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Jan 29, 2015 8:52 AM

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Lol watch birth and marriage rates fall even more.


Wrong country.

This can't be enforced well at all, a massive fail by the UK as usual.


Not what I meant, its just in a number of countries being male, more so white male, is a horrible crime. If your women can threaten you with prison unless you have a video recorder to go "SEE! SHE SAID YES!" Then that delievers another kick to the balls of society.
Jan 29, 2015 4:36 PM

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meanwhile, startling growth in the sex doll industry ?

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Jan 29, 2015 4:45 PM

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Involtus said:
meanwhile, startling growth in the sex doll industry ?
Nah, porn. Why do you thinkn Microsoft came out with their holo lens and there's the occulus rift.
Jan 29, 2015 4:48 PM

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what happened to innocent until proven guilty
an egomaniac and a fool

Jan 29, 2015 4:51 PM

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lol sucks to be british
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Do it with your wife, everything she owns is partially yours so you get half sentence for sex.
Jan 29, 2015 5:07 PM

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If feminists have their way soon simply looking at a woman or saying hello could get you charged with rape.
Jan 29, 2015 5:10 PM

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this is indeed pretty sexist toward men and very very unfair, why does it have to be only "women"? what about men's approval?? heh men cant be raped too? .. What the hell
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Jan 29, 2015 5:26 PM

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The feminist revolution begins.

Next will be documented proof that a woman gave you permission to even glance at her, or it's sexual harassment.
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Jan 29, 2015 5:28 PM

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RedRoseFring said:
The feminist revolution begins.

Next will be documented proof that a woman gave you permission to even glance at her, or it's sexual harassment.

Sadly enough, lol, I could see this happening.
Jan 29, 2015 5:41 PM

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RedRoseFring said:
The feminist revolution begins.

Next will be documented proof that a woman gave you permission to even glance at her, or it's sexual harassment.
Don't forget a license to have a penis. You have to go through education and take a test and everything.
Jan 29, 2015 5:49 PM

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IntroverTurtle said:
RedRoseFring said:
The feminist revolution begins.

Next will be documented proof that a woman gave you permission to even glance at her, or it's sexual harassment.
Don't forget a license to have a penis. You have to go through education and take a test and everything.


Also a 12 year course requirement to even fall in love or have a crush on a female.


Jan 29, 2015 5:51 PM

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BarryManilow said:
you should avoid sex with unstable vindictive nutjobs.

So, women?
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Jan 29, 2015 5:57 PM

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Consider me officially spooked.
Jan 29, 2015 6:02 PM

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Too much attention is given to rape perpetrators.

We should be focusing on providing services to the victim. Rape is a difficult crime to prove either way. It's simply not realistic to nab every rapist, or prove that an accusation is false. The only thing separating rape from sex, is a state of mind. If you were legitimately raped but have no way to prove it, help should still be given to you. And you should be encouraged to take action in order to prevent yourself from coming into contact with your rapist ever again - restraining orders and the like.

Legit or not, the focus should be on what to do for the victim, not to clap our hands at the prospect of a public lynching.

People are just filled with too much hate.

Anyway, it sure is great being bi. I don't have to deal with this shit~
Jan 29, 2015 6:08 PM

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I don't understand why it couldn't work the other way around as well. It's not like men are the only ones capable of raping.

gg no re uk
Jan 29, 2015 6:09 PM

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lmao

dumbest thing I've read all week
Jan 29, 2015 6:10 PM

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Consequent said:
I don't understand why it couldn't work the other way around as well. It's not like men are the only ones capable of raping.

Because apparently in the 21st century only women's problems matter. Equality at its finest.
Jan 29, 2015 6:11 PM

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Consequent said:
I don't understand why it couldn't work the other way around as well. It's not like men are the only ones capable of raping.

gg no re uk


thats the point... its like saying all men can rape while women are all weak and fragile creatures..

:| *facepalms* ...women can rape!!

there should be the opposite too! women must get a YES from men just like women.
femanazi's are winning..
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Jan 29, 2015 6:15 PM

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Well that stinks. Especially since that law clearly means that you are "Guilty until proven innocent" . . . Who knows, maybe the almost forced abstinence will lead to good things, like lower teen pregnancies and a decline in the spread of STD's. Gotta look at the positives.
Jan 29, 2015 6:18 PM

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Pirating_Ninja said:
Well that stinks. Especially since that law clearly means that you are "Guilty until proven innocent" . . . Who knows, maybe the almost forced abstinence will lead to good things, like lower teen pregnancies and a decline in the spread of STD's. Gotta look at the positives.


