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Mar 3, 2012 10:17 PM

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LeFake said:
I don't.


Respect should be given as that is pretty ballzy....
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Stuff dealing with high schools and high schoolers and otherwise sterile anime.
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Beedlebud said:
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What do you mean by "sexist" exactly? Do you mean that you don't like when people of the opposite sex are treated differently? If so, that means that you're okay with anime involving females getting punched in the face/beat up as if they were men, right?? Cause I mean, that would be equal treatment regarding voilence..


What I mean is, anime that treats genders negatively. For example, I never read Bakuman when I read this.

I've seen fanservice being coupled as sexism, but no. I don't think it is (but I'm biased XD). Only stuff like "Oh hey she can cook, she'd make a good wife" really grinds my gears in anime.


I understand your point, but I think you are missing out on good stories just because you dislike that particular element. For example, the series Hikaru no Go (art by Obata, by some strange coincidence....) is much more blatantly sexist than Bakuman and I disliked that aspect thoroughly, but it still is one of the best anime I have ever seen (edit: /manga I have ever read).

Ardamaeus said:
Hentai, rape. Everything else is free f*ckin' game. Extreme violence is the sh*t.


I have always wondered how people can find sexual violence disturbing but be ok with and enjoy non-sexual violence.
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I usually don't draw a line as long as I have fun.
Mar 4, 2012 2:23 AM

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pussy / useless main characters

fetish / tentacle hentai

yaio/yuri

anything with so much fanservice that it makes me feel ashamed with myself to even watch it (bouncing boobs, upskirt camera angles etc)
Mar 4, 2012 2:44 AM

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Beedlebud said:

I've seen fanservice being coupled as sexism, but no. I don't think it is (but I'm biased XD). Only stuff like "Oh hey she can cook, she'd make a good wife" really grinds my gears in anime.


I think people are a bit oversensitive about stuff like this. Being good at cooking is a positive trait. I wish I was a better cook. Of course I know that in reality most women are terrible cooks, but anime has no obligation to always portray female characters as inept.
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hentai_proxy said:


I understand your point, but I think you are missing out on good stories just because you dislike that particular element. For example, the series Hikaru no Go (art by Obata, by some strange coincidence....) is much more blatantly sexist than Bakuman and I disliked that aspect thoroughly, but it still is one of the best anime I have ever seen (edit: /manga I have ever read).


Interesting....can you point out where exactly you've seen this? Because I own the first four volumes of the manga and I don't recall any of that.
Mar 4, 2012 7:21 AM

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If I already decided to watch the anime, I will usually pull through until the end. The only anime that I dropped outright was Naruto and that was because there was no end in sight to the fillers and I was following the manga anyways. I also dropped Deadman wonderland, but I do plan to start watching that again someday.
But if the anime has main characters that are too ugly, I will usually refuse to start it. It seems like a really stupid reason, but decent looking characters are very important to me. They don't have to be awesome looking characters, just bearable.

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Incest Anime.
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I really don't like romance, a little bit is fine, but if it's the main focus of the anime I probably won't like it.

Fanservice, it's nice every now and then especially when used in comedic ways, but when clothes are coming off every single scene I might as well just watch hentai.
Mar 4, 2012 8:45 AM

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Hentai,extreme violence,yaoi,lame story



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Are the lot of you claiming to be morally offended by low ratings, shitty art, high school settings and characters, weak protagonists, ugly characters and romance or did you just fail to read the damn OP?
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I don't understand this topic. It's like asking people what genre they can't stand watching. I think that's why this topic's getting a lot of hentai and yaoi.
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There are plenty of anime that have events I find distasteful, but I can't say I've watched anything that makes me uncomfortable. For me anime, does not look enough like real life for me to have any moral objection. CGI certainly can come close, but it's always in my mind that it's not real, so there is not any reason for it to bother me.

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phnsr said:
Are the lot of you claiming to be morally offended by low ratings, shitty art, high school settings and characters, weak protagonists, ugly characters and romance or did you just fail to read the damn OP?


