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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- The birth of the song "Lacie". Lacie didn't think of Jack as important as him to her, because it was just a time when she argued against her brother. "Sadness" Gil remembering everything and trying to do something, and Vincent is trying to stop him. Barma said what Jack said was fake. He's not hero, but the cause of everything. Jack just wanted to give this world that Lacie, who died, loved to Will of Abyss. Oz was a chain made in Jack's request to Will of Abyss, and wants Oz's power of destroying for that. Alice came to the rescue! |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| there is a lot to talk about in this chapter I got to realize how insane Jack was ..." if you don't want her to feel lonely just go yourself !" but I still like him :p and FINALLY back to present ..I really want to know what Gil's reaction on all of this , what's with the "O...z ? " thing ?!!! for an instant I thought that he was the one who attacked Break with Raven when Oz was mentioned . yeah Alice's back to stage ! Can't wait till next chapter >_< |
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| Where'd you read this at? |
HomuraRewind said: Where'd you read this at? There are no scans yet, only the spoilers. LJ and Tumblr and stuff! |
Maidofag said: HomuraRewind said: Where'd you read this at? There are no scans yet, only the spoilers. LJ and Tumblr and stuff! I'm on Tumblr and I've already gotten some spoilers. Woot. ^_^ Now to go through LJ and find more. |
cielleia said: Okay my first post didn't say much but - That flashback when Jack called the Intention a glutton [Oz's memories from way earlier chapters] really did occur. o no; It still doesn't explain what Lacie's Chain was, if Jack has "Oz the B-Rabbit" and 'Oz' has "Alice the B-Rabbit" what did Lacie have? && Poor Alice and her Oz rabbit and Jack, Lacie didn't even give second thought about her earring when she gave it to him and their encounter was only because she had time to waste. It kind of sucks for him and makes Jack x Lacie one sided. Also... she blamed Jack for realizing loneliness, but isn't it a good thing to understand all feelings? "I should deliver the world to you." Oh Jack, why? actually when she "hugged" Ozwald he told her that he'd be lonely without her and that was when she realized that she'd feel the same with Jack and appreciated his passion ..so I think -even a little bit - she had crush on Jack |
fayotakuApr 19, 2012 8:40 AM
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| Lacie blushed with Jack´s words, she totally had a crush on him. If given time she would come to love him as much as he loved her. T____T I found it adorable she hugging Jack. and sexy. Jack is a psycho. But a good one. "Im gonna deliver the world to Lacie, so she wont feel alone anymore". Damn you Jack...dont be such a romantic villain... Lacie is like Jack´s religion. everything for her, and everyone for her, screw the rest, lol. He and the Will are bff, I believe,since she was the one creating Oz and supporting Jack. The end was fantastic with Alice kicking Jack and saving Oz. Alice VS Jack next chapter? XD or perhaps some Vince and Gil helping Break, he is in a pinch. |
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
| MY GOD! ALICE IS FINALLY RELEVANT AGAIN! THANK YOU BASED JUN!! \o/ So Jack is confirmed as final boss? I feel like we are getting close to the ending...I cant wait to see what happens next. What a great story. |
| All you got from this chapter was that Jack was insane ..... thats just stupid...The whole pandora hearts world is messed up and Jack actually found something that he wanted so much he based his life around it.And he never was lust driven he aways kept his distance The world never had any meaning to Jack his world was Lacie and i actually love how pure he is in contrast to every other evil antagonist. He is pretty much my favourite character from the start and made me like him more And seeing Lacie's realisation made me even more sad...even if her appearance in the story was short she clearly is far superior to any other female cast from the manga |
| I just wonder if it's rly Alice there :3 |
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| So...is jack going to be antagonist here? |
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Dreamtime said: Maffy said: I just wonder if it's rly Alice there :3 This At first i think Oz saw Lacie and then Alice kicked Jack and judging by the personality its current Alice not past Alice Really!. I also want to know who that was...Lacie or Alice? And I'm definitely loving how Jack's character is developing...it's truly unique. But the thing I'm looking forward to the most is How Oz and Gil will react after their mental breakdown is over. Who's side will they be on...etc |