Damn, the first thing we think of are negatives, but you could be right. maybe that would lower the problems people are facing... Hmmmm... you badass wise man/woman.. XD
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Jan 29, 2015 6:19 PM

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Oh, nice, California took over the UK.

No, nevermind, UK was always shit.




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Jan 29, 2015 6:28 PM

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satanswife said:

femanazi's are winning..
They need to be arrested for their crimes against humanity. They only hurt womans causes and hurt men along the way too. They are anti male and anti female, just against everyone not in their shit cult.
Jan 29, 2015 7:32 PM

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*victim complex intensifies*
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Jan 29, 2015 8:04 PM
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traed said:
They need to be arrested


They need to be ignored.
Jan 29, 2015 8:07 PM
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I thought the news came from Sweden for a sec. Guess the UK is following suit with the with the feminist insanity....

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There's a simple name for this, what was it again? ... Ah yes, guilty until proven innocent.

Feminist lawyers disagree.
Jan 29, 2015 8:09 PM
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Also, if you are black, any form of sex is automatically rape.

Even autoeroticisim.
Jan 29, 2015 8:56 PM

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BatoKusanagi said:

Feminist lawyers disagree.


At least we don't have Israeli/Swedish tier feminism yet.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape?fb_action_ids=1563368670569771&fb_action_types=og.shares
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hentai_proxy said:

They need to be ignored.
Ignoring a problem doesnt make it go away
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Pxi2 said:
BatoKusanagi said:

Feminist lawyers disagree.


At least we don't have Israeli/Swedish tier feminism yet.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape?fb_action_ids=1563368670569771&fb_action_types=og.shares

"...decided to postpone a vote on second and third reading of a bill to add the crime of rape by a woman to the statute book after women’s organizations warned that it would lead to a situation where women would be afraid to charge men with rape."

This makes zero sense.
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traed said:
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They need to be ignored.
Ignoring a problem doesnt make it go away


It is a problem because policy-makers do not ignore it, although it does not have legal standing. Motions with no legal standing must be ignored, otherwise they get political power from the very exposure.

Consider the vast number of conspiracy theories, unfounded claims, illegal motions in courts. If the legal and political systems did not ignore them, they would collapse that same day.
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Jan 29, 2015 10:04 PM

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fuck, what a stupid law, a women could just randomly accuse a man of rape and since he doesn't have proof of her saying yes who gives a fuck right?


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Jan 29, 2015 10:10 PM

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Fuchsia_ said:
fuck, what a stupid law, a women could just randomly accuse a man of rape and since he doesn't have proof of her saying yes who gives a fuck right?


A woman would never lie about rape silly. :p
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Fuchsia_ said:
fuck, what a stupid law, a women could just randomly accuse a man of rape and since he doesn't have proof of her saying yes who gives a fuck right?


A woman would never lie about rape silly. :p
because all women are innocent and pure, and only men lie.


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Jan 29, 2015 10:37 PM

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This is the dumbest shit of all time. I wanna sue the shit out of their government and I don't live there.
Jan 30, 2015 3:53 AM
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Good thing I don't live in that ccountry
Jan 30, 2015 4:15 AM

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The beginning of the end has begun.
Jan 30, 2015 4:21 AM

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EVAMAAKU14 said:
The beginning of the end has begun.


When we bow down to the feminazi.
Jan 30, 2015 4:59 AM

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PoeticJustice said:
This is the dumbest shit of all time. I wanna sue the shit out of their government and I don't live there.


Yes it does for those of us living there it makes anyone who isn't confident with women in the first place even worse. Now 50% of guys are not going to even try to get sex because its just not worth the risk and the rest of us that are ok talking with women will spend most of our time wondering if we are going to jail everytime we have sex.

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you should avoid sex with unstable vindictive nutjobs.

So, women?


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Are you sure the daily telegraph isn't just making up bs? It's almost impossible that the courts are forcing the accused part to prove anything, the burden of proof lies with the one making a positive claim, AKA the one accusing the other part of a crime.

I'll freely admit there's a lot of rape myths and there's people who think it's not rape just because the victim was asleep or too drunk too consent. If someone doesn't say no, that doesn't mean yes.
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Blackout0219 said:
Are you sure the daily telegraph isn't just making up bs?


This aint no opinion piece this time asking for better measures, this is just informing us that they are now implementing these changes:

"Police and prosecutors must now put a greater onus on rape suspects to demonstrate how the complainant had consented “with full capacity and freedom to do so”.