Yes. It is a crime for such a creative medium as animation to be wasted on boring things.
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I don't mind Hentai as long as it is delivered in small doses. Alot of the hentai animes out there are really nasty. I hate Yaoi.
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I'm not crazy about stuff that stereotypes of victimizes women (or gender, religion, or race) but I will watch most anything so long as it is relevant to the story, but there has to be a story so that lets out most hentai. Gratuitous violence gets boring.
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Anime_Name said:
Oh look. People will draw the line at hentai. That's like saying you'll watch all kinds of movies but not pornos. Obvious answer is obvious.


Well not everyone likes seeing 2 animated characters going at it. Plus what a weird connection you made there, its not like animations would turn me on.
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OriginANIME said:
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Oh look. People will draw the line at hentai. That's like saying you'll watch all kinds of movies but not pornos. Obvious answer is obvious.


Well not everyone likes seeing 2 animated characters going at it. Plus what a weird connection you made there, its not like animations would turn me on.
--For me, it isn't any kind of moral judgement. For some reason, I actually like hentai better than live action porn. The fact is that I don't find much of it that I care to watch. Nothing against hot sex. I just like a little story and a little romance or at least "chemistry" along with it.
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lisnoire said:
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Oh look. People will draw the line at hentai. That's like saying you'll watch all kinds of movies but not pornos. Obvious answer is obvious.


Well not everyone likes seeing 2 animated characters going at it. Plus what a weird connection you made there, its not like animations would turn me on.
--For me, it isn't any kind of moral judgement. For some reason, I actually like hentai better than live action porn. The fact is that I don't find much of it that I care to watch. Nothing against hot sex. I just like a little story and a little romance or at least "chemistry" along with it.


Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "who the fk would like hentai more than porn!?", in fact, I know a lot of people who enjoy hentai over porn due to exactly what you stated. Its understandable, I just don't agree with it. Though hentai tends to have "storyline" which is in fact better than porn. xD Sorry if what I said sounded bad. =/
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Beedlebud said:

I've seen fanservice being coupled as sexism, but no. I don't think it is (but I'm biased XD). Only stuff like "Oh hey she can cook, she'd make a good wife" really grinds my gears in anime.

How the fuck is that sexist? Would it be sexist if they said "Oh hey he can fix stuff, he'd make a good husband"?
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OriginANIME said:
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Oh look. People will draw the line at hentai. That's like saying you'll watch all kinds of movies but not pornos. Obvious answer is obvious.


Well not everyone likes seeing 2 animated characters going at it. Plus what a weird connection you made there, its not like animations would turn me on.
--For me, it isn't any kind of moral judgement. For some reason, I actually like hentai better than live action porn. The fact is that I don't find much of it that I care to watch. Nothing against hot sex. I just like a little story and a little romance or at least "chemistry" along with it.


Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "who the fk would like hentai more than porn!?", in fact, I know a lot of people who enjoy hentai over porn due to exactly what you stated. Its understandable, I just don't agree with it. Though hentai tends to have "storyline" which is in fact better than porn. xD Sorry if what I said sounded bad. =/
--Actually, what I was getting at (badly) is that generally neither hentai or porn offer much in the way of story, romance, or chemistry. :-) Generally speaking, men are visually stimulated and women need a little mental stimulation as well. That's why women are so often turned off by porn be it animated or live.
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Mar 4, 2012 1:48 PM

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I like how this thread turned into a porn / hentai thread.

YOU PEOPLE ARE SICK!!! lol

So to refer back to the original question more...
If the female characters are too cutesy, I usually skip right over that shit.
It also makes me uncomfortable when there's any sort of fan service regarding girls that are clearly 12 years old lol (Nisemonogatari is currently on the verge of being dropped, but the story is still interesting enough so i'm bearing through it -__-)
Other than that, it's very hard to say what's good or not. Sometimes the most random things would bother me enough that I will not watch something.
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Accolades said:
How the fuck is that sexist? Would it be sexist if they said "Oh hey he can fix stuff, he'd make a good husband"?


