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| Meh I don't know.. I can't seem to get sad or attached to any character of a 1-cour anime.. Even tho the events might be sad, I haven't felt affected at all while watching them. That doesn't make this episode bad, but my emotions were pretty neutral through out the 20 minutes. |
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Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? I'd try to listen and understand. |
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parfaited said: Marow said: They all go "woo woo Ledo stop it" despite him saying it's the enemy of humanity. It's like they don't care. I didn't want anyone to die, now I'm hoping the Hideauze do actually kill the lot of them. That's what they get for not listening. Granted that life on Gargantia moves differently from what Ledo is used to but they aren't even taking an ounce of precaution. Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? If my goldfish were the size of a whale i'd be inclined to listen. And blackmailing you. I'd be pretty concerned by then. |
Colascka said: Marow said: Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? I'd try to listen and understand. Yeah right, now you`re talking. Sorry if its sounds rude and my grammar sounds bad, but its not working like that. In fact every normal person would react WTF man? How can my fishes be threat to anyone, I live with them in symbiosis and they didn`t try hurt me or anybody so far. Disbelive goes first. I knew that people will start complainin about characters. From last episode there was Ridget, now is Amy cause she cry for Ledo, who is all alone there and not for Melty, who seem to be rather enjoyed about it, plus she will be there with her grandpa, so not so lonely. Of course Amy was sad, but Melty lightened the mood, trying to change the subject on handsome boys. Also I think the pain from losing person, who you loved is greater than losing a friend (well , at least in my experience. I`ve always had feeling that we may see eachother someday with my friends, although to be separate from love I rather feel that we will never meet again and every moment whitout that person was like an years :'D). Sorry about my bad grammar, but I hope u will understand :'). If they didn't try to hurt them ever then why do the people FEAR harming them. There had to have been an incident when they tried to harm or accidentally killed one and the rebuttal had to have been terrible if they became a sacred beast. |
parfaited said: Marow said: They all go "woo woo Ledo stop it" despite him saying it's the enemy of humanity. It's like they don't care. I didn't want anyone to die, now I'm hoping the Hideauze do actually kill the lot of them. That's what they get for not listening. Granted that life on Gargantia moves differently from what Ledo is used to but they aren't even taking an ounce of precaution. Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? If my goldfish were the size of a whale i'd be inclined to listen. So what you are saying is... we should hunt down all elephants, whales, dolphins, squids, hippos and other animals of that size then? Because despite co-habituating for gods know how long, some weirdo's from outer space words hold far more value than our entire history? Darklight0303 said: Colascka said: Marow said: Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? I'd try to listen and understand. Yeah right, now you`re talking. Sorry if its sounds rude and my grammar sounds bad, but its not working like that. In fact every normal person would react WTF man? How can my fishes be threat to anyone, I live with them in symbiosis and they didn`t try hurt me or anybody so far. Disbelive goes first. I knew that people will start complainin about characters. From last episode there was Ridget, now is Amy cause she cry for Ledo, who is all alone there and not for Melty, who seem to be rather enjoyed about it, plus she will be there with her grandpa, so not so lonely. Of course Amy was sad, but Melty lightened the mood, trying to change the subject on handsome boys. Also I think the pain from losing person, who you loved is greater than losing a friend (well , at least in my experience. I`ve always had feeling that we may see eachother someday with my friends, although to be separate from love I rather feel that we will never meet again and every moment whitout that person was like an years :'D). Sorry about my bad grammar, but I hope u will understand :'). If they didn't try to hurt them ever then why do the people FEAR harming them. There had to have been an incident when they tried to harm or accidentally killed one and the rebuttal had to have been terrible if they became a sacred beast. In hinduism, cows are holy. Go figure. Also yes, every life form in the world has a defensive mechanism. And there are tribes and societies who worship various animals for various reasons. Why? because human rationalisation, that's why. For everything and anything, whalesquids are no more dangerous than sharks, bears, wolves...or humans. |
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| such a sad episode.. still really good i hope things turn out to be happier next episode |
| Ah finally the fated death, even though UroButcher isn't writing much of this I'm not surprised, it was really sad too. The fracturing of the fleet followed and the drama was rather well done. I know what they will find under sea as I saw the art from the official site, I wonder what it all means though, is it an ancient civilization like Atlantis from myths? Looking forward to the next episode anyway and Amy was so cute as always 4/5 |
