Shakugan no Shana III (Final) Episode 12 Discussion

elior1 said:
and wow that some huge snake

prismheart said:
I keep wanting to call Sabrac, Edge (the ninja from FFIV). I'm actually looking forward to the next episode even though my favorite character is gone.

jjredster said:
Indeed, i take it that's sairei's real body?

Shanablaze said:

You guys take trolling way to serious, clam your tits.

1. You do not know what trolling really is by your statement.

2. I don't need to specify that you said "I hate episodes with talking in it" shows again how low of intelligence you lack.

3. I can obvious know about you bitching about the past episodes, but once it came to action your all over J.C staff.

Have a nice day.

newnar said:

Shana's speech at the end made completely no sense.

Look, she's saying that

1. She used to deny that she loves Yuji, thus the dual personality
2. Now she declares that she loves Yuji.
3. She says that she will challenge and defeat Yuji wielding the strongest unrestricted spell, which is her love for Yuji?
4. After she defeats Yuji, she wont' kill him but make him do as she says?
5. Then she'll decide what to do with Yuji's power according to the interests of the Flame Hazes?

game8910 said:


The first point actually goes like this:

1. The dual personality was her inner conflict of knowing she had to fight Yuji because she was a flame haze, and not wanting to fight him because she loved him as Shana.

Every else she says is correct, however what Shana meant to say was that the love she has for Yuji has finally made her realize what her path is.
- Yuji set out to change the world and its laws for the sake of protecting and being together with Shana, that is the path Yuji chose using his love.
- Shana set out to protect the current status quo and subdue him, find a way on how to properly use his power in a way that the world's balance will not be broken, and fullfil her role as the Flame Haze she is in order to protect and be together with Yuji, that is the path Shana chose using her love.

Remember that at this point we know Yuji wants to change everything but neither Shana nor any flame haze know HOW Yuji plans to change the world. For any flame haze whose role is to protect the status quo such uncertainty only trigger red flags in their heads and is something that could potentially break everything.

newnar said:

Correct. So what Shana actually woke up to was her mission as a Flame Haze and not her love for Yuji since she places way more priority on the former. What a letdown.

newnar said:


Correct. So what Shana actually woke up to was her mission as a Flame Haze and not her love for Yuji since she places way more priority on the former. What a letdown.

InfiniteDestiny said:


That's what i got out of it also... putting the idealism aside it seems like right after she said she loved him she made it seem like her duty was more important. I understand the concept of the "two" and how she had to come to terms with her own feelings; but the end speech felt a bit off; i think the SoF put it best that her words were nothing more than child fantasies because if i understood correctly she wants to defeat him to keep things the way they are.... last time i checked things weren't all that great with the never ending war and such. As much as I'm glad she finally said it ( well so he could hear anyway; since she technically did in season 1 as well) i felt disappointed in the fact that it seems like she is nothing more than a tool who is actually proud of being a tool... she even said it herself when he said so you stand in front of me as a Flame Haze a mere tool to which she quickly said yes... Well w/e it was an awesome episode and i look forward to the fight next episode, i still can't find myself rooting for the Flame Haze's though whether its Shana or the 3 vs Sabrac; perhaps because i just seriously don't like that nun so she gives off a bad impression for Flame Haze's in general.

game8910 said:


I dont think saying she puts priority one or the otheris right. So what happens if Shana puts "priority" on her love? She just lets Yuji go and potentially destroy everything? In that case she would be betraying her own self as a Flame Haze. If anything what Shana mentions at the end is that she finally found the balance between her self that loves Yuji and her self that must fulfill her flame haze duties.

Even if she loves Yuji, in Shana's eyes for Yuji's sake stopping him is what is best for him. Because she loves him.

Riptos said:
I'm trying really hard to enjoy this and I will admit this was better than most so far but the end felt quite forced if you ask me.

I'm glad Sabrac hasnt went down as easily as every other Tomogara so far...it would have been infuriating had that been the case.

I hope Yuji puts the Flame Hazes down in the next few episodes...with the amount of time it has taken him to get his true power It would be disappointing if Shana can still beat him or even hold her own against him being serious.

