Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 101 Discussion

ValeBreck said:
Bloodly episode, the results of the time-slot change?
Also Ikalgo is a bro

fearthebeard85 said:


Well I mean to put it into perspective...

The power difference in Killua's favor to the Ortho Siblings is probably to a similar level to that of Gon and Genthru and yet Gon was able to win that fight. To be fair, I can't honestly gauge those power gaps to be exactly precise because they could be greater in Gon-Genthru's case or vice versa, but you see what I'm getting at.

The Ortho Siblings almost being able to best Killua even though they were heavily outclassed in raw aura and strength was because of the situation and their strategy. The same can be said about Gon's victory over Genthru. Had the Ortho Siblings not let down their guard and finished Killua off, the same could've been said there.

So basically I'm just further reiterating what everyone already knows, but this is exactly why Nen is such a great power concept. Obviously there will still be your typical overpowered abilities, but depending on your application of your ability, strategy and the situation anyone can beat anyone. Morel wasn't bullshitting when he told Killua that.

destonyDbaby said:


with some powers I have been trying figure out how the hell people will be able to beat that. emperor time is such a power, I don't know how the phantom troupe's will be able take him out.(healing,chain jail and arbiters rule) or feitans pain packer ( come on now, a sun miniature sun right in your face). my only suggestion kill them before they can use their powers, but i doubt that

Django_Freeman said:

Emperor Time is a dangerous ability, but definitely not impossible to beat. Even when using Emperor Time, Kurapika is still far below the Troupe in terms of physical abilities, Nen mastery, experience, etc. Chain Jail is the only ability that could be dangerous to the Troupe (without that, Kurapika would have never beaten Uvogin) and now that the Troupe knows how it works, there is no way Kurapika will ever be able to defeat any of them in a straight fight. He can only rely on his intelligence and careful planning to try and defeat the Troupe.
As for Feitan, well obviously there must be a way to defend against it, since Feitan could conjure some kind of armor that protected him. If Feitan can do it, then others can.

n10sity said:


The troupe knowing Kurapika's abilities is certainly disadvantageous. But to go as far as to say he has "no way" of beating "them in a straight fight" is too much in my opinion. Kurapika's Chain Jail is not so rigid that knowing its existence makes it worthless. Does knowing Hisoka's Bungee Gum abilities give his opponents that much of an advantage? Granted, knowing Kurapika has Chain Jail improves their chances but that does not guarantee that they can avoid or counter it.

Emperor Time has risks too. Surely, it has a time limit seeing how much it taxes him physically. And then of course repeated usage takes its toll on him.

As for Feitan, he has to take damage in order to use it properly. It may be a condition that he has to take damage before he can activate it at all. Taking damage is within itself dangerous. That's its weakness. If you can wear him down without injuring him, then you could finish him off without Feitan ever activating Pain Packer. I suppose there is a chance even self-inflicted wounds can be used for Pain Packer, but I doubt it. And of course there is always the chance of an instakill.

Chimera Ants aside, all the most powerful abilities we've seen so far have huge risks and/or several conditions that must be met before using it. So I'm not convinced we've seen an overpowered ability yet. The only one I can think of that might be overpowered is Bonolenov's Jupiter attack.

n10sity said:


The troupe knowing Kurapika's abilities is certainly disadvantageous. But to go as far as to say he has "no way" of beating "them in a straight fight" is too much in my opinion. Kurapika's Chain Jail is not so rigid that knowing its existence makes it worthless. Does knowing Hisoka's Bungee Gum abilities give his opponents that much of an advantage? Granted, knowing Kurapika has Chain Jail improves their chances but that does not guarantee that they can avoid or counter it.

Emperor Time has risks too. Surely, it has a time limit seeing how much it taxes him physically. And then of course repeated usage takes its toll on him.

As for Feitan, he has to take damage in order to use it properly. It may be a condition that he has to take damage before he can activate it at all. Taking damage is within itself dangerous. That's its weakness. If you can wear him down without injuring him, then you could finish him off without Feitan ever activating Pain Packer. I suppose there is a chance even self-inflicted wounds can be used for Pain Packer, but I doubt it. And of course there is always the chance of an instakill.

Chimera Ants aside, all the most powerful abilities we've seen so far have huge risks and/or several conditions that must be met before using it. So I'm not convinced we've seen an overpowered ability yet. The only one I can think of that might be overpowered is Bonolenov's Jupiter attack.

Xvenger said:
Kurapika's emperor time is not hax, it simply makes him a more efficient nen fighter. I think people get confused (especially with the show) when he says that he can use all nen groups to 100%, mistaking that Kurapika is at the same nen level strength of a master enhancer like Uvogin. (Read up the wiki about it for a more in depth look since they explained this a bit differently in the manga)

I also believe that Kurapika only really used Chain Jail to capture Uvo/experiment on him. Let's not forget that he was still going toe to toe with him in terms of the fighting skill and with his healing thumb, damage dealt to him is negated. SO imo Kurapika is a capable fighter among the Troupe in a 1v1 especially when some of them aren't even combat oriented.

