Rothion said: Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim. Here's a Forbes article that shows a sample of a survey taken from employers opinions on new hires in their 20s: http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/10/11/the-10-skills-employers-most-want-in-20-something-employees/ And an article from the AACU: http://www.aacu.org/leap/students/employers-top-ten You're welcome. You'll notice that "Will work for lowest pay" is nowhere on that list. And go figure! Communication skills are pretty important huh? |
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Rothion said: Speaking of subjective experience, my father got in a job despite demanding more salary - and getting the increase - before he even got the job. Surely a lower salary is also not the deciding factor either. To me it seems to be experience that's the huge chunk of your chances to succeed. And networking simply give you more opportunities to even be aware of companies that are hiring, and less so about securing a position. So I'd agree it's not a deciding factor either.causeez said: Not subjective since I discussed it with an employer. Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim.So in other words, you're self employed trying to make subjective remarks on working for someone else with little experience in it? Oh my. |
causeez said: Reputation has nothing to do with it though, you just want an efficent worker for the least money possible and that's the rational decision. If you decided which you would hire someone because of reasons like this "If a person looking to hire someone else had to choose between two people of equal skill/requirement, they will always choose the one they can go drinking with." then you wouldn't be doing your job as an employer properly. You assume that the guy who's social would be a great asset to the company while every decent employer would hire the guy who works for less at same efficency because you get more out of what you're paying. Rothion said: Not subjective since I discussed it with an employer. Right. I can quote wikipedia, would that do as well? Plus your "friend" doesn't seem like the type of employer that's very reputable. It seems they're concerned more about undercutting employees for financial gains, instead of hiring employees that will turn the highest profits, which would far outweigh costs of said employees, and actually lead to raises for those employees for a job well done. Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs. "Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs." Of course, but you're confusing cutting down costs with cutting down efficency in this case. |
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causeez said: You don't have to be social to have any of these abilities though, you just need basic communication skills.Rothion said: Also you're doing the same thing but without anything to back your claims up. While hiring an employee with lower salary would be better for the company if both potential employees have the same competence you insist on the more social person getting the job without any rational argument to back up your claim. Here's a Forbes article that shows a sample of a survey taken from employers opinions on new hires in their 20s: http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/10/11/the-10-skills-employers-most-want-in-20-something-employees/ And an article from the AACU: http://www.aacu.org/leap/students/employers-top-ten You're welcome. You'll notice that "Will work for lowest pay" is nowhere on that list. And go figure! Communication skills are pretty important huh? |
Wecc said: All hail HaXXspetten king of the loli traps! |
Rothion said: causeez said: Reputation has nothing to do with it though, you just want an efficent worker for the least money possible and that's the rational decision. If you decided which you would hire someone because of reasons like this "If a person looking to hire someone else had to choose between two people of equal skill/requirement, they will always choose the one they can go drinking with." then you wouldn't be doing your job as an employer properly. You assume that the guy who's social would be a great asset to the company while every decent employer would hire the guy who works for less at same efficency because you get more out of what you're paying. Right. I can quote wikipedia, would that do as well? Plus your "friend" doesn't seem like the type of employer that's very reputable. It seems they're concerned more about undercutting employees for financial gains, instead of hiring employees that will turn the highest profits, which would far outweigh costs of said employees, and actually lead to raises for those employees for a job well done. Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs. "Employers who look at "what can we cut" instead of "what can we make" are far from being great places to work for, in any sense of jobs." Of course, but you're confusing cutting down costs with cutting down efficency in this case. Are you 15 Rothian? Come back to this thread when your older. As a guy who worked for 4 years from fast food places to offices your really seeing the world as a black/white place. |
Amia said: I think the problem is that once you get a job, your boss will expect you to work with whoever he assigns for some project, and you don't get to complain and tell him you think the guy next to you is incompetent, unsociable, or smelly. It's really a skill to make things work with different kinds of people.I was actually quite disappointed when I found out that every program in University practices group works and pairings (each lecture!). Not sure if it's fair that I need to risk with my schoolarship and work with people who have almost no basic knowledge , for example, about Salvador Dalì , Freud or Oedipus complex even thought we study high-level psychology. Maybe it sounds arrogant, but, to call Salvador- some guy with a weird mustache. Really. Immahnoob said: Not necessarily so, but you won't find many situations where you're in an institution with 30 people per class, and wandering around you find hundreds more doing relatively the same thing as you. In jobs, you'll have co-workers, but depending on the job, your mobilization is usually much lower.Katsu, you're talking like it's harder to socialize outside school, I don't find it that way. xEmptiness said: How will you invest time into correct people if you don't know who is the correct person? On one hand, you develop the habit to connect with, and filter people that you might get along with. On the other hand, you are forced to connect to someone because those are the only people you know. I respect that some people think community participation isn't that important, but I wouldn't suggest that people be picky if they have nothing to be picky about. It's like picking your favorite marble out of a nearly empty bottle.I have to disagree with the people who consider mass socializing a good approach to building a viable network. Social networking is about investing time into the correct people, not blindly shotgunning the entire population. lupadim said: Most jobs don't require that you teach hundreds of students per term. If you're lucky enough to be a preacher or a door-to-door salesman, then maybe you're an exception.katsucats said: So the pool of people that teachers interact with is smaller than the pool of a student?after you get a job the pool of people they interact with on a daily basis will drastically shrink for the rest of their lives. Why can't some people give it 2 seconds of thought before posting stuff? |