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AlexGK said: It fails at storytelling, that's my point. Its nothing even near plausible. Here is the example from this episode. Ridget to be the new captain, what a joke. 22 years old, and so far acting like absolute moron. Sorry, not buying it. What does 22 have to do with this. There has been many generals who are younger than 22. |
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civilization said: AlexGK said: It fails at storytelling, that's my point. Its nothing even near plausible. Here is the example from this episode. Ridget to be the new captain, what a joke. 22 years old, and so far acting like absolute moron. Sorry, not buying it. What does 22 have to do with this. There has been many generals who are younger than 22. To be fair he pretty much raised her as his daughter a lot of her life as well and had her working beside him every day. The general was driven solely by protecting the fleet as a whole and believed she was the best one to carry on his judgment. I agree 22 is young though and it's obviously caused friction between the young and the old. Whoever was chosen though it would have probably been a similar outcome. |
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| Now that all the slice of life part is done, we can move to the more serious part which are more informations about the hideauze and maybe Ledo might fine a way to go back to the alliance at the hideauze territories. |
| now must wait another week for some action ... |
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| Very sad episode. Commander dies and Ledo leaves Amy. ; A ; Ledo said he was going it for Amy too. <3 |
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| This anime really fails to grab my attention. Mediocre slice of life, uninteresting characters. Fortunately it's a short one. |
| If Ledo wasn't dumb as bricks, then maybe he could of convinced Ridget and others that the whale squids are a threat. All he does is ramble on about how they are bad and need to be killed, nothing beyond that. Chamber could probably give better arguements. However I don't expect Ledo to be very capable... he was bred just to push buttons inside chamber and nothing else. Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. |
| What a sad episode. Must say I shed a tear or two when the commander was rolled off into the ocean. |
edevcimot said: It's been really sad. I almost started crying when seeing Ridget's tears, Ahhh same here the whole episode was done very well if it was able to move people enough that they felt really sad about the commander's death. Great episode it's also pretty sad that Ledo is leaving. Hopefully this plan to make money dosnt wind up being their downfall. 5/5 Very sad but well done. |
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skudoops said: 00Bubbles00 said: If Ledo wasn't dumb as bricks, then maybe he could of convinced Ridget and others that the whale squids are a threat. All he does is ramble on about how they are bad and need to be killed, nothing beyond that. Chamber could probably give better arguements. However I don't expect Ledo to be very capable... he was bred just to push buttons inside chamber and nothing else. Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. He probably doesn't know anything beyond that. I mean, judging from his conversations about them, what does he know about the hideauze other than they are a threat? Yes very likely. An ignorant hero is almost as bad as an amnesiac hero. It would be nice if Chamber gave a history lesson... like how long have they been fighting the hideaze and what the death toll on humanity has been. |
| so much drama this episode has |
Colascka said: Marow said: Fai said: How would you react if some weirdo came into your room and started shouting that your goldfishes will eradicate humanity? I'd try to listen and understand. Yeah right, now you`re talking. Sorry if its sounds rude and my grammar sounds bad, but its not working like that. In fact every normal person would react WTF man? How can my fishes be threat to anyone, I live with them in symbiosis and they didn`t try hurt me or anybody so far. Disbelive goes first. I knew that people will start complainin about characters. From last episode there was Ridget, now is Amy cause she cry for Ledo, who is all alone there and not for Melty, who seem to be rather enjoyed about it, plus she will be there with her grandpa, so not so lonely. Of course Amy was sad, but Melty lightened the mood, trying to change the subject on handsome boys. Also I think the pain from losing person, who you loved is greater than losing a friend (well , at least in my experience. I`ve always had feeling that we may see eachother someday with my friends, although to be separate from love I rather feel that we will never meet again and every moment whitout that person was like an years :'D). Sorry about my bad grammar, but I hope u will understand :'). I understand what you mean. But I'd still listen. I mean, the guy has this huge robot, foreign language or something that makes it clear he isn't from our world, right? Of course I would first answer with disbelief since it's not something I would be able to comprehend. And most likely argue too. But that's part of understanding and learning. And that's what I would do. I wouldn't completely ignore it. |