Shanablaze said:


Just shows that your a kid that only wants action and hates it when there is only talking and explanation.

newnar said:
I dunno about you guys but I got really confused and disappointed at this episode.

Shana's speech at the end made completely no sense.

Look, she's saying that

1. She used to deny that she loves Yuji, thus the dual personality
2. Now she declares that she loves Yuji.
3. She says that she will challenge and defeat Yuji wielding the strongest unrestricted spell, which is her love for Yuji?
4. After she defeats Yuji, she wont' kill him but make him do as she says?
5. Then she'll decide what to do with Yuji's power according to the interests of the Flame Hazes?

Issit just me or does love mean a different thing in this anime? She seems to show more concern over the Flame Hazes than Yuji. Love means you place a high priority on someone, and you would do anything to protect them, not strip them of their freedom and seal their abilities away. Shana seems to want to do so to appease the other Flame Hazes. How is that supposed to be love?

To further push my point, imagine if she didn't love Yuji. Imagine if Yuji is just another King of Guze, Shana would have been doing the exact same thing. But because Hebi is also a God of Guze like Alastor, she would've similarly not destroy him but seal him off somewhere (same as what the ancient Flame Hazes did). Which is no different from how she is treating Yuji even if she does love him openly. Something's not right here.

If you say that Shana is just trying to kill the Hebi inside Yuji, what's the reason for that? To protect Yuji? But Hebi is in no way dangerous to Yuji at all, in fact it makes him stronger than ever. The only people endangered by the Hebi-possessed Yuji isn't Yuji himself(obviously since he agreed to the possession himself), but the other Flame Hazes in the world.

That's why I think her central idea is actually her last sentence.
"That is who I am as a Flame Haze!"
And not
"I love you"

I dunno about you guys but I got really confused and disappointed at this episode.

newnar said:


Correct. So what Shana actually woke up to was her mission as a Flame Haze and not her love for Yuji since she places way more priority on the former. What a letdown.

Shanablaze said:


You guys are very ignorant, you don't understand anything. stupid Americans.

Dark_Pride said:


1) Shana's conflict comes from the fact that she have to choose between killing Yuuji (her duty as a Flame Haze), and not killing Yuuji (as Shana who loves Yuuji). Then, Sophie Sawallisch remind her that she is not just Flame Haze and not just Shana, she is both.
2) Yuuji told Shana the he is planning to recreate the world because Yuuji loves Shana. It is dangerous since it is said in the episode that the God of Creation can change the world on its whim. Its existence would make a big impact on the balance.
3) Shana's decision is to stop Yuuji from doing his plan and to find an ALTERNATIVE WAY so that they could be together (what she aims as Shana) and that the balance would not be destroyed (what she aims as a Flame Haze). She is aiming to find a compromise between the two
4) Yuuji mocked it because he believes that Shana's resolve is too idealistic. Maybe he believed that it is impossible to find a compromise between the two choices.

Shanablaze said:




You guys are very ignorant, you don't understand anything. stupid Americans.

chrono564 said:


Boy, i'm not american nor stupid, just sick of the whole concept of love is the most powerfull thing ever or friendship etc and after you see the 5000000000th show doing it makes you want to punch someone

Leon-Gun said:
There's plenty of depressing anime too. But action shounen will ussually slip this in, since it's one of the most common universally accepted concepts. "Love is good and powerful", that's one of the things humanity likes to believe in, as corny as we know it sounds. That's just how we are.

Leon-Gun said:
The fact of the matter is that Shana is still unsure Yuuji is not being tricked by the God of Creation. As such she can't trust him. Or rather, she can't trust the God of Creation. She loves and trusts Yuuji enough to want to save him. She will defeat Yuuji and instead of killing him, as she was ordered to, she will subdue him and make the God of Creation give him back his body (if he's the one in control).

It's funny because I'm pretty sure Sophie actually meant "forget about him, you're just a Flame Haze" but Shana took it as "you're not just a Flame Haze". And they fear the God of Creation but Alastor is the God of Destruction and every bit as powerful as the Snake. A little bit hypocritical that they let Alastor run free when he has the power of absolute destruction. Sounds to me like a more dangerous guy.