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Rothion said: Social interaction is just a waste of time. It's not worth it to waste time during education. Said rarely anyone ever. If you feel that college is solely for furthering your knowledge, then you've made the gravest mistake. There's a reason why a college gathers intuitive students from around the world and creates the grounds for people to find others with common interests and goals. Social interaction is inevitable in college, whether or not you like it. To attend college and avoid social interaction is to forfeit its greatest asset. |
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Amia said: Salvador Dali. Now that was one screwed up dude. (with a mustache)I was actually quite disappointed when I found out that every program in University practices group works and pairings (each lecture!). Not sure if it's fair that I need to risk with my schoolarship and work with people who have almost no basic knowledge , for example, about Salvador Dalì , Freud or Oedipus complex even thought we study high-level psychology. Maybe it sounds arrogant, but, to call Salvador- some guy with a weird mustache. Really. Not saying it's unnecessary but risky and sometimes very tiring. Of course it also depends on your surroundings. When I was going to UMBC I spent all my time between classes in the library, reading. On the shelf by the place I always read was the book "The Shameful Life of Salvador Dali." After seeing that title day after day, one day I just seized that book and read it cover to cover. Well, let's just say it was quite a read. |
| I also go to a commuter school-- a community college at that. I joined some clubs and even the speech/debate team. No matter how small the group is, I still feel left out. I even became a cabinet member of a club (an environmental club) and it still felt really distant. I don't know what to think. I greet people and everything yet they still move into their little groups (not just in the clubs).;; Even people that are just as new as me seem to get along with others. What the heck am I doing wrong? OTL I even stepped into my college's anime club for two days and was met with some rude behavior. Like, the president invited me to stay for a little while, but I wasn't officially a member of the club. Here... Me: Eh heh, I probably shouldn't vote for the next anime. ;u; Girl: Why? Me: Well, I'm not an actual member, I'm just-- Girl: Then why are you here? >:I Me: Because I like anime and the president of the club invited me to come. Girl: Oh. -turns away- Me: ...The hell? (The girl looked like a casual, but maybe I did too that day? Thus, the hostility?) On the other hand, I'm in a theater class right now where everyone is really friendly. I talk to everyone there like it's no problem-- most of the time. None of us seem to really be friends but if we see each other, we can easily start a conversation, and this is the first time I've experienced this in college. |
| I don't, since networking with companies outside the college is what counts. |
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Swiggy said: I also go to a commuter school-- a community college at that. I joined some clubs and even the speech/debate team. No matter how small the group is, I still feel left out. I even became a cabinet member of a club (an environmental club) and it still felt really distant. I don't know what to think. I greet people and everything yet they still move into their little groups (not just in the clubs).;; Even people that are just as new as me seem to get along with others. What the heck am I doing wrong? OTL I even stepped into my college's anime club for two days and was met with some rude behavior. Like, the president invited me to stay for a little while, but I wasn't officially a member of the club. Here... Me: Eh heh, I probably shouldn't vote for the next anime. ;u; Girl: Why? Me: Well, I'm not an actual member, I'm just-- Girl: Then why are you here? >:I Me: Because I like anime and the president of the club invited me to come. Girl: Oh. -turns away- Me: ...The hell? (The girl looked like a casual, but maybe I did too that day? Thus, the hostility?) On the other hand, I'm in a theater class right now where everyone is really friendly. I talk to everyone there like it's no problem-- most of the time. None of us seem to really be friends but if we see each other, we can easily start a conversation, and this is the first time I've experienced this in college. I hate clubs that have a 'core tight knit group'. Why the hell do they advertise when they can all hang out together on the side. It's their responsibility to welcome and keep new members even if said members aren't social butterflies. As a VP of events for a culture association it is my goal to make members stay interested and part of the group I am in. If a member hangs in the corner of a event I make I have to give him the same treatment as the social butterfly himselfn |
| Social interactions in college is a very important thing. Having connections is always a good thing for it increases your chances of getting a job. If you're not putting an effort into interacting with people then you're just shooting yourself in the foot. |
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katsucats said: I think the problem is that once you get a job, your boss will expect you to work with whoever he assigns for some project, and you don't get to complain and tell him you think the guy next to you is incompetent, unsociable, or smelly. It's really a skill to make things work with different kinds of people. I have a job that deals with a lot of people(including incompetent colleagues aka assholes) and I'm managing quite well, thank you! |
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