Feminist logic. If women are bad at something, it is actually a good thing because they think that they're not enforcing a gender stereotype that way. It's the perfect plan: you don't need to be able to do anything, yet you're always right. Self-esteem issues, mostly. In reality of course, it is to each his/her own, but that is too much for a feminist mind to understand.
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Accolades said:
Beedlebud said:

I've seen fanservice being coupled as sexism, but no. I don't think it is (but I'm biased XD). Only stuff like "Oh hey she can cook, she'd make a good wife" really grinds my gears in anime.

How the fuck is that sexist? Would it be sexist if they said "Oh hey he can fix stuff, he'd make a good husband"?


It is sexist because it is (IMO) something that drags us back to the 1950s where wives did simply nothing but cook and clean and do housework. It is made out to be as if this is the only thing men would want in a woman. So they don't have to. In reality, I believe marriage is something where both spouses equally share the burden.

And your other comment, Yes. But when do you ever see that in anime?


Feminist logic. If women are bad at something, it is actually a good thing because they think that they're not enforcing a gender stereotype that way. It's the perfect plan: you don't need to be able to do anything, yet you're always right. Self-esteem issues, mostly. In reality of course, it is to each his/her own, but that is too much for a feminist mind to understand.


Wrong.
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Beedlebud said:

Yes. But when do you ever see that in anime?


That is irrelevant. The question is how is that a sexist thing? That someone is good at cooking or fixing things?
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Beedlebud said:

Yes. But when do you ever see that in anime?


That is irrelevant. The question is how is that a sexist thing? That someone is good at cooking or fixing things?


You're missing my point. When you say it like that OF COURSE it's not sexist. But put that in context.
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i can't watch horror anime because i get too freaked out...aside from that i don't really like a lot of fanservice (yet for some reason i like nisemonogatari, aside from the toothbrushing scene...) or ecchi stuff.

i also wouldn't watch something with animation i dislike or a plot/characters i'm not interested in, but that can vary... :>
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Seeing as i read (and love) lots and lots of guro I don't think I have a line.

I don't just mean the well known and gory Mai-chan's Daily Life either, I mean the really weird and grungy stuff.
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OriginANIME said:
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Well not everyone likes seeing 2 animated characters going at it. Plus what a weird connection you made there, its not like animations would turn me on.
--For me, it isn't any kind of moral judgement. For some reason, I actually like hentai better than live action porn. The fact is that I don't find much of it that I care to watch. Nothing against hot sex. I just like a little story and a little romance or at least "chemistry" along with it.


Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "who the fk would like hentai more than porn!?", in fact, I know a lot of people who enjoy hentai over porn due to exactly what you stated. Its understandable, I just don't agree with it. Though hentai tends to have "storyline" which is in fact better than porn. xD Sorry if what I said sounded bad. =/

You should check out H-manga, it's debatably preferable. H-anime ≠ H-manga.
In most all cases, hentai animation sucks hairy balls. H-manga on the other hand often has a storyline equivalent to an average manga.
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Mar 4, 2012 6:38 PM

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anything with racism, homophobia, xenophobia in general. you dont see it too much in anime besides maybe a slightly racist stereotype, but still
anything involved with a weird fetish (that i dont have)

besides that, anything really
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Accolades said:
Beedlebud said:

I've seen fanservice being coupled as sexism, but no. I don't think it is (but I'm biased XD). Only stuff like "Oh hey she can cook, she'd make a good wife" really grinds my gears in anime.

How the fuck is that sexist? Would it be sexist if they said "Oh hey he can fix stuff, he'd make a good husband"?


Technically...yes.
Although, I don't know any man who would be offended by being accused of being a good handyman. In fact, it's the opposite - most men take it as a compliment.

Speaking of sexism, although there is no denying there is a lot of sexism against women in anime, there is also a lot of sexism against men. How often do you see male characters getting the shit beat out of them over the tiniest "transgression" such as seeing a girl naked by accident or not being a mind reader and not realizing that a girl likes him. There are also plenty of shows where men are portrayed as stupider than women or where all the men are perverts who can't keep it in their pants - again overblown stereotypes.