Campaigners described the move as “a huge step forward” in ensuring fewer rapists escape justice."
Jan 30, 2015 5:11 AM
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After reading this I'm not sure if the burden of proof is 100% on the perpetrator, it just seems to say that you have to prove she said yes, but if you don't it doesn't mean you are guilty.

There's a lot of problems with victim blaming. The majority of rapes are not even reported, the majority of victims think they'll never be believed. False rape accusations are as serious as false accusations for other crimes. It's not a tremendous problem. The way we blame rape victims by talking about their skirts or how much they drink is a much bigger problem.

On the other hand, it says it only applies to DATE RAPE - It's not for every single kind of rape that exists.. I think the daily telegraph is BS, it's impossible that the burden of proof in the UK has been shifted. I think what this law probably means is that the perpetrator or accused must prove that the victim consented when she was tied up, drank too much, was asleep, unconscious; there's situations the victim feels scared and starts feeling apathy and doesn't say no, but body signs show a clear "no"
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Spooks_McBones said:
Blackout0219 said:
Are you sure the daily telegraph isn't just making up bs?


This aint no opinion piece this time asking for better measures, this is just informing us that they are now implementing these changes:

"Police and prosecutors must now put a greater onus on rape suspects to demonstrate how the complainant had consented “with full capacity and freedom to do so”.

Campaigners described the move as “a huge step forward” in ensuring fewer rapists escape justice."

This just says there's a higher onus on the accused, you have to prove she did consent because in a lot of rape cases the rapist thinks it's not rape because she didn't specifically say "no" out of fear. It's for the cases when she's drunk, or when she is asleep and can't consent, etc. In case you don't know, there's a LOT of rapists who use the excuse of "she was drunk" or "she seduced me" or "she didn't orally say no" and get away with it. You have to think for both sides

I think I'm gonna research this because it seems impossible that the entire burden of proof is on the accused
Jan 30, 2015 5:19 AM

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Regardless it will reflect badly on any accused if they can't produce the evidence and how exactly are all men who might be accused supposed to get verbal consent with witnesses so you can actually prove it (might as well have them prove they had a bowl movement that morning) and this also means now that all men are going to have to make sure they seek verbal consent with clear meaning and someway be able to save that as evidence in case the girl does turn around the next day and claim rape or you took advantage of her when she was too drunk. To her too drunk could basically mean she had beer goggles on and finds you unattractive in the morning.

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I think what this law probably means is that the perpetrator or accused must prove that the victim consented when she was tied up, drank too much, was asleep, unconscious; there's situations the victim feels scared and starts feeling apathy and doesn't say no, but body signs show a clear "no"


How, how are they expected to produce that proof???
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Spooks_McBones said:
Regardless it will reflect badly on any accused if they can't produce the evidence and how exactly are all men who might be accused supposed to get verbal consent with witnesses so you can actually prove it (might as well have them prove they had a bowl movement that morning) and this also means now that all men are going to have to make sure they seek verbal consent with clear meaning and someway be able to save that as evidence in case the girl does turn around the next day and claim rape or you took advantage of her when she was too drunk. To her too drunk could basically mean she had beer goggles on and finds you unattractive in the morning.

Yeah it's because of that that I find this unlikely. It's impossible to get that proof with witnesses and records. I'm sure the daily telegraph is interpreting the rule the wrong way because it's impossible.

As for too drunk, that is not a lie however it's unlikely, most rape cases of drunk happen when you deliberately take advantage of her and she can't say no because she doesn't know what's happening. If you were raped while drunk you need to test your alcohol and prove you had alcohol to incapacitate you.

I don't know how they will produce proof that's why I think it's impossible for this law to be like the daily telegraph says, the DT sends a lot of bullshit once in a while so be really careful when you post news. Let's wait to see what other sources say
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I'm sure the daily telegraph is interpreting the rule the wrong way because it's impossible.
California disagrees.
As for too drunk, that is not a lie however it's unlikely, most rape cases of drunk happen when you deliberately take advantage of her and she can't say no because she doesn't know what's happening. If you were raped while drunk you need to test your alcohol and prove you had alcohol to incapacitate you.
Most drunk cases are people just regretting after saying yes.




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sigh, even though I strongly disagree with the whole idea, because um... Its unfair? not all men are natural rapists and the whole idea is stupid.. Who would even agree with that law?


anyway that law could be because there may be a lot of rape happening there or something? and doing that (maybe temporarily?) to make the high rape rates go down?? hell I dont know.. the whole thing is.. very very stupid.

Sigh, femanazi's shaming women :(
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Please sign this consent form before I shove my dick in there must be the biggest turn of ever.
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JonyJC said:
Please sign this consent form before I shove my dick in there must be the biggest turn of ever.


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