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| This series actually works pretty well with a more series tone. It wasn't exactly emotionally moving for me (not sure what they were going for anyways, since I don't think most people are emotionally invested enough in the commander and Ridget for the whole thing to be tear-inducingly sad), but I like that we're getting a tone shift now, because it was getting kind of dry and substance-less about two to three episodes ago. Now we're at least getting the chance to reincorporate some elements introduced earlier in the show and tie it all together. |
| Good episode, really sux how Leto can no longer go home, and the fleets been split up heres to hoping nothing bad happens |
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| This was a very sad and quite dramatic episode. The commodore died from his heart attack and made Ridget the commodore instead. Ledo can't go back to his home/space since it'll take thousands of years to send the beacon message across. The scenes with Amy wanting to see Ledo and her thinking about him made my heart ache. :S Amy and Ledo are now separated. Ledo is so fixated on killing every single Hideauze which reminds me of Eren from Attack on Titan being so fixated on killing every single titan. xD Overall, I really enjoyed this episode despite having no action. 5/5 |
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| Great episode, even without any action. Saddening, how things move on. |
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| that execution...great! I don't care about the one who died but due to the flow you'll get sad. Plus it's not overdone like other shows. |
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| damn does that mean only ledo for the next episode and NO AMY AND BELLOWS? NOOOOOOO!!!!! |
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| Really sad ep that the cptn died. Almost really cried at one point, most be because of the atmosphere and the tone that was present in this ep. Looks like their finally going into combat next ep. Also sad that ledo can't go back. Maybe a planetary carrier will come get him in the future? |
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| Damn Pinion royally fucked this up with his "city of gold treasure hunt" idea splitting the fleet. Interesting to see if they merge back together at the end after maybe a huge battle and loss vs the Whalesquids/Hidiaazu(sp?). Great episode aside from the Captains death being so quick... as in he wakes up hands over the key then dies with in seconds... Loved the faces Amy displayed while she was cooking over the conversation about Ledo. ... Haha the comments in this series threads still have yet to disappoint... Some of you need to read a bit more and expanding your thinking... or just keep posting highly comical post ^_^ |
lanfireMay 26, 2013 10:06 PM
| Welp nothing much happened this week that we didn't expect, so there's not much to talk about theorywise. The exception would be the twist that the empire is far out of reach. Although it's a very realistic outcome if you presume he was just randomly flung into space, and he happened to be thrown to Earth, it still wasn't something which I was expecting (which is kinda funny). I can see two ways for this to develop: 1) it'll stay as a story isolated from the empire 2) they will find some kinda ancient FTL drive, or a machine capable of sending high speed transmissions. Unfortunately, for me the death scene held close to no emotional impact. We barely knew the guy, so I feel dedicating an entire episode to it was a bit too much. I also think the anime-cliche of going "I am weak and I can't do everything alone, so please help me everyone" is a bit silly. Personally I'd walk out on such a leader on the spot. Yeah, it's nice to be able to trust in others and delegate jobs properly, but at least present a solid plan for the future and show that you are a capable leader after putting yourself down. Personally I'd have preferred if we were shown more interaction between the cast before they split off, instead of watching this much of the funeral procession. |
Kellhus said: GuusWayne said: there is a limit to the suspension of disbelief And it's the fan that did it. Not the smoking porn reading rubik cube genius rape ape with a magic boat. |
| So Red isn't just brainwashed. He cares about Amy and that's why he wants to fight. |
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| This was such a nicely done episode despite there being nothing much really happening. Amy and Ledo sure have gotten close with each other. =/ Those tears. I just get a bad feeling about him fighting all of those hideauze. |
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00Bubbles00 said: skudoops said: 00Bubbles00 said: If Ledo wasn't dumb as bricks, then maybe he could of convinced Ridget and others that the whale squids are a threat. All he does is ramble on about how they are bad and need to be killed, nothing beyond that. Chamber could probably give better arguements. However I don't expect Ledo to be very capable... he was bred just to push buttons inside chamber and nothing else. Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. He probably doesn't know anything beyond that. I mean, judging from his conversations about them, what does he know about the hideauze other than they are a threat? Yes very likely. An ignorant hero is almost as bad as an amnesiac hero. It would be nice if Chamber gave a history lesson... like how long have they been fighting the hideaze and what the death toll on humanity has been. Frankly I am not even sure there IS anything more to know about it apart from propaganda. I mean, Alliance does not even HAVE the concept of "co-existence" and considering its an authoritarian military state, most likely 99% of stuff you can learn would be propaganda. |
