https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=kazuki_kawata https://www.sakugabooru.com/post?tags=hiroto_nagata |
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| I think with all the people involved it gotta be a solid production. From what I saw from the trailer it looked very good. |
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| I have hope. What caused Shaft to go downhill was an exodus of talent. From everything I gathered, all the creative leads that worked on Madoka have returned for this. |
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| I don't think the animation quality has decreased at all, it only looks a bit different because the current animation character designer (Junichiro Taniguchi) is a change from the original TV series (that had Takahiro Kishida). Also, time passing has affected aesthetics and this has resulted in some artstyle changes, but I don't think we have any indication of a decrease in animation quality so far. We still would need to wait for more trailers to drop, and maybe some more detailed info on the staff and the animators working on this, to really judge the animation fairly. Talent has left the studio, but there's a lot of great and talented directors and storyboard artists still working with the studio. Thankfully, Yukihiro Miyamoto, the original director of the series, is still working there, and will direct this movie. Genichirou Abe, one of their best animators that has worked in the Madoka franchise before, is still at Shaft. Also, many animators are freelance artists that may collaborate with productions without being part of the studio, and Shaft works semi-regularly with great freelance artists like Yasuomi Umetsu and Akio Watanabe, even going to some of their most recent productions (Umetsu has worked with Shaft as recently as the last Gotoubun). As a sidenote, Shaft has had the example before of a movie release largely outdoing their concurrent TV productions (Kizumonogatari), and basically "monopolizing" the best team of directors, storyboard artists and animators from the studio while TV productions are given less attention. At the same time, they've had disappointments and less spectacular films (like Uchiage Hanabi), but that seems unlikely to be the case for this, as the closest example from the studio in terms of scale, as well as levels of expectation and time that has been dedicated to its production, is undoubtedly Kizumonogatari over anything else. |
JavvyF61 said: Piromysl said: From what I heard, there was quite a drama within SHAFT after Fate/Extra fiasco and it resulted in several key staff members leaving. But for this movie all of the original staff is returning, so I'm pretty sure we'll get the quality we once had. Spinoff had mostly different staff, which is why it was bad. YOU DARE CALL MAGIA BAD? Yeah, it was hot garbage. |
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It's not an opinion tho. |
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| Shaft has it, who knows about Urobutcher. |
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Not really. 2-1 for us.
| @RopeBuny now it's 2-2, it's a tie. |
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salarx said:
@RopeBuny now it's 2-2, it's a tie.
@RopeBuny now it's 2-2, it's a tie.
Make that 1-3 right away.
| @RopeBuny noooo I won't ler you have it. |
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| Well if the original staff is coming back as said in the thread Im 75% sure it'll be just as bad as the rest of the franchise was when it first came out over a decade ago But who knows though, Steins Gate Zero was pretty good yet still lots of Steins Gate fans didn't like it so perhaps people won't enjoy something they've hyped up for years in their head despite near similar quality I mean we could also have a Force Awakens/Last Jedi moment here were the previous movie didn't have any actual thought out ideas so the next movie ends up being bad and highlighting how bad the previous movie really was |
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| Shaft is indeed a shadow of what they once were and were capable of outputting, I never searched why this happen, but people are saying there was a bit exodus of talent from it... if they are all coming back, to work on this movie, then Shaft has what it takes. That said, if that script was done since 2014, why did we not get a sequel sooner, and before all the talent gone away?? |
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| Atleast it's not delayed as much as the final Evangelion movie... |
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