As for Feitan, n10sity basically pointed it out. The conditions for him to even activate his skill in the first place is 1. he must be dealt damage 2. he must be enraged by it. Yes the opponents may not know this at first but it still doesnt change the fact that he is basically stuck with non hatsu techniques until those conditions are met. Only reason why it works for Feitan is because he's already incredibly fast and skilled enough for most opponents with just using the nen basics

Last thing I wanna comment on is Bonolenov's battle ability which includes jupiter. I bet his condition is his limitation on his movements. He has to move a certain rhythm in order to use certain skills and he probably has no control on the outcome if his body was forced to move in a certain way which may be why he has to wear bandages all the time since a simple act of walking alone might accidentally throw jupiter down on someone LOL.

beaniesaige said:
But seriously,

n10sity said:
@kuity

Oh, I wasn't downplaying the importance of knowing your opponents abilities. I think that is very important. I think they have done a good job establishing how crucial it is to conceal your own nen abilities and figure out your opponents' nen abilities. I simply was attempting to point out that knowing Kurapika's ability doesn't necessarily mean any of the troupe members can beat him now.

rolffxd said:

Anyways, it felt so weird seeing gon say something like that O_o like... where did that innocent little boy go? :DD Killua on the other hand then.. well ruthless and badass as always but he saved his enemys life just because he tought he was a "cool guy"... god damnit :DD Is it just me or does it feel like gon and killua are slowly "switching the roles"??

rolffxd said:
That moment when gon tried to look fierce... XDDD
Anyways, it felt so weird seeing gon say something like that O_o like... where did that innocent little boy go? :DD Killua on the other hand then.. well ruthless and badass as always but he saved his enemys life just because he tought he was a "cool guy"... god damnit :DD Is it just me or does it feel like gon and killua are slowly "switching the roles"?? :D

And yea one more thing, like everyone else has praised here, Ikalgo seems like a cool dude B)

n10sity said:
The troupe knowing Kurapika's abilities is certainly disadvantageous. But to go as far as to say he has "no way" of beating "them in a straight fight" is too much in my opinion. Kurapika's Chain Jail is not so rigid that knowing its existence makes it worthless. Does knowing Hisoka's Bungee Gum abilities give his opponents that much of an advantage? Granted, knowing Kurapika has Chain Jail improves their chances but that does not guarantee that they can avoid or counter it.

endlessdevotion said:
Holy crap at Gon's very out-of-character scene, though it must be because of the state the Chimera ants put Kite in. And God, how I love Killua, haha.

Celianna said:


I don't understand the people who say this is out of character for Gon. It is completely true to his morally grey character. Fearthebeard85 is right, Gon has always been like this, it's just surfacing up more and more (it'll really get out of hand by the end of the arc).

Gon lives by his own moral code. Whatever you did before Gon met you, it doesn't matter to him. You could have been Hitler for all he cares, and he'll gladly befriend you. Gon doesn't care if you killed a million people, he only cares when it affects him personally. So if you hurt his friends, then it becomes personal, and nothing can stop Gon. Even if that person is someone he barely even knew (yeah, I'm saying he barely knew Kaito), he'll still rage over it and stand up for what he thinks is right. He'll also forgive a lot of things that his friends do, as long as it doesn't affect Gon personally. So if Killua killed a random passerby Gon didn't know, he wouldn't bat an eye. If Killua killed his aunt Mito, Gon would crumble and become super unpredictable.

Early examples include: the hunter exam where Killua instantaneously ripped out the prisoner's heart. Gon didn't bat an eye. Also, the part where Killua tells Gon he is an assassin and has killed many people. Gon's reaction? Full of glee and curiosity. Then there's his lust for competition when he tried to go against Hisoka, then lost, and had to pay him back in the heaven arena arc.

Gon also bore no ill feelings towards the phantom troupe until he learned Kurapika was involved. Same thing with the convicts in Greed Island. Gon learned they had raped and murdered many people, but again, he didn't care. He even liked Razor because Razor didn't do anything to Gon (or his friends) personally. It also showed a glimpse of Gon's thirst for power; he abused Killua's hands to show off and win, without caring if Killua was in pain or not.

The first most prominent example of Gon's thirst for bloodlust and not-so-morally-right character, was when he was battling Genthru. Instead of sticking with the plan that everyone came up with, through his own arrogance, Gon had to prove his own power to Genthru, to you know, 'show him'. This lost him his voice and arm.

It just simply became even more obvious in the latest arc, and trust me, it'll get even worse.

Gon is not the naive innocent boy that everyone believed he was in the beginning. He's a deconstruction of the stereotypical happy hero of the shounen genre.