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AlexGK said: PoeticJustice said: But let us look at the story that is supposed to be told here. It is not about the Gargantia, it is about a young boy who only knew war. He comes to a foreign planet and learns what it means to be "human." This is not Battleship. And besides, Ridget will have many people help her along the way, who else was the Commander supposed to nominate? Almost all of her shipmates are old as hell anyway. Fine, call it wrong setting for that kind of story then. Icebreaker93 said: SAO is sh1t compared to this. Well, lets say its just me then. Actually, I take that back now that I see the episode ratings. Its not just me then. I stand on my opinion - Greatest letdown in recent years, worse than SAO. And there was a time I didn't think anything could fail harder than SAO. 1st time for everything. There is still hope though - 4 episodes are still ahead. That and the fact that SAO was that overhyped fail. |
AlexGKMay 27, 2013 12:06 AM
00Bubbles00 said: Funny how writers didn't make Bevel ask him some more questions about civilization in space and war with Hideaze. It would of been good for backstory. Yeah! Because forced exposition is AMAZING storytelling... always a good choice... On the topic of the episode: Very well done. It was sad and mournful, but not melodramatic (tears from teenagers and mourning daughters are understandable), and also showed the development of Ledo. He is no longer only fighting just because it's his mission, he's beginning to formulate coherent reasons for his fight: he wants to protect Amy and humanity. He also shows a rebelliousness toward the Alliance propaganda when he tells Bevel that he doesn't want the utilitarian mentality to take over Gargantia. I thought the Ridget parts were well done if you understand the reasoning behind it. She is coming to terms with being a leader, and part of that was letting go of both her father-figure and letting the ships go without making a scene or causing a fuss. It did well at showcasing the more democratic side of Gargantia and was semi-realistic in the problems a young, brand new leader would face after the death of a long-time, respected leader and mentor/father figure. Amy also showed maturity near the end by not whining at Ledo as he said good-bye. People can call it boring, but I prefer story-telling that isn't afraid to take it's time and to really highlight the personal aspect of characterization. Action is all well and good, but it should ALWAYS take a back seat to good, solid story-telling. Further, this was the point of all the "boring" episodes beforehand: to introduce the humanization of Ledo and to highlight the emotions of the other characters. I don't think we were supposed to cry at the death of the Commander, or at Ledo leaving; we were just supposed to understand the feelings of the people involved, understand why Ridget is so emotionally affected, why Amy is crying, and why it means a lot that Ledo is actually THINKING about something other than his mission. The fact that Ledo discusses his younger brother with Bevel means that he's actually thought about it, and has to some degree been hurt by the memory. He is already showing cracks in his robot-soldier facade. Most shows would have skipped the character building and used the classic mistake of assuming that Tell is as good as Show in storytelling. It takes a certain kind of courage to slow down and really work at building the character in a realistic way: no huge space battles, no pseudo-intellectual rants, no over-blown action scenes to give cheap drama and exposition; just simple every day life. People in this anime have conversations they would realistically have. They do things they would realistically do. They make mistakes, they don't communicate, they doubt themselves and others, and they don't spend hours talking about shit. They work, they play, they live, they eat, they love, they lose, they grow, and when they die, they just die. No huge fanfare; no ten-minute speeches, just a peaceful death and a funeral and everyone else picking up the pieces and trying to move on. Well, haters gonna hate; armchair critics gonna expect bad tropes and worse techniques and be disappointed when they don't get them. What're ya gonna do? You can lead horses to water, but you can't make 'em drink. On a side note: Pinion dies next. Heroic sacrifice to teach Ledo the true meaning of loss and finalize his understanding of the depth of human interaction. |
