TheBrainintheJar said: It's not exactly a bad thing if the protag is bland because usually that means they're inoffensive and I won't hate them. I tend to like more amoral ones, though, that would probably be the villains of another story.KaoruMatsuoka said: I have the philosophy that the hero makes the story but the villain breaks it. The bad guy has to be the most interesting person in the show because he's the driving force behind the conflict. Why is he or she doing immoral things? What motive do they have to cause conflict? A good villain lets you find out these things as the story goes along, and often I tend to root for them. Meanwhile, the hero gets by due to the fact that the villain's actions motivate him or her. If the villain of a story is unbelievable or uncomfortably written, I'm definitely not going to like the story. I think it's a little sad that in many places, the villain creates the story. It speaks volume about the protagonist, how they're end up being fairly uninteresting. And yes I tend to root for whoever I find more interesting. |
KaoruMatsuoka said: TheBrainintheJar said: It's not exactly a bad thing if the protag is bland because usually that means they're inoffensive and I won't hate them. I tend to like more amoral ones, though, that would probably be the villains of another story.I think it's a little sad that in many places, the villain creates the story. It speaks volume about the protagonist, how they're end up being fairly uninteresting. And yes I tend to root for whoever I find more interesting. It's reasonable to root for the most interesting. Interesting characters aren't bland, since humans aren't bland but weird. The interesting characters resemble us the most. Bland characters are just strings the creators use to manipulate the story. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: Or they're used to self-insert, which is the most common reason characters are bland these days.KaoruMatsuoka said: It's not exactly a bad thing if the protag is bland because usually that means they're inoffensive and I won't hate them. I tend to like more amoral ones, though, that would probably be the villains of another story. And yes I tend to root for whoever I find more interesting. It's reasonable to root for the most interesting. Interesting characters aren't bland, since humans aren't bland but weird. The interesting characters resemble us the most. Bland characters are just strings the creators use to manipulate the story. |
Zefyris said: Holy shit... What do you do when there's no villain though. Look at non non biyori. What's important is the nyanpasu quality(and the countryside), not the villain. So Nyanpasu (loli)>countryside (real MC of non non biyori)> non existent antagonist. So I vote loli. QED. This is the most enlightening post I've ever come across. Thank you, Zefyris-sama. |
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KaoruMatsuoka said: TheBrainintheJar said: Or they're used to self-insert, which is the most common reason characters are bland these days.It's reasonable to root for the most interesting. Interesting characters aren't bland, since humans aren't bland but weird. The interesting characters resemble us the most. Bland characters are just strings the creators use to manipulate the story. I will never understand how anyone can enjoy self-insert characters. The dullness is strong. |
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You can still be grey morality and a hero or villain at the same time. Look at Hunter x Hunter. Probably the two most major fights of the series are between a grey morality hero and a grey morality villain. |
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Gator said: Obviously the hero since we'll be spending a lot more time with him/her than with the villain. This basically sums it up right here. |
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FloatingIdiot said: You can still be grey morality and a hero or villain at the same time. Look at Hunter x Hunter. Probably the two most major fights of the series are between a grey morality hero and a grey morality villain. True. 'Grey morality' doesn't mean no heroes and villains. It means we get to understand the villain, that he's more than someone to defeat. |
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| I think, that for a certain anime, the most important character (be it a hero or villain) is the one who sets the plot in motion, if it is a character-motivated plot, or the one where the plot revolves or emphasizes or develops the most, if it is a story-driven plot and characters aretools for advancing the plot. Heroes and villains have the ability to play such role, so it really depends. But I think for most anime, heroes more often than not sets the plot in motion with some motivation in mind, and it is in heroes' perspectives that the plot is being largely developed, so it seems that anime developers mostly consider heroes as a more important plot of the series. |
A retard is trying to prove his point, thanks. |
| Imo, the hero of course. You gonna spend lots of time watching this guy and if he is empty and featureless i don't think it would be intresting to watch the show at all |
| I vote villain. Without an awesome and extraordinary villain there would not be an amazing hero. |
| I say hero because there are many shows where there aren't any villains just wild beasts/monsters that the MC has to stop. |
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KazuyaKujo said: I say hero because there are many shows where there aren't any villains just wild beasts/monsters that the MC has to stop. Really? Which ones? I haven't seen any of these. |
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| You didn't add the option- Anti-hero. The anti-hero is way more interesting than a villain. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: KazuyaKujo said: I say hero because there are many shows where there aren't any villains just wild beasts/monsters that the MC has to stop. Really? Which ones? I haven't seen any of these. Shingeki has no clear villain except for the Titans. Same goes for God Eater and Black Bullet. |
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| Without a villain there is nothing for a hero to do. And no u can't explain that away with romance genre bcuz romancing girls don't make u a hero. It is important that people realize protagonist and hero aren't synonymous terms, and there are plenty of shows where there is no hero. Even a person being just "not bad" or trying to survive doesn't make them a hero. I like lolis alot but i wanted to vote seriously on this. I'm actually fine with less lolis in shows as long as they stay in hentai. |
Tenshi_Shura said: Shingeki has no clear villain except for the Titans. Same goes for God Eater and Black Bullet. Oh, you're right. I missed that. Digimon Tamers also has something similar in the ending. Both of these shows have highly developed heroes though. |
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TheBrainintheJar said: KazuyaKujo said: I say hero because there are many shows where there aren't any villains just wild beasts/monsters that the MC has to stop. Really? Which ones? I haven't seen any of these. Chrome Shelled Regios - contaminoids Sidonia no Kishi S1- Gauna (S2 just started i haven't checked it out yet what Tenshi_Shura said and Tamers had a sad ending too :[ poor leomon |
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