That's where I draw the line - when I see male characters constantly being victims of slapstick violence or when I see them being just grossly incompetent, idiotic or perverted - which happens way more often nowadays.
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I usually drop an anime, if it has a flat-chested tsundere voiced by Kugimiya Rie :) I also lost my patience with the endless shounen series. Finally, I get pretty pissed with series with pointless bloodshed and brutallity.
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Technically...yes.
Although, I don't know any man who would be offended by being accused of being a good handyman. In fact, it's the opposite - most men take it as a compliment.

Speaking of sexism, although there is no denying there is a lot of sexism against women in anime, there is also a lot of sexism against men. How often do you see male characters getting the shit beat out of them over the tiniest "transgression" such as seeing a girl naked by accident or not being a mind reader and not realizing that a girl likes him. There are also plenty of shows where men are portrayed as stupider than women or where all the men are perverts who can't keep it in their pants - again overblown stereotypes.



I agree, and this bothers me as well.... Since most ecchi anime are made by males, why do they have this happen so often? It seems really odd?
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Beedlebud said:

I agree, and this bothers me as well.... Since most ecchi anime are made by males, why do they have this happen so often? It seems really odd?

It's because most male otaku are screwy in the head. They like to think that even if a girl will beat the shit out of them or treat them like shit that she will still love him. It's all part of the tsundere characterization. It's honestly pretty pathetic.
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Ecchi anime - Like really ecchi aka Seikon no Qwaser -.-
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Childish anime

in Hentai I think it would be Netorare - I hate that genre but sometimes I watch it without realizing :P
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FatherAnderson said:
Beedlebud said:

I agree, and this bothers me as well.... Since most ecchi anime are made by males, why do they have this happen so often? It seems really odd?

It's because most male otaku are screwy in the head. They like to think that even if a girl will beat the shit out of them or treat them like shit that she will still love him. It's all part of the tsundere characterization. It's honestly pretty pathetic.


Perfect answer.
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I will watch practically anything because I'm "open-minded", herp derp.

I draw the line when an anime becomes stupidly a Cliché/Tsundere-Loli Ecchi/ OverDone/ Holes-In Plot/ No Story/ Fanservice circle-jerk piece of shit.

For example; I drew the line halfway through Shakugan no Shana episode 1.
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Beedlebud said:
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Interesting....can you point out where exactly you've seen this? Because I own the first four volumes of the manga and I don't recall any of that.


Sexism is scattered throughout the manga, especially with regard to the potential of female Go players (reflecting the perceived inferiority of women in the real Go world). Girls are always portrayed as inferior players. The protagonist repeatedly comments on how hopeless it is to try and teach the girls serious Go; more importantly, apart from a single (still weak) exception, the few female pro Go players that appear are timid, weak and always lose their matches.


Let me correct one thing: I still claim that HnG is more sexist than Bakuman with its implications about the natural intellectual inferiority of women, but it is true that Bakuman is more blatantly sexist than HnG.

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Beedlebud said:

I agree, and this bothers me as well.... Since most ecchi anime are made by males, why do they have this happen so often? It seems really odd?

It's because most male otaku are screwy in the head. They like to think that even if a girl will beat the shit out of them or treat them like shit that she will still love him. It's all part of the tsundere characterization. It's honestly pretty pathetic.


Perfect answer.


I also approve of FatherAnderson's reply.
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i can't watch horror anime because i get too freaked out...aside from that i don't really like a lot of fanservice (yet for some reason i like nisemonogatari, aside from the toothbrushing scene...) or ecchi stuff.

i also wouldn't watch something with animation i dislike or a plot/characters i'm not interested in, but that can vary... :>


Yea I didn't like that toothbrush scene in nisemonogatari but i'm still watching it
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I like how this thread turned into a porn / hentai thread.


Since the original question is primarily with regards to morality and comfort levels, porn and hentai are inevitable places for many people to venture.

As for me, I don't really have a first-time watch threshold (other than perceived quality, word of mouth, and the like). In fact, I have to admit to being guilty of watching some crappy hentai purely for shock value.

I do have limits on what I am willing to re-watch, however. Scat is generally a deal-breaker, as are extreme penile/vaginal torture or mutilation. Oddly enough, rape or murder alone don't particularly phase me, but snuff (rape and murder) ala Bondage Games does bother me a little. My comfort levels have definitely changed over the years, however. I used to find futanari disgusting, and now futa x female scenes get me off more quickly than straight or gay porn.