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PoeticJustice said: Spiegelmeister said: Crazy theory here, but bear with me. Don't mind me :) *whistles nonchalantly* One can only hope.... You're rooting for a plot development like this, and yet two comments ago you were blaming others for not taking this as a SoL show? Seems like some of the anti-haters here are just jumping on the bandwagon. Slow episode was slow. Clash between setting and intended message from the story is evident. Emotional developments were loosely constructed. And not only was it slow, Ledo was barely present in any of it. With four episodes left, I see little potential for a satisfactory conclusion. Ledo's realization that he cannot return to the Alliance was really expected at this stage, although I now question why they didn't do this earlier. I suppose it is because Ledo's affair with the whalesquids is the last remaining vestige of his identity as a member of the Alliance, that he must deal with before becoming a permanent citizen of Earth. What is he going to do after he manages to kill all the whalesquids? Going with Gen's intended theme about finding a place in society, would it perhaps make sense if what they discover renders the Alliance's struggle against the Hideauze meaningless, or simply no longer relevant to his situation? I can't imagine otherwise. If so, that would make this a pretty weak series in terms of story and conveying of the central message. |
morrownight said: What is he going to do after he manages to kill all the whalesquids? Going with Gen's intended theme about finding a place in society, would it perhaps make sense if what they discover renders the Alliance's struggle against the Hideauze meaningless, or simply no longer relevant to his situation? I can't imagine otherwise. If so, that would make this a pretty weak series in terms of story and conveying of the central message. I doubt he will kill all the whale-squids, or even come close to doing so. And I further doubt that the Alliance's struggle will be rendered meaningless or irrelevant. It will probably be more along the lines of showing him that the Alliance is responsible for the struggle in the first place, and that the Hideauze were never the aggressors. That the continuation of utilitarianism and totalitarianism of the Alliance was ultimately the cause and the goal of the struggle. The shattering of his world-view and his purpose for existing. Thus with the death of his old self and purpose, a new self and purpose can emerge. It's been a character story all along, with overarching messages of hope and rebirth and experiencing new worlds and new things. I fail to see how even your scenario would go against any of that... |
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| Was I suppose to care for the Commander?? I just learned his name this episode though..... |
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StopDropAndBowl said: Most shows would have skipped the character building and used the classic mistake of assuming that Tell is as good as Show in storytelling. It takes a certain kind of courage to slow down and really work at building the character in a realistic way: no huge space battles, no pseudo-intellectual rants, no over-blown action scenes to give cheap drama and exposition; just simple every day life. People in this anime have conversations they would realistically have. They do things they would realistically do. They make mistakes, they don't communicate, they doubt themselves and others, and they don't spend hours talking about shit. They work, they play, they live, they eat, they love, they lose, they grow, and when they die, they just die. No huge fanfare; no ten-minute speeches, just a peaceful death and a funeral and everyone else picking up the pieces and trying to move on. On a side note: Pinion dies next. Heroic sacrifice to teach Ledo the true meaning of loss and finalize his understanding of the depth of human interaction. I basically liked everything you said :D It's like what someone said earlier on, that the emotions felt very organic. I think this anime captures the slice of life feel better than most anime that are meant to be just slice of life. Not to mention, I think they do a great job in terms of world building through these slice of life moments, and the bgm really helps a lot with the tone. But back to the realistic part. I also thought that the funeral scene was done very well because, thank goodness, we don't hear anyone wailing (not that it's not realistic but it can be too dramatic). This anime definitely is different because it "shows" and not "tells." It's quite a refreshing take, but it's too bad not everyone will appreciate or understand it. But what's that you say? Pinion will die next? o_o I can actually see that happening, it would be the best trigger for Ledo to really get out of his soldier mentality/his perspective on everything. |
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Num1dad_Asura said: Was I suppose to care for the Commander?? I just learned his name this episode though..... Look at Gargantia, Flange, his old picture with Rigit, Rigit's father and the doctor etc. His conversation with the doctor, his leadership during the pirate's attack etc. Under him, Gargantia is peaceful, people are smiling, enjoying festival. His council's look up to and respect him, he's a father figure to Rigit. While he may not have enough screen time for a lot of us to really care about him, but he is not just some random "kill him off" character. I didn't know him for too long, heck, I don't even know his name up til this episode, but I do, however, respect his character for the peace that Gargantia found/maintained under his command. |
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