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Barion-Zara said: Dreamtime said: Maffy said: I just wonder if it's rly Alice there :3 This At first i think Oz saw Lacie and then Alice kicked Jack and judging by the personality its current Alice not past Alice Really!. I also want to know who that was...Lacie or Alice? And I'm definitely loving how Jack's character is developing...it's truly unique. But the thing I'm looking forward to the most is How Oz and Gil will react after their mental breakdown is over. Who's side will they be on...etc This Actually that is pre Alice when Jack said he was gonna sink the world in the abyss for the first time my bad |
| Awwwn, Lacie. <3 I freaking love her, and I love the way Jack "loved" her, always in distance. I really want him to reunite with Lacie in the end of this, they must do. ;; And that Alice's expression on the beggining of the page... just wonderful! Must say I like her past self much more than now. |
LiinahApr 26, 2012 12:22 PM
| Hmm... kinda torn here. So Jack is just love-crazy, which isn't very respectable to me. But, he has sympathetic reasons to love Lacie so much, and his love is completely selfless and pure. Despite all the stuff he went through in his life, and despite all the sex he's undoubtedly had, he just wants Lacie to be the one pure and innocent thing in his life. She's sacred and he exists to worship her, as Orulyon said. His motivation is incredibly irresponsible yet hopelessly romantic. If Lacie is really still around in some form, "one with the Abyss," I can maybe find the motive sympathetic. But what could he hope to accomplish that way? What kind of world could he bring to her? Even if he drops everyone in, they'll just become twisted and transform into chains. Is this why Glen ordered the Baskervilles to kill everyone in Sablier? To save them from that fate? There's still a lot of questions for me. The same questions Jack was trying to ask Glen: why do the Baskervilles want to destroy/control the Will? what do they want to do with that power? I wouldn't trust anyone with it. We've seen that Alyss is terribly lonely herself, and has sent Lacie's memories to Jack. But did she really think he'd react this way? Did she, as Jack seems to think, create Black Rabbit to bring the world into the Abyss? I don't know. She was awfully surprised by the Sablier tragedy during Break's flashback, and was in agony over it. She no longer even wants to be the Will. She also still has a bizarre love/hate relationship with Jack. She pursues him, yet she also has a hatred for him. Who was the Alice from the past who said she wouldn't let Jack do what he did? Black or White Alice? We have lots of memories of "Alice" being infatuated with Jack... I'm still unclear which Alice that was, but I think it was White Alice. This makes for another mind-bending relationship: Alyss loves Jack (the guy who spent so much time with her and made her feel special), Alice loves Oz (her favorite toy that she thinks Jack broke and is now reborn in the flesh). The past is repeating itself, but in new ways. This gives me hope that maybe this time Jack will succeed, everyone will fall in, and the climax will take place within the Abyss. I've always wanted to see a direct encounter with the Will on her own turf again. |
| Lacie was asimilated by the abyss so she is like those white particles which i think are life and memories...maybe after Jack understood that he then accepted that he cannot return Lacie back as she is no more...but at the same time she remains a part of the abyss Btw Alyss seems like she remembers time before she was born after all she remembered Lacie so i guess she inherited the memories from that white form Lacie talked with. Was it ever explained whether you could go back in time via the abyss power or is impossible...i don't remember |
| Why does everything just keep going from bad to worse? Why are so many horrible things happening at the same time? Leo is still bleeding on the floor isn't he? I can't think about plot, I'm being distracted by the heartbreak. |
Neiru2012 said: Who was the Alice from the past who said she wouldn't let Jack do what he did? Black or White Alice? We have lots of memories of "Alice" being infatuated with Jack... I'm still unclear which Alice that was, but I think it was White Alice. This makes for another mind-bending relationship: Alyss loves Jack (the guy who spent so much time with her and made her feel special), Alice loves Oz (her favorite toy that she thinks Jack broke and is now reborn in the flesh). The one who said was probably Black Alice 'cause the White Alice was the one who sent the memories through Oz, so she wouldn't be so surprised by seeing him being destroyed by it. The same Alice who screams at Jack is the same one who says "I won't let you do that!" to him. I hardly doubt that W. Alice would switch places with B. Alice just to proclaim those words. Dreamtime said: Was it ever explained whether you could go back in time via the abyss power or is impossible...i don't remember Many people made contracts with chains in order to change the past, even Break did. However Alyss can't really control the time, she may change the past, but not the way she wants to. |
