Kotoura-san Episode 5 Discussion

bastek66 said:
Did you get that reference?

Marow said:
Kotoura-san ended last episode.

InfiniteRyvius said:

In that first scene in the clubroom, Kotoura casually reveals that Moritani secretly wants to be with Manabe, causing the cute tsundere reaction of Moritani. Right, about that, doesn't that show that despite everything that's happened in her life, that Kotoura has still not learned to show restraint when blurting out people's thoughts?

Wordsmith said:
Someone make a gif of Kotoura rolling around on the floor *puppyeyes*

This episode was cute, with the sleepover and all. Kotoura sleeping on Manabe was just made of win.

Also, Kotoura naked apron.... *nosebleed*


And lets not forget....

MORI!

katsucats said:
I dropped this anime. This show was just about to get good, but then Kotoura came back... Got my hopes up.

Cratex said:
As would I. But I definitely think part of the premise of this show is that in this world that is just exactly what happened.

Cratex said:
And I think that's where the disconnect is - I don't see any evidence that Kotoura ever actually made that very connection.

Cratex said:
And this, I think, is the root of the problem - this is a story that is taking some issues and concepts and stretching them way out of normal proportions. I don't see it as being meant to be strictly realistic (though as mora404@ says there are plenty of examples of kids in high school being total social outcast, some with very real traumatic past), any more than say a story about girls becoming magical girls and getting their power from picture books so they can save the world from a Bad End is supposed to be realistic. I'm Okay accepting the show's premise and letting the story run it's course.

MorningGlory said:
I thought that scene show that Moritani is accustomed to Kotoura's behavior. I am sure doing this among friend are not a big matter.
Of course , if she still does this among stranger, she will get bash badly, but I don't think this episode shows that .

InfiniteRyvius said:

You mean it's a plot point? No, I don't think it is, her being a mind reader is a plot point, the fact that no one told her was a plot contrivance, and I'm not going to accept that, because it's preposterous.

InfiniteRyvius said:

You say that, but I see no evidence that Kotoura takes who she is talking about into account. Also, just because they are friendly doesn't mean it's okay for Kotoura to just reveal her secrets. Would you think it was okay to reveal the secrets/thoughts of your friends? Thought not.

InfiniteRyvius said:

You mean it's a plot point? No, I don't think it is, her being a mind reader is a plot point, the fact that no one told her was a plot contrivance, and I'm not going to accept that, because it's preposterous.


I realise she didn't, that's exactly what I'm pointing out, I'm saying Kotoura would have to be inanely stupid to not be able to figure that out in over 10 years. That is another plot contrivance.



Let me tell you the difference between a plot point and poor writing. In the case of the magical girls, the plot points are that 1) there are magical girls, 2) they get powers from picture books etc. they are unrealistic, but they are plot points. If one of the girls is a horrible raping bitch, then suddenly for no reason changes personality so that she's now nice, that's poor writing. For Kotoura-san, the fact that she can read minds is a plot point. The story should be realistic given this framework created by the initial plot points, and then it can act as a "realistic" piece of writing. Since the show does nothing to indicate that nothing else is different about the world of Kotoura-san apart from the powers of the main protagonist, we assume that the actions of humans have some sembelance to those in real life. However, the characters in the show act in a way that we would not expect any reasonable (by which I mean not crazy/retarded) individual to act. I can believe that someone would act like how Manabe acts, I can believe someone could act like how the president acts, I cannot believe how out of the over 100 people that must have been in Kotoura's life, not one of them told her "Don't tell other people's secrets", or words to that effect.



You say that, but I see no evidence that Kotoura takes who she is talking about into account. Also, just because they are friendly doesn't mean it's okay for Kotoura to just reveal her secrets. Would you think it was okay to reveal the secrets/thoughts of your friends? Thought not.

Cratex said:
That's Okay. You can do that. I won't hold it against you ;)

MorningGlory said:
Are you saying that Kotoura is forbidden to use her ability even among friends, even among ESP club members? 0.0"
I think this is very normal for me, or maybe I am just a weirdo who think that way lol

mora404 said:
During the scene in the club room when Kotoura slips and says that Moritani wants to be there to be close to Manabe, seemed more like a friendly slip than a mind reading one. She was stating the obvious.

InfiniteRyvius said:

OH YOU.


So, if you're with your friend and you read his mind to find out he fancies a girl but is too nervous to say etc., would you think it's okay for you to tell that girl that the guys likes her? And you think your friend would be alright with this?

Also, saying that it should be alright because it's the ESP club is silly. For example, if Moritani actually had psychokinesis, I doubt that even though it's the ESP club they'd be fine with her going Sylar on everyone's ass.


You say that, but would someone as stupid as Kotoura be able to work that out unless she read her mind? Also, even if it was obvious to her, it wasn't to Manabe, and keeping secrets you didn't find out with your mind reading is much the same as keeping secrets read with her mind reading.

mora404 said:
I think if they can forgive Moritani for getting Manabe beaten up then they can forgive Kotoura for a little ESP slip up. I recall a time when Kotoura read the President's mind and saw some startling things and didn't tell everyone what she saw. She does have the ability at times to control her behavior. I think she is impulsive and a klutz.. not necessarily a character to take seriously.

mora404 said:
However I don't have esp (damn)

Cratex said:
My cat does. She says it's overrated, and I don't have anything she wants to "hear" anyway.

Makes me feel kinda small, actually.

InfiniteRyvius said:
I am not saying that she should not use her powers, I am saying she should use them responsibly.

So she can read someone's mind sure, I'm sure they are all aware that it will probably happen, but telling people someone else's secrets is another matter.

Alfyan said:
Am I the only one who doesn't understand this Mori joke? =/

mora404 said:
I never implied that you should be ok with forgiving Moritani... This is about the characters and their actions. I would not be ok with a person who beat up someone I cared for. I would hold a major grudge... but this is about Kotoura and how she handled the situation. Is it unrealistic.. yes. However I don't have esp (damn) and I didn't grow up in relative seclusion. I think before we say what is realistic and unrealistic we need to look at their point of view. She is only 15..

MorningGlory said:

Your statement will be valid only if they are annoyed/angry by Kotoura's ability.
Yes,I do agree expose people's mind are generally bad but From my point of view, they are just having a comedy joke here.

InfiniteRyvius said:

Being 15 does not make you a retard, even if you had a warped childhood.

Being 15 still means you are a kid and immature.. You are bound to make mistakes. It doesn't mean she is a "retard," more like her common sense is lacking.

mora404 said:


Being 15 still means you are a kid and immature.. You are bound to make mistakes. It doesn't mean she is a "retard," more like her common sense is lacking.

InfiniteRyvius said:

She does lack lots of common sense, I'll give you that, she did manage to not connect "people are scared I might blurt out their secrets" and "maybe I should stop blurting out their secrets" for 10 odd years, eluding her best attempts to figure a way out of her predicament. It's still eluding her as well....

I can just about make myself accept Kotoura forgiving Moritani, though it sits incredibly uncomfortably with me, but I will not accept that she is so immature or lacking in common sense she couldn't work out she should restrain herself for 10 years. If she was that stupid I'm pretty sure she'd be clinically retarded.