To Gon, it only matters if something happens to him personally. Touch him or his friends, and you die. Everyone else is fair game. It's as simple as that. We're going to see more of this side of Gon in this arc.

destonyDbaby said:

1. when we say that power his haxxxed. we are talking about its potential. with that he can master anything

2. like you said he is skilled. i doubt that any1 can just 1 shot him. this works for feitan because its own ability only (an unique power) therefore making it haxxed

3. hunters can figure out how counter him during the fight tho they might get surprised by the attacks. not sure if it when like this but i think to be able to use jupiter, he had to do a lot of movement, with a damage body i doubt he can pull off those big moves

destonyDbaby said:

Dont you love that about gon ? :D because I do

I really hate those characters that keep saying justice and shit, for example "freezing" the main character in their pissed me off so badly that I almost dropped the show

or when goku fought frieza and wanted too give him a 2nd chance despite all he has done. I was like"dafuq is wrong with you !!"

rolffxd said:
@featherbeard85 @Celianna
Now that you mention it yea, what you folks say is surely about right.
So Celianne no offence now! But I still feel like the way how you put it, makes Gon sound like a lot "worse" person than what he actually is.
I mean I think he's just extremely simple minded when it comes to these things, but he is also really courteous and clearly does sense what is right and wrong even if it didn't directly affect him or his friends. This is probably atleast partially thanks to Mito.

It's only that he doesn't judge people by their past. (like you said!)
Personally I feel Gon just lives in the present and only cares about how someone seems to be at the very moment. So.. no matter what Razor had done in the past, when Gon meets him he seems like a nice guy to him, so he doesn't care, but when he sees that serial killer prisoner for example, he knows he doesn't mean anything good so he doesn't care even if Killua kills him.

Another example about this "Gon doesn't care if people die" thing... when he heard that they should just wait for the ants to slaughter 5 million people he didn't just pass that by a shrug.
So I'm 100% sure Gon WOULD care if Killua just killed some random passerby, I mean, just no, he doesn't wish any harm to innocent people, nor wants to hurt anyone's feelings. (he actually doesn't even like to kill his own ENEMIES, unless it's necessary)

And about that troupe thing, didn't he get infuriated about them when he learnt that they weren't just a "heartless killing machines" but actually got some feelings towards other people when he saw Nobunaga mourning about Uvo? I can't remember that having anything to do with Kurapika? :P (could be I just remember wrong)

So yea in short, he just has his very own way of thinking (again, like you said) but he's by no means a bad person (not that I thought you were exactly implying that) even if he judges people in his own way, as I think his own "moral code" really isn't all that bad. :P
I think featherbeard descripted him pretty well, and celianna for sure made me realize more about his true nature even tho I don't complitely agree with what you said (:

But I guess this one thing we can all agree is that he has for sure turned out to be a lot different and more interesting character than people used to think at the first sight. (: And I'm really looking forward to see things spin out of control later on, as been hinted :3

And by the way, I don't wish to be struck arguing about this with anyone, as it's pretty painful for me to try make my points clear when I have so many things floating in my mind and cos my english skills ain't that good either.

rolffxd said:
@featherbeard85 @Celianna
Now that you mention it yea, what you folks say is surely about right.
So Celianne no offence now! But I still feel like the way how you put it, makes Gon sound like a lot "worse" person than what he actually is.
I mean I think he's just extremely simple minded when it comes to these things, but he is also really courteous and clearly does sense what is right and wrong even if it didn't directly affect him or his friends. This is probably atleast partially thanks to Mito.

It's only that he doesn't judge people by their past. (like you said!)
Personally I feel Gon just lives in the present and only cares about how someone seems to be at the very moment. So.. no matter what Razor had done in the past, when Gon meets him he seems like a nice guy to him, so he doesn't care, but when he sees that serial killer prisoner for example, he knows he doesn't mean anything good so he doesn't care even if Killua kills him.

Another example about this "Gon doesn't care if people die" thing... when he heard that they should just wait for the ants to slaughter 5 million people he didn't just pass that by a shrug.
So I'm 100% sure Gon WOULD care if Killua just killed some random passerby, I mean, just no, he doesn't wish any harm to innocent people, nor wants to hurt anyone's feelings. (he actually doesn't even like to kill his own ENEMIES, unless it's necessary)

And about that troupe thing, didn't he get infuriated about them when he learnt that they weren't just a "heartless killing machines" but actually got some feelings towards other people when he saw Nobunaga mourning about Uvo? I can't remember that having anything to do with Kurapika? :P (could be I just remember wrong)

So yea in short, he just has his very own way of thinking (again, like you said) but he's by no means a bad person (not that I thought you were exactly implying that) even if he judges people in his own way, as I think his own "moral code" really isn't all that bad. :P
I think featherbeard descripted him pretty well, and celianna for sure made me realize more about his true nature even tho I don't complitely agree with what you said (:

But I guess this one thing we can all agree is that he has for sure turned out to be a lot different and more interesting character than people used to think at the first sight. (: And I'm really looking forward to see things spin out of control later on, as been hinted :3

And by the way, I don't wish to be struck arguing about this with anyone, as it's pretty painful for me to try make my points clear when I have so many things floating in my mind and cos my english skills ain't that good either.