LiinahApr 26, 2012 4:50 PM
| I think Alyss can change the past in whatever way she wants... it's just not usually how you want her to. She did make it so that the Sinclair family wasn't massacred during the incident that Break asked her to change, but it's not like Break also asked for nothing bad to ever happen to the Sinclair family. Alyss changes particular events. Past that, she doesn't concern herself with how the new timeline will flow. |
| I guess it depends on how coherent she is, or whether she has to be specifically asked by somebody, or do it in exchange for something. |
| So happy to see Alice back. I liked the flash back and everything but I missed seeing Alice. |
| PH is nearing the ending, isn't it? Most mysteries are currently being solved. My life is rapidly approaching lack of sense. |
| I was never expecting Jack to have a really great explanation for what he did, but now that he really does not I sort of lost most of my respect for him. I mean, that is all nice and cute but... just no. |
deadoptimist said: Though I think shit-flinging should also have standards - no personal, no behind the scenes. |
| Well, Ive been thinking and indeed like Neiru said, if Jack throws everyone on the Abyss, they will probably become chains or something. It will be total chaos. But the thing is...Jack says he wants to give the world Lacie loved to her, and I dont believe he thinks that making everyone chains would be Lacie´s ideal of the world she loved, it seems to me that he wants to deliver her the world just as it is, not making it warped. It somehow makes weird sense to me...like, i dont remember but wasnt it told that when the abyss was created it was pure light? what if by merging the abyss with this world, the Abyss becomes light again or a place that resembles this world? (aka: a true wonderland and not just a place of madness). one way or another i dont think he will succeed. Definitely the one who opposed Jack´s plans was the Black Alice. And since she appears wearing the same dress as the day she was killed, i guess Jack really did kill her, otherwise she wouldnt have ripped her memories apart. I mean she liked Jack a lot too, and being killed by someone you trust is enough for you to want to forget everything. White Alice asked Break to save Black Alice right? It means Jack might want to kill her again because she is going to interfere in his masterplan. I believe at the moment the only ally Jack has is White Alice, and perhaps she agreed with his plan firstly because she loves him, and secondly because there is a possibility that if the two worlds are merged, she would stop being the Intention. Also random crazy theory: |
OrulyonMay 8, 2012 4:23 PM
ワンダーランド花 ♥ |
| CRIMES OF PASSION HELL YEA Jack was really pissing me of for the longest time but i actually really enjoy his motives. it enhances the feelings of all the characters and their motives as well. alice's "theres no way ill let you do that" was amazing. and im soooo happy shes back!!!!!!!!!!!!! im sad that if the mysteries are all wrapping up like this that the manga may be in the last leg of its journey T_T i love ph so much. Lacie really sold me on her character this chapter too. she had feelings after all. her lonsomeness really puts the entire concept of the Abyss into consideration. but damn Alice was just so epic this chapter. i can hardly wait for the next one ahhh |
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| I'm starting to think Alice killed herself to sever a link between the human world and the Abyss core or something. That'd be the most efficient way to stop Jack maybe. Yes, I'm sure it's been suggested before... I'm slow. XD |
| Alice is back in action! But I wonder how she got into the memories of Jack/Oz or whatever that place. |
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| Jack really needs to chill a bit, there's more than just Lacie. Good to see Alice again! |
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| Alice came to rescue her husbando <3 |
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| wow... this chapter was awesome! I'm kinda confused tho~ i don't know what to think about Jack anymore. Is he the good guy? Maybe the bad guy? ugh... hahaha so stressing :P |
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| So much fucked up things happening and I agree, it's so fucking confusing. Jack's plan is purely out of love, which is to bring the world to Lacie that has been assimilated with the Abyss by using Oz's power to do so. But how about the current Alice? Is she a chain or just a child that was made in the Abyss and then got time jumped 100 years later? |
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