Senkou no Night Raid Episode 1 Discussion

Monad said:
You people are intolerable. The only things you can think is that their Chinese were bad(who the fuck cares, Black Lagoon had bad English and it was still awesome) like it has any importance, and the political correctness of what it shows when it's not even clear if it has intention of any kind of propaganda yet.
Instead of seeing that the characters were interesting, the action was good, the technical department was awesome, you are stack on irrelevant details that have nothing to do with an anime being good.

WoofSadaharu said:
forced laugh.. HA-HA-HA-HA

Wasabi said:
Not sure why people are so surprised at this show taking such an approach at history. Every nation spins history to their own views be it accurate or inaccurate. I mean, seriously? Not wanting to watch the show because it might "praise Imperial Japan"? I'm Chinese myself and I constantly tell people, especially my parents, to just let it go. I can understand that the things Japan did in the past were pretty damn fucked up but holding 70+ year long grudges isn't going to do shit for anyone.

ilikeyouevenmore said:
HA-HA-HA-HA

Hybrid00 said:
Accelerator and Kuroko: The Anime

guyklc said:
Japan's whitewashing of history is not something that happened 70+ years ago, it's happening RIGHT NOW as we are speaking.

Proselyt said:
absolutely

Laevantein said:
Yeah, and Mirepoc from book of bantorra also participated

guyklc said:
@political controversy stuff: When Germany makes a show that claims the Nazis were defenders of purity through ethnic cleansing, come back and tell me that all nations were screwed over in the past. When America makes a show that claims the Africans were backward people who deserved to be enslaved, come back and tell me that African Americans should not be upset at watching "Birth of a Nation". Parts of this anime is exactly doing what I'm saying above: the Japanese politicians, who "love peace so much", is promoting friendship between China and Japan in its sphere of Great East Asia Prosperity (or something like that), while it was really a plot to suppress China and ensure Japan will be the dominant country in Asia. Seriously, how is this not different from Germany making a show claiming that the Nazis had to kill Jews, gays, gypsies, etc. for "purifying" Germany? This isn't about holding a grudge, people. This is about Japan's continuous denial of history. Japan's whitewashing of history is not something that happened 70+ years ago, it's happening RIGHT NOW as we are speaking.

Mathes said:


So far this show is relevant to my interest.

seizonsha said:
It's like assuming that every last German is a Nazi or every Chinese is a Communist.

Hybrid00 said:
Accelerator and Kuroko: The Anime

francismeunier said:
Aoi is such a cool person! Yukina is gorgeous......man really wish to have seen earlier.

Alexstratz said:

Btw, I see that you live in Germany, which for me is the perfect example of a country that has truly achieved peace with its neighbors after the inhumane events of WW II. (Yeah I know, the Americans helped a bit, putting financial pressure on France and Germany after the war for them to stop acting stupid again)

That means that if one region can do it - Europe - the others not achieving the same level of peace and mutual understanding is inexcusable. Which means that Japanese whitewashing history isn't something that you can just brush off since "others do it too". The big problem concerning this whole historical issue in East/South-East Asia is that everyone, including Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Malaysians, etc... (hell Japan sure fucked up a lot of countries during the war) are all still acting like retards even though there's already a good tutorial on what to do.

ringoo4 said:
Eh.

I just get irritated for no apparent reason when anime comes up with Japan historical stuffs. I was enough raged when Zetsubou Sensei explained that saying sorry to past colonised countries of Japan is a symptom of guilty complex. This first episode wasn't bad but, I just... this anime is just time bomb for me. I don't want to risk it.

A lot of Koreans like me are sensitive to this topic. I like everything about Japan... except this.

*Dropped, then escape

Kaiserpingvin said:
Also HOLY SHIT JAPANESE PEOPLE DON'T SPEAK FLUENT MANDARIN? HOW THE FUCK DARE THEY NOT SPEAK FLUENT MANDARIN, THIS IS ABSURD

Xavierxenon said:


I don't think you understand. He didn't say "Cool story, bro", I don't know what he said as my knowledge of japanese is limited.

Commie decided to add a meme into the anime, way to fuck over their subs. I'm definately gonna wait till another group subs this before watching any further. I'm tired of all the shit from subs groups like Dattebayo, GG and whoever else. Atleast there are some decent groups out there with fast releases.

francismeunier said:
I though the mandarin was fine was there any major problems Kaiserpingvin with that part? I would like you to have it point out since I am not used to mandarin speaking....I though it was a nice touch though.

francismeunier said:
Well I though about that but I do find in terms of power/looks.....Aoi to be a cool cookie besides he risked a lot already with Yukina to save her from that bomb.

seizonsha said:

So far we have none of this level of political propaganda, we don't even know which exact political ideal the Sakurai Group follows or under whose command they act.
As long as they are not flat-out characterized to be acting under the order of the Tennô, there is far too much room for them to develop to stamp this show with 'political propaganda' now.

ericacsy said:
Hmm well even if the show portrayed Greater East Asia Co-prosperity sphere as some high sounding ideal in this episode by a JAPANESE, I don't think it's that biased, since it's reflecting the true propaganda during that period. It did depict the reality in that sense.

What would be unacceptable, is that, if the show is trying to depict how the CHINESE just loved this idea of Co Prosperity Sphere and loved the Japanese as liberators- because, that is simply false, at least for the Chinese who did not collaborate with Japanese, or the Chinese masses who were exploited by the Japanese. (again, Collaborators and resistors are not such black and white categories- there were people in history who genuinely collaborated with a colonial regime, thinking that eventually that could liberate their country)

Mammoth said:
Holy shit, Japan was so AWESOME!
Seriously, though, make me a good anime about Hitler's heroic antics and I'll drop my hate for 20 minutes a week and enjoy it. More so if you add an awesome (if completely inappropriate) soundtrack.

Monad said:
So you are dropping the show because you are Korean? Bad luck huh? If you where from Colombia you could have seen it.

guyklc said:


OK, I apologize for over-analyzing this show so far, but I think everyone here knows now that this is one of the more controversial moments in history for us East Asians who are not Japanese. Nonetheless, that is a good point.



This is a solid post. I applaud you for the best post in this thread.

Finally @francis: As a native speaker of Chinese, I can tell you I can't understand what they're saying. Sorry, but their Chinese was bad.

ericacsy said:


Thank you.

Also, I think it's important not to dismiss people's reason for disliking the anime (whether it is because for political or historic reason or the weird mandarin). Obviously a lot of people don't give a x about these factors, but I think it's important to keep in mind that people appreciate a series for a whole lot of different reasons, and your priority of reasons in selecting which anime to watch do not have to match anyone else.

guyklc said:
The Japanese speaking poor Chinese is "inaccurate" because the Chinese troops would have spotted them as Japanese RIGHT away due to their accents. Also, whether the show has propaganda or not remains to be seen, but if it does, you have no right to tell people who are sensitive to this issue to keep watching it just because the victims in history in this case were not your own people.

Monad said:


But that's exactly my point. It didn't show anything yet.

ericacsy said:
Also, I think it is necessary to give credit to this anime for showing something that's historically accurate even when it is under a fantasy context. Just because it is an anime doesn't mean that we should not take it seriously when, the producers of this episode obviously did their research and portray accurate history for its viewers.

kage-bunshin said:
it was interesting to see chinese characters actually speaking chinese