Edit: vvHardcore blood-sibling incest is another one that I forgot, and pedophilia (particularly of the squicky "she's too tight" variety) is a deal-breaking no-brainer.
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If it's earth-shatteringly boring, then I'll quit. Same thing with overly dark stuff.
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Blood related incest is a sorta line for me, they're two exceptions, one is oreimo because kirino is just too cute to pass up and certain hentai because i fapped to things worst than incest.
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AddictofAnime said:
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i can't watch horror anime because i get too freaked out...aside from that i don't really like a lot of fanservice (yet for some reason i like nisemonogatari, aside from the toothbrushing scene...) or ecchi stuff.

i also wouldn't watch something with animation i dislike or a plot/characters i'm not interested in, but that can vary... :>


Yea I didn't like that toothbrush scene in nisemonogatari but i'm still watching it

What? I loove that scene haha
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Anything that involves any sort of porn.
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Blood related incest is a sorta line for me, they're two exceptions, one is oreimo because kirino is just too cute to pass up and certain hentai because i fapped to things worst than incest.

necrophilia?

Can't watch anything with yaoi. Just not for me.
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Basically what the topic title says.


At what point would you stop watching a series or refuse to watch a series based on certain elements that not only question your morals, but also just flat out make you feel uncomfortable?

For me, it would be extreme, extreme violence, such as guts spilling out, limbs being chopped off, organs being ripped out, etc. I would also not watch anything that shows someone deriving sexual pleasure from extreme mutilation and abuse, such as guro or ryona (girl getting beat up). I'm also not a fan of parent-child incest.

I'm all for open-mindedness and creativity, and I'm certainly not against people who create/enjoy anime with those above themes, but I personally just cannot sit through them. I kind of envy people who can, though, you must either have a very high tolerance for graphic themes or are just kind of morally ambiguous. (In a good way?) :D


So...where would you draw the line?


I'm with you on all of those, although if the violence is done tastefully I can handle it. I also can't stand glorified mutilation of small children (Elfin Lied, Higurashi). I mean, kids are allowed to die, but when you act like it's justified or cool or something... I dunno, I'm not sure how anyone can think that's okay. That should get the same sort of treatment as pedophilia, to me.

Which reminds me- Lolicon. And no I'm not referring to hentai as I don't watch it.
Like... Cardcaptor Sakura. I LOVE this series, don't get me wrong, but... Is it just me, or do the Japanese glorify this sort of thing a little more than they should? Same goes for sibling incest.

I'm not a huge fan of Yaoi, but if it's a small part of a show like between two side characters, that's fine. I just think it's usually poorly done.

I also have very little tollerance for ridiculous amounts of panty shots and things that are super unnecessarily ecchi. I don't mind nudity at all, just... Too much ecchi gets really annoying.

I also won't watch subbed shows where all of the humor has to be explained to me on the top of the screen, like fansubs do. I AM American, this is my culture, so I'm not going to be able to enjoy a lot of purely Japanese humor. I'm not saying that humor is a bad thing, I'm just saying it takes away from a show for me personally if I can't understand the humor without it being explained.

I am generally not a harem fan either.
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I'm with you on all of those, although if the violence is done tastefully I can handle it. I also can't stand glorified mutilation of small children (Elfin Lied, Higurashi). I mean, kids are allowed to die, but when you act like it's justified or cool or something... I dunno, I'm not sure how anyone can think that's okay. That should get the same sort of treatment as pedophilia, to me.


When named characters die in stories isn't always justified by either the good guys or bad guys for some reason? Plus when characters in stories make the ultimate sacrifice it makes glorifies it too. Personally I am tired of Western games and shows that act like children are sacred cows that should never come to harm. Having access to a form of media that isn't so tight-assed has been a relief for me.

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Hentai and ecchi are generally no go for me. I say that but I am watching one ecchi right now lol.

My views on that type of stuff seem to change to more open, when I first started to watch anime I was pretty close minded to alot of the types